Sawal Yeh Hai | Maria Memon | Talks Between PTI and Govt? | ARY News | 13th December 2024
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Maiban and today's top stories are civil disobedience and negotiations
00:26What is the political strategy of Tariq-e-Insaaf in the coming days, we will try to find out in the first part of the program
00:32After that, the government has been talking about negotiations with PTI for a long time, but now that the committee has been announced for negotiations, new obstacles are also emerging
00:40Is there still any facilitation for PTI from within the system? We will ask Javed Latif sahab in the second part of the program
00:46Finally, Pakistan is the most dangerous country for journalists after Gaza. Did anyone think that the situation of working for journalists here would be so worrisome?
00:56We will analyze some facts and figures in the last part of the program. Let's start, Tariq-e-Insaaf also wants to negotiate, there is also a negotiating committee
01:03But at the same time, we are seeing that there are also statements of civil disobedience, there are also conditions
01:08But at the same time, the first committee that was made for negotiations with Achakzai sahab, I saw that it has been activated again today
01:15So what is the political wisdom of action at this time? What is the legal wisdom of action?
01:19Is the rest of the leadership of Tariq-e-Insaaf on board with Imran Khan sahab?
01:23Because the statements coming from his jail, it seems that they are not looking very happy with this current statement of Tariq-e-Insaaf
01:31How much truth is there in this? We will also talk about this
01:33When Tariq-e-Insaaf invites for negotiations, that too is one-sided
01:39And somewhere when he faces some kind of criticism regarding negotiations, he says that we are not begging, this is also a situation
01:47Let's take a look at both statements, listen
02:09Tariq-e-Insaaf is our brother, there will definitely be political disagreements, and there should be, we should not make personal enmity
02:14Some people are trying to give the impression that they have been lying for a long time, we are not a newbie who has been sent to someone's house
02:21That you come and talk to us or call us, Imran Khan sahab is upset about this
02:26Okay, we have opened the doors for negotiations, we don't have to be on defensive
02:32The impression is that we are requesting someone to come and negotiate with Tariq-e-Insaaf
02:37We met Imran Khan sahab yesterday, I asked him, he was very angry
02:42He said that this is not the way to negotiate, we are not begging, we are not requesting anyone
02:47Secondly, there is the government, they are not able to decide whether to negotiate or not
02:53In every Jamaat, there are hawks and doves, so we are seeing their internal disagreements play out in the media
03:01Irfan Siddiqui sahab and Talal Chaudhary sahab are saying that there is no need to negotiate, are we thieves?
03:07Tell us, first clarify this, what is a negotiation?
03:11On the other hand, there is Tariq Fazal Chaudhary sahab and Rana Sanaullah sahab, who are saying that this is a good thing, we have come to our senses, so we should negotiate
03:18We have seen that there is a disagreement in the PMLN, let us show you both the statements one by one
03:26We have come to our senses that we don't want to negotiate with thieves
03:29First, they should issue a certificate that whether we are still thieves or not
03:34Or they have changed their point of view that there is no harm in negotiating with thieves
03:38This is a parliamentary issue, what are you joking about?
03:42We are thieves and robbers, now we are not thieves and robbers
03:46Now you tell me, you said that we will not negotiate with thieves, are we not thieves now?
03:52We will negotiate with each other, if this is the way of Pakistan, then you will sit with us
03:57We will not only sit, but we will sit with an open heart and an open mind
04:01I am telling you with pride that our party and the government are not in a closed lane
04:06This is not a problem from their side, if they have understood something, which is absolutely right, then it is a very good thing
04:12But now when the matter will reach us, then we will talk further
04:17This is the matter of negotiations, along with that there is a clause of civil disobedience
04:22Which was mentioned in the tweet of the chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf that otherwise we will announce civil disobedience
04:27Is that strategy still valid or not?
04:31In that too, we see two different statements from Tehreek-e-Insaf
04:35Ms. Aleema is talking about something else, the other leaders of the party are talking about something else
04:40So will the civil disobedience movement work?
04:43It will work, Ms. Aleema says it will work, listen
04:46If they do not listen to our demands, they have called the Pakistanis
04:51That you do not send your remittances, dollars to Pakistan
04:56Tehreek-e-Insaf has announced the date of civil disobedience from December 14
05:00And that announcement is still valid
05:02If the government does not negotiate, then civil disobedience will also start
05:06And it will start with the overseas Pakistanis
05:10Sheikh Waqas Akram said in the show of Waseem Badami that India has not decided yet
05:16The date has gone ahead, so there is another version from there, listen
05:22Sir, the date has gone ahead, it was on the 13th, now it is on the 14th
05:30Mr. Khan had changed it 3-4 days ago, so obviously it will continue after that
05:36We will not start civil disobedience immediately until our engagement is going on
05:39And we have said that the committee that Mr. Khan has mandated for this dialogue, so they agreed to it
05:44Civil disobedience is the last resort, it is the last option
05:47Civil disobedience has been given by India, but the party has not sent it yet
05:51But one thing is clear that it is not possible for Mr. Khan and the leaders of his party to live without civil disobedience
05:59The Secretary General of Tehreek-e-Insaf, Mr. Salman Akram Raja is with us, thank you very much
06:04Mr. Salman, you also went to Quetta, you also met there, we are seeing that your political alliance is also progressing
06:11But let's go through all the issues one by one
06:14I think first of all, if we ask that was it a matter of civil disobedience?
06:19Has there been clarity in this regard?
06:21Will you wait for the engagement of the dialogue right now?
06:26Or the deadline that Mr. Khan had given that there will be civil disobedience
06:30If there is no engagement in the dialogue, where are you standing with regards to civil disobedience?
06:35What is your position of the Jamaat?
06:39The position of the Jamaat is the same as that of Mr. Imran Khan
06:43And he has announced that on 15th, he himself will announce what is the next step
06:48Therefore, Mr. Khan should not go back on his position that if you close all the doors on us
06:56If you close the legal path, after the 26th amendment, the situation of the courts is in front of you
07:03What happened in the election, we did not step back from it
07:07The election was looted on 8th February, the decision of the people of Pakistan was rejected
07:12All these things are present
07:14On 26th November, the murder of 69 citizens, this is our position, we are not stepping back from it
07:23In this situation, what should a nation do?
07:27We cannot sit in a closed lane all our lives
07:31We are being told that all the paths have been closed on you
07:35No legal path will be provided to you, nothing will happen through elections
07:41There will be no dialogue, then nothing is left
07:43Civil disobedience should be seen in this context
07:46Our desire is that people in this country should have equal rights
07:52The right to talk, the right to movement, the right to gather
07:57When all these rights are violated, FIRs are filed, fake FIRs are filed against people
08:04They are arrested, then civil disobedience should be seen in that context
08:10I am talking about the date, can this matter go beyond 15th?
08:1515th is a final date, because people in your community are saying that there is no clarity
08:20Can this matter go beyond 15th?
08:22Mr. Khan will give clarity
08:24Mr. Khan has said that he will give his own opinion on 15th
08:28We should wait for 15th, what he says that day
08:32But during this time, we want there to be a dialogue
08:36We are not requesting anything
08:40We think that it is good for Pakistan, it is a matter of public welfare
08:46That we come on the path of law and order, and we are not deviating from the path of law and order
08:51It is the regime that is currently ruling, they are deviating from the path of law and order
08:56They should talk so that we bring this country back on the path of law and order
09:01Mr. Rai, is it true that Mr. Khan is upset with his leadership?
09:05Because the statements that have been made about him by his wife
09:09That he is not happy with the strategy, he feels that everything is fine, everyone is happy
09:14Such things have been reported against him
09:17Is he upset with his political strategy?
09:23Look, I have not met Mr. Khan for the past 6-8 days
09:29I can't say, this is a case of military courts
09:32Because it was going on on a daily basis, I was present in the Supreme Court
09:37Now that we have met, it will be clear
09:40I don't think there is anything like that
09:42Mr. Khan absolutely wants that there should be a dialogue
09:47But it is our right to protest
09:52And how and in what way that protest will take place, that is up to us
09:56But there can be both protest and dialogue, there is no contradiction
10:01But is there a marked difference in the tone?
10:04Because when we listen to Ms. Leba or her reporting
10:07It seems that Mr. Khan has taken an aggressive tone
10:10We see his statements, we see his tweets, we see his stance
10:14It is not of any political tone
10:18But the leadership outside does not believe in resistance, it believes in politics
10:22We can see the difference between Mr. Khan's statements and external statements
10:25Do you see a disconnect?
10:28Look, I will not call it a disconnect
10:30Mr. Khan is a leader, he has his own personality
10:33There is a reason that such a large majority of this nation is with him
10:39Trusts him
10:41There are some reasons for this
10:43Not everyone is Imran Khan
10:45People talk on their own
10:47Some people see what they see
10:51Mr. Khan's point of view can be different and is
10:54Therefore, this conversation is absolutely right
10:56There is a conversation in every community
10:58As you said, there are different tones
11:01But ultimately, we will all have a consensus within us
11:07And there is, I do not see any inconsistency
11:11This is the style of conversation
11:13Our goal is exactly the same
11:16The people who have been arrested illegally
11:19Including Imran Khan
11:21They should be given freedom
11:23There should be no violation of the law
11:25The government is repeatedly saying about negotiations
11:28This statement was attributed to Khwaja Asif
11:31In which he says that you have shown a little flexibility with your conditions
11:36You have moved back
11:37You are ready to negotiate without conditions
11:40Is this right?
11:41Your two conditions were to make a commission
11:44Of these two incidents, 26 November and 9 May
11:47And at the same time, release the leaders
11:50You have moved back on one of these conditions
11:53Is this right?
11:55No, this is not right
11:57These are the conditions
11:59And we are saying that these are the conditions
12:01You should fulfill them
12:03This is a confidence building measure
12:05The number of people you have arrested in thousands
12:08This is absolutely wrong
12:10Take a few steps
12:12Show that you want to move towards decency and the law
12:16Then the matter will move forward
12:18It is not possible that you continue to force, lie and deceive
12:23And we come and sit with you
12:26Some steps should be taken from there
12:28Then our side will also take a step
12:30Mr. Salman, in today's date
12:32Do you think that confidence building measures, talks, negotiations
12:37Are you seeing any hesitation from the government?
12:41Because now your civil disobedience deadline of 15th is coming
12:45Are you seeing any progress?
12:48We will see
12:5015th is still there
12:52It is the day after tomorrow
12:54We will see what happens
12:56But this is not a matter of worry
12:58If it does not happen, then the political action will move forward
13:01What is the principle, according to the principle
13:04What we can do in this environment of force
13:06We will keep doing it
13:08You tell us what ways we have
13:10One is that we should be quiet
13:12Endure the force and be silent
13:14The second way is that we should find the legal ways
13:17When the legal ways are also closed
13:19Then only the protest is left
13:23This government which you did not believe
13:25You used to say that it is a fake mandate
13:27You do not have to talk to them
13:29We will talk to those who have the real power
13:31This is on record, the statement of Tehreek-e-Insaf
13:33Their earlier stance
13:35Now you want to talk to the politicians too
13:39Because earlier you wanted to talk only to Muktadara
13:42Do you think it is fake?
13:46The word fake is in its place
13:48I think that if we want to move forward
13:50Our stance is that
13:52All the government officials we see
13:55They are pawns
13:57They do not have the real power
13:59But if we can talk through them
14:01Then we are ready to do it
14:03With them too
14:05And those who are behind them
14:07Salman sir, earlier you did not think
14:09I am talking about Tehreek-e-Insaf
14:11What changed?
14:13How is this change happening now?
14:15In this view, this mechanism
14:17We will talk about this
14:19We will meet Mr. Khan in the next few days
14:21We will meet some people
14:23When the discussion committee was formed
14:25That discussion committee
14:27Was told to start a discussion
14:29We did not see any opposition
14:31In that
14:33But if there is opposition
14:35Then it will be clear
14:37Because meeting Mr. Khan
14:39Is not done on a daily basis
14:41Meeting Mr. Khan
14:43Especially our political people
14:45Has been made impossible
14:47Not difficult
14:49But impossible
14:51So it takes time
14:53To communicate
14:55But now you think
14:57That Mr. Khan
14:59Thinks that through politicians
15:01We should also engage
15:03Earlier Tehreek-e-Insaf did not think
15:05Is there a difference?
15:07No, it is not like that
15:09It is wrong
15:11Tehreek-e-Insaf did not think
15:13We were always saying
15:15On the basis of principle
15:17Whatever will be discussed
15:19On the basis of election
15:21On the basis of law
15:23On the basis of democracy
15:25We will talk about it
15:27If we are told to forget
15:29What happened when the election was looted
15:31We used to loot earlier
15:33We will loot again
15:35There is no objection in the context of discussion
15:37Who wants to discuss
15:39You had a very clear stance on this
15:41That you just want to discuss freely
15:43That is why I am asking
15:45What has changed
15:47No, it was not like that
15:49It was never like that
15:51We were always
15:53We were always
15:55We were always
15:57We were always
15:59We were always
16:01We were always
16:03Now if the apparent rulers
16:05If they want to talk about the rules and principles
16:07Then we will do it
16:09But let me say again
16:11That it will become clearer after 15th
16:13That it will become clearer after 15th
16:15Maulana Fazl Rahman is very angry
16:17At the government
16:19With him the bill was handed over
16:21I don't think the government
16:23Will sign on it
16:25President of Pakistan has given a lot of objections
16:27So the sequence of meetings
16:29With Tehreek-e-Insaf
16:31We are seeing that everyone is meeting Maulana, but you are not meeting him. Is there any possibility of this?
16:38This is a political process. There is no possibility outside. Everything can happen. It will happen with its time.
16:50We are meeting different people. We will definitely meet Maulana at some point.
17:00What is the status of the meeting with Mr. Achak Zahid?
17:05Earlier, the meeting with Mr. Achak Zahid was that he will engage with politicians.
17:11You gave him a mandate and authority. Then we saw that the committee became inactive.
17:16We are seeing the possibility of it being active again.
17:20What is the role of Mr. Achak Zahid in this matter?
17:25I think that the role of any patriot should be that they have a conversation.
17:31They should move forward from this environment of compulsion.
17:36They should play their role. He is a senior personality.
17:41He will do whatever he can.
17:45Sir, the committee was already formed. What is the difference now?
17:52No, this is continuity. There is no difference. We have not moved away from our principles.
18:00We are still in the process of discussion. We have not changed anything.
18:09We are still in the process of discussion. We are still in the process of discussion.
18:18You said that Mr. Khan will tell us about the civil disobedience on 15th.
18:23Do you have any clarity on that? What is its methodology? What is its implementation?
18:28Will it be incremental? What is the starting point?
18:31I will not be able to talk about that now.
18:33What is the starting point?
18:34Look, so far, this is what has come to light.
18:37The foreign country is about Pakistanis. It has nothing to do with Pakistan.
18:43It has nothing to do with Pakistan.
18:47What happens after that, wait for that.
18:50Foreign remittances etc. that they should not be sent from the legal channel.
18:54This is also an option. We are hearing that this will be the starting point.
18:58No, no, no one is saying that they should be sent from the illegal channel.
19:02But they are saying not to send from the legal channel.
19:06This is what has come to light.
19:10This is what has come to light from Mr. Khan's point of view.
19:13There is nothing illegal in this.
19:15No law is broken by this.
19:17Yes, sir, but coming from the legal channel is a suitable method.
19:22If you send money back from the legal channel.
19:25The law should not be broken, but in a suitable way.
19:27No, no, if someone stops it for a while.
19:29No, no, if someone stops it.
19:31We are not saying to send illegally.
19:34If someone stops it for a while.
19:36It is not a reward for any person sitting outside.
19:40So you are saying not to send illegally.
19:43This is your strategy.
19:46Or limit it.
19:47What has come to light is limited.
19:49See, this is Mr. Khan's practice.
19:52On 15th, he will clarify it further.
19:55So Mr. Rai, do you think this is a case of civil disobedience?
19:58Is this your final card?
20:08See, nothing is final in politics.
20:12History goes on.
20:14See, one thing is certain.
20:16The force that is in this country at the moment.
20:19The rejection of the law.
20:21The attack on the judicial system.
20:23This cannot be a permanent situation.
20:26This is a temporary moment.
20:29This is not a permanent situation.
20:32This is a temporary moment.
20:34This is not a permanent situation.
20:36So this is what you have to keep in mind.
20:39How to change in this situation.
20:41That will come to light.
20:43But there has to be a change.
20:45This situation cannot remain.
20:47That by disappointing the country and the youth.
20:50You play the drum of economic development.
20:53This will never happen.
20:55This will never happen.
20:57Thank you very much.
20:59We will come back after the break.
21:01PMLN has always been saying.
21:03That till now, Nizam was facilitating.
21:06Imran Khan and his party.
21:08This week, I saw that the charge sheet against General Faiz Ameed.
21:12It came to light.
21:14We will ask Javed Latif.
21:16Does he still think that facilitation is being done?
21:19Or is he satisfied that facilitation is being stopped?
21:22Stay with us after the break.
21:26Welcome back.
21:28Today is November 26.
21:3017 days have passed.
21:32Tariq-e-Insaaf is demanding the establishment of a Judicial Commission.
21:36The Judicial Commission was formed on November 9 and 26.
21:39What did the Leader of the Opposition say about this?
21:42Let's see.
21:43The Judicial Commission was formed on November 9.
21:46The Judicial Commission was formed on November 24.
21:49We want to investigate.
21:51Who gave the order to shoot to kill?
21:54Who shot?
21:55Why did they shoot?
21:57In these 17 days.
21:59Various statements have changed.
22:01On the first day.
22:03The Interior Minister.
22:05Or the Minister of Information.
22:07He said.
22:08That no bullets were fired.
22:10On record.
22:11In all press conferences.
22:12In all news channels.
22:13He said this.
22:14Now we see.
22:15That slowly.
22:16Slowly.
22:17There is a difference in the statements.
22:19It is being said.
22:20That the bullets were fired.
22:21But the way they were fired.
22:22By the people of Insaaf.
22:23So we see this change.
22:24That the bullets were not fired.
22:26But the bullets were fired.
22:27Before that.
22:28Let's see.
22:29Then we will ask.
22:30Isn't it the duty of the government.
22:32To make the Judicial Commission.
22:34At least to convince everyone.
22:36That the bullets were fired.
22:37Or not fired.
22:38The statement of not firing the bullets.
22:40Let's see.
22:41I went at night.
22:42I was present here.
22:43There were no calls of bullets.
22:45Nor was there any kind of firing here.
22:47You tell me.
22:48Which police officer had a gun?
22:49Every person had a camera in his hand.
22:51If the bullets were fired.
22:52Then they would have shot the whole world.
22:54That they had fired the bullets.
22:55According to the briefing given to the government.
22:57There has been air firing.
22:59Because there was no light in that area.
23:01I was not there.
23:02And that Bhakdar.
23:03And the leadership.
23:04Who ran away.
23:05That actually created all this mess.
23:07Otherwise, if the arms had not gone back.
23:09Then this mess would not have happened.
23:10When Ali Ameen.
23:11Was attacked on the car of Mr. Gandapur.
23:13His workers beat him.
23:15He tried to break his car.
23:17When he was running.
23:18So his guards.
23:19He fired at his own workers.
23:21This is also on record.
23:22The sad part is.
23:24That you are selling the blood of poor people.
23:26You are that poor worker.
23:27I am a political worker myself.
23:29Mr. President.
23:30I am myself.
23:31I have a lot of pain.
23:32Those poor children.
23:33The way they were shot.
23:36So there are two different statements.
23:37Who will decide about this?
23:39Some commission will decide.
23:41Whether the bullet was fired that day.
23:42And if it was fired.
23:43Did the people of Tehreek-e-Insaf get shot?
23:45Because we are hearing different versions from the government.
23:47During this time.
23:48Two more developments have taken place.
23:49One is Mr. Faiz Hameed.
23:50Who was the owner of Siah-o-Safeed in this country.
23:53For many years.
23:54There was a charge sheet against him.
23:56And it seems that.
23:57There is a lot of tension around him.
23:59And with the same context.
24:00There can be difficulties for Mr. Imran Khan.
24:02The second development.
24:03Which has taken place today.
24:04Is about the trial of civilians in military courts.
24:06This order was issued by the Supreme Court.
24:08And the Supreme Court.
24:09In the military courts.
24:10The case of the trial of civilians.
24:11This written order has been issued.
24:13According to the order of the Supreme Court.
24:15A decision against an 85 year old criminal.
24:17Is allowed to be made.
24:19According to the order of the Supreme Court.
24:21The criminal who is entitled to remuneration.
24:23He should be given remuneration.
24:24The criminal who is entitled to release.
24:26He should be released immediately.
24:28The Supreme Court has declared.
24:29The criminals who are being imprisoned.
24:31They should be handed over to the prison authorities.
24:33According to the order of the Supreme Court.
24:35The decision of the military courts.
24:37Is based on the decision of the Supreme Court.
24:39The order of the Supreme Court.
24:41Will not affect the rights of the 85 year old criminal.
24:44And during the hearing.
24:45It was requested by the parties.
24:47That the decision of the 85 year old criminal.
24:49Should be allowed to be made.
24:51So this permission was given.
24:52So many developments took place this week.
24:54We have with us Mr. Javed Latif.
24:56Because he always complains.
24:58That the system is being facilitated.
25:00General Faiz's case is not being run fast.
25:02Now Mr. Javed.
25:03After the development of this week.
25:05Do you feel.
25:06That the way of facilitation.
25:08Is being actively stopped.
25:09General Faiz's case.
25:11Is being started.
25:13Do you feel.
25:15That the way of facilitation.
25:17Is being actively stopped.
25:19No.
25:21No.
25:23Yes.
25:25If I agree with you.
25:27And I pray to God.
25:29That the way of facilitation.
25:31Is being actively stopped.
25:33Then I can expect this.
25:35But if you say.
25:37That the way of facilitation.
25:39General Faiz should be arrested.
25:41If the case is over.
25:43Then it is not over.
25:45First of all I would like to say.
25:47Maria.
25:49Can this person.
25:51Do all the planning alone.
25:53And what was that planning.
25:55Stopping the appointment of an army chief.
25:57And if you go beyond that.
25:59Then the four people.
26:01Who were connected to each other.
26:03And especially.
26:05It was before 2013.
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