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00:00I've never told my son that I don't cry because I'm a boy.
00:05And I never tell him that I cry because I'm a girl, because I'm a boy.
00:09What is the topic of tonight's Deep?
00:12When my boss looked at my notebook,
00:17I was surprised when he said that I was a girl.
00:22When I order an iced coffee and my boyfriend orders a melon soda,
00:27I'm the one who always gets the melon soda first,
00:32and then my boyfriend gets the iced coffee.
00:35So I think it's more of a man's thing to drink black coffee.
00:39Gender bias, discrimination by gender.
00:44This is called gender bias.
00:47Gender bias is caused by an unconscious belief in the role of men and women,
00:51narrowing the scope of individual possibilities and work,
00:54and creating discrimination based on gender.
00:59So the topic of tonight's Deep is gender bias that lurks in everyday life.
01:05I had a barbecue, and I thought that I had to cut the ingredients because I was a woman.
01:15I thought that men were making a fire.
01:18And men, too.
01:20When I was asked what kind of music I was going to listen to, I said,
01:23I'm going to listen to Amyon.
01:25And then I was told that it was a bit dark.
01:28I was a little hurt.
01:30I'm a man, but I really like Disney.
01:33I'm a man, but I like Disney.
01:35I'm a man, but I like Disney.
01:37I'm often told that.
01:39I try to hide it at work.
01:42He is also unconsciously influenced by his job choices.
01:48I don't think I've seen a lot of male secretaries.
01:51The president, the vice president, and the director.
01:55They're all men.
01:57There are some female managers, but not many.
02:04By the way, the Gender Gap Index ranking, which lists the differences between men and women.
02:12Japan ranks 118th out of 146 countries.
02:16It's at the bottom of the advanced countries.
02:19So tonight, we're going to talk about gender bias in depth.
02:24The night when women go deep.
02:30This program is a talk show for adults on a deep theme.
02:34Mr. Wada, I've heard the word gender bias, but I don't know much about it.
02:41Ms. Oko, have you heard of it?
02:43It's a pro-wrestling technique, isn't it?
02:45Ms. Yamaguchi, you don't have to overdo it from the opening.
02:49Ms. Yamaguchi, would you like to explain that first?
02:53Men should be like this.
02:55Women should be like this.
02:57For example, women can't cook.
03:01Men should work and earn money.
03:04Gender bias includes discrimination that occurs due to prejudice or determination.
03:12Ms. Peko, have you ever experienced that?
03:14When I was pregnant, I was told,
03:17I'm going to be a mother, so I can't wear a skirt.
03:21Why?
03:22I want to know, too.
03:24You can't wear a skirt as a mother?
03:26I happened to go see a movie with my son that day.
03:30I didn't have a chance to go to the park, so I wore a miniskirt.
03:35It said I went to the movie, but I thought I might go to the park.
03:40If I go to the park in such a miniskirt, everyone will be in trouble.
03:45I'm telling you, you can't go to the park.
03:49I have my own company.
03:51I started it when I was in college.
03:55Even though I was a female student, I felt like I was a manager.
03:58Even though I was a girl, I felt like I was a creative director.
04:04I was the president of the company.
04:06When my male employees came to the conference together,
04:10they looked at him and talked to me.
04:14I felt like I was a stranger.
04:18You've been in a lot of media, haven't you?
04:21Do you still feel that way?
04:23Before and after I appeared on a news program,
04:27there were a lot of people who changed their attitude.
04:30They said,
04:31I don't know what a young girl knows.
04:33You have zero power.
04:35I'm grateful.
04:37But in the case of Mr. Tsuji,
04:39when he goes to a real estate agency,
04:41he always gets a business card from his husband.
04:43If it's a woman, she can't get a business card.
04:46Do you think there is no decision-making power?
04:49Even if a man signs a contract with a woman,
04:52she can't get a business card from a woman.
04:55There are a lot of cases like that.
04:58When you work at a company,
05:00don't you feel like you're using your man's power?
05:03I've been told that.
05:05When a man works as an investor,
05:07he says,
05:08Do you have anything to do with this?
05:10I've been told that.
05:12I've been told that.
05:14It's based on the premise that women don't have that kind of power.
05:17I've been told that.
05:19It's better to have a man in finance.
05:21That's terrible.
05:23I've been told that.
05:25But in the case of Mr. Tsuji,
05:27I've always liked mathematics since I was a kid.
05:31But at that time,
05:33he said,
05:35I like mathematics.
05:37It's amazing.
05:39He said that in a compliment.
05:41But he said,
05:43Girls are not good at mathematics.
05:45That's why there's a lot of friction.
05:47He said,
05:49Women are not good at mathematics.
05:51He said,
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06:07He said,
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06:11He said,
06:13I never saw that.
06:15You're right.
06:17Men and women have different ideas about their careers.
06:24For example,
06:26women probably don't have the interest in history.
06:30I have different ideas in part because they don't have that kind of interest.
06:34I'm sure I've felt some bias.
06:37The big thing is that since I was a child,
06:39The big thing is that since I was a child,
06:41You become a good mother and back up your husband, that's the happiness of a girl.
06:47So I thought that was how it was going to be until I was in my 20s or 30s.
06:50I was trying to be spoiled by a guy,
06:53I was trying to get into a relationship.
06:55But when I realized it, I had money.
06:58Don't say that, it's disgusting.
07:00If you're so independent, you don't need that kind of power.
07:04That's how I was released.
07:06I used to belong to an idol group.
07:10In the world of idol groups, there's a lot of idol-ness.
07:14But when I think about idol-ness,
07:17I think of femininity.
07:19There's a lot of that.
07:21There's a lot of transparency, light pink nails and lips.
07:25There's a lot of that.
07:27It's clean, it's pure.
07:30That's the kind of image people want.
07:33I think that fits the concept of femininity.
07:37When we were in elementary and middle school,
07:40we were told that idols don't even go to the bathroom.
07:44That's right.
07:46We were told that.
07:48Maybe there's a bit of that, too.
07:51When I was listening to you,
07:53I realized that gender bias is a problem.
07:56I'm from Kochi prefecture.
07:58Kochi is actually a prefecture where women are stronger than men.
08:02Is that so?
08:03Shimazaki Wakako.
08:04Yes, that's the image.
08:06In Kochi dialect, women are called Hachikin.
08:10Kintama means eight.
08:12In other words, they're four times stronger than men.
08:15I can't hear any compliments.
08:17Women are also called Hachikin.
08:19I don't need that.
08:20So I wonder if they didn't see women as weak.
08:24Women are often told,
08:26even though they're women,
08:28I think it's a good thing.
08:31But on the male side,
08:33I think it's because they're men.
08:35They say,
08:36I'm a man, so I don't cry.
08:38I'm a man, so I'm strong.
08:40I'm always a macho.
08:42I wonder if there's a gender bias on the male side.
08:45But it's been studied.
08:47It's about masculinity.
08:49You have to be like a man.
08:52Men who are very particular about that
08:55tend to have mental health problems.
08:58The probability of depression and suicide
09:01is twice as high as men who are not.
09:04That's pretty high.
09:06That's how much you can't get over your weakness.
09:09Even when you're having a hard time,
09:11you're with your friends.
09:13If you can show your weakness,
09:15you can be saved.
09:18But I don't think it's easy for men to talk about their worries.
09:23Do you ever talk to someone about your worries?
09:25When I'm with men,
09:27I always talk about my menopause.
09:29Still?
09:30You're young.
09:32You don't talk about your worries.
09:35I don't want to show my weakness.
09:39I want to show that I'm strong.
09:42That's hard.
09:44You have a son, right?
09:46Yes, I have a son.
09:48I've never told my son,
09:50I'm a boy, so don't cry.
09:52I haven't told him once in six years.
09:54It's been a long time.
09:56I try not to use the words
09:58I'm a boy or a girl.
10:01I don't hold grudges.
10:04When I'm moved,
10:06or when I'm sad,
10:09I don't cry.
10:11I've never cried.
10:14When I was five or six years old,
10:17my uncle said,
10:19Shinya, listen.
10:21You can only cry twice in your life.
10:24When you were born,
10:27and when your mother died.
10:29He told me not to cry.
10:31I was so moved.
10:33I couldn't cry.
10:35You know,
10:37when you're on TV for 24 hours,
10:39you cry a lot.
10:41You cry a lot.
10:43But when I'm calm,
10:45I feel like a cold-blooded person.
10:47I'm not like that.
10:49I cry from the bottom of my heart.
10:51But I get a stopper.
10:53That's hard.
10:55In your words,
10:57comedians don't cry on TV.
11:00But everyone else is crying.
11:02I can't cry.
11:04It's a summer bias.
11:08You said you don't hold grudges.
11:11Are there other things you're careful about?
11:13For example,
11:15when I go to buy a cup,
11:17even though my son knows I like blue,
11:19he gives me blue, pink,
11:21and other colors.
11:23He gives me a choice.
11:25Oh, I see.
11:27In our time,
11:29even in a randosel,
11:31men were black and women were red.
11:33It was decided.
11:35It was decided.
11:37Women were calm and gentle.
11:39I had a violence test.
11:41I thought women should have less.
11:43So I did it.
11:45I didn't want to be seen as a bad person.
11:47Just like Peko,
11:49in my house,
11:51women were pink,
11:53and men were blue.
11:55I didn't want to be seen as a bad person.
11:57But I was in a nursery school.
11:59I was influenced by society.
12:01One day,
12:03I was told that pink is a girl's color
12:05and that boys shouldn't wear it.
12:07I was like, what?
12:09In the same nursery school,
12:11if there was a boy who liked pink,
12:13I thought I would be seen as a bad person.
12:15I was worried.
12:17So my husband bought seven sets of pink clothes.
12:19He went that far?
12:21As a pink uncle,
12:23I went to the nursery school.
12:25When I was about to go,
12:27he said,
12:29anyone can wear pink clothes.
12:31I was relieved.
12:33That's wonderful.
12:35When it comes to raising children,
12:37unconscious prejudice is on the parent's side.
12:39I've seen it in a questionnaire.
12:41I heard that raising children
12:43is important.
12:45The parents of boys
12:47have strong leadership and economic power.
12:49The parents of girls
12:51have a lot of charm and cuteness.
12:531% of economic power?
12:55I was quite surprised.
12:57I don't think I'm a boy or a girl.
12:59I'm not trying to be a boy.
13:01But I'm trying to be a girl.
13:03The results are easy to understand.
13:05When it comes to economic power,
13:07I wanted to go to college,
13:09too.
13:11But my brother and I,
13:13or my brother and I,
13:15in the family,
13:17were told to give up college
13:19because they wanted to go to college.
13:21I feel that the parents' wishes
13:23are hindered
13:25in such a place.
13:27That's true.
13:29When I think about myself,
13:31I don't think I'm a girl.
13:33When I was a teenager,
13:35I went to a girls' high school.
13:37All the girls were girls.
13:39There was no such thing.
13:41Among the girls,
13:43there was a difference in personality.
13:45When I grew up in such an environment,
13:47I naturally began to think
13:49about what I wanted to do
13:51rather than being a girl.
13:53Girls tend not to have
13:55a gender bias.
13:57I see.
13:59Recently, there are
14:01many more genderless characters
14:03in children's programs.
14:05For example, the Super Sentai series.
14:07A few years ago,
14:09a pink Ranger
14:11became a boy.
14:13The number of pink Rangers
14:15has increased a lot.
14:17Since I was a child,
14:19I thought it was good
14:21that the number of pink Rangers
14:23was increasing.
14:25The number of female MPs
14:27has also increased.
14:29The number of female executives
14:31has also increased.
14:33I think it's important
14:35to gradually show
14:37that there are
14:39various proportions.
14:41According to the story,
14:43men have to
14:45treat women
14:47to a meal.
14:49Women think it's cool
14:51to treat women to a meal.
14:53But I don't think so at all.
14:55I think it's better
14:57to pay for what you eat.
14:59I think so, too.
15:01When I go to a hotel,
15:03women are treated to a meal
15:05and men are treated to a meal.
15:07I see.
15:09I understand that.
15:11I think it's cool to treat women
15:13to a meal.
15:15I want to be treated to a meal.
15:19When I go to a hotel,
15:21women are treated to a meal
15:23and men are treated to a meal.
15:25I see.
15:27When I go to a hotel,
15:29I'm often treated to a meal.
15:31I'm often treated to a meal.
15:33I was treated to a meal
15:35when I went to a hotel.
15:37I was like, no, it's not rude at all.
15:39I'm just going to serve it normally.
15:41What do you think about treating people to a meal?
15:44I think it's crazy.
15:46There are things you should treat people to, right?
15:49I've been taught that.
15:52For example, when I go out to eat with my wife,
15:55of course, I often serve food.
15:57But sometimes, when I say, I'll serve it,
16:00there are times when they serve it.
16:02At that time, the waitress says,
16:04Oh, you're not going to serve it?
16:06The atmosphere is a bit like,
16:08Oh, I haven't seen you on TV lately.
16:11It's like that.
16:15At that time, I'm sure the waitress will hear me say,
16:18Oh, thank you for the meal today.
16:21That's a good way to appeal.
16:23Thank you for the meal today.
16:25Even if you say that, there are women who want to be treated to a meal.
16:29Men have a cool economic power,
16:31so they think it's cool,
16:33and they get attracted to each other.
16:35I want to be treated to a meal.
16:38But you have money, right?
16:40When I have money, I'm stingy.
16:42There are people like that.
16:44At this time, there is no bias.
16:47Let's say you went on your first date.
16:49And you didn't pay for the meal.
16:52Do you have a second date?
16:56It's okay. I have a lot of money.
16:59You have a lot of money.
17:01No, I don't.
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17:21Let's say you went on your first date.
17:23And you didn't pay for the meal.
17:25Do you have a second date?
17:27No, I don't.
17:29I think it depends on the relationship and communication.
17:31If you have a second date, you can communicate with your partner.
17:34For example, if you recently started to live alone.
17:37Or if you have no time to go to a restaurant.
17:40You can say, I will go on a date with you.
17:42Or you can say, I will go on a date with Yoshina.
17:44If you can communicate with your partner, you can do it.
17:48That's also a part of being stingy.
17:51Especially, if you don't have a second date,
17:54you may think that your partner won't meet you again.
17:58I can't say that I don't have money.
18:02I can't say that.
18:04If I don't have money, I won't go to that restaurant.
18:08That's what I think.
18:10Really?
18:11If you can talk to your partner smoothly,
18:15you can meet your partner without any hesitation.
18:20You can meet your partner easily.
18:22But you have to be stingy to your partner.
18:25You have to be stingy to your partner.
18:27You can say, I will pay half and half.
18:29It depends on your generation.
18:31I'm not your generation.
18:33But you can say, I will pay half and half.
18:35You can say, I will pay today.
18:37You can say, I will pay next time.
18:38If you keep paying with your partner,
18:41you will have to pay for your partner's wallet.
18:43You have to pay for that.
18:45I don't think you two pay each other.
18:49You don't have to pay.
18:51You don't have to pay.
18:54You don't have to pay for your wife.
18:56You don't have to pay.
18:58You don't have to pay.
19:00You don't have to pay.
19:02I want to treat you to a meal.
19:05I won't let you go.
19:07I want you to open the restaurant.
19:09I want you to cry.
19:11I want you to treat me.
19:12And I want you to make me cry.
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