"‘Shahbaz Sharif Must Have Consulted the Establishment Before Offering Parliamentary Committee,"
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00:00Mr. Zubair, the problem is that, are these discussions to be conducted by politicians?
00:05Mr. Prime Minister is offering to hold discussions,
00:09we will make a committee, they will take care of it,
00:11there will be discussions.
00:12Mr. Prime Minister has offered it himself.
00:14Do you think it is serious, it should be considered,
00:19a chance should be given to political dialogue between political parties?
00:23Mr. Shiba does not have any power and he does not even want to use it.
00:28He will not even be in favour of discussing and trying to take power from the establishment.
00:36He is fine with it and he was always fine with it.
00:39I have always said that he just happens to be the brother of Nawaz Sharif,
00:43but otherwise, there is nothing common between him and Nawaz Sharif.
00:47And this is the reason why Mr. Shiba was the favourite of the establishment.
00:50But Mr. Zubair, I think we should not do this either,
00:54I think it should be done,
00:56it should be abandoned that there is a difference between the two.
00:58The current system is going on with the approval of Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
01:02The good cop, bad cop, Mr. Nawaz Sharif is a democracy, Mr. Shiba is not,
01:06I think this belief has also broken now.
01:08Both are the same.
01:10No, no, I am not talking about that.
01:12Maria, I was not talking about that, good cop, bad cop.
01:15Genuinely, my understanding, my insight, the meetings I have with them,
01:19Mr. Shiba has always said this,
01:23publicly, I was in the meetings where 40-40 people were sitting,
01:27and not once, but 10 times,
01:29that if Mr. Nawaz Sharif had listened to them,
01:32he would not have been in favour of the confrontation.
01:34He was against the Muzammil-e-Bihaniya.
01:36He fought tooth and nail
01:38that Mariam Nawaz should step back and Muzammil-e-Bihaniya should not happen.
01:42So that is a different thinking.
01:44But anyways, if there is a difference or not, that is a separate discussion.
01:49They will not take any step without the will of the establishment.
01:52If they have given this offer,
01:54which they have given to the Parliamentary Committee,
01:56this will also be given by the will of the establishment,
01:58without the will of the establishment.
02:00There is another difficulty in this,
02:0226th November and 9th May,
02:04both have the role of the establishment in some way or the other.
02:07In 9th May, of course,
02:09there was an attack on the institutions of the establishment,
02:11there was a fire,
02:13everything was destroyed.
02:15So, of course, the establishment's blessing
02:17is very important,
02:19that we make a Judicial Commission.
02:21And in 26th November,
02:23there were law enforcement agencies.
02:25Right, the Parliamentary Committee,
02:27which was announced by Mr. Fawad,
02:29do you think this is a serious attempt
02:31or is there a possibility
02:33that the matter can move forward?
02:35Or is it okay,
02:37that before leaving,
02:39they have also made a formality
02:41that we have made an effort.
02:43Look, we should have a discussion.
02:45We are not terrorists.
02:47We are politicians.
02:49We don't want to pick up a gun
02:51and climb the mountains.
02:53We want to have a discussion.
02:55The problem is that
02:57Mr. Shahbaz Sharif does not have
02:59the space for a discussion.
03:01Mr. Rana Sinawala is a very serious person
03:03and I always have a relationship with him
03:05and I have a lot of respect for him.
03:07But when he talks,
03:09when he talks again and again,
03:11I was telling him that
03:13first of all, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
03:15Mr. Iyad Sadiq,
03:17Mr. Dar, and Mr. Rana
03:19should talk to the establishment
03:21and ask them what their space is.
03:23If you are not able to arrange
03:25a meeting with Imran Khan
03:27for the Parliamentary Committee,
03:29then Imran Khan has to decide.
03:31What will all these people
03:33come to you for a discussion?
03:35If you are not able to arrange
03:37a meeting with them,
03:39then what will the discussion be?
03:41The establishment has not given
03:43any space to the government
03:45to have a discussion.