👉 Sergio Sarria de 41 años desató el pánico en una pizzería del barrio de Núñez cuando irrumpió en el local y apuñaló a su ex pareja en 30 ocasiones. El violento ataque quedó registrado en las cámaras de seguridad del establecimiento, mostrando escenas de horror que impactaron a toda la comunidad.
La mujer sobrevivió con cortes por todo el cuerpo.
"Se trata de psiquiatrizar conductas que son solo delictivas"
"Puede ser un acto impulsivo, por eso después piden perdón"
"Hay que descartar factores orgánicos"
👉 Seguí en Alerta 24/7
La mujer sobrevivió con cortes por todo el cuerpo.
"Se trata de psiquiatrizar conductas que son solo delictivas"
"Puede ser un acto impulsivo, por eso después piden perdón"
"Hay que descartar factores orgánicos"
👉 Seguí en Alerta 24/7
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00:00This man is willing to attack her.
00:03He doesn't mediate any kind of discussion.
00:05He jumps to the show and directly starts stabbing her.
00:09Almost more than 30 stabs on this woman.
00:11This man, who we will also hear in a moment.
00:14Or can we hear him a little bit now
00:15and give way to Rafael Herrera Milano?
00:17Yes, we have Milano.
00:18Why don't we get him out first, because he doesn't have much time.
00:20Let's go with the psychiatrist Rafael Herrera Milano.
00:22Very prestigious.
00:23He even acted, and very well, to achieve a conviction
00:28with another man who has killed by stabbing, Fernando Farré.
00:31Yes.
00:32Well, we're not going to get into that topic now,
00:34maybe in a moment, because Omar Sacar is Fernando Farré's
00:38defender, but we want to get to this case,
00:41this actor man, Sergio Sarriá, who stabbed this woman
00:45with more than almost 30 stabs, who has miraculously survived.
00:49What do Rafael Diego Esteves, Nahuel Suárez,
00:52Carlos Estriones, Lucia Valdi and Omar Sacar do
00:54for Arta24x7?
00:55How are you?
00:56How are you?
00:57Good afternoon, everyone.
00:58Good.
00:59Well, it's manual, right?
01:00That you have to ask for a psychological examination,
01:02that's what the Campagnolo prosecutor did in the last
01:05hours, about this man.
01:07What do you see in this case?
01:08I imagine you have acted in so many others.
01:11In this case, an attempt at femicide,
01:13luckily, right?
01:14A way of saying why, by miracle,
01:17this woman has not died at the hands of this man, right?
01:20Yes, as a first relevant concept,
01:22I think that here what has to be analyzed in this type of
01:25cases is in a longitudinal way, not just transversal,
01:30because many times these acts are preceded by different types
01:35of alarms or indications that, unfortunately,
01:39with the passage of time and the lack of measures,
01:42it leads to the passage of the act.
01:44As a second concept that many times happens and I would say
01:49that almost in the entirety of defense of these facts,
01:54this type of facts, it is about psychiatrizing conducts
01:59that are purely delusional.
02:00Very good.
02:01Very good, Rafael.
02:03This guy is a murderer.
02:04Very good, right?
02:06He's not crazy, he's a murderer.
02:08Guys, I think the doctor out there can agree with me or not,
02:15or correct me, and he's very good because he's the professional.
02:18I understand, Rafael, that if I leave my house with a gun,
02:26that I go to a direction where I know I'm going to find a person,
02:31I jump a meter and start stabbing her,
02:34I think that not understanding the criminality of the act
02:40is nothing, that it is not a violent emotion either,
02:43and that everything is perpetrated to commit that purpose.
02:46Am I wrong?
02:48No, what you say is correct, and I summarize it for you
02:51in a concept of forensic psychiatry that is fundamental.
02:54You have to differentiate the waters in what it is to be vigilant,
02:58which is to be awake, and what it is to be lucid,
03:02which is what is needed to act in the way you say it.
03:06How is lucidity composed?
03:08Of three factors, attention, sense of perception, and memory.
03:14All of that is indignant for the procedure of this person.
03:19Otherwise, there is no way for him to get to the place where he got to,
03:24if he instruments a necessary means for the purpose he was looking for,
03:28and that he alerts, when the police come, that there is going to be a reprisal.
03:34This is like breaking the hypothesis of saying,
03:37no, he was in another place, he didn't know what he was doing.
03:40He didn't know that he had a criminal repercussion, a penalty for what he was doing.
03:45He even apologizes to the woman.
03:47Does this also mean that he was aware of what he was doing?
03:54Yes, he can be aware.
03:56Many times, these are impulsive acts that don't get to go through the inhibitor brakes.
04:04But obviously, they are reflexes, and many times they try to self-rationalize the fact that they committed.
04:13They say, well, I did all this for this, but it's because of this.
04:19And that's why they apologize in their imagination,
04:22they think it's something valid and coherent,
04:25when in reality it doesn't resist any kind of logic or analysis.
04:28That, Rafael, how are you? Carlos Estriones.
04:31It's always a pleasure to listen to you, because you don't have hair on your tongue, and we learn as well.
04:35In your concept, without talking about this particular case,
04:40because you're a professional and you don't do the cause,
04:43but when you have an event similar to this, is the man punishable or not?
04:51Look, here the first thing to rule out, as in any case of this type, are organic factors.
04:58Because I gave you the previous explanation, but maybe we say, well, let's look at this person's brain.
05:07And we find that he has a tumor in the frontal orbit cortex,
05:12and he can't control his impulses.
05:14How interesting.
05:14He's an unpunctual person.
05:16Unpunctual, very clear.
05:18But that would be a violent thing.
05:21Organic.
05:22Of course.
05:23Once all the organic falls, which is studied in depth, some epilepsies can also lead to it.
05:31There, when the organic is discarded from the plane,
05:37it is taken into account that the person did not have any unstoppable impulse that prevented him from going through his consciousness.
05:48In other words, it was a voluntary act, decided and organized.
05:51Look, Rafael, I wanted to ask you if you could give me an answer in this regard.
05:58Is a psychiatric result, a psychiatric expertise, or is it scientific?
06:07I have had to enter into cases in which, I think I know one,
06:13the psychiatric expertise was already issued with a person considered unimputable by official experts, no matter where,
06:24and the report was criticized.
06:27I, without having participated from the technical point of view, that same expertise was carried out four more times.
06:34How crazy.
06:35It's crazy.
06:36Rafael, you know what?
06:38I'm going to take you somewhere else to understand, and it's true what Carlitos told you.
06:46We learn a lot from you.
06:49From what you told us, because you go down to the plane.
06:52The truth is that it is impeccable.
06:54I thank you.
06:55First, how do you follow Adriana?
06:59How does the brain of a person who endured so much time live?
07:04Do you know what would happen in his head?
07:07Or how does the brain work to reach this limit of this violence, to endure this violence?
07:13And how is the POS now?
07:15It was born again, right?
07:16Of course, that.
07:18The POS is, until the day of his death, an indelible mark.
07:24In the best of prognoses, he will be able to do therapy and try to overcome this in the best possible way.
07:32But in most cases, depressions are triggered, post-traumatic stress disorder, psychiatric treatments, and others.
07:42It's very difficult.
07:44But there is a clash between the law and the scientists.
07:50Why?
07:51Because I go beyond time, because I understand that these psychopaths do not heal, it is their essence.
07:59But what happens? There is a common son.
08:03This guy at some point will claim to reach the creature again.
08:09How does that mother say, I don't want him to ever come closer?
08:16The plan is much deeper, Grandpa.
08:18I have no problem saying it.
08:22Here there is an organic, structural and root fault, which is justice.
08:29Because all the mechanisms do not work.
08:33All the prevention mechanisms do not work.
08:36All the control mechanisms that you mention do not exist.
08:40And also, as a counterpart, another topic that is a very interesting topic.
08:47When a woman, generally, I don't make it as a sexist comment,
08:51goes and falsely denounces a man,
08:56they put a perimeter, they give him an antipanic button,
09:01and for that man to be able to go down that path, he is subject to an infernal process.
09:08Yes, it's true too.
09:10It's like Adrian Tenka says.
09:13Look, Luvaldi looked at you to eat your liver, Rafa.
09:19Luvaldi looked at you to...
09:21But it's true what he says.
09:23Adrian Tenka, I talked to him once.
09:27He says, men are in conditional freedom.
09:30Well, but wait, now Lu, logically, you are in charge.
09:34Let me just say something very short,
09:36that perhaps with the severity of those measures,
09:39they will surely harm an innocent man who has been the victim of a false complaint.
09:46As a result of those severe measures, many lives are saved.
09:50Although there are also cases like this woman's,
09:53who, unfortunately, despite the complaints,
09:56well, she got to this situation that has been a miracle for which she did not lose her life.
10:01But, as a result of the severe measures, I insist,
10:05many women's lives have surely been saved, right Lu?
10:09Totally, Diego.
10:10But what I want to clarify is that it works badly at both ends.
10:14In false complaints and in real complaints.
10:17Because the real ones arrive late,
10:19and in the false ones it takes a long time to unravel it.
10:23But I prefer, of the two extremes, the severe, right?
10:28Lu, I think you are in charge.
10:30Yes, no, Rafael, how are you? Lucia greets you.
10:32I fully understand where you are going.
10:34I think it is more to put in check the process of justice, right?
10:40Or understand why justice acts as it does,
10:42which I understand, which was what I said earlier, does not have a gender perspective.
10:45It seems to me, I don't know the percentages,
10:48but I understand that those false complaints by women
10:51are a minority compared to the femicides and the victims, unfortunately.
10:55It is true.
10:56Of all the years, right?
10:58So, questioning the word of the woman,
11:01I think, unfortunately, makes us go backwards with all the women's struggle
11:07and try to get out of a place of victimization.
11:09Because what I was just saying was this.
11:11Many women who do not dare to go to police stations to speak,
11:13who do not dare to initiate a judicial process
11:16because justice does not accompany them,
11:18because sometimes they are alone,
11:19because, in general, there is so much manipulation that they suffer from their partners,
11:23who, unfortunately, have moved away from their surroundings
11:25and do not dare to make this complaint.
11:27As is the case of this woman who was 20 years next to her victim
11:31because she was afraid that something would happen to her, right?
11:34Yes, yes, I possibly take responsibility if I expressed myself badly or not clearly,
11:38but the judicial system has to be adjusted for both extremes,
11:43because the reality is that women do not feel accompanied.
11:45Not at all.
11:46Or if they are accompanied, they are badly accompanied and out of time.
11:50And there is another reality that is also very raw,
11:53which is that of the professionals that we are involved in justice,
11:56we are taken away from work.
11:59Overwhelmed with work.
12:01So, when you go to the family judges and see the experts and what they have,
12:06maybe there is an expert for 4,000 causes.
12:09So, it is materially impossible to see the necessary containment
12:13for this to be handled effectively and quickly.
12:16Of course, this man, I mean, the same justice, right?
12:20From the prosecution, they have said,
12:23I mean, in the sense of a reach, right?
12:25With seeing the images, two witnesses,
12:28it is not that this was between four walls and absolutely nothing must be discerned.
12:32I say, it is clear that this man tried to kill his ex-partner.
12:38What is missing? Why must this woman be subdued?
12:42Somehow a re-victimization, right?
12:44Because she has to give testimony, she already did it in the hospital in Pirovano,
12:48as humanly possible, right?
12:51Because she had received 30 stabs,
12:54but she will be again summoned to declare in more detail and more calmly
13:01about this, right?
13:03That it is clear what happened.
13:05Is it necessary to waste time?
13:07I say, one understands that this man has the right to a defense,
13:11the psychological examination will be done,
13:13but how many resources must be available for a conviction, right?
13:17That it is exemplary and that it does not make, I say,
13:21waste time on society or money, right?
13:25Because we all have to pay resources for something that is clear
13:29and happened in the eyes of everyone, right?
13:32And apart, allow me to add something.
13:35If this person, once the studies are concluded,
13:38does not have any organic condition
13:41or does not have any severe psychiatric pathology
13:45that justifies his action,
13:48it is irrecoverable.
13:50It is the reality.
13:51It is irrecoverable.
13:53One has heard of many prestigious psychiatric studies, right?
13:59Psychiatrists say, for example, in child sexual abuse crimes,
14:04especially that they are irrecoverable beings,
14:07if they deserve to be called beings.
14:09Do you know what I mean?
14:10Maybe a guy who did this is also ...
14:12Now we are going to hear it.
14:15No, no, no.
14:16The question was simple.
14:18Is this man irrecoverable?
14:21If all organic cause is excluded
14:24and all serious psychiatric cause,
14:26read psychosis,
14:28and it is purely a personality disorder,
14:31as psychopaths with narcissistic traits are usually,
14:34he is an irrecoverable person.
14:36Do not doubt.
14:37Totally.
14:38But not only because of the characteristics of his personality,
14:42but because there are no devices that take care of correcting it,
14:47containing it, controlling it or following it.
14:50This is the same ...
14:52I support a lot what the doctor says.
14:55Because this is scientific, not law.
14:59From the law one can say a thousand things.
15:04But the judge supports himself.
15:06The assistants of justice in this case,
15:08for example, Rafael Milano.
15:10But not always.
15:11And this is scientific, man.
15:13This is scientific.
15:15The guy who plans and goes ahead,
15:19act of wanting to kill a person,
15:22whether it's a man or a woman, it does not matter.
15:25That guy is irrecoverable.
15:27You are not defending yourself from a robbery.
15:29It's not that they came, they attacked you, you defended yourself and killed.
15:32I can understand a thousand things.
15:34But if I grab a gun,
15:37I take the job and go to your house,
15:39I wait for the job to come out of the channel,
15:41I wait for you and I give you three stabs, man.
15:43Yes, but that ...
15:44Is that forbidden?
15:45I ask justice to draw.
15:47Penalty in maximum expectation,
15:4815 years, can access benefits,
15:51having committed a attempted femicide?
15:53Let's see, of course.
15:55What do you call benefits?
15:57An early release.
15:59Transition.
16:00An early release.
16:01Conditional freedom, yes, yes, of course.
16:02At 10 years.
16:03At two thirds of the sentence.
16:05Article 14 allows ...
16:08If they give you the maximum, if they give you the maximum.
16:10We can listen to this man.
16:12We don't listen to him yet.
16:14Look how he spoke.
16:15Before becoming a potential femicide.
16:19Look.
16:23Hi, I'm Sergio Sarria, creator of Inutil Data.
16:26Maybe you remember me from videos like
16:28What is the life of Nico from Brigada Cola,
16:30Paolo the Rocker, Randolph McLean.
16:33And as you know,
16:35I'm not uploading videos.
16:37But hey, wait and go see the old videos.
16:40Arre.
16:43Well, of course.
16:44Do you name Nico from Brigada Cola?
16:46Bring the bucket, bring the bucket.
16:48I think there is an abyss.
16:50This is not an actor, this is anything.
16:52This is a character.
16:53Who can see this stupidity of this killer,
16:55of this possible, or in the degree of attempted murder?
16:59Are you loading me?
17:00See this criminal,
17:02with this stupid performance he was doing,
17:04pipipipipipi.
17:05Someone could see it?
17:06For a performance we can not dictate
17:08Do you realize?
17:10Is it a femicide?
17:11No, of course not.
17:12Stop, stop, stop, stop.
17:13For a video.
17:14Do not define the actors.
17:15The actors in principle.
17:17There are many explanations.
17:19No, no, Shaker, no, neither.
17:21What I'm going to do is the following.
17:23I do not judge them for the video they made.
17:26I am not someone to judge the content of a person.
17:30Yes, I am convinced that this guy is a murderer.
17:36Yes?
17:37Convinced.
17:38As much as he has achieved or not his end,
17:41he is a murderer.
17:42When he comes out free ...
17:45He will fulfill what he started, clearly.
17:47Well, but the court has to review
17:49if there were psychiatric antecedents,
17:50if he was under some kind of treatment,
17:53in addition to the expertise.
17:54Do not you wonder, Rafael, to this man
17:57when he goes to the psychiatric expertise?
18:00Generally, the first step,
18:02at least that I always try to give,
18:04is the organic.
18:05Discard that.
18:07Then you see, obviously, the antecedents.
18:09There are criminal antecedents, psychiatric antecedents.
18:12If he has current psychiatric treatment,
18:14if there are antecedents in the family
18:16of psychiatric pathologies.
18:18And then you start to dig a little more
18:21in the fact itself,
18:22in what the relationship of the couple was like,
18:24how he handles tolerance, frustration.
18:27If he is an impulsive person or not.
18:29And it also depends on the modus operandi of the fact.
18:32There is no cassette.
18:34There he said it.
18:35That's what I want to point out.
18:37It's not the same, it's not the same.
18:40I speak from ...
18:43And sorry, Rafael, I speak from journalism.
18:47Out there to make many notes with criminals.
18:50The criminal tells you, for example,
18:52the one who is going to shoot you, a psychiatrist
18:54who is going to shoot you is one thing,
18:56and another is a person who is going to stab you.
18:59They are different cases.
19:01The one with the knife, the one who is going to stab you,
19:04clearly feels your death.
19:08I don't know if you understand what I mean.
19:10Yes, yes, yes.
19:11The one who grabs a knife and stabs someone,
19:16feels the death of the person in front of him.
19:19The one who shoots a firearm, clearly not.
19:21It's a second.
19:23Yes?
19:24It's much more dangerous.
19:26For me, it's much more dangerous.
19:28Ask me, the point is good.
19:30Ask him.
19:31Rafael, is there a difference,
19:33I mean, taking it to the extreme,
19:35between a hitman and a potential femicide
19:38that stabs his partner?
19:40What happens is that if it is a hitman,
19:42the hitman is a person who works on that.
19:45Of course.
19:46It's one more person.
19:47It's something arranged.
19:48It's that person's job.
19:50And very possibly,
19:51he doesn't have any type of pathology
19:53or structural alteration of his personality.
19:55Now, in this type of picture,
19:58like the femicides,
20:00with this particular modality,
20:02or the people who, well, it's very crude,
20:05but there was a case of media transcendence
20:07that set fire to the woman,
20:09are very serious disturbances of the personality,
20:14but that do not prevent understanding
20:18the criminality of the act
20:21nor direct the actions at the time of the crime.