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00:00Yes, welcome to the show.
00:02Sir, there is one thing, till yesterday everyone was saying that the talks are being held at different levels.
00:07Now everyone is saying that the talks are not being held.
00:09In fact, when I asked Mr. Rana Sinhaullah, he also told me at what level the talks are being held.
00:13Please listen.
00:16At what level the talks are being held?
00:18It is at the same level as Ali Ameen Ghandapur's level.
00:22What is that?
00:23What is his level?
00:24Whatever his level is, you can estimate it.
00:27What can be Ali Ameen Ghandapur's level?
00:30The talks are being held at that level.
00:32At the level at which the talks are being held, there cannot be more talks than this.
00:35And this talk will not go beyond that level?
00:37This is what is being discussed.
00:38No, the talk that you have referred to in your question, that talk is not being held.
00:47Okay, the question is left.
00:48In the question, I told him that there are three levels to talk to the establishment.
00:52Either there is a sector commander or there is a DGC.
00:55And if it is a very big thing, then the army chiefs talk about it.
00:58He said that the talks are being held at the lowest level.
01:01That is, the talks are being held at the sector commander level and will end.
01:04But he said that talks are being held.
01:06The rest of the people also said.
01:07Today everyone is saying that talks are not being held.
01:09So what happened suddenly in the last 24 hours?
01:13That everyone is saying that no talks are being held.
01:15Everyone is saying that let them come, we will see.
01:17Khan Sahib is saying that you should at least leave the under trial prisoners so that the talks go ahead.
01:24Is the government now wasting an opportunity?
01:27There is an opening to not create tension.
01:30My dear brother, today you are doing a little selective reading.
01:35You are reading Khan Sahib that please do this much under trial prisoners.
01:42This is a reasonable thing anyway.
01:44If you want to show softness, then like you quoted the example of Dr. Jasmine Rashid.
01:50It becomes a perfect example.
01:52It becomes a humanitarian ground.
01:54But having said that, you are just disregarding that part.
01:58They are doing the same thing that don't go towards prayer.
02:01They say that the person who subverted in today's statement,
02:06he wants to tell who has all the power and authority.
02:10And after saying this, in the evening you are giving a videotape and saying that I forgive you.
02:17This does not happen.
02:19Today you are blaming me yourself.
02:22And the lady is saying in the evening that we will not take revenge.
02:26So is there no clarity?
02:29There is no clarity.
02:31I am asking you politely, please listen to me.
02:35I am ready to fall at your feet.
02:38Please consider my white hair.
02:40This is very very ill-advised release of video.
02:43And very badly crafted statement.
02:46Now the second thing is that these people who are wheels into wheels,
02:51you and I know very well.
02:53You will remember that when these talks of Nawaz Sharif Sahib were happening,
02:59then I started writing that someone is about to fly, about to fly.
03:04And many of my friends used to say that where are you from?
03:08I was too sure because I was an active reporter.
03:11As Vikas Sheth said,
03:14it always happens that after a year or a year and a half you try that it is enough.
03:18See, the first week of October,
03:22your last five days were wasted, economically speaking.
03:26Now the third week of November.
03:29So this is a non-stop cycle that is going on.
03:33So obviously sanity demands,
03:36that somehow finish it.
03:38It is not possible that they sit and give one more final call,
03:41give one more call.
03:43In that regard, there must have been a movement from wheels into wheels.
03:47So now you can see that the establishment is more strict.
03:51I think that the attitude is more strict,
03:55that from where the feelers had gone,
03:58See, you are forgetting one thing from Shahbaz Sharif Sahib,
04:03whether you call it 1945 or 1947,
04:08when Shahbaz Sharif, the Prime Minister,
04:11is cut and given a message in a very painful way in front of the people,
04:16otherwise they usually throw the mic on their foreheads,
04:19and such constitutions etc.
04:21Those poor people are saying that no,
04:23sit down to fight for the economy, you know.
04:26So technically speaking,
04:28the Prime Minister has been asked to vent his anger.
04:33Imran Khan is present.
04:35That thing is present.
04:37Imran Khan himself is saying that
04:40you can have a conversation,
04:42at least leave the under-trial prisoner.
04:45He himself is giving you a way, Imran Khan.
04:48Because he is in a position of...
04:50No, but Malik, because he is in a position of strength at the moment.
04:55The opposition has nothing to lose.
04:57Government has everything to lose.
05:25Shahbaz Sharif Sahib, what do you have to say?
05:27Find one and you will get a thousand.
05:29There is no such problem.
05:30Find one and you will get a thousand.
05:32And brother, if not Zafarullah Jamali,
05:34Shaukat Aziz will come.
05:35What is this?
05:36Okay.
05:37But I am just saying...
05:39The system will continue to run like this.
05:40I think that after today's statement,
05:43the things that we were seeing as ease-out,
05:46I personally think that
05:48because of this ill-advised statement,
05:51things will get worse.
05:53Kashif.
05:55My wife.
05:56Look, 24...
05:57Now, what is being said,
05:59Jihad is there,
06:00Hatmi is there,
06:01read the funerals.
06:03Look, now the government has to try to crush it.
06:07Not just to stop it,
06:08they will try to crush it,
06:09that there is no Islamabad.
06:10As the strictness increases,
06:12at that time,
06:13the space in the system decreases,
06:15in any kind of conversation,
06:16in the case of issues.
06:17I agree with you completely,
06:18that this has just happened.
06:19It has been 8 months,
06:209 months for this government.
06:21And it seems that
06:22every next month is difficult.
06:23When I spoke to you during the break,
06:25you said that
06:263-4 weeks will pass.
06:27I said, if 4 weeks pass,
06:28then it will be 9 months.
06:29Then?
06:30Still, we will have to find a solution to these things.
06:33Because if you do this,
06:35it is not acceptable
06:36to be the leader of the Jamaat.
06:38Your last 30 seconds.
06:43Look, Malik,
06:44this has been decided,
06:46I think,
06:47from 2013 onwards,
06:48that now the hybrid system
06:50will work.
06:51It can be a hybrid plus,
06:53but not a hybrid minus.
06:55So now you should learn
06:57to live in a hybrid system.
06:59If you and I...
07:01How else can we learn?
07:03Today they have given such an open statement
07:05that there is nothing with institutions,
07:07everyone will come and live together.
07:09What else do we have to learn from this?
07:12What do you want?
07:13Will you know?
07:14I am saying,
07:15what else is a hybrid system?
07:18You are saying,
07:19let's go.
07:24Let's go, let's go.
07:25It will be a hybrid plus.