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00:00Welcome to this special program where we follow the latest developments in Syria, where
00:28the opposition parties officially announced the end of Bashar al-Assad's rule and the
00:36release of the prisoners and the entry of the capital Damascus.
00:43To talk about the latest developments, I am pleased to welcome Mr. Mohamed Amrani Boukhebza,
00:53political analyst.
00:54Welcome.
00:55Hello.
00:56I am pleased to welcome Mr. Mohamed Amrani Boukhebza, political analyst, and also our
01:03correspondent from Beirut, Khaldoun Zayn al-Din.
01:06Welcome, everyone.
01:07We will start with you, Mr. Mohamed Amrani Boukhebza, by reading about these rapid developments
01:15and these violent attacks, which in a few days were enough to overthrow Bashar al-Assad's
01:22regime.
01:23It is true that those who read about what is happening may consider that there is a
01:32rush, a surprise, and that it happened at the wrong time, as they say.
01:42But perhaps the analysis that takes into account the multiple dimensions of this file
01:53may see that the issue of the fall was possible during 2011, with the beginning of the revolution
02:03in Syria, but there were factors that actually delayed the fall.
02:10Everyone knows the nature of the Syrian regime, a regime based on one party, a regime that
02:17did not have the popular roots that support it, it was not able to develop democratic
02:24institutions that could support it, and so on.
02:28Perhaps the external factor was decisive for Bashar's survival until now, and we are
02:35talking about Iran, Russia, and Hezbollah.
02:39With what is happening in the Middle East, it was supposed that there would be, within
02:48the planned agenda at this stage, the future of Bashar al-Assad and the future of the
02:56regime in Syria.
02:59Immediately after the negotiations and the agreement with Hezbollah, the Syrian front
03:07opened up very quickly, and the opposition entered it with the support of regional and
03:17international forces to speed up the fall of Bashar al-Assad's regime.
03:27In reality, Bashar al-Assad and the future of his regime is part of the vision of the
03:36future of the Middle East, and this future, unfortunately, is not made by the people of
03:43the region, because of the location of the region, and because of the relations of the
03:50region with a number of agendas, which made the future of the region related to regional
03:56and international forces.
03:59Here, we see Turkey's desire as a fundamental factor in what is happening, as well as the
04:07Iranian factor, the United States of America, Israel, and then Russia.
04:12But we should not forget that there are Arab countries that have a very important role
04:20in what is happening, and they have a vision that has been expressed in many occasions,
04:27especially when the decision was made to cancel or perhaps to make Syria a seat in the
04:34Arab League.
04:36We will return to this point, Mr. Mohamed Al-Amrani, in the framework of the possible
04:42international alliances to unify the Syrian front.
04:46I would like to ask Mr. Abdel-Massih Al-Shami, in your opinion, how can the fall of Al-Assad's
04:53regime be explained in these limited days?
04:56Is it a sign of the resistance or a weakness of Bashar Al-Assad's regime?
05:03First of all, dear viewers, it is no doubt that the reason for the rapid fall is, first,
05:12the lifting of the cover from Bashar Al-Assad by the countries that support him, as this
05:19regime has become a real threat to these countries and has become a cornerstone in all the projects
05:27that are proposed in this area in one way or another.
05:31First of all, any reforms and any cooperation and any discussions and dialogue with the
05:39opposition to form perhaps a national unity government and a government between the opposition
05:46and the active parties.
05:48But this refusal, in one way or another, has permanently led to the cancellation of the
05:54political solutions that were proposed, despite all the efforts that have been made.
05:59In addition to that, the situation in Syria has also become very fragile.
06:05The Syrian people have become a cornerstone or perhaps a real obstacle due to the corruption
06:12of this regime and due to its repression and dictatorship and its conspiracy against the
06:18Syrian people with the Iranians and with other countries.
06:22Therefore, today, all internal and external factors have come together and there has been
06:29a resurgence and a continuation of the regime and Bashar Al-Assad is impossible.
06:35Therefore, today, the regime's retreat was also due to the weakness of the army and the
06:44security forces and many of those who are in the institutions.
06:50The current situation and the performance of the regime also led to the regime becoming
06:56weak internally and the external forces, as we said, have made their decision and there
07:02is a consensus on that.
07:04Therefore, it was very easy to enter and perhaps it also made it easier for the decision or
07:10the mechanism in which the opposition moved in a peaceful way.
07:14It did not resort to violence, as it was in the previous time, in 2011, and it tried to
07:21reassure all the citizens.
07:23It did not try in any way to use violence against even the official institutions and even the
07:31military areas that it had reached as much as possible.
07:35Therefore, this also facilitated or made the issue of entering the villages and cities
07:41very easy due to the cooperation of the people.
07:44We must not forget that the factions that entered Syria, they return to their areas.
07:52The areas they entered are all their families and brothers and so on.
07:56Therefore, there were also those who welcomed them and those who made things easier for them
08:02in all areas, whether in Aleppo or even in the area of Damascus or even in Homs.
08:06All these areas to a large extent.
08:08The armed factions that entered all pay attention to these areas.
08:12All these factors contributed to this rapid entry to all the cities in these areas.
08:21Yes, there are differences that may mark the next stage, of course, in view of the
08:28non-coordination of the armed factions.
08:31I turn for a moment to our correspondent from Beirut, Khaldoun Zayn-ud-Din.
08:36Khaldoun, we were with you previously at the end of the developments.
08:41I would like to stop with you for a moment at the statement of the armed factions,
08:47that urgent statement from the official television.
08:50What are the messages that we can meet, of course, in connection with the words of the
08:56head of the government and the latest developments?
09:02A few minutes ago, Mr. Fathallah, there was a statement by the Turkish Foreign Minister
09:09saying that the Assad regime has fallen and that Syria has ended with its fall.
09:14Now it is the stage of instability.
09:16What can we expect from the statement of the armed factions is that they will go in this
09:22transitional phase, as far as possible, from a unified position.
09:25It will remain firmly based on a clear regional political decision, whether from Turkey or
09:30from the sponsors of these factions.
09:33This is a new phase, a period in which Syria will witness a different regime, democratic
09:40institutions, and the return of its children who emigrated to all parts of the world.
09:47Therefore, what can be understood are positive messages for the Syrian interior, and also
09:52for the region.
09:53Since these factions began to advance from northern Syria, many analysts have said that
10:00these factions are more like a jihadi project linked to the Al-Nusra Front, and this jihadi
10:05project threatens the neighborhood and threatens Iraq, and it will reach Iraq, and it will
10:10reach Beirut, and so on.
10:12The factions are trying to say that what we have now is one Syrian project, what we want
10:17is Syria for us, for all the Syrians who have spread all over the world, and also for those
10:22who are not with us, perhaps they were not with us for any reason.
10:27Now, as it is said, they are trying to justify even those who were supporters of the regime
10:36at a certain time, that this repressive regime, and this regime that imposed many injustices
10:42on its people now, may be free from what it imposed out of fear.
10:47Therefore, the messages are positive messages, but the hope is that these factions remain
10:52united.
10:54We hope that these factions remain united and do not go in the direction of divisions
10:59and chaos.
13:54I would like to take into consideration the fact that there are many ethnic groups, in addition
14:01to the political, ideological, and ideological references, there are also other ethnic groups
14:07known that in the opposition there are movements linked to the Kurds and Turkmenistan, in addition
14:14to the other social components.
14:18Therefore, there is also another factor that we must not forget, which is the external factor,
14:23which preceded and was a disruptive factor.
14:26Thank you for this point, Mr. Mohamed Al-Amrani Boukhebza.
14:29In order to progress in this discussion, I return to you, Mr. Abdel-Massih Al-Shami.
14:34Do you think we will be able to talk about a political dialogue?
14:41Is it possible to enter into negotiations and to go beyond the divisions at this stage
14:46that Syria is waiting for?
14:49I think there is no escape from that.
14:53Today, what happened and even the issue of giving up power to some extent peacefully in
15:01Damascus, I think it gives ground and can open the door to a kind of approach to the
15:08matter in a peaceful way with the previous authorities or with those who were to some
15:18extent supporting the regime.
15:21In any case, the issue here, we must pay attention to an important point, Mr. Al-Shami,
15:26which is that the decision in Syria does not belong to the factions themselves or to the
15:31Syrians, unfortunately, alone.
15:34And it would not have been possible to enter this opposition with this power, with this
15:40legitimacy and with this ability if there were no external dimensions.
15:45The decision, unfortunately, in Syria is linked to regional countries, to foreign countries,
15:50and it is part of a regional game and a global game that is being controlled.
15:54And I think that a lot of what is happening today is agreed upon.
15:59I mean, it can't be that what happened is a surprise, it's not planned.
16:04I mean, Zata and Sabah woke up and decided to go to Damascus.
16:08No.
16:09The issue, I think, is that there is an agreement between the countries on, to some extent,
16:14a specific map of the region.
16:17I mean, if we want to go deeper, perhaps today, with Trump coming to power, we must
16:23read it according to the context of the negotiations in Syria and in the world, and also the Russian
16:30position and the Ukrainian crisis.
16:33All these things, I think, are included in the givens of the Syrians.
16:39And therefore, there is an agreement.
16:41Negotiations have been made.
16:43Negotiations have been made in other ways.
16:45But this does not mean in any way that the situation in Syria will deteriorate and there
16:50will not be a quick and sound decision to weaken the situation once again.
16:58Especially in Syria, which is practically divided on the ground.
17:03I mean, there is a country that is divided on the ground.
17:07There are also southern areas that are divided and separated.
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21:47The relations of Bashar al Assad's regime with the Arabs
21:51There were not relations of motherhood or cooperation
22:00in occupation according to the unified Arab system.
22:03often hours events.
22:06In all those.
22:09Even she considered as a ESM.
22:12For that ,
22:14Therefore, we can consider that the Arab countries have made great efforts to make Bashar Al-Assad's regime
22:26be part of the Arab branch and be part of the unified position of the Arab countries in dealing with many issues.
22:34But, unfortunately, the position of Al-Assad has always been that he was drawn in the arms of Iran
22:41and we know that Iran has a special agenda in the Arab world.
22:47Therefore, it was not acceptable for an Arab country to be drawn in the arms of Iran in this way.
22:56The same thing may be the nature of the situations after the issues that concern the Arab nation,
23:03the Arab caliphate or the Arab caliphate with other countries.
23:07Therefore, Al-Assad's regime was not part of the Arab branch.
23:14Therefore, we can say that the Arab countries have made a strong message
23:22by taking a decision to cancel the Syrian seat in the Arab League.
23:32However, some countries tried to force Al-Assad's regime to return to the Arab countries,
23:38such as Algeria, which was also a tough situation
23:44because it tried to force Bashar Al-Assad's regime to return to the Arab branch,
23:49despite the rejection of these countries and the fact that the conditions for the return have not been fulfilled yet.
23:56Therefore, we can say that the Arab countries will be required to have a role in what is happening
24:07and not to be out of the process.
24:10The Arab countries should contribute and the Arab League should meet
24:20to discuss this issue and take the necessary steps.
24:24As it was mentioned in the interview with Abdel Masih,
24:29the situation in Syria is exceptional.
24:35Whoever owns Syria owns the fate of this region.
24:39Therefore, the Arab countries should take the necessary steps.
24:48It is also important that the Arab countries work together to protect Syria.
24:56The unified Syria has great potential,
25:01because there are many aspirations to divide Syria.
25:06This may not serve the Arab world, especially the neighboring countries.
25:12Therefore, the Arab countries should work on this issue,
25:16especially because we know that there is a plan to divide the Arab world.
25:23We are suffering from this, as everyone knows.
25:28Therefore, the previous relations with Bashar Al-Assad
25:33make the Arab countries to reconsider how to deal with Syria
25:40and make the Arab countries and the Arab system the main actors
25:47and not the neighboring countries,
25:51as was the case with Iran, Turkey and Israel,
25:56and with the USA and Russia.
26:00This is an opportunity for the Arab world and the unified Arab system
26:05to impose itself as the main actor in this issue.
26:09Mr. Abdel-Massih, in light of the Iranian aggression in the region
26:15and the Iranian influence in the region,
26:18especially Syria, against the will of the neighboring countries,
26:22who do you think will fill the strategic gap left by Iran?
26:28Is it possible for Syria to change from Iranian rule to Turkish rule?
26:36I do not think that the control will be for Turkey.
26:41I think that the control will be for Saudi Arabia this time,
26:47and we can say that Israel will also enter these negotiations strongly
26:54and it will have a great influence.
26:56I think that the Iranian exit is not likely to be welcomed by all the countries in the region,
27:03and the Arab role will be stronger,
27:07but we must say that Israel has also entered the region as a main actor.
27:13It is now present in Lebanon,
27:15and it does not hide its plans to achieve the big project.
27:24Therefore, at least it wants to have a main role in Syria.
27:30As we have heard from Israeli statements,
27:33it will not accept the existence of any regime or any rule equivalent to it in Syria.
27:39Therefore, I think that the main player today is Israel and the Arab countries,
27:45and especially Saudi Arabia,
27:47with the support of the United States of America.
27:52I think that the role of Russia and Iran will end in a very big way.
27:59As it is known, the Turks are not trusted by the United States of America,
28:06or even by Israel,
28:08and their role is not accepted by the Arab countries.
28:11Although today, what happened in Syria is a big role for Turkey,
28:16but I think that they will not allow a big role in the Syrian file,
28:22but this does not mean that they will also leave the equation.
28:27But I think that the control will remain for the Arab countries,
28:32and for Israel in the first place,
28:34and for the United States of America.
28:36But in any case, I think that the issue of division today,
28:40the problem in Syria is that there are divisions on the ground.
28:47If the countries that have always had a role in Syria use it,
28:53unfortunately, this can lead to a chaos.
28:57Turkey occupies areas in northern Syria,
29:00and there is also self-government in the north-west,
29:08in the north-east of the Euphrates,
29:10and therefore we have very difficult trade deals and problems.
29:14Also, in the Iraqi borders,
29:16Iran is still there,
29:18and with the power of Iran,
29:20it has a great influence on the Iraqi state.
29:23Therefore, there may be a big chaos in Syria through these countries.
29:29Therefore, there may be no specific country,
29:35it may have absolute influence,
29:37as was the case with Russia and Iran,
29:40but in any case, the role of Iran is very much in the interior,
29:44and it will not be like its predecessor and Turkey.
29:47I do not think that they will allow us to control the Syrian file as we said.
29:53In our talk about the impact of these developments on the Syrian regional neighbors,
30:00the Israeli army said that it deployed troops in the isolated area
30:06under the supervision of the United Nations with Syria
30:10and in a number of important points in order to defend
30:14the light of these events in Syria.
30:17We have with us Mr. Mohamed Tajdin Al-Husseini,
30:21Professor of International Relations at the University of Mohamed V.
30:26We will proceed in this discussion, Mr. Al-Karim.
30:30In your opinion, what role does Israel play in interacting with all these developments in the next stage
30:38and in light of these recent efforts to unify the Syrian side in this stage?
30:45Israel will certainly be in a great comfort zone at this level
30:51because in a short period of time,
30:54it was able to get rid of the major obstacles that represented the Iranian presence in the region,
31:01whether related to what is happening in Gaza, unfortunately,
31:05or what happened in the heart of Lebanon,
31:08from the killing of the leadership of Sheikh Al-Bilal
31:11and also the deterioration of his position in monitoring the situation in Lebanon itself,
31:17as well as the executions that took place by a group of Syrians in Yemen.
31:22And now the turn has come to Syria, as you can see.
31:25Indeed, a question raised by one of the representatives of the Associated Press in Turkey
31:30in front of the Turkish Foreign Minister,
31:33that is, the question was raised, how was it possible that this opposition
31:37was not able to make any strong change in the region in the past 15 years,
31:44while now it is happening in 15 days or less?
31:48The question is that there is a kind of new system that is happening in this region of the world.
31:55It is a system that supposes an important development for the role of important forces,
32:01especially in Syria, in the United States, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.
32:07But in Israel, it will be more beneficial,
32:10because Jordan has tried to enter some border areas with Syria,
32:16and this is a traditional situation in the region.
32:19But it turns out that this so-called Mohammad Joulani has taken preventive measures,
32:24that he sent a group of fighters towards the borders with Israel
32:29to prevent any development of occupying isolated areas,
32:33or areas that Israel considers as a means of protecting internal security.
32:38Therefore, I think that the situation will change rapidly now in the Middle East.
32:42What should have happened in Syria since the Arab Spring in 2011-2012,
32:48or also in 2016, did not happen, and now it is happening strongly and quickly.
32:55Thank you, Mr. Mohammad Tajdina Al-Husseini.
32:59Let's go back to you, Khaldoon, and these Israeli statements,
33:03and the intensification of the military presence in the isolated area of Joulani.
33:09How can this be explained, knowing that the Israeli army said previously
33:15that it is not possible for the Syrian factions to attack Israel?
33:24It is for the sake of precaution, for the sake of improving the progress in some areas.
33:30Of course, these areas have special arrangements over the past years,
33:36and during the Syrian regime's existence.
33:38Therefore, Israel is trying to protect this area in a certain way,
33:42and there are arrangements and coordination in any case to protect these areas.
33:48However, there is a point that may also witness some developments in the coming days,
33:55not limited to the inside of Syria, I mean specifically Iraq.
33:59Because there is an intervention that was previously carried out on Madinah.
34:03I said that after Lebanon, there will be developments in Syria and Iraq,
34:07and this is what is happening because Iraq is also a very important area for Iran.
34:13The policy that is currently in place to reach the Middle East
34:17is the policy of distributing Iran's assets in the surrounding area.
34:22There may be developments in Iraq, there may be developments in Yemen,
34:26including the loss of the Houthis.
34:27All these files are internal files that directly affect Iran.
34:32There will be a different Iran, as we mentioned,
34:35Iran is the biggest loser in what is happening.
34:37There will be a greater Turkish presence.
34:40There will be, of course, the US sponsor that manages all these files.
34:44But Israel is trying as much as possible to maintain the lines and agreements that were previously.
34:50And it remains vigilant, perhaps, on these developments,
34:54in anticipation of a certain dramatic path.
34:57But I think that the armed factions that have advanced to the overthrow of the Syrian regime
35:02know very well what they are doing now.
35:06Yes, I return to you, Mr. Mohamed Al-Amrani, Mr. Abu Khabza.
35:09This is a statement issued by the Syrian National Coalition,
35:12which says that we have moved from the stage of struggle to overthrow the Assad regime
35:18to the stage of building Syria.
35:20What are the challenges that the opposition is facing
35:24in the reconstruction of the building of Syria, and especially in the reconstruction of the refugees?
35:29There are many files.
35:31It is now on the table.
35:33First, the state's perception in the eyes of the opposition.
35:41Does it have a specific view of the nature of the state?
35:46And especially between the two sides.
35:49We can say that even the leadership of the opposition now
35:53changes its loyalty very quickly.
35:57Even when we talk about Joulani,
36:00we find that he has moved from an organization to an organization,
36:04from Al-Qaeda to Daesh to Al-Nusra to Fatah al-Sham.
36:08And it is a change in loyalty and even in convictions.
36:14So, are we now talking about a state project in the mind of the opposition
36:23that wants to bring it down?
36:25This is the first part.
36:26The second part is the part related to the preservation of the unity of Syria.
36:31Is there also a perception of the countries and parties involved in the Syrian file
36:40about the future of the unity of Syria?
36:42Is it convinced that Syria will remain united?
36:45Or is there another perception,
36:47as it is known, that Turkey is trying to stay in an isolated area
36:53in fear of the return of operations against it by the Kurds.
36:58Then, in addition to this file, there is another file,
37:02which is no less important,
37:05which is to talk about the return of Syrian refugees.
37:10These people, after 14 years, are now in great distress.
37:20We noticed the wave of Syrian migration to the world.
37:24They were not confined to specific places,
37:29because we have seen a large number of them in Germany,
37:33in Europe, in Morocco, for example.
37:36So, Syrian migration or Syrian refugees was a big deal.
37:41If these people return, it will not be a smooth return.
37:46There will be a problem.
37:48Then, the other thing related to the establishment of state institutions
37:54and the provision of basic services.
37:57Indeed, the head of the government addressed a very positive speech
38:02to preserve the capabilities of the Syrians.
38:06But it is known that during this period,
38:09there was a great weakness in the management of these institutions.
38:14Therefore, there will be a need for external support,
38:20neither for construction nor for the return of the basic institutions
38:24within the state.
38:26I apologize to you, Mr. Mohamed Al-Omrani Abu Khabza,
38:31for these moments.
38:33As we can see in these pictures,
38:36the situation in Syria is not good.
38:39The situation in Syria is not good.
38:42The situation in Syria is not good.
38:45The situation in Syria is not good.
38:48The situation in Syria is not good.
38:51The situation in Syria is not good.
38:54The situation in Syria is not good.
38:57The situation in Syria is not good.
39:00The situation in Syria is not good.
39:03The situation in Syria is not good.
39:06The situation in Syria is not good.
39:09The situation in Syria is not good.
39:12The situation in Syria is not good.
39:15The situation in Syria is not good.
39:18The regime of Bashar Al-Assad has been overthrown.
39:23As we have seen in previous episodes,
39:27opposition factions have announced the entry of Damascus
39:33and the overthrow of the regime of Bashar Al-Assad
39:38after coordinated operations and violent attacks
39:44on a number of strategic cities,
39:49mainly Hama, Idlib, Homs and the capital Damascus.
39:57Please, Mr. President.
39:59As I said, the files on the opposition
40:06for the future of Syria are numerous.
40:10The refugees, the establishment of institutions,
40:15the new constitution for Syria,
40:20the organization of these institutions,
40:23the organization of power,
40:25the determination of the form of the state.
40:28There are many things, in fact.
40:31What can be feared is that we are facing
40:38two major challenges.
40:41The first challenge is the unification of the Syrian ranks.
40:45The second challenge is the number of interfering parties in Syria.
40:49Perhaps the question is how to deal with all this.
40:53Is there a real ability of the opposition
40:58to unify the ranks internally
41:02as well as to integrate the other forces in Syria
41:09that are not part of the opposition forces from the north?
41:13The other thing is how to unify these multiple external interferences
41:22which all may fall into one trap
41:27and that is to make Syria a new Middle East
41:32with new jobs and not the jobs it used to have in the past.
41:36What about the interests of the Syrian citizens
41:40and the refugees who are suffering in the Syrian suburbs,
41:45specifically in Lebanon, Mr. President?
41:48Indeed, there are many things that can be said
41:54even about the speed of the situation
41:59because it is the idea that we talk about a lot.
42:04I personally think that it is a way to correct the previous mistakes
42:09that the region made.
42:12One of the major mistakes is the entry
42:17Yes, in short.
42:19of Saddam Hussein's regime.
42:22It was as if a gift was given to Iran
42:25and Iran took advantage of it in a serious way.
42:29We are also talking about the lessons
42:32that the international community can learn from this experience.
42:38I would like to ask my guest a question
42:42about the lessons that the international community can learn from this experience.
42:47I would like to ask my guest, Mr. Abdel-Massih Al-Shami,
42:52after years of this conflict
42:56and these few days that were enough to overthrow Bashar al-Assad's regime.
43:01What are the lessons that the international community can learn from this Syrian experience?
43:09Of course, this is certainly a very important issue.
43:13Perhaps the most important lesson is the basic lesson
43:17that those regimes should learn
43:20in the region that is as similar to the Syrian regime
43:27as the Algerian regime and others.
43:30To learn the lesson that the legitimacy that comes from abroad
43:35cannot be legitimate
43:38and cannot protect any ruler in one way or another.
43:41The legitimacy of any ruler should come from his people,
43:45from his country, from his gifts,
43:48from his relations and his solidarity with his people only.
43:52This issue has been repeated in Iraq,
43:55in Yemen,
43:58with Al-Qadhafi.
44:01Unfortunately, these peoples,
44:04the repressive regimes that we have seen in the region
44:08and which I hope will be the last of the regimes in Syria, Algeria and others,
44:14learn the lesson by returning to the legitimacy of the people.
44:18This is one point.
44:19Another point is that today,
44:22regardless of the external cover,
44:24countries deal with regimes according to their interests.
44:29It is possible that even the major countries
44:32deal with regimes according to their interests
44:37and sell their countries and peoples in one way or another.
44:41However, when the interests of the countries change,
44:44the interests change and the cover is lifted.
44:47It is possible that the regimes will fall to us in one way or another.
44:51Therefore, this lesson should be learned
44:54by these governments and repressive regimes
44:56that suppress their peoples and extend their dealings and activities abroad.
45:03These are two important points in this context.
45:08In addition, it is up to the peoples to learn in one way or another
45:14from the past experience, especially in 2011,
45:17that today weapons, terrorism and internal fighting
45:24cannot lead to results,
45:27can't build countries,
45:29can't build countries today when these groups entered,
45:32despite the fact that it is part of foreign agendas or a foreign project.
45:37However, in this distance that they entered,
45:41in the Syrian distance, in peace and security,
45:44without practicing terrorism against their people and their homeland,
45:50the peoples were able to receive them and deal with them as liberators.
45:55Therefore, today, this lesson for the Syrian opposition and others
45:59who may also think that carrying weapons against the state
46:04and also against other parties from their country and people
46:10can lead to results.
46:13This lesson should also teach them that today,
46:16peace, unity and cooperation in the logic of the state and the logic of the homeland
46:21is the basis and is what can protect the peoples of the countries.
46:25We continue to watch the latest developments,
46:28especially this topic, our viewers, and what has just been reported.
46:32The Foreign Minister of Turkey confirms that the Syrian government collapsed
46:39after the armed opposition parties announced the entry of Damascus.
46:45The Foreign Minister of Turkey said in a press conference in Qatar
46:51that the Assad regime collapsed and the control over the country was changing.
46:56This did not happen overnight.
47:00In the past 13 years, the country has been in a state of turmoil since the beginning of the conflict
47:08with the suppression of Bashar al-Assad and the protests against him in 2011.
47:13The Foreign Minister of Turkey added.
47:16Mr. Mohamed Tajdine Al-Husseini,
47:21you mentioned the Syrian construction bans in the next stage
47:26and one of the main components is the guarantee of transitional justice.
47:31Will we be accountable to those responsible for the various crimes committed during the war?
47:40Is this a new step at this stage or does it not have a previous agenda?
47:46What is happening now is the development of witnesses in this area of the world.
47:52I think that the main reference to identify these issues
47:57may be related to the statements made by Mr. Mohamed Joulani,
48:03who is the president of the Al-Sham Foundation.
48:08Mr. Joulani says clearly that all government institutions should continue their work.
48:15Perhaps this is what prompted the head of the government to say
48:18that we are ready to deal with any party that the Syrian people can accept.
48:24This means that in a short period of time,
48:27there will be a kind of initial cooperation between Mr. Mohamed Joulani,
48:32who is the president of the Al-Sham Foundation,
48:34the current government and the existing institutions.
48:38Today, I think that this new regime has chosen its leadership
48:44to carry out operations in a hotel known in the heart of Damascus,
48:48which is Four Seasons.
48:50And inside this hotel, operations are now being carried out.
48:55But the question is how to deal with all the groups,
49:00including those who are allied with the Syrian regime.
49:03I think that even Al-Ittar tried to convince Mr. Joulani
49:08that this revolution is now dealing with everyone equally,
49:15whether it is related to the Shiites or the Sunnis or the Kurds or the Christians,
49:21etc.
49:23But he insists that it is related to the ruling family.
49:28This is a family that has practiced a kind of political corruption,
49:33etc.
49:35So, from now on, the first obstacles to dealing with this new regime
49:41will appear in Syria.
49:43And I think that one of the major challenges is that Syria,
49:47so far, has been moving in a divided path.
49:50We must know that Turkey has some areas within its borders,
49:55and that Iraq, or whoever is ruling Iraq,
49:58also has ambitions in the Syrian soil.
50:01The United States, there are American forces in this place.
50:05It will not withdraw.
50:07Trump may say that it will withdraw,
50:09but what are the real interests of the United States in this region?
50:13I would like to return to a map published by the New York Times
50:17since the fall of 2013.
50:19It points to the manifestations of division that this region knows from the world.
50:24Libya is divided into three countries,
50:26and many areas, including Syria, are divided.
50:29It is said that Syria will be divided into four countries,
50:32as well as Iraq.
50:34So, is this hellish plan to divide the world region really?
50:39It will bring us back to a new model for the existence of new colonization
50:45as a means of existing in a new place.
50:49But as for the next building,
50:51I believe that important countries may intervene in this process,
50:55not only because of their geographical proximity,
50:58but more than that, because of their strategic importance
51:02and their financial capabilities.
51:04For example, the people of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE,
51:08even Turkey may be eligible for that.
51:11Now, Turkey is trying to play a kind of role.
51:18We noticed that President Erdogan pointed out that
51:22for several months now,
51:24he has been trying to contact Bashar al-Assad
51:27in order to manage the process.
51:29Because in Turkey's opinion,
51:31the situation in Syria was shifting from deterioration to deterioration.
51:38And Turkey felt that the regime was going to collapse.
51:42But Bashar al-Assad, as he put it,
51:45is not trying to deal with Turkey, etc.
51:48But Turkey has influence in the region,
51:51and has complicated relations with the Kurds,
51:53and will be a major player in this process.
51:56Mr. Mohamed Al-Amrani,
51:58I would like to ask you about what Mr. Mohamed Tajdine Al-Husseini
52:02said about the interaction of the major powers
52:05and their role in this new situation in Syria.
52:09In your opinion, how will the major powers,
52:12specifically the United States and the European countries,
52:15deal with the new situation in Syria in both cases?
52:18I mean, if the ranks are unified, that is what is meant.
52:23But if the opposing factions do not succeed in uniting the Syrian ranks,
52:32what will happen?
52:34Mr. Mohamed Al-Amrani,
52:36is it true that the opposing powers now have the decision,
52:42or is the decision related to these powers that we have been talking about since the beginning?
52:50It is clear that the opposing factions have the ability to change their position
52:57according to what these foreign powers have.
53:01So, they have this ability.
53:03So, the external factor remains, which is the determining factor.
53:08Then, the other thing,
53:10since Russia and Iran withdrew from the Syrian area,
53:16things are becoming clear about the future of Syria,
53:22which is now being filled by the Western powers,
53:26that is, the United States of America and Israel.
53:30Then, the other thing,
53:32we must not forget that, as I said,
53:34it is an opportunity not to repeat the mistakes that occurred in Iraq,
53:39especially for the Arab countries,
53:43which have a vision for this area as well.
53:46Yes, I conclude with Mr. Abdel-Massih Al-Shami,
53:49in this point,
53:51what are your expectations for the next stage,
53:53especially in relation to international alliances?
53:58As we hear from political leaders,
54:00whether in the West or even what happened,
54:05also from the leaders of the Doha Association and others,
54:08I think that there will be a period of calm after the fall of the regime.
54:16In any case, it will be very difficult to form a national unity government
54:22that is truly united in Syria.
54:25But I expect that, in any case,
54:28Syria, unfortunately,
54:30may go through a difficult stage before recovering from this fall.
54:36There will be a phase of attraction,
54:39there will be opposition in the interests of Russia and Iran,
54:45which have come out of Syria and the American interests,
54:51and this will not lead to a quick settlement in Syria.
54:55Therefore, there are a number of factors
54:58that, perhaps at the regional and international level,
55:01will not allow a quick political solution.
55:05Unfortunately.
55:07Mr. Abdel-Massih Al-Shami,
55:09the expert in international relations,
55:11thank you for all these explanations.
55:14Thank you also to my guest,
55:16Mr. Mohamed Al-Amrani,
55:18the political analyst,
55:20for joining us on this topic.
55:22Thank you also,
55:24Mr. Mohamed Tajdin Al-Husseini,
55:26the expert in international relations,
55:28for joining us.
55:30Thank you also,
55:32Thank you also,
55:34our dear viewers,
55:36for following the developments in Syria.
55:38Stay tuned on Median TV.
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