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00:00INDIAN CHAMPIONS ROYAL TEAM
00:30India is not ready to accept a three-year hybrid model.
00:33In the last board meeting, PCB had given an advice on a fusion model.
00:36And he is adamant on it.
00:43Jay Shah met the ICC officials and some board members at the ICC headquarters.
00:48But in the picture, Chairman PCB Mohsin Naqvi is not present.
00:53Glad to have you in the show. This is Sports Room.
00:56I am your host, Najeeb-ul-Asnain.
00:58As you know, the Champions Trophy meeting has been postponed once again.
01:05And we don't know what will happen next.
01:08I have with me in the studio our sports correspondent, Shahid Hashmi.
01:11And we will be joined by senior journalist, Chandresh Narayan from India.
01:15First of all, Mr. Shahid, it felt like the time has come.
01:19The deadline has also passed.
01:22The event is so close and no decision has been made yet.
01:25The matter has been postponed. There is no deadline.
01:28The ICC has repeatedly said, in the next few days.
01:31And we are going to play golf.
01:33The Gora Party is still playing golf.
01:35They don't know if they are interested in cricket or not.
01:38And today's meeting, officially, there was no word from the ICC.
01:42Whether there is a meeting or not.
01:45There was no confirmation from them.
01:47This is all a speculation of the media.
01:49Or people are saying that there was a meeting today.
01:52Mr. Mohsin Naqvi was also in Dubai.
01:54Jai Shah was also in Dubai.
01:55Today, he took charge.
01:56All the members of the board.
01:58New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan.
02:01All these board members were present there.
02:03But Mr. Mohsin Naqvi was not there.
02:05Now there is one information, which is not confirmed yet.
02:08Chairman Mohsin Naqvi and Jai Shah have met separately.
02:12And it has also been decided that the three-year hybrid model will be approved.
02:16But there is no confirmed information yet.
02:19This information.
02:20I know this one thing.
02:21That a meeting has been held.
02:22But no source is confirming it yet.
02:25Chandresh is with us.
02:26Let's see what happens.
02:27Let's find out from Chandresh.
02:29Chandresh Vishu.
02:33Chandresh, can you hear me?
02:36Yes, I can hear you, Najeeb.
02:37Yes, Chandresh.
02:38There are talks in Pakistan that today's meeting has been postponed.
02:42Obviously, I would like to know from you.
02:44I would like to know why this is happening again and again.
02:46But tell me that there are also such talks.
02:48That Jai Shah and Mohsin Naqvi have met separately.
02:52Is there any such news?
02:55No, there is no such news in India.
02:59I think that whatever it is, this matter should be resolved as soon as possible.
03:05This matter has gone on for a long time.
03:07And I don't think there is much time left for the Champions Trophy.
03:11Either this way or that way.
03:14This matter should be resolved as soon as possible.
03:17This matter has gone on for a long time.
03:20Chandresh, don't you think that the plan that Pakistan has given
03:23that if you don't come to India, then expect the same from us.
03:27We will also not come to you.
03:28And our matches should also be done in a hybrid or fusion or partnership.
03:33Whatever you call it.
03:34Do it that way.
03:38Pakistan has kept its plan in front of the ICC board.
03:43And now the Indian board has rejected it.
03:47Such news is also coming.
03:48The Indian board has rejected that plan.
03:52Both are right in their own way.
03:54I actually have a different opinion from all of them.
03:57In my opinion, until the entire government-to-government problem is not solved between India and Pakistan,
04:04the government-to-government diplomatic relations do not settle.
04:08Like there was no cricket between India and Pakistan from 1961 to 1978.
04:13I think now the time has come that until that level is not solved,
04:18until both the governments don't want it,
04:20there should be no cricket at that level.
04:23Like there was no cricket between 1961 to 1978,
04:26it should not be like that even now.
04:28But Chandresh, at that time, money did not come in between, right?
04:33No, no, I am listening to what you are saying.
04:36The cricketers of that era were not less.
04:39I mean, you had Mushtaq Muhammad and other cricketers.
04:42We had Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi and Charles Spinders.
04:45They played at the very end of their career.
04:47Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi never played against Pakistan.
04:49Salim Durrani, Farooq Engineer, they never played against Pakistan.
04:52I think the time has come that until this is not solved at the government level,
04:56we should put a stop to it from both sides.
05:00And we just have to wait for the governments to sit together,
05:04discuss, and then come to the cricket field.
05:06I think this is a very long-winded issue.
05:13Chandresh, you have also worked in the ICC.
05:17All these issues, all these stand-offs,
05:20did not emphasize the importance of the ICC's governance being independent.
05:26And yesterday, in the interview given by Bakle,
05:29it was also said that the unity of one country is not right for cricket.
05:34Look, this was supposed to happen in 2010-2011
05:38when Haroon Lorgat, the CEO of the ICC,
05:41he had made a committee of Lord Wolf,
05:45in which he had given a detailed report on governance.
05:48You see, now in Australia, New Zealand,
05:51I think to some extent in England,
05:54and now I think even in the West Indies,
05:56they are going towards independent directors in their board.
06:00I think this is happening all over the world.
06:02They are slowly moving towards independent directors
06:05in their governance structure
06:07so that the state association,
06:09or the provincial or island association,
06:12reduces the struggle.
06:14That is why they are trying.
06:16I think the same thing should happen, but it will not happen.
06:18Because, as Greg Barkley said in his interview,
06:21all the boards are doing it in their self-interest.
06:23And he is saying as the ICC chairman,
06:25I did not know that the Sri Lanka and South Africa series were going on.
06:29You see, during his time,
06:31the FTP was made and he himself did not know
06:33that the Sri Lanka and South Africa test match was going on.
06:36And when Markur Jansen took the lead,
06:39he found out that the Sri Lanka and South Africa test match was going on.
06:42I think...
06:43If you do not have any control over your sport,
06:45then you will understand.
06:46New Zealand is a very sleepy country.
06:48News arrives late.
06:50Mr. Shah, like Chandresh...
06:52Jake Green will come later.
06:53Yes.
06:54Like Chandresh is talking now,
06:55there was a period when Pakistan and India did not play cricket.
06:58We should go back to that period.
06:59But when you promise the broadcasters
07:01that there will be India-Pakistan games in the events,
07:04because those are the matches to earn money.
07:06When money is involved, the whole problem comes from that.
07:09Like Chandresh is saying now,
07:11everyone is looking at their own interest.
07:12So, there is no BCCI against.
07:14And then from 1961 to 1978,
07:16there was only one World Cup in 1975.
07:18At that time, the Indian team was not so good.
07:21Sunil Gavaskar played 60 overs and scored 36 runs.
07:26Pakistan did not reach the semi-finals,
07:28although Pakistan still gave a better performance.
07:31When the World Cup came,
07:32then obviously there was a bilateral match in the World Cup,
07:36India-Pakistan, that was also necessary.
07:38Then when gradually their rivalry increased,
07:40the matches got better,
07:42Sharjah made a big platform for Pakistan and India's rivalry,
07:46and there were very high-profile matches.
07:48Then it was necessary that in the new ICC event,
07:50this will be the richest match,
07:52which will generate the most revenue.
07:54It started from there.
07:55But now, it is really necessary
07:57that the board members sit together,
07:59review the governance.
08:00When these 15 board members and the chief executive,
08:04an independent director and an ICC chairman,
08:07these 18 people sit together,
08:09take such a decision.
08:11After that, there should be a board of independent directors,
08:14there should be 4, 5, 9, 10,
08:16all of them should be from such countries
08:18that do not have much influence in cricket.
08:20They will then make a neutral decision.
08:22Because whatever the board members decide,
08:24they do it for their own benefit.
08:26Absolutely right.
08:27Chandresh, when we talk about India's dominance in the ICC,
08:31and after that, Jai Shah has become the new chairman of the ICC,
08:34do you think that Jai Shah will be able to take care of this,
08:39that now he is the chairman of the ICC,
08:41not the secretary of the BCCI?
08:43Will he have to think about all the other boards
08:46and take everyone along?
08:49No, absolutely.
08:50Absolutely.
08:51And he will do it.
08:52I have complete faith in him.
08:54Because you see, in the ICC,
08:56since he has become the chair of the ICC,
08:59the number of events has increased.
09:01I have never seen so many events in the Asian Cricket Council before.
09:05Now take Emerging,
09:06U19 is going on in the UAE right now.
09:08Apart from that,
09:09there is going to be a women's tournament soon.
09:12There have been a lot of events at the Asian Cricket Council level.
09:16So I think that,
09:17you understand that he becomes a very important person
09:21and I think that he realizes his responsibility.
09:24And he would like to take everyone along.
09:26Because he would like to leave his legacy.
09:28Because he has become the chairman of the ICC at a young age.
09:31So he would like to leave his long-term legacy at the ICC level.
09:36Whenever his tenure ends.
09:40It will be challenging, Jai Shah.
09:42Because of India-Pakistan.
09:44In India, 1.4 billion people will have to answer.
09:47Most importantly, his home minister father will have to answer.
09:52All these things will be very challenging for him.
09:54Shashank Manohar handled it very well.
09:56When Shashank Manohar was the chairman of the ICC,
10:00he never let it be known that he was only representing India.
10:03In fact, there were a few cases
10:05in which India complained to him
10:07that no, Shashank Manohar.
10:08Although, he made a very balanced and good decision.
10:12Jai Shah will have to see this.
10:14India has a lot of money.
10:16If India's team wins the second test,
10:18then it will be world number one in the test.
10:20So when he looks at it from the top,
10:22he should not look at it with contempt.
10:24Look at it with love.
10:25Increase the cricket family.
10:26If the cricket family does not increase,
10:28then play cricket in a few countries.
10:30If one or two more countries are here and there,
10:32then Pakistan's cricket or other countries' cricket will be ruined.
10:35It shouldn't be that you are playing Zimbabwe from Nigeria.
10:40And you are playing Zimbabwe from Guinea.
10:42And it should become a world record.
10:43Yes, it has become a world record.
10:45Chandres, one last question.
10:47You said that Jai Shah would like to leave a legacy.
10:50Pakistan-India cricket should improve.
10:53Or the issue of the Champions Trophy should be solved with a happy mood.
10:56So this can also become a part of his legacy.
10:59Do you think this matter will be solved?
11:03It will definitely happen.
11:05And I think we are close to that solution.
11:09I think it will be a hybrid.
11:11Everyone agrees that it will be a hybrid.
11:14India's matches will be in the UAE.
11:16I think that is the solution.
11:18After that, what will happen in 2026, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031?
11:23I don't think there will be any decision about it now.
11:26Because logically, neither BCCI can write anything now,
11:29nor can any other decision be included in the ICC board.
11:35I think they will say, let's try this after that.