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00:00I would like to welcome all of you to ETV Bharat. I am Nava Nita and you all know that 23rd January has come.
00:09Bina Dini. She is a very famous actress.
00:13And what should I say about her? I will say everything. Ram Kamal Mukhopadhyay has been with me.
00:20Welcome to ETV Bharat.
00:22I have to say that it is a team work.
00:25That is why I say that it is a team work.
00:28I believe in team work.
00:30And I am very committed to my team.
00:33It all started with Rukmini, obviously.
00:36Rukmini Dharmani.
00:37From Rukmini, many people have joined me in my film.
00:43My artists, actors, musicians, singers, singers.
00:49All of them.
00:51So, all of us together, team Bina Dini.
00:53And it is possible to make a film with team Bina Dini.
00:56The film is being released all over India.
00:59So, it is a journey, a dream that I had seen.
01:03Or I wanted to do.
01:05A different kind of film of a different genre.
01:07From Mangla Film Industry.
01:10The audience will say that we have got it.
01:12But we have tried 100% from our side to give you something new.
01:18I have a question.
01:20Why have you kept us in Bangla for so long?
01:22Why have you kept us like this for so long?
01:28Why have you kept us in Bangla for so long?
01:32Because I don't live here.
01:36I live in Bombay.
01:39And I have worked in Bombay for 23 years.
01:43I have spent my whole life in Bombay.
01:47My Hindi film journey is also there.
01:50And I have made a Hindi film till date.
01:53Last year, I got a Jatay Purushkar for Hindi film.
01:56But when I used to come here,
02:00I used to talk to some Muslim journalists.
02:05They used to say that they will never make a film in Bangla.
02:08There is nothing like this in Bangla.
02:10So, I wanted to make a film in Bangla.
02:12I wanted to take a subject that I can do without Bangla.
02:16If I can do it in Hindi, I will do it in Hindi.
02:19Because I can do it in Hindi.
02:21The plus point is that,
02:23the impact of making a film has increased.
02:26Cinema is a cartoon scene.
02:28So, I want maximum people to watch my content.
02:32I want to make it reach everyone.
02:34So, that is one thing.
02:37But Bino Din is a subject
02:39that I would not have been able to do in Hindi.
02:42The language is like that.
02:44At that time,
02:46all the Mahirishis were living in Bangla.
02:52They had their own writers.
02:54Bankim Chandra, Isha Chandra Vidyasagar,
02:58Jyotishindranath Thakur, Rabindranath Thakur,
03:01Girish Chandra Ghosh,
03:03Rasheera Zamri Zolal.
03:06Obviously, their language was not different.
03:12I wanted to show the variety in a film.
03:14Bangla, but everyone's Bangla is different.
03:18Rabindranath Thakur wrote Bhanu Singh's Padabholi.
03:23So, there is a touch of Mithili in Bangla.
03:30This gave me a lot of excitement.
03:34There will be a unique scene in the film.
03:37We tried to do that.
03:40I hope the audience will like it.
03:42When did you start studying Bino Dini?
03:47I don't know the exact date.
03:52How did you get interested in him?
03:56I was interested in him for a long time.
03:59I am a history student.
04:02I studied in Kolkata.
04:05I did my graduation in Kolkata.
04:11I was interested in history.
04:15I love history.
04:17To be honest, there is no such genre in Bangla cinema.
04:28We get it in English and other languages.
04:33Recently, we are getting it in South India.
04:36We are getting it in Hindi cinema.
04:38The work of a historian.
04:40But the work of a historian stops at one point.
04:43No one else is doing anything with history.
04:46I was wondering why there is no work of a historian.
04:51So, I went to Bino Dini from there.
04:53Bino Dini is a very popular film.
04:59There are many variations in it.
05:01Once, a serial was made on a channel.
05:05It was like a serial.
05:08The demand was so high that it became like a serial.
05:14There were many plays.
05:17Right now, there is a play called Bino Dini Apera.
05:21Everyone is trying to do it in their own way.
05:28I saw a different kind of Bino Dini.
05:30I thought of a different kind of Bino Dini.
05:32My Kolkata or Bango.
05:36Kolkata is in Gulab.
05:38There was Bango at that time.
05:40I saw Bango in a different way.
05:42In Bengal.
05:44That is my imagination.
05:46I don't know if all the Bengalis can relate to this.
05:55You can understand that on 24th.
05:58I can say that this is Bino Dini in my eyes.
06:02Why Rukmini?
06:04I want to ask you something.
06:07Have you seen the trailer?
06:10Have you seen Chaitanya Gaan?
06:12I have seen it.
06:13Do you think that there can be someone else other than Rukmini?
06:18I don't think so.
06:20Right. I don't think so.
06:22I think you are right.
06:26There can be Bino Dini.
06:28I don't think so.
06:29It is more difficult for me.
06:31Rukmini has that thing.
06:33Rukmini is an independent woman.
06:40She has changed a lot during her time.
06:44Rukmini has all those qualities.
06:49She is well educated.
06:52She reads literature.
06:54She understands fashion.
06:56She understands music.
06:58She got those little qualities.
07:01Which Bino Dini had.
07:04She enhanced those qualities.
07:07Bino Dini's past and present is Bino Dini's life.
07:12Every woman is Bino Dini.
07:14You are also a Bino Dini.
07:16You have to struggle a lot in your life.
07:18You have to do what a man has to do.
07:21God has created women like that.
07:25Where they can keep those qualities.
07:28They can take care of the house.
07:30I think physically women are very strong.
07:34I think there is Bino Dini everywhere.
07:38I just have to find her.
07:40Finding her was my job.
07:43There was Bino Dini in Rukmini.
07:45The shooting was in Kolkata.
07:47I asked a question to a person who doesn't live in Kolkata.
07:52We used to go to the location.
07:54I liked it.
07:55I used to lock the location.
07:56I can say the names of places.
08:00There is no reference from 200 years ago.
08:02The city is a modern city.
08:05For that, in Bharat Lakhi Studio, we created the whole city.
08:11The whole street, road, car, everything.
08:15We created everything.
08:17For the first time, we had to set up a city for the heroine.
08:20From a temple shop to a grocery shop, road, pan, temple.
08:25Everything was there.
08:27What kind of a sari are you wearing?
08:29At first, I said, it's very nice.
08:31Someone said it in front of the camera.
08:33I said, it's a very nice song.
08:35I liked it.
08:37What do you think about the sari?
08:39I am getting such a good response from everyone.
08:43Everyone is saying that the songs are so sweet and beautiful.
08:47The sweet Bengali song was lost.
08:50Everyone is emphasizing the language.
08:53They are saying that the lyrics are beautiful.
08:55The song is pleasant to listen to.
08:57The lyrics are good.
08:59It's a beautiful song.
09:01It's a beautiful song.
09:03It's a beautiful song.
09:05It's a beautiful song.
09:07It's a beautiful song.
09:09It's a beautiful song.
09:11It's a beautiful song.
09:13It's a beautiful song.
09:15It's a beautiful song.
09:17It's a beautiful song.
09:19It's a beautiful song.
09:21It's a beautiful song.
09:23It's a beautiful song.
09:25It's a beautiful song.
09:27For the first time in Bengali cinema,
09:29a Bengali song
09:31was in the top 10
09:33in an international chart-buster list.
09:35It's called Kana.
09:37I think that's a big achievement.
09:39That's what I was saying
09:41when I went to a radio station.
09:43If a song like Kana
09:45gets an Emmy or an Oscar,
09:47why don't we
09:49give our song
09:51publicity?
09:53Why don't we
09:55take it to the national level?
09:57Why are we criticizing it?
09:59Why is it a Hindi song in Bengali cinema?
10:01If we don't take away
10:03the negativity,
10:05a Bengali like Rampaman Mukherjee,
10:07Rukmini Moitra,
10:09Mir Bangali, Vinodini Dasi Bangali,
10:11is the Bengali version better
10:13or the Hindi version?
10:15That's what I wanted to ask.
10:17Bengalis have done it.
10:19Bengalis have made it.
10:21It's a Bengali product.
10:23Why don't we push it?
10:25Why don't we take it to the national level?
10:27This is the fight
10:29that needs to be fought.
10:31I don't think we should
10:33be concerned about
10:35Vinodini Dasi's singing in Hindi.
10:37I've heard that
10:39Sanjay Leela Bansali in Bengali...
10:43That's a big honor.
10:45That's a big honor.
10:47It doesn't make sense.
10:49I respect Sanjay sir a lot.
10:51He doesn't know me personally, of course.
10:53He used to talk to me.
10:57Sanjay Leela Bansali.
10:59Ashutosh Gowrekar is also
11:01a very respectable director.
11:03I respect him a lot.
11:05The way he makes films,
11:07he also makes historical films.
11:09That's why he's famous in India.
11:11That's what I meant.
11:13I respect him a lot.
11:15He's a great actor.
11:17He's a great actor.
11:19When Bansali
11:21speaks,
11:23I feel like
11:25he's trying to say
11:27that this glamour
11:29or this scale
11:31is a big compliment to me.
11:33If I don't take this compliment
11:35to myself,
11:37then...
11:39I've been complimented
11:41that I've achieved this.
11:43But I've achieved it in a one-third budget.
11:45There are a lot of stories
11:47that I'm waiting to see
11:49in the future.
11:51Why am I showing that?
11:53If that starts,
11:55I think I and Rukmini
11:57are a cinema movement.
11:59This movement will happen.
12:01We'll be able to see new content.
12:03We, Marathi people,
12:05take Shivaji and make two films every year.
12:07Shivaji Choto Bala, Bara Bala,
12:09Maj Bala, Bura Bala, Aati O Sajan,
12:11Shivaji's Sahirna,
12:13Shivaji's Maa, Shivaji's Thakoma.
12:15Why don't we have four?
12:17It's a good subject.
12:19It's good for history.
12:21Jhansi has many films.
12:23Bhagat Singh has eight films.
12:25Why can't we have five films
12:27with Vinod Ali Das?
12:29We can have Chaitanya Mahaprabhu,
12:31Netaji Subhash Chandra,
12:33Rabindranath Tagore,
12:35Matam Gini Hazra,
12:37Bina Das.
12:39There are so many people in Bangla.
12:41They represent a new era.
12:43Why can't we make a film
12:45with them?
12:47Only their production is trying
12:49to do something different.
12:51After Bhagat Jatin,
12:53we made Bina Dini.
12:57Someone has to think about this.
12:59These stories happened before.
13:03Why should people watch Bina Dini?
13:07I hope you'll come to watch Bina Dini.
13:09I hope you'll come to watch Bina Dini.
13:11I hope you'll come to know
13:13what I want to show
13:15and why I want to show this story.
13:17You might know all the incidents
13:19that have happened
13:21with the actors
13:23or with the writers.
13:25For those who don't know,
13:27it's a beautiful journey of a girl.
13:29It's a commercial film.
13:31There's drama, dance, song, romance.
13:33There's everything.
13:35Those who want to buy a ticket
13:37and enjoy with their family
13:39will get that.
13:41Along with that,
13:43you'll get a lot of
13:45weight,
13:47a lot of feelings
13:49that are purely Bengali.
13:51a lot of feelings that are purely Bengali.
13:53A lot of feelings that are purely Bengali.
13:55A lot of feelings that are purely Bengali.
13:57You might think
13:59that this story
14:01could have been told this way.
14:03This story
14:05could have been told this way.
14:07It was told in a different language.
14:09When Bhansali plays Devdas
14:11and when Parvati and Chandramukhi
14:13and Durga Bhoja dance together
14:15it doesn't feel awkward.
14:17But if it was
14:19in Bengali,
14:21people would have thought
14:23that she's the same.
14:25She changed Saroj Chandra.
14:27But
14:29she changed Saroj Chandra
14:31and made the commercial aspect more intense.
14:33The story is based on the dynamism that Bhansali has created
14:37That's why I wanted to make the liberties that I have in the film larger than life
14:43because Vinodina is a big star, she is an enigma
14:47I wanted to show her larger than life
14:49If I had entered the realistic zone, I would have had a different approach, different audience
14:55and a different budget
14:57I won't justify the budget
14:59I wanted to change the direction of the commercial
15:03But I didn't disrespect anyone, not even the Bengali audience
15:09I tried to make the film in my own style
15:14If you work on a story like this, it becomes a historical film
15:23Because history teaches us a lot
15:25There is a lot of difference between religions
15:27In that, people have a lot of different thoughts
15:30The way it is in the case of Devdas
15:32Even if that is not true
15:35But how much does it work in the head?
15:39Yes, this is a very important thing that we have to keep in mind when we make a film
15:44But the research that we are doing
15:47It is done from different angles
15:50Along with that, there is my imagination
15:54That is why there is a disclaimer in the beginning
15:56that all the characters are imaginary
15:59But there is a gap between the two
16:05where I am not getting anything
16:07I am not getting it in the library or in any book
16:09But the story is like this
16:11What happened in the middle, I didn't understand
16:14But that was there, a lot happened
16:17Then I got another story from somewhere
16:19In this style, Bino Dini
16:21What happened in the middle, I didn't understand
16:23What will I show in the film?
16:25I am sitting here, I am not getting anything
16:27I can't say this
16:29Why do I have to give a story?
16:31People will think that this is not happening
16:33This is not getting made
16:35Obviously, it is not getting made
16:37The director has made it
16:39Bino Dini is a historical film
16:41I was telling you the other day
16:43that Bino Dini was made in a star theatre
16:47And that was before Bino Dini's poster launch
16:51Bino Dini is Ramakrishna's poster launch
16:54It happened on Kalpataru Day
16:56It happened in January
16:58It is a history
17:00It is a history thanks to Manohar Mukhopadhyay
17:02Thanks to Mamata Mandapadhyay
17:04Thanks to Rukmini
17:06for writing the five-letter letter
17:08If I didn't write that letter, it wouldn't have happened
17:12I wrote that letter in Abeg's place
17:14in Gor Chhota
17:16One day, he wrote to me
17:18and told me that he has made a huge film
17:21It might backfire
17:23You don't tell anyone
17:25I said, I don't need to say anything
17:27Leave the rest
17:29It is a huge thing
17:31Bino Dini didn't become a star theatre
17:33People are saying this
17:35A lot of papers were written
17:37It was seen, it was cross-checked
17:39Then only he took the decision
17:41We can't tell any government to do this or that
17:46We don't have that right
17:48At the best, we are citizens
17:50What can a citizen do?
17:52He can make a request
17:54We made a request
17:56A lot of people say that
17:58That was in Biren city
18:00This is a cinema hall
18:02I have a question for them
18:04When they were protesting
18:06with this
18:08When they were saying that Bino Dini can't return the hall
18:11At what cost were they saying this?
18:13At what cost?
18:15There is only one star theatre in Kolkata
18:18Biren city has been like this for a long time
18:20The star theatre that came after that
18:22will be over
18:24in the time of Mumfront
18:26After that, it has to be rebuilt
18:29But it will remain as a star theatre
18:31So, this protest
18:33that we have been saying for a long time
18:36Which theatre were they talking about?
18:38Which one were they talking about?
18:40Now that the star theatre has become Bino Dini theatre
18:44Nindu said it will be a cinema hall
18:46They don't know this
18:48There is a play there
18:50You have to take that play
18:52You have to do the shows
18:54There is a stage
18:56They said they will give the play
18:58Although
19:00So, this protest
19:02The way Bino Dini is trying
19:04I think it should be celebrated
19:06rather than criticised
19:08Mukund is a woman
19:10Our Chief Minister is a woman
19:12And Bino Dini Das is a woman
19:14After 141 years
19:17She wanted a theatre in her name
19:19at that time
19:21So, she gave everything she had
19:23for that
19:25Why hasn't anyone thought of that
19:27in a day?
19:29There are so many new roads, statues
19:31I gave a telephone interview
19:33that day
19:35She said, I remember
19:37We want to say this
19:39Our viewers want to say this
19:41That in Kolkata
19:43Metro comes first
19:45In India, it is the first metro railway
19:47When the metro railway came
19:49At that time, it was a station
19:51in the name of many people
19:53Initially
19:55Taligans to Sham Bazaar
19:57At that time
19:59Did you think of a station
20:01in the name of Bino Dini Das?
20:05Why didn't you think of that?
20:07Hathi Bagan station
20:09Why didn't you name it Bino Dini Das?
20:11Girish Park happened
20:15This is the problem
20:17One more thing
20:19I want to tell you
20:21My picture is not Bino Dini Das
20:23My picture is Bino Dini
20:25Dashi
20:27If I don't change myself
20:29Then how can I expect
20:31this change?
20:33Who will I tell not to change?
20:35I will change myself
20:37I am saying the same thing
20:39If I say the same thing
20:41Then how can I expect change?
20:43Everyone is Dashi
20:45This is the symbol of Mahisham
20:47Brahmins will become Devi and Abrahmins will become Dashi
20:49And the meaning of Dashi
20:51is
20:53I have accepted Dasartha
20:57Why did I accept it?
20:59That is the source of all the fame
21:01That is the first actor
21:03in India
21:05who has been published
21:07in an international magazine
21:09The first actor in India
21:11who had a huge fan following
21:13The first actor in India
21:15who has worked in so many languages
21:17The first actor in India
21:19who has acted in 80 plays
21:21Who can break this record?
21:23No one can
21:25after so many years
21:27Should we call him Dashi or Rani?
21:29Will Draupadi be the next actor?
21:33Draupadi will be the next actor
21:35or Lokikantapur
21:37because the next film will be Lokikantapur
21:39Darun Golpo, a new film
21:41made by another actor
21:43After Bino Dini
21:45Lokikantapur, then Draupadi
21:47Draupadi's work is done
21:49To mount Draupadi
21:51Draupadi has to be successful
21:53like Bino Dini
21:55Bino Dini is successful
21:57because Draupadi's budget is even bigger
21:59No one has done Mahabharata in Bangla
22:01That too from Draupadi's point of view
22:03If you want to see Mahabharata
22:05in your own language
22:07then you have to do it
22:09South India is pushing their cinema
22:11and making it commercially hit
22:13and they are getting a lot of support
22:15in the national level
22:17You don't have to think about it
22:19If you make your film hit
22:21then it will be commercially successful
22:23Why only me?
22:25Do a good job
22:27and make a good film
22:29You will get a lot of money
22:31Thank you so much
22:33All the best