David Kahn, president and co-owner Paris Basket-ball, Antoine Rigaudeau, ancien joueur international français de basket-ball et George Eddy, journaliste sportif à Canal plus, commentateur historique du basket-ball en France sont les intervenants de cette conférence animée par Yann Ohnona.
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00:00C'est la question qu'on va poser, est-ce que la NBA, la fameuse NBA, est-elle un modèle pour le basket européen ?
00:07Et c'est un spécialiste, évidemment, qui va mener les débats, c'est notre confrère de l'équipe, Yann Oudonna !
00:13Je vous demande d'applaudir !
00:14Bonjour Yann ! Grande, grande question ! Est-ce que la NBA peut s'appliquer au modèle européen ?
00:30Le seul fait qu'on pose la question implique que la réponse est complexe.
00:34Évidemment, on a envie, puisque les chiffres de la NBA sont vertigineux.
00:38La croissance de la NBA est exponentielle depuis 40 ans.
00:42Appliquer ce modèle en Europe, c'est compliqué parce qu'on n'a pas la même culture, la même histoire et la même manière de faire du sport.
00:50Donc c'est ce qu'on va essayer de développer.
00:53Et pour en parler, vous avez, on peut le dire véritablement, trois pointures.
00:57On va les accueillir tout de suite.
00:59Allez, on commence par David Khan, président et co-honneur Paris Basketball.
01:07Alors lui aussi, c'est une légende au micro, vous le connaissez très bien.
01:14Georges Edi, journaliste à Canal+, un triomphe s'il vous plaît !
01:19Et puis aussi une légende du basket, Antoine Rigaudeau, évidemment, de l'équipe de France.
01:25Voilà, Yann, je te laisse maintenant mener ce débat avec nos invités.
01:33Messieurs, bonjour, merci d'être là.
01:36Donc je vais vous représenter rapidement.
01:38David Khan, qui est le président du Paris Basketball, qui est en Euroleague cette saison
01:43et qui est un ancien dirigeant en NBA, donc qui a une grande expérience.
01:48Antoine Rigaudeau, qui est le président de l'équipe de France.
01:52Antoine Rigaudeau, que vous connaissez tous, un ancien joueur, vice-champion olympique
01:57à Sydney avec l'équipe de France.
02:00128 sélections, la dernière, je crois, contre l'Espagne en 2005 avec une médaille à la clé.
02:06Donc c'est pas rien quand on est un joueur français avec l'historique qui nous lie avec l'Espagne.
02:10Et Georges Edi, bien sûr, journaliste depuis 40 ans à Canal+,
02:14qui continue à commenter l'NBA sur Canal+, Afrique depuis 10 ans
02:19et qui, par sa voie, mais surtout par son professionnalisme et sa passion,
02:22a lui-même été un vecteur de la culture américaine en France.
02:26Et j'ai commenté tous ses exploits d'Antoine Rigaudeau.
02:30Absolument.
02:32Alors je voulais commencer juste en vous donnant quelques chiffres
02:35qui montrent à quel point l'NBA est un modèle au niveau au moins économique et business.
02:41C'est la ligue de sport où le salaire moyen est le plus élevé.
02:46C'est 11,9 millions de dollars en moyenne.
02:49Et en 2004, on était à 3,9.
02:51C'est juste pour montrer, donner une idée de la courbe.
02:54Les franchises, en moyenne, sont valorisées aujourd'hui,
02:57donc les équipes NBA, à 3,85 milliards de dollars.
03:02Je m'appuie sur ces chiffres, sur le dernier rapport annuel de Forbes
03:06et sur un dossier de Basket-le-Mac que je vous recommande d'acheter.
03:09C'est très intéressant.
03:11Et par exemple, en NBA, vous savez, il y a un système qui est le salary cap.
03:15C'est le plafond salarial.
03:17Donc chaque équipe a le droit de dépenser un certain salaire,
03:20une certaine somme pour ses salaires.
03:22Et bien, en 1985, c'était 3,5 millions de dollars.
03:26En 2025, 140.
03:28Cette saison, 140 millions de dollars par équipe.
03:32Donc c'est des chiffres qui sont vertigineux,
03:34qui se traduisent sur les salaires des joueurs
03:38puisqu'aujourd'hui, on pense qu'il y a des joueurs
03:40qui vont avoir peut-être un jour 100 millions de dollars pour une saison.
03:44Donc c'est vertigineux.
03:46Et à l'opposé, en Europe, on a un modèle économique difficile.
03:50L'Euroleague, qui est le championnat référence,
03:53pour l'instant, n'arrive pas à dégager réellement de profits.
03:56C'est pour ça qu'aujourd'hui, on se pose cette question.
03:58Est-ce qu'on peut adapter, importer ces chiffres
04:01et les traduire en Europe ?
04:03Et c'est évidemment ça que j'ai envie de vous demander pour commencer.
04:06Peut-être David.
04:08Est-ce que tu peux commenter ces chiffres ?
04:10Est-ce que c'est vertigineux ?
04:12Est-ce que c'est possible, tout simplement,
04:14de faire ça en France et en Europe ?
04:18Ok.
04:20Désolé pour mon anglais.
04:22But I want to...
04:24I will speak slowly
04:26and I hope I will be clear.
04:29I think I will.
04:31The big difference between Europe,
04:35European basketball,
04:37and NBA
04:39is that the NBA is organized
04:41around a common philosophy.
04:44How do we make this
04:46the best business it can be ?
04:48In Europe,
04:50there are too many
04:52different stakeholders.
04:54You have
04:56the Euroleague,
04:58you have FIBA,
05:00you have the domestic leagues,
05:02you have national team play.
05:05It's very complicated
05:08but there's no
05:10organizing principle
05:12where all of the stakeholders,
05:14the owners,
05:16like myself,
05:18come into a room
05:20and talk about
05:22how do we make this
05:24the best business it can be.
05:26I'll give a quick example.
05:28The Euroleague
05:30right now is trying to
05:32organize itself
05:34on a more business basis.
05:36But the Euroleague
05:38is made up of 13 clubs,
05:4013 shareholders
05:42and 5 wildcards like us.
05:44And those 13 clubs
05:46and I have said this
05:48to the Euroleague,
05:50they are like 13 nation states.
05:52Finding common
05:54interests,
05:56common objectives,
05:58common goals
06:00is very difficult.
06:02You have language barriers,
06:04you have cultural barriers.
06:06I'll finish
06:08just with this one,
06:10what we call an anecdote.
06:12Two years ago
06:14my partner and I,
06:16Eric Schwartz and I
06:18were invited to go to Barcelona
06:20to make a presentation
06:22to all the Euroleague management
06:24and clubs about Paris basketball.
06:26By the way,
06:28it's Paris basketball
06:30because basketball is international,
06:32it's not.
06:34And I walked into the room
06:36and it was set up
06:38in a rectangle
06:40much like I remember
06:42the NBA Board of Governors
06:44owners meetings,
06:46but there was one difference.
06:48At least half of the room
06:50the people in the room were wearing headsets.
06:52There was not even
06:54a common language
06:56between the Euroleague owners.
06:58And more to the point,
07:00there's not a common business language.
07:02That's a problem.
07:04And that's a problem
07:06that we hope
07:08ultimately will get solved
07:10soon
07:12so that the
07:14value of European
07:16basketball can be unlocked
07:18and become
07:20it won't become like the NBA
07:22but hopefully
07:24we'll be headed in the right direction.
07:30So, Mr. S'excuser
07:32for his French, he spoke English
07:34so he said he spoke French
07:36and said he hoped to be clear.
07:38The main difference between
07:40basketball in Europe
07:42and the NBA is that
07:44the NBA is organized around a common philosophy.
07:46Especially
07:48the question of how we can
07:50make it the best economic activity possible.
07:52In Europe, the problem is that there are too many players.
07:54There's the Euroleague,
07:56there's the FIBA,
07:59there's the national leagues, the national teams
08:01and all that is extremely complicated.
08:03So it's complicated
08:05because there are a lot of players
08:07as I told you
08:09whereas the goal
08:11is to try to have a principle
08:13of organization. That's the goal
08:15especially for the NBA.
08:17It's how to try to make it the best economic model possible.
08:19And currently
08:21for example, the Euroleague
08:23is trying to organize
08:25more on the concept
08:27of an economic activity.
08:29But the problem is that
08:31there are 13 clubs
08:33so 13 different shareholders
08:35and I told them
08:37that it's like 13 different states
08:39and nations.
08:41They have to try to have
08:43common interests, common goals
08:45but it's very complicated because there's the language barrier
08:47the cultural barrier
08:49and now I'm going to tell you a little anecdote.
08:51Two years ago with Eric Schwartz, my partner
08:53we were invited to Barcelona
08:55to make a presentation at the Euroleague
08:57on the Paris Basketball Club
08:59or rather Paris Basketball
09:01say the ball correctly
09:03because if you say basketball, it doesn't work internationally
09:05you really have to say basketball
09:07so a presentation
09:09and I remember going into this room
09:11with this kind of large rectangle
09:13it reminded me a little
09:15of the NBA at the time
09:17where there was the board of owners
09:19and governors of the different clubs
09:21but the only difference is that there was at least half of the people
09:23in the room wearing a translation helmet
09:25because there is no common language
09:27and above all, there is no common economic or business language
09:29and that's a problem
09:31and we hope
09:33that this problem will find a solution
09:35quite soon
09:37in order to be able to reinforce
09:39or above all unlock, release the value
09:41of European basketball
09:43so it won't necessarily become the NBA
09:45but we hope that in any case
09:47it will take the right step.
09:49Bravo
09:51Thank you
09:53Georges, you who have been
09:55a figure in basketball
09:57since the beginning of the 80s
09:59could you compare
10:01the evolution
10:03tell us about the evolution
10:05and the implementation of American culture
10:07in French sport
10:09through the NBA of course
10:11and according to you, is it possible
10:13and is it desirable to push
10:15this adaptation even further?
10:18There is good to learn
10:20in all these different systems
10:22what David is describing
10:24is all for money
10:26the NBA is only for money
10:28the formation, they don't give a damn
10:30and so
10:32for example
10:34the FIBA will not necessarily have
10:36the same objectives
10:38of profitability
10:40even if they have
10:42but I understand perfectly
10:44his position
10:46it is a business
10:48so we are here to earn a lot of money
10:50and at a limit
10:52it has already made the French basketball
10:54evolve a bit since the 40 years
10:56I have been involved
10:58and probably
11:00in a rather positive sense
11:02but in fact what is needed
11:04is a bit
11:06instead of seeing the NBA
11:08as it was for a long time
11:10as an invading competitor
11:12that will come and eat our basketball
11:14our market share
11:16we understood that it is better
11:18to partner with them
11:20this is what happened in Africa
11:22with the Basketball Africa League
11:24BAL where you have FIBA
11:26the NBA and the African clubs
11:28all together
11:30who created a model of professional basketball
11:32that will
11:34positively evolve in my opinion
11:36and this is a bit what happened in France
11:38because it is true that it takes money
11:40to make a professional team
11:42but hey
11:44you have to know how to balance
11:46the different values
11:48money is important but so is training
11:50and this is where the leaders
11:52whether in the league
11:54or in the federation
11:56are there a bit
11:58to find the right balance
12:00in relation to these parameters
12:02yes it is interesting
12:04the history of training
12:06since obviously the differences between
12:08the American and European models
12:10there is the closed league side
12:12business in the United States
12:14and in Europe there are more traditions
12:16and especially we talked about it
12:18with Antoine in preparation of the debate
12:20there is a sort of pyramid
12:22in France, we start from the base
12:24we detect the talents
12:26and it is financed by the states
12:28there are national federations
12:30who have a mission to succeed
12:32to give the same chances to all
12:34and so I wanted to ask you
12:36Antoine to tell us
12:39what do you do about it today
12:41can there be a danger
12:43to want to do too much to the American
12:45and is there a danger
12:47for this European system or not?
12:49No, there is no danger
12:51in relation to the training system
12:53that we have on the French territory
12:55or in Europe
12:57I remind you that the last two
12:59draft rounds are French
13:01so it is proof that the French training
13:03is quite interesting
13:05and of a very good level
13:07there is a real potential
13:09and a real reserve on the French territory
13:11and in Europe to be able to train young players
13:13today I think
13:15that we are the official supplier
13:17of the NBA
13:19we are also the crystal ball
13:21of the NBA
13:23with the players that we will have
13:25in the future, because we are sure
13:27to have players who will be able to play in the NBA
13:29we are
13:31really
13:33at a turning point
13:35on the development of basketball
13:37and especially sport business basketball
13:41as David explained
13:43and as Georges explained
13:45and to bounce back a little bit
13:47what has been said
13:49I think it is really two different visions of sport
13:51we are in
13:53a new European vision
13:55or even French
13:57which is based, as you just explained
13:59on the law
14:01of 1901, associative sport
14:03controlled by a federation
14:05so controlled by a ministry
14:07and where the
14:09leaders historically
14:11are more leaders
14:13who will be leaders
14:15of territories
14:17who will try to shine on the territory
14:19they do a very good job
14:21they work every day with their
14:23territory policies, with their collectivity
14:25with their partners around
14:27a territory
14:29and today
14:31but it is not only in basketball
14:33there are new players
14:35new investors
14:37who are coming, David is an example
14:39who have
14:41a will and a mentality
14:43more business
14:45who consider that sport
14:47is a way to do business
14:49and we are
14:51us, in Europe
14:53a little bit frivolous
14:55and we consider
14:57what these people are doing
15:00to come and disturb us
15:02and I think
15:04we should not be fooled
15:06the NBA is pure business
15:08they want to make money
15:10they are organized for that
15:12and it is a
15:14franchise system
15:16so they pay
15:18something for the NBA
15:20I don't know the details exactly but I think David knows
15:22better than me
15:24and all the clubs
15:26NBA leave
15:28or set up
15:30a commissioner
15:32who was David Stern
15:34who did a lot for the NBA
15:36to develop it internationally
15:38and today Adam Silver
15:40and this person works
15:42with a goal
15:44to make sure that all the NBA
15:46has benefits
15:48and these benefits
15:50are reimbursed to all the clubs
15:52in Europe
15:54and it was very well explained
15:56there are no commissioners
15:58each club decides
16:00what they want to do
16:02and they have
16:04a territorial identity
16:06Real Madrid will defend its interests
16:08Paris will defend its interests
16:10Partizan Belgrade will defend its interests
16:12Fenerbahce Istanbul
16:14will defend its interests
16:16Paris Basketball will defend its interests
16:18basketball
16:20it's true
16:22basketball is what
16:24basketball
16:26and
16:28from there it is difficult
16:30to sell a product
16:32to media or partners
16:34because everyone does a little bit
16:36what they want
16:38or what they want for themselves
16:40and I will add a figure compared to what you said
16:42in your introduction
16:44it's the TV media contract
16:46of the NBA
16:48it's 76 billion dollars
16:50over 11 years
16:52in Europe we are very far from these figures
16:54which does not allow
16:56to answer your question
16:58to pay the players
17:00who make the NBA
17:02product
17:04as the NBA does
17:06we will come to the history of TV rights
17:08I think it's very important
17:10I wanted to add a figure
17:12the training in France
17:14a figure that is transmitted to us by the federation each year
17:16it represents 30 million euros
17:18of annual investment
17:21in France
17:23the detection, the polls, the clubs
17:25it's 30 million euros
17:27David, we had a discussion
17:29to prepare this debate
17:31and you said something very interesting
17:33you compare
17:35Europe
17:37where the clubs are territories
17:39where each club has a culture
17:41we obviously think of the fans of the Belgian Partisan
17:43the Turkish fans
17:45at Olympiakos, Panathinaikos
17:47we see extraordinary atmospheres
17:49in the NBA
17:51and you opposed this
17:53to the NBA where each player
17:55has become a brand
17:57Instagram, commercial contracts
17:59Lebron James' son
18:01he already has millions of followers
18:03on his social networks
18:05each player generates millions
18:07even tens or hundreds of millions of dollars
18:09when they are superstars
18:11it's a major difference
18:13can you tell us about it?
18:15So
18:17it is a big difference
18:19in the NBA
18:21the players are probably
18:23more important than the brands
18:25it is very strange
18:27when you think about it
18:29from a European perspective
18:31but if you think of
18:33the history of the NBA
18:35it was first
18:37changed
18:39by Magic Johnson
18:41and Larry Bird
18:43in the mid 1980's
18:45followed afterwards
18:47by Michael Jordan
18:49I first met George Eddie
18:51at the McDonald's Open
18:53when Michael Jordan and his team played here
18:55that's how long we go back
18:57I was working for
18:59NBC Sports at the time
19:01and there is now
19:03been a continuing
19:05list
19:07of players
19:09whose celebrity
19:11star power
19:13has transformed the NBA
19:15in Europe
19:17the star power
19:19are the brands
19:21there are some very historic
19:23important brands
19:25like Partizan
19:27like Olympiakos
19:29Real Madrid
19:31I don't think that that means
19:33that European basketball
19:35however
19:37cannot succeed
19:39but I think
19:42it needs to be an understanding
19:44there is a difference
19:46and what we should be
19:48marketing to
19:50is the
19:52amazing atmosphere
19:54at the arenas
19:56we played
19:58Partizan a few weeks ago
20:00we beat them
20:04after the match
20:06I had two people come up to me
20:08and say to me
20:10that they had been to many NBA games
20:12but that was the best
20:14game they ever saw
20:16our game against Partizan
20:18now think about that
20:20we're only 6 years old
20:22Partizan
20:24has been around a long time
20:26but the concept of the product
20:28the product
20:30what we produced that night
20:32the value
20:34proposition
20:36for the ticket buyer
20:38for the consumer
20:40these two people said
20:42was higher than any game
20:44they ever saw
20:46and they'd been to many NBA games
20:48so we have
20:50I think some strengths
20:52that we can market
20:54but going back to what I've said
20:56and what my colleagues have said
20:58we have no coherent
21:00organizing principle
21:02no commissioner
21:04no group
21:06of people
21:08tasked with the idea
21:10of building basketball
21:12into a big business
21:14in addition to a great
21:16entertainment property
21:20you don't need to
21:22how many people here really don't
21:24understand what I said
21:26please raise your hand
21:28one person
21:30afterwards we will meet with you in the back of the room
21:32and we will talk to you
21:34you shouldn't do that
21:36I want to make sure that my colleagues have a lot of time
21:38thank you David
21:40this is a man of communication
21:44Georges we have
21:46we continue
21:48we have just touched on the subject before
21:50TV rights I think it's a key
21:52and David we also talked about it
21:54today
21:56basketball in France is the subject
21:58that I know better and valued
22:00a few million euros maybe
22:0276 billion dollars
22:04over 11 years
22:06in the United States it's absolutely
22:08dizzying
22:10what should we do
22:12to have something more balanced
22:14when we see that basketball in the Olympics
22:16is one of the biggest successes
22:18there are 10 million people
22:20at the peak of the men's final
22:22what do we do to value basketball
22:24better in France and Europe
22:26what should we do
22:28well
22:30it's been 40 years
22:32that I try to be the basketball lawyer
22:34for the group
22:36Canal Plus
22:38and it's
22:40a story of
22:42missed appointments, mistakes
22:44strategies
22:46on both sides
22:48to choose wrong certain channels
22:50that had a small audience
22:52but that offered a little more money
22:54that was a mistake that was made
22:56several times
22:58after there is a lack of audience
23:00for basketball in France
23:02which is difficult to explain
23:04regarding rugby and football
23:06because I agree with David
23:08the product is beautiful
23:10and deserves a real TV contract
23:12with big channels
23:14but at the level of lobbying
23:16rugby and football
23:18has always been very ahead
23:20on basketball and its leaders
23:22who made a lot of bad choices
23:24TV also
23:26there were no men
23:28particularly fond of basketball
23:30who were ready to launch the adventure
23:32to invest in it
23:34we had some with Canal
23:36we did it anyway 27 years
23:38with all the baskets it was at home
23:40but in the end the leaders
23:42around 2012 decided
23:44that it was not profitable enough
23:46and so
23:48they stopped
23:50looking for these rights
23:52so the United States
23:54it's a whole other world
23:56it's the competition
23:58between the media
24:00the big channels
24:02the internet
24:04the streaming
24:06it's a whole other market
24:08another business model
24:10specific to the United States
24:12which in my opinion
24:14is not really transferable
24:16as it is in France
24:18but we can improve in France
24:20we can improve TV contracts
24:22but it's a matter of lobbying
24:24to have the right people
24:26in the right places
24:28to make these negotiations
24:30to have interlocutors
24:32who are open to a new adventure
24:34with basketball
24:36because that's what David says
24:38and that's very true
24:40the NBA has a lot of assets
24:42their marketing, their star
24:44the Hollywood system
24:46which sells stars before the clubs
24:48they have a game that becomes very stereotyped
24:50around the three-point shot
24:52they play too many games
24:54to make too much money
24:56and the players put their health in danger
24:58especially the back-to-back
25:00there are too many games
25:02so the NBA has
25:04also stereotypes
25:06too many injured players
25:08because too many games in too little time
25:10not to mention all the competitions
25:12during the summer, the national teams
25:14etc.
25:16so the NBA also has things
25:18to see evolve
25:20and eventually correct
25:22instead of being blinded
25:24by everything for more profit
25:26it's a bit like the American system
25:28or capitalist, it's always more
25:30it's never enough
25:32and there's a time when I said
25:34if you want the player to play all the games
25:36and have a long career
25:38you have to eliminate the back-to-back
25:40and go back to 60 or 70 games
25:42but that would make less money
25:44we can't do that
25:46so you see, it's a question of mentality
25:48for us, it's the opposite
25:50we just want a little more money
25:52and we're ready to make a lot of sacrifices
25:54to do it
25:56and I think one day we'll get there
25:58so there are good things to learn
26:00with the way David Kahn manages
26:02which brings the NBA methods
26:04to Europe
26:06it's a bit of a model to succeed
26:08in a French club
26:10so there are good things to learn
26:12and then there are things
26:14that the NBA should take in Europe
26:16for example, international rules
26:18narrowing the games
26:20the Euroleague style is richer
26:22and more varied than the NBA
26:24so they can learn from us
26:26and we can learn from them
26:28last word, Kenny Atkinson
26:30who is the coach of the NBA
26:32he was trained in France
26:34in Europe
26:36with Paris Basketball
26:38in the early 2000s
26:40and he's teaching all the NBA coaches
26:42by importing the Euroleague methods
26:44I won't go into the technical side
26:46but he started with 15 wins
26:48and 0 defeats
26:50with a Cleveland team
26:52that we didn't expect at all
26:54by making a European style basketball
26:56more collective, more passes
26:58more screens, more movement
27:00instead of just shooting at 3 points
27:02and with a coach that we know
27:04behind the scenes
27:06the selector of the French team
27:08Vincent Collet
27:10who took Atkinson
27:12as an assistant
27:14to go to the Olympics
27:16with the French team
27:18very interesting
27:20thank you
27:22Antoine, could you share
27:24your experience with us
27:26you lived both worlds
27:28you're a double European champion
27:30with Virtus.Ballon
27:32and you played in the NBA
27:34when everything changed
27:36in 2003
27:38Tony Parker was drafted in 2001
27:40that's when the NBA really started
27:42to become international
27:44how did you live it
27:46what do you remember
27:48from both worlds
27:50and what do they have in common
27:52in light of your experience
27:54I think the NBA became international
27:56a bit earlier, in the 90s
27:58then came the internet
28:00social media, Facebook
28:02all that helped
28:04the image and the communication
28:06in the NBA
28:08when I arrived in Dallas
28:10in 2003
28:12in January, during the season
28:14a French guy came to Dallas
28:16and when I went to high school
28:18he asked me
28:20what do you do here
28:22I said I'm a Dallas Mavericks player
28:24and he said NBA player
28:26we always come back to the same debate
28:28the most important
28:30the NBA
28:32the NBA product
28:34and that's a big difference
28:36with Europe
28:38in Europe, you're a Virtus.Ballon player
28:40you're a Real Madrid player
28:42you're a Paris Basketball player
28:44you're a Panathinaikos player
28:46and there's no common product
28:48and that
28:50personally, I don't know
28:52how in Europe
28:54we can have a common product
28:56I think we have different mentalities
28:58with different cultures
29:00different countries
29:02different visions of basketball
29:04that are different
29:06and the NBA
29:08sells a product
29:10and does everything to sell a NBA product
29:12we sell results
29:14basically, the Euroleague
29:16could be
29:18you have to win the Euroleague
29:20you have to win matches
29:22you have to win the Euroleague
29:24and when you win the Euroleague, you're considered in Europe
29:26and on top of that, you sell a result on a match
29:28a strong final, which is extremely random
29:30I had the chance
29:32to play in a Euroleague
29:34and it's the only one in history
29:36it was a playoff Euroleague
29:38and I can tell you, it's much more important
29:40and interesting to play a playoff Euroleague
29:42than to play a European title
29:44on a match
29:46that's a personal opinion
29:48and I think the public
29:50found it much more
29:52so now, yes, there are certainly
29:54interesting points to see in the NBA
29:56we can't make the NBA
29:58we can't copy the NBA
30:00or, the politicians
30:04make it possible
30:06to create
30:08a European NBA
30:10a closed league
30:12which is called
30:14NBA Europe
30:16and which would be managed by the NBA
30:18and now, we're going to get into
30:20conflicts of interest and ego
30:22with the people who are today
30:24but in my opinion
30:26if we want
30:28to go a little further
30:30we would have to have
30:32this round table in 2000
30:34to be able to create this NBA Europe
30:36today
30:38and I think
30:40it's a point that can be really
30:42thought about and interesting
30:44for everyone
30:46if this NBA Europe
30:48makes sure that
30:50all the benefits or dividends
30:52that people could have
30:54swirl around
30:56the base of the pyramid
30:58which is the case in the NBA
31:00if we come back to a very capitalist system
31:02where we want to make money
31:04inside, it's a very communist system
31:06meaning that
31:08the top of the pyramid makes money
31:10and everything swirls around
31:12and everyone gets the money
31:14Charlotte Hornet, which is perhaps
31:16the worst NBA team historically
31:18Los Angeles Clippers too, I don't know
31:20Michael Jordan, we're going to talk about Charlotte Hornet
31:22because Michael Jordan is the owner
31:24he bought the franchise for 350 million dollars
31:26400 million dollars
31:28180 million dollars
31:30and he sells it for 3 billion dollars
31:32so
31:34the NBA
31:36has succeeded in its mission
31:38to revalorize
31:40all these franchises
31:42and I think
31:44we really have to think about it
31:46and it's more of a political will
31:48rather organized by the state
31:50and therefore to have
31:52the agreements so that there is the possibility
31:54to have a private entity
31:56that can create
31:58a professional sport
32:00in a closed European league
32:02football has tried
32:04or in any case some have not succeeded
32:06I think basketball has the possibility
32:08and here we also come back after
32:10it is absolutely necessary for me
32:12that FIBA and NBA basketball
32:14have the same rules
32:16we can't have two sports
32:18in the same category
32:20we can't even have three sports
32:22because today we can integrate 3-3
32:24even if for me it's another sport
32:26but it's still basketball with a finality where you have to put more baskets than the others
32:28and there for the readability
32:30of the general public
32:32we can't afford that
32:34let me just say a word
32:36it would take an intelligent marriage between the NBA
32:38and Europe
32:40if they are in confrontation
32:42it will be the love of the European basketball
32:44they will be eaten by the NBA
32:46but if they make a marriage like they did in Africa
32:48with the BAL
32:50everyone can take advantage of their sense of marketing
32:52and maybe go look for TV rights
32:54and at the same time
32:56the clubs if they stop losing money
32:58because all the Euroleague clubs
33:00lose a lot of money
33:02they are often financed by the football clubs next door
33:04Real loses 15 to 20 million euros
33:06per year, Barcelona too
33:08and the boxes are filled
33:10thanks to football
33:12so it's not at all an economic model
33:14the Euroleague
33:16and that's where the NBA can bring its know-how
33:18while keeping its soul
33:20and there we can have a strong product
33:22just to finish
33:24sorry
33:26it is very important
33:28to find an agreement
33:30between Europe and the United States
33:32so that this possible
33:34NBA Europe of the future
33:36allow
33:38different nations
33:40to continue to have a training program
33:42if not to improve
33:44its training program
33:46so that we have a real flourishing of our French training
33:48if we stay on our French territory
33:50I was just going to add
33:52I'm sorry for
33:54taking your job
34:00this is not an abstract
34:02question
34:04or a panel today
34:06I want to make sure
34:08that everyone understands that
34:10what we are talking about right now
34:12is happening
34:14in what we call real time
34:16the Euroleague
34:18licenses
34:20the shareholders
34:22the 13 nation states
34:24their licenses
34:26expire
34:28at the end of the 2025
34:3026 season
34:32all the clubs
34:34then
35:06or some other new league
35:08that could be established
35:10and so I just wanted to take a moment
35:12to point out
35:14that this is today
35:16that this is all being discussed
35:18inside the NBA
35:20inside the Euroleague
35:22inside FIBA
35:24so it's highly relevant
35:26and we are following it everyday
35:28David, thank you
35:30it's a perfect conclusion
35:32because I think our time
35:34of debate has come to an end
35:36but it's true
35:38this debate right now
35:40and a basketball manager told me recently
35:42that what is currently being played
35:44this year and maybe next year
35:46will determine the next 50 years
35:48of what basketball will be
35:50in Europe
35:52and that's also why this debate
35:54was exciting
35:56thank you all