👉 En una exclusiva, el periodista Rafa Palacios nos lleva al interior del juzgado de la jueza Cristina Pozzer Penzo y expone la crisis que atraviesa el juzgado federal de Goya. Con paros constantes y falta de recursos, incluso llegando a quedarse sin Wi-Fi, el sistema judicial se encuentra en un estado precario.
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00:00For the first time in exclusive information by Rafa Palacios,
00:04the Mafalda house from the inside, the Federal Court of Goya,
00:09says that we have so much, we have...
00:11Look what it is.
00:12Now yes, huh?
00:14Let's see.
00:14We change from humor to reality.
00:16A court that is...
00:17Well, federal justice, right?
00:19In its entirety, it is...
00:22I tell you...
00:22With strikes every Friday, every Holy Friday,
00:27the judges and their secretaries work.
00:31Precarious, right?
00:32The Federal Court of Goya, which at some point has run out of Wi-Fi.
00:36Yes, Rafa?
00:37I tell you, those images that we see there,
00:39that very kindly the high courts allowed me to enter,
00:43I am the only journalist who was able to enter,
00:45this is where the unified command is,
00:47this is what we are seeing there.
00:49And the other image where you see the broken window
00:52is precisely when that famous night in La Odelina,
00:55I was declaring, when they threw stones,
00:57that to this day they could not change the glass.
00:59There we see it.
01:00But they are going to drain the lagoons.
01:02Exactly, no.
01:03You can't change the glass, but they're going to drain the lagoons.
01:07But hey, I wanted to show you this
01:09and I also wanted to explain a little
01:11that the judge,
01:13better said, the high court, the judges and others,
01:15first send them a greeting,
01:16because the people, the player, are always looking alert,
01:2024-7.
01:21Obviously.
01:22First of all,
01:23the greeting, that's why they have also allowed me,
01:26thanks to your participation in the program,
01:28to enter there and so on.
01:30Also talk, you know, about the lack of resources
01:32on the part of the federal justice, right?
01:35And above all, it has been evident in this case.
01:37And the idea of generating a specialized group
01:41in this type of fact,
01:43where it is about minors, he told me.
01:45How many people work, Rafa?
01:47There is a possibility.
01:48So that we all understand, uncle,
01:50how many people work in the Aloha cause?
01:53I don't understand, there is the judge, her secretary.
01:55How many are there?
01:57Let's see, we remember that it has a lot of causes,
02:00apart from the Lohan cause, right?
02:01Of course.
02:02In the federal court.
02:03Because it covers several ...
02:04I think there is a photo where the map is,
02:05there you can see the map,
02:07which covers several localities
02:09in the province of Corrientes,
02:10in the Federal Court of Goya.
02:11And well, in this case,
02:13with the Lohan case,
02:14between 5 and 8 people,
02:16exclusively in the Lohan case.
02:17And well, and the rest of the staff
02:19for the other causes.
02:20We understand, right?
02:22The staff, more or less,
02:24that we have to do this program,
02:26both what we are in front of the camera,
02:28as production, the technique.
02:30We are more than those
02:32who are investigating the Lohan cause.
02:34With this I am not exempting them
02:36from any kind of responsibility.
02:38I mean, they are what they are,
02:39and you have to go deep,
02:41and they have all the resources of the state,
02:43little or a lot, to investigate.
02:45But 5 or 8 people
02:47to investigate the seriousness of this case,
02:51it is little, right?
02:52Especially that they have to deal with other causes.
02:54It is that, precisely, Diego,
02:56that is one of the demands,
02:58in some way,
02:59to have greater resources
03:00by the justice.
03:02Let's see, there are approximately
03:04between 8 and 10 staff
03:06from the Naval Prefecture.
03:07There is not much either
03:09from the Federal Police.
03:10Gendarmerie, perhaps,
03:11are the most, 30 in total,
03:13obviously, who came to take notification.
03:15I mean, there are few resources for this.
03:17That is also why this is shown
03:20because knowing the other side
03:22and all the complications
03:24that arise at the time of investigation.
03:26That is why we insist,
03:28and you give me the right foot,
03:30that there are measures
03:32that are taken, or rather,
03:34measures that are requested,
03:36those who ask are those of the Congress,
03:38the lawyers of the Congress,
03:40which are redundant
03:42because there are no resources
03:44to disperse.
03:46Now, you tell me,
03:48you have to justify the salaries
03:50that you charge,
03:52you have to justify the salaries
03:54that you charge by asking for measures
03:56twice, the same measure,
03:58asking for a measure
04:00and not providing
04:02or doing your part,
04:04for example, taking the dogs
04:06that you committed to take,
04:08taking the specialist
04:10that you committed to take,
04:12while the State mobilizes
04:14a lot of resources
04:17to the people in charge
04:19of the CIFE,
04:21or this body that deals
04:23with the search of people.
04:25I say, we are not at this point
04:27of the party, almost six months
04:29without knowing what happened
04:31with LOAN and where LOAN is,
04:33to waste resources
04:35when there are none,
04:37when the judge has to work
04:39with his secretary on many Fridays
04:41because the rest of the staff
04:43is on strike,
04:45or we received the information
04:47that they had not paid
04:49the services on time
04:51and that is why they had been suspended.
04:55Another important fact
04:57is that they do not have
04:59experts in the technological part,
05:01fundamentally,
05:03in what it implies in this case
05:05with computers and others.
05:07We remember that at one point
05:09computers did not give enough memory,
05:11large memory,
05:14and it is true,
05:16and we also evaluate the measures
05:18that judicial employees sometimes take
05:20because each one defends his job
05:22and it is perfect,
05:24if they have to go on strike,
05:26I do not agree many times,
05:28but because of the function
05:30that federal justice fulfills
05:32and especially in this case,
05:34but each one defends his money
05:36as it seems to me,
05:38there is no one against the staff,
05:40there is none of that.
05:43The prosecutor does not go,
05:45the judge does not investigate,
05:47they fight among themselves,
05:49they appear through the window,
05:51justice has to give an answer.
05:53Rafa, the last one on my part,
05:55could you find out if when
05:57the act of Valdés took out
05:59the flags of the OAN
06:01that were there in front of the square?
06:03Well, I thank you for the question
06:05to clarify. Remember that day
06:07you were with me,
06:09I was in the air,
06:11and I said, I do not know
06:13if it happened or not,
06:15I'm not going to say something
06:17that I can't.
06:19When that situation happens,
06:21you communicate,
06:23they were immediately
06:25sending me WhatsApp
06:27to my cell phone
06:29and they were telling me,
06:31Marcela, who was in charge,
06:33that it was the first day,
06:35the first march was in front
06:37of the police station.
06:39Marcela, who is the one
06:41who puts the flags,
06:43the one who takes out the flags
06:45every day, she communicates
06:47with me and tells me,
06:49send her a message and tell her
06:51that nobody took out the flags,
06:53I took them out because of the bad weather,
06:55Monday and Tuesday it had rained
06:57and I took them out,
06:59I did not take them out,
07:01nobody took out the flag,
07:03I had not put it out
07:05because of the bad weather,
07:07but I could not do it
07:09because it was right in the air,
07:11I could not use the phone.
07:13I make this clarification
07:15because in some media
07:17it came out that people came,
07:19took out the flags and threw them away,
07:21no, they did not take out the flag
07:23or throw it away.
07:25There was bad weather that day,
07:27there was a storm,
07:29there was a storm that day,
07:31when the governor was going,
07:33there was a storm.
07:35And that Wednesday morning
07:37the weather was bad.
07:39She herself told me
07:41that she did not put the flag
07:43because of the bad weather.
07:45Then it was the governor's act
07:47at about 7 or 8 o'clock in the afternoon
07:49where they somehow
07:51manifested themselves and so on.
07:53But the issue of the flag
07:55that you asked me at that time,
07:57I have the message where he told me
07:59no, nobody took out the flag
08:01but we did not put it,
08:03the governor spoke publicly.
08:05I want to make this clear,
08:07and you know who I also deny?
08:09Did the governor speak of the case
08:11recently?
08:13In some media?
08:15No, I'm going further back,
08:17from the tweet,
08:19did Governor Valdés publicly refer
08:21to the Lohan case?
08:23Yes, there was a press conference,
08:25do you remember?
08:27I do not remember, that's why I ask you.
08:29No, that's why, it's a press conference
08:31that put all the resources,
08:33positions and so on,
08:35that there were political parties.
08:37It was a press conference.
08:39Ah yes, but it's okay.
08:41But it's been a long time.
08:43It's been three months, yes.
08:45No, that's why I tell you,
08:47after the tweet,
08:49if you ask me, it's that.
08:51And then I do not remember
08:53the opportunity that was referred
08:55specifically to the case itself.
08:57But I wanted to leave the clarification
08:59that since the first day
09:01when they protested in front of the police station
09:03because the prosecution was not even in court,
09:05we, me and my team mate,
09:07we were there,
09:09we made the notes with these women
09:11and we will continue to be with them
09:13until the last day.
09:15I want to take advantage of this
09:17because they are watching me
09:19and I want to leave this also
09:21well in consideration.
09:23In fact, today at 7 p.m.
09:25there is a call.
09:27In Plaza Mitre, yes.
09:29In Plaza Mitre de Goya, very good.
09:31I'll give you the last one, yes or no.
09:33Do you have news about Camila
09:35and Macarena?
09:37The news
09:39about Camila and Macarena
09:41is that
09:43it is information reserved
09:45that only the judge has,
09:47the minor's advisor,
09:49Dr. Marini and the prosecution
09:51that are not prosecutors,
09:53but the lawyers do not have.
09:55I give you a little advance.
09:57Very soon,
09:59very soon,
10:01Macarena will be cited.
10:03Witness or accused?
10:05Witness or accused.
10:07Tomorrow we will surely continue
10:09with news.
10:11Macarena will be cited.
10:13Rafa Palacios' news.
10:15A big hug, Rafa, thank you.