Michael B. Jordan joins GQ as he revisits some of the most iconic characters from his career so far: from his portrayal of Adonis Creed in the Creed trilogy, to fulfilling his dream of acting in a Marvel movie as Erik Killmonger in Black Panther.“As an actor, you want to play in that world — you want to be a part of that universe at some point,” says Jordan as he recalls being cast for Black Panther. “There is change that can’t be quantified because of that movie.” Watch the full episode of GQ’s Iconic Characters as Michael B. Jordan breaks down his most iconic movie roles.
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00:00What's up GQ, it's Michael B. Jordan, and these are my iconic characters.
00:31I play Wallace on The Wire.
00:34I was maybe 15 at the time, coming off of this movie Hardball.
00:41I had auditioned for Alexa Fogel in New York, and I originally auditioned for Bodhi, and
00:47they brought me in for like two or three callbacks.
00:49They basically said, look, you're too young to play this role, this character, but they
00:53brought me back in to play, to audition for Wallace, and I ended up reading for Wallace
00:58that day, and I ended up booking the role, so that's how I got cast in The Wire.
01:08Cast members were dropping like flies from week to week.
01:11At some point, you just skim through the script just to make sure your name was still at the
01:15end of the script, like you made it through the whole episode.
01:18I remember getting a script, and I was just reading through, and I just saw that he got
01:23killed, and oh man, I was devastated.
01:26You know what I'm saying?
01:27You get the infamous knock from David Simon on your trailer door, and he rolled up in
01:31there and basically said, we love you.
01:33Everybody loves you.
01:34The audience loves you, which is why we gotta kill you.
01:37That's pretty much what he told me.
01:39At the time, that was the longest I've ever worked on a show with the same people, so
01:44it became a family.
01:46The rest of the cast were family and the crew.
01:48At 15 years old, you're like, oh man, what do I do now?
01:51What's next?
01:53I was really, really sad at that time.
01:55I think it was incredible.
01:57The Wire opened up so many doors for me.
01:59I think at the time when the show was coming on, when it was on air, it wasn't as popular.
02:05And every season, I think the first two or three seasons, it was supposed to get canceled.
02:10And then finally, I think after season three, they read up for like four and five.
02:15And then that show didn't even really get crazy recognition until I was already off
02:20the show.
02:21But when I would go audition for things, casting directors and executives and producers and
02:25things of that nature, that was one of their favorite shows.
02:27So it definitely showed me a lot of love in future projects.
02:31And yeah, it definitely paved the way for me big time.
02:34I would love to see that just remain without a reboot, without a recast, any of that stuff.
02:39Just leave it where it is.
02:41I mean, maybe I'm biased because I'm a part of it.
02:43You know what I'm saying?
02:44I don't want to see The Wire rebooted at all.
02:52Hey, you know about my karate, right?
02:56Man, you mean karate?
02:58Nah, it's karate.
03:00Learned it from my cousin.
03:01It was in Japan in the army.
03:03Lightning quick.
03:04This is a tiger.
03:06No man can defend himself from the fury of a world train.
03:09Karate.
03:10Tiger.
03:11Yeah, Jerry.
03:12A tiger.
03:13Okay.
03:14Playing Jamal in Hardball, you know, that was my first major movie.
03:19I had to travel to, you know, I lived in a different place.
03:23I was in Chicago.
03:24Brian Robbins was the director of that.
03:26And Keanu was awesome.
03:27He was a great role model.
03:28Gave a lot of advice and wisdom.
03:30I remember one time he took us all out to dinner and I guess he had just finished shooting
03:34The Matrix, but he had brought Lawrence Fishburne with him to dinner, you know, and got a chance
03:38for all of us to meet him and ask questions and talk to him, which was extremely generous
03:44and thoughtful for Keanu to even like put that together.
03:48But I remember that making a big, big, you know, impact on me when I was young.
04:00I've seen Keanu out, you know, a few times over the years.
04:05And every time he sees me, he says, Hey, what's up, Michael?
04:07You know, it's always a lot of love.
04:09He always tells me that he's proud of me, you know, and proud of the things that I've
04:12done, you know, up until this point and always encourages me to keep going and do more.
04:16And so he's one of those special guys that I'm glad I got a chance to know when I was
04:21super young.
04:22And yeah, that was just the beginning for me.
04:24You know, that kind of another one of those projects that kind of kicked me off and put
04:28me in the right direction.
04:29I mean, that's where I met one of my best friends, Stellan Brim, you know, Steelo.
04:32And he was one of the kids on the baseball team, one of the local kids that got casted
04:36as the rest of the Cucumbers.
04:38And it started off as a competition, you know what I'm saying?
04:40It was like, and we all had afros at the time.
04:42He had a crazy fro, you know what I'm saying?
04:44It was like whose hair was longer?
04:45Like everything was a competition, you know, who's the better, you know, better hooper,
04:49video games, all that stuff.
04:50So that was like one of my, you know, earlier, you know, friendships, you know what I'm saying?
04:54That kind of lasted the test of time.
04:56And, you know, we still, you know, best friends to this day.
05:06Jumping rope.
05:07Three rounds on each of the bags.
05:12When you get to the heavy bag, just don't keep throwing your hands because you can hurt them.
05:16It's also about using your legs, right?
05:19And then five rounds of shadow boxing.
05:29And that's it.
05:30Played at Donna's Creed and Creed.
05:33You know, me and Ryan, we were getting ready to start rehearsals for Fruitvale Station.
05:37We didn't even shoot a frame yet.
05:39And he pitched me the idea for Apollo Creed's son, you know, a spinoff.
05:42No hesitation.
05:43I was like, yeah, cool.
05:44Let's do it.
05:45Like, let's go.
05:46Like it was, it was that simple.
05:47I didn't, I didn't think about it much at all.
05:49And I had already had a great feeling about Coog in general, you know, because, you know,
05:55just as this process.
05:56And when we first met, it was just like, you know, brothers linking up, you know?
05:59So it was, it was, it felt, it felt right.
06:01And, you know, as a director, having somebody for the first time in my career, really like
06:06championing me through, you know, that really believed in me and believed what I could do.
06:09He was like, all right, cool.
06:10We're going to shoot Fruitvale.
06:11And then right after that, we're going to shoot Creed.
06:12And it was like, all right, let's, let's do it.
06:14So I didn't even really think about any of the other, you know, I guess baggage or things
06:18that, you know, carry on from previous movies or franchises.
06:21I looked at it as an opportunity to kind of start something new and do something different.
06:25First one was like an origin story for Donna's, you know, the second one was a continuation
06:29of that.
06:30You know, he had a lot of, you know, daddy issues.
06:32You know what I'm saying?
06:33He had a lot, a lot, a lot of issues.
06:34He was working through trying to figure out, you know, kind of who he was and what that
06:37meant in the shadow of his, of his, of his father, Apollo.
06:40And as he kind of started to have his own family, I thought it was important, you know,
06:44in the third movie and the third installment to like really singularly focus on Adonis
06:48and his family, you know, but the franchise stand on, on his two feet, you know, you know,
06:52at the time that was probably the closest character that was to myself, whether it be,
06:58you know, the, the success, the, the, the, the, all the things that come with success,
07:02you know, that childhood trauma that might be lingering, things of that nature, things
07:06he needed to work through, needed to talk through, need to face himself.
07:09So I felt like I was the only person that could kind of tell that story.
07:15Before I did it, I think I was anxious, a little nervous of how it was going to go,
07:19you know, like what was the process?
07:21Who's yelling action?
07:22Who's yelling cut?
07:23I'm in the scene, like little basic stupid stuff like that.
07:25After the first day, it felt very natural.
07:28You know, it felt, it felt like I was doing what I was supposed to be doing.
07:31And it was a lot of fun.
07:32Honestly, it was a lot of fun.
07:34You know, the fights was something that I kind of had been imagining for a long time,
07:37you know, so that was the one part of the movie that I wasn't really nervous about.
07:41I had a pretty clear vision on what I wanted to do with that and how I wanted to incorporate
07:45my love of anime into that.
07:48You know, usually in anime, when you got two characters that are like fighting to the death,
07:52inside themselves, they're having a very quiet conversation.
07:55They're having a very emotional one.
07:57And this usually takes place in like a void, you know, it's either all black or all white
08:00or just void of anything where these two characters kind of exist and they can kind
08:04of communicate.
08:05And the two characters between, you know, Adonis and Damien, they wouldn't be able to
08:08talk about their issues as characters.
08:11So they had to go to this void in order to kind of like, you know, to figure things out.
08:15And it was through, you know, through fighting.
08:18You know, our movie, Creed III, was a quadrilingual, quadrilingual film?
08:25It's, you know, you had English, Spanish, ASL, and fighting would be our fourth language,
08:32you know?
08:33So they fought, they communicated through their fists.
08:35And that's why, you know, that's why the anime element kind of came into the mix.
08:40The void exists in so many different anime.
08:43You know, when people were watching it, I wanted them to associate that to their memories
08:47and what their experiences were with the void.
08:49You know, it could be Naruto.
08:50It could have been Dragon Ball Z.
08:52It could be, you know, Jujutsu Kaisen.
08:54It could be so many different...
08:55It's in the fabric of what anime is.
08:57So if you're an anime lover, you would be like, oh, I remember that from X, Y, and Z.
09:01Jonathan had like a passion and an energy.
09:03Like when he walked on set, I think an honesty and realness that was beautiful to watch, man.
09:08He understood the dynamic between the two of them.
09:12It just commanded respect.
09:14And it also created so much tension between Adonis and Damien.
09:20But there's a vulnerability in there.
09:22It's a, you know, it was a hurt.
09:25It was a softness that he had.
09:27You still felt for him.
09:28I think the most interesting antagonists are the ones that you empathize with and you kind
09:32of understand why they are the way they are.
09:34You know, not at first, but, you know, throughout the film, you kind of get a little bit more
09:37of why they're doing what they're doing.
09:40And I felt Jonathan played that perfectly.
09:43Yeah, the fourth one, eventually.
09:45Not sure when, but we left that door open to build on that franchise.
09:48My thing is, like, I don't want to make a movie just to make it, give it a little time
09:51to breathe, make people, you know, want it, miss it a little bit.
09:55And then when the time is right, I'll drop in and do another one.
10:18America, Afghanistan, Iraq.
10:25I took life from my own brothers and sisters right here on this continent.
10:31And all this death just so I could kill you.
10:36Black Panther, I play Eric Killmonger in Jadaka.
10:39You know, it was me and Coog's third film.
10:41Always been a fan of Black Panther in the comic books.
10:44I'm a comic book nerd.
10:45So, you know, it was one of the few characters that was black, you know.
10:50As the Marvel movies were coming up and you're growing up and you're watching them, you know,
10:54as an actor, you know, you want to play in that world.
10:57You want to be a part of that universe at some point.
10:59You know, there's only a couple, a handful of characters that you would, you could imagine
11:03yourself actually playing.
11:04But they cast Chadwick first and then Coog hit me.
11:08And then we talked about Killmonger and it was like, all right, bet.
11:12Like, let's get after it.
11:13At that point, you know, the trust was already established.
11:16The relationship just kept getting stronger and stronger from project to project.
11:20I knew the conversation that he wanted to have throughout the film, what I thought was
11:23an important one, especially between, you know, the black American and, you know,
11:28the African diaspora, you know what I'm saying?
11:30And that relationship and that conversation was an important one that needed to have.
11:34Your weapons.
11:35Our weapons will not be used to wage war on the world.
11:38It is not our way to be judge, jury and executioner for people who are not our own.
11:44Not your own.
11:46But didn't life start right here on this continent?
11:48It opened up so much communication and understanding between the continent and
11:53here in the States amongst our community and people that I don't know if that movie
11:59doesn't get made.
12:00I'm not sure if that conversation is happening right now.
12:03In recent years, you have the Year of the Return, you know, in Ghana.
12:06You know, you have a, you see a lot of, much more tourism, much more visits and
12:12vacations back to Africa since that movie came out.
12:16There's change that can't be quantified, you know, because of that movie, you know,
12:20and I feel extremely privileged to be a part of it.
12:23Coming back to do Panther 2 after, you know, the tragedy of losing Chadwick was
12:30an extremely tough one.
12:32I was in like pre-production for Creed 3, so I was like, right, getting ready to go
12:37direct.
12:38At the time, I didn't even read the whole script, so I didn't know what the whole
12:41movie was about.
12:42Coog, yeah, he's your own brother.
12:44He didn't even let me read the script.
12:46You know, it was crazy.
12:47Nah, but he kept that pretty, pretty close to the vest for a lot of different reasons.
12:52So I was just as excited as everybody else, you know what I'm saying, to watch the
12:56movie at the end to kind of see what he did with the whole thing, to be perfectly
12:59honest.
13:00But it meant a lot to the cast.
13:01You know, I think the short time I was there and obviously, you know, the cast is extremely
13:05tight and we all speak, you know, it felt like we were all doing it for Chadwick.
13:09You know, we did that movie for him.
13:20Killmonger represented a side of a conversation.
13:22You know, I feel like, you know, Black Panther and Killmonger, you know, love their people
13:26and their country like more than anything.
13:28You know, they just had two different ways of going about getting it done.
13:31As a guy who never went to like acting school or, you know, never took any real, you know,
13:36lessons or, you know, anything like that, my approach to acting is always trying to
13:40make things feel as real as possible to me.
13:42And, you know, a character like, you know, Eric, who didn't really experience a lot
13:47of love throughout his life, spent a lot of it alone and always had like a mission that
13:53he wanted to kind of accomplish.
13:54You know, while I was making that movie, I kind of like played into that a bit, kind
13:58of stayed a little bit isolated to myself, didn't really allow myself to get too emotionally
14:03connected to much of anything.
14:05So coming off that, you know, I didn't have a lot of, you know, there was no playbook
14:09to like, you know, how do you get back to being, you know, more of yourself, you know?
14:13So I kind of, you know, went through that process.
14:16Therapy helped out a bunch.
14:18Being around family, you know, being of service to people that you love and care about, just
14:22being present.
14:23And that was a big lesson for me to learn at that point during my life and career.
14:27So now I know what I need personally to get out of characters if I have to.
14:32Yeah, that was an experience for me for sure.
14:41We played freeze tag today.
14:43Really?
14:44Did you win?
14:45They couldn't catch me.
14:46You think you fast, huh?
14:49You think you faster than daddy?
14:55Oh, really?
14:56What's that?
14:59I played Oscar Grant in Fruitvale Station.
15:02It was the first time that, you know, I got offered to play a leading role.
15:06I was still unsure a little bit or figuring out like what kind of like career I was going
15:10to have, what type of actor am I going to be.
15:12Is it a character actor?
15:13Am I only in ensemble movies?
15:14Like, but nah, like I want to see if I can actually carry a film.
15:17So that was the first one.
15:18It also opened up a lot of doors, a lot of doors for me.
15:21You know, that movie meant so much to so many people, you know, around the world, but specifically
15:27to the community of Oakland and his family, you know, and his friends who lost Oscar.
15:31You know, that's how I got to know Oscar was through the people that knew him the best.
15:35That was a transformative experience as well, you know, on a human level.
15:39You know, young black man at the time, you know, I think Trayvon Martin had just got
15:43killed right before I got casted in that.
15:46And I was, I remember feeling extremely frustrated and not really knowing how to express myself
15:52in a way that I felt was productive.
15:55I prayed and, you know, and wished that I could do it through my work and through and
16:00through and through my craft.
16:03And I was just coming off of Chronicle at the time.
16:06And then Coog reached out, got the script to me, and I just knew that was kind of meant
16:11to be because the way I was feeling as a person, you know, that was like my way to
16:18say what I had to say.
16:28Watch this.
16:29What are you doing?
16:30Watch?
16:31Go, go, go.
16:36What?
16:37No way!
16:38No way!
16:42Holy shit!
16:44Dude!
16:45Holy shit!
16:46Oh!
16:47Oh!
16:50What?
16:51What?
16:53Steve Montgomery for president!
16:55I play Steve Montgomery in Chronicle.
16:57You know, Josh Trank wrote and directed that.
17:00And it was an amazing experience.
17:03We shot that in South Africa.
17:04It was in Cape Town, which was my first time going to Africa, which was really cool.
17:08You know, it was kind of an origin superhero film, but grounded, you know, in a weird way.
17:15A lot of Akira, you know what I'm saying?
17:18A lot of Akira inspiration for that movie.
17:20Found footage type vibe.
17:21It was dope, man.
17:22It was super creative, you know?
17:23And I felt like that was one of the looks and feels to the movie that made it so unique
17:28and made it stand out a bit.
17:29It was because we took that approach.
17:31You know, the risks that Josh took cinematography wise, just how he photographed it and the
17:35camera moves that he chose to make.
17:37Okay, buddy.
17:38What you gonna do?
17:39I don't know.
17:40This guy's popping.
17:42What are you doing?
17:44Abracadabra!
17:46Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
17:47That was like my real first interaction with visual effects and special effects.
17:54And really understanding what green screen is and how do you paint things out and how
17:58do you, you know, how are we flying and all that.
18:01So that was my real, real education for me.
18:04It kind of started the curiosity of like, oh, that's how it's done.
18:08I'm the type of person, I see something done once or twice, you know, I can kind of, I
18:14can get a grasp of it.
18:15You know what I'm saying?
18:16That for me really showed me like, you know, the world of visual effects and things that
18:19could be done.
18:20And it just kind of opened up my imagination of what's possible, what I could do.
18:24And I'm pretty sure when I look at things now or, you know, it's because of that beginning
18:30phase of understanding.
18:34You're a Harvard lawyer who's moved to Alabama.
18:42You know, you start taking on all these capital cases.
18:45People just want to know what your intentions are, I guess.
18:48We're just trying to give legal assistance to people who can't afford it.
18:52Well, legal assistance is one thing, but trying to put convicted murderers back on the street
18:56is something else entirely.
18:57Play Bryan Stevenson, you know, the honorable, the legend.
19:01Doing God's work on Bryan Stevenson, he's an incredible person.
19:03I feel like it was a story that needed to be told, you know?
19:06I try to choose projects, you know, a balance of things.
19:12I always wanted to make sure I'm doing something to push the culture.
19:15You know, being disruptive in my own way, trying to get people to think differently
19:20and to empathize with people.
19:23You know, working with Jamie was incredible.
19:25You know, and Brie Larson, she was great.
19:27Destin was a phenomenal director.
19:28We had a great crew and cast and just the whole family, that whole team
19:33to make that movie was really, really, truly special.
19:36So that one is close to my heart also.
19:58I love you, brother.
19:59I play Smoke.
20:00Be careful.
20:01And I also play Stack.
20:02I will.
20:03Twin brothers.
20:04As a whole, you know, I work more than Coog in the sense of just like, you know,
20:08throughout the year.
20:09I could do two movies, three movies a year.
20:11Coog does one movie every two years.
20:12When he calls you and picks up the phone, you're like, hey, you got something for me?
20:16You're just like, all right, let's go.
20:17This is what we're doing.
20:18Pitched a project to me.
20:19It didn't take much convincing.
20:20He told me about the elements that he wanted to incorporate.
20:22You know, why a story meant something to him.
20:27And what he saw for me, what he saw for, you know, what kind of impact it would have
20:32on my career, you know, and where I was in my career at the moment.
20:36You know, it was a challenge.
20:37You know, it was nothing easy about making that movie.
20:39I'm all about challenges and seeing what my limits is at and like, you know, pushing
20:43the boundaries.
20:44So it was a win-win across the board.
20:46And whenever we get a chance to go link up again, you know, it's just a good time.
20:50So I wanted to, I want to be a part of it.
20:52I love Miles.
20:53Miles is a phenomenal human.
20:55Love that dude.
20:56He grew every day, you know, every scene, every opportunity, you know, he just got better
21:01and better as the movie went on.
21:02He has an incredible voice.
21:04You know, his talking voice is like, you know, it's dope.
21:06But when he sings, it's like something else, you know?
21:09And, you know, comes from a great family.
21:12His parents did an amazing job.
21:13You know, he's eager to learn.
21:16You know, asked a bunch of questions.
21:19The future is really, really bright for him.
21:21And I saw the film, what he did, his performance was amazing.
21:25Felt really lucky to be a part of his journey.
21:27So, you know, in the beginning and however I can help, you know, he knows, you know what
21:31I'm saying?
21:32You know, I'm a resource for him.
21:33He can do whatever he wants to do.
21:35You know, he's already been, you know, on tour, you know, played in front of sold out,
21:39you know, arenas before and all that good stuff.
21:41But the kid's dedication to want to be great and want to be, you know, great at whatever
21:45he puts his mind to is something that is really, you know, it's really nice to see.
21:50I feel good with him.
21:51He going to be straight.
21:54Self is strength.
22:01Don't worry, don't worry.
22:07These are for training purposes only, okay?
22:09Now, have any of you guys ever seen one of these bad things for real?
22:14No.
22:15We burned almost every physical book in the country.
22:18So by the time you guys grow up, there won't be one book left.
22:23If you're familiar with the novel and the book, it's so crazy how life imitates art,
22:26art imitates life.
22:27You know, the cycle that we're in because that movie is so telling to the times that
22:30we live in today and the things that are, you know, that are, you know, trying to be
22:34put in place.
22:35But the freedom of education and knowledge and free thought, you know, was a big theme
22:40of that movie.
22:41And I kind of felt that that movie and that character would resonate with people.
22:45I felt like us as a society, as people, we were headed in that direction.
22:49You know, almost like a cautionary tale, you know what I mean, to a few things.
23:01Can I do this?
23:04And you do what?
23:08I know how bad you want this.
23:10I can feel it, how bad you want to beat Dylan.
23:15I don't think I'm the guy that can give it to you.
23:18QB1, you know, that cast was incredible.
23:21That city of Austin, Texas was great.
23:25I love being there.
23:26And another one of those shows that I was on that opened up so many doors because all
23:30the right people loved that show.
23:32Fans to producers to casting directors to, you know, it's usually like the executives
23:37and the producers, like wives, you know, love that show.
23:40So they're, oh, my wife loves you.
23:42It's great.
23:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:44Revisit audition.
23:45Great.
23:46Awesome.
23:47No, no, but it definitely helped out and created warm environments for me to walk in and leave
23:53a good impression.
23:57We've been working hard, fellas.
23:59What are we?
24:00Lions!
24:01What do we play with?
24:02Lions!
24:03What do we play for?
24:04Lions!
24:05What are we?
24:06Lions!
24:07Let's do this.
24:08One, two, three.
24:09Lions!
24:10That show really taught me the fluidity of improv, guerrilla shooting.
24:13It felt like making an indie, you know what I mean?
24:16You know, Pete Berg would be yelling in the back while we're in the middle of the scenes,
24:19not yelling cut.
24:20It took away the preciousness of filmmaking.
24:22I had this relationship with production in a way that felt very professional and strict
24:30and, you know, rule and this and that and everything had a place.
24:33And I went down to Texas and we threw all that shit out the window.
24:37And it was like, improv, all right, throw a camera up here.
24:40Throw a light up here.
24:41We shooting.
24:42Let's do it.
24:43All right, we'll get that later.
24:44It just taught me of like, you know, by any means necessary, get the shot, you know, and
24:48get what you need to get.
24:49That had kind of appealed to me because, you know, it's kind of like how I am as a person.
24:53It's just, it's very whatever it takes.
24:55Like, it was like ego-less filmmaking in a way.
24:58It was dope.
25:05Where we left off?
25:06That's tough.
25:07Like, if it was a show that was going, it was doing Friday Night Lights over, like the
25:10show, I would pop in for an episode.
25:12Yeah, I would.
25:13I would.
25:14I think I feel that way more than I do The Wire, because I think I was a part of the
25:18original cast.
25:19I think the fact that I came in season four at FNL, I feel like they did a reboot.
25:24I was like, all right, I can come get in this world.
25:26I'm cool with that.
25:34Dang.
25:35You know this is only the beginning, right?
25:37Let's get it.
25:38We made it, man.
25:39Orange juice?
25:40Yeah, it was dope.
25:41I mean, being a fan of the NBA, playing NBA 2K, the mob player and everything, the fact
25:46that I was in the game, that was a moment for me for sure.
25:50I got a chance to help curate the soundtrack and everything, so that was tough for me.
25:55And then, you know, the dynamic between Justice and Prez was, you know, I wanted everybody
26:01to feel like that was you and your best friend.
26:03That was you and your wingman, you know, trying to take on the world, trying to get to the
26:07league and get that big contract, get those endorsement deals.
26:10You know, all of that.
26:11And obviously, depending on your mob player and depending on your style of play and what
26:14you chose.
26:15Kobe Bryant did the intro to that one, which was really special to me, because I got a
26:20chance to really spend a lot of time with him.
26:23And that's where we kind of forged our relationship and friendship.
26:27Rest in peace, Kobe.
26:29So that was a big one for me, for sure.
26:32So I was like, where do you go from there?
26:34From that?
26:35You know, sinners.
26:36You know, that's the next one.
26:38But as far as directing goes, you know, this is a project, Thomas Crown Affair, that I've
26:43been obsessed with since I was a kid.
26:45Slowly been developing it, like, kind of after Creed 1, you know, I kind of discovered the
26:52property.
26:53It was over at MGM.
26:54And slowly, slowly developing it over the past, you know, decade or so.
26:58If everything would have happened for me to make that movie 10 years ago, it still wouldn't
27:02have been right.
27:03I don't think, because I don't think I would have been old enough or lived enough to kind
27:05of like, you know, bring to it the way I want to.
27:07You know, now at 37, I feel like it's the perfect time to step behind the camera, you
27:10know, and in front of the camera and tell that story.
27:12So that'll probably be my next one I'm doing.