Every November the motorcycling world turns its attention to Milan, Italy. Why? EICMA! That's why. EICMA a massive motorcycle show where most of the world's motorcycle manufacturers introduce new and updated models. This year's show produced new nearly 100 new models. Editor Adam Waheed, In-Market Editor Bradley Adams, and Executive Editor Justin Dawes talk about the show's standout machines.
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00:00Welcome to the Motorcyclist Podcast. This is where we talk about motorcycles and what makes them great.
00:07Topics on this podcast are constantly going to change, but the one thing that's always going to remain is two-wheeled fun.
00:13In this episode, we're talking about EICMA 2024.
00:16This is the biggest motorcycle show of the year.
00:20Every year, it's held in Milan, Italy in the first week of November, traditionally.
00:24It's where manufacturers usually choose to show off their newest motorcycles, concepts, and technologies.
00:32This year, there were nearly 100 introductions, new models, updated models, concepts, new technologies, as we said.
00:41On this podcast today, we're going to talk about new models that really made an impact, that really made a splash.
00:50Next week, we're going to talk about concepts, which also made a big splash.
00:54This week, new models, what made a splash, what's different, and what we like about them.
00:59Let's start off with some introductions.
01:01We've got Adam Wahid. He's the editor of Motorcyclist Magazine.
01:05We've got Bradley Adams. He's the in-market editor for Cycleworld.
01:08You've got me, Justin Dawes. I am the executive editor of Cycleworld Magazine.
01:14When we start this off every week, we're going to talk about what we're riding, just so you can know what we're doing week to week.
01:19Adam, what have you been riding?
01:21Lately, Justin, I've been riding that Bayer 650 Scrambler from Royal Enfield.
01:25Great little bike, super affordable, easy to ride, and it does it all from the street to a little bit off-road.
01:33Nice. Do you have a review up on Motorcyclist online yet for that?
01:39Yeah, we have our initial everything you need to know about the Royal Enfield Bayer 650,
01:44which just covers the high features and benefits of that product.
01:47We're going to have a more in-depth review here shortly and probably some ancillary reviews on that vehicle as well.
01:53Yeah, it's a great bike. Check it out.
01:55If you're looking for a Scrambler-style motorcycle that's really affordable, you should check out that Bayer 650.
02:00It's a good-looking bike. I think it's one of the best-looking Royal Enfields.
02:04That's saying something because they've got cool bikes.
02:07Bradley, what about you?
02:10A couple things lately, but the one that I spent the most time on recently was Indian 101 Scout,
02:16kind of one of my favorite mid-displacement cruisers this year.
02:20I'm really liking that thing.
02:23It's so funny because we've also got a Harley-Davidson Sportster S parked in the office,
02:29and then seeing that 101 Scout come in, I was like,
02:32this was the kind of middleweight performance cruiser we've been looking for.
02:36Yeah, I really enjoyed the time on that thing.
02:39Really good-looking bike with just enough performance on it, so you can still have fun on a cruiser.
02:44It's got the cruiser vibes to it, but with a little bit of performance, which you know I love.
02:49That's been the standout for me lately.
02:52Yeah, our sport bike guy is turning into a cruiser guy somehow.
02:56It's very strange.
02:57Funny how that happens, yeah.
03:00Also, he's got his review already up on CycleWorld.com, so you can go check it out there.
03:05For myself, I was just at the MotoADV Fest in Julian, California,
03:13and we were kind of like a little bit of a guest of honor there with our Suzuki V-Strom project from CycleWorld.
03:20So I rode that there, that's the last thing I rode,
03:24which is a completely ridiculous V-Strom 800 with way more suspension travel.
03:29It's basically a big dirt bike, and it's ridiculous, and it's really fun.
03:32And if you want to read about that, it's on CycleWorld.com as well.
03:36We have a full race build, a full race story.
03:39We raced it in a rally in Mexico, and it's a lot of chaos, and it's worth a watch.
03:45And some other people got to throw a leg over that thing, right?
03:48Which was the first time anyone else got to ride that bike.
03:51Actually, the second person to ride it was Chase, who is the Suzuki PR contact,
03:58and he has his own V-Strom 800.
04:02And he went riding with me, and we switched bikes, and he got off and was blown away.
04:05And he's like, I got to figure out how to get Japan here to ride this thing,
04:08to understand we need a V-Strom rally.
04:11So maybe we can help everyone get a super gnarly Suzuki adventure bike at some point.
04:19That's so cool.
04:20Yeah.
04:21That'd be awesome.
04:22But on that note, now we got new bikes.
04:24Speaking of new bikes, right?
04:26Yes.
04:27Let's start off with Ducatis.
04:30There's been much gnashing of teeth and clutching of pearls from the Ducatistes
04:34about this new V2 engine and two new V2 models, the Panigale V2 and the Streetfighter V2.
04:44Yeah, and I think it's been an interesting year for Ducati,
04:47because going back, I got to ride Panigale V4 a couple months ago,
04:52double-sided swingarm, full new look on that.
04:56And now you're bringing a lot of that into this new Panigale V2.
05:00It's really interesting.
05:01I think we're seeing a trend, right, in the sport bike space toward,
05:06they're calling them next-gen super sports.
05:09They're calling them next-gen super sports.
05:11But in this case, what Ducati is doing is trying to build a more affordable sport bike,
05:16something that's a little bit, I don't know, I guess soft around the edges in some ways.
05:20It's a little bit more street-oriented.
05:23And that starts kind of with a smaller displacement engine, right?
05:26Yeah.
05:27So a smaller displacement engine with less horsepower also and less torque.
05:34So another like, oh, what is Ducati doing?
05:38But this 890 CCV twin that they've built is, you know, it's one way to get around emissions.
05:45It's one way to lower the costs.
05:47It's one way to reduce maintenance costs, because it does have spring valves instead of Desmo,
05:51which is another big change.
05:53So while it's kind of following the concept of less expensive, more affordable, softer sport bikes,
06:03I don't think they went all the way like everyone else does.
06:07It's still a Panigale, and it's still a Streetfighter.
06:10Yeah, it will forever be tough for Ducati to ever get away from that.
06:15I mean, there's always going to be some underlying performance to those motorcycles.
06:19And so, yeah, let's look at the numbers based on my notes.
06:22So 120 horsepower versus 155 on what is essentially now the previous generation V2.
06:29But Ducati says, what, 70% of peak torque is available from 3,000 RPM.
06:36So really, that's where you're going to see that street-oriented feel of that bike.
06:42And yeah, let's see, 80% of peak torque across 7,000 RPM.
06:48So you really can see what they're trying to do with that engine, right,
06:52and make this a bike that's going to be a lot more flexible and easier and better solution for street riders.
06:57While still having some track performance to it, obviously.
07:03I will say, the other thing that they said, and I don't have this in the notes here,
07:08but I remember going back and studying for some of the content we were doing before,
07:11and they said they did take the thing to the track, obviously, in the testing,
07:15and it was like two-tenths of a second slower than the previous gen.
07:20So obviously, you look at the big horsepower difference on the bike,
07:23and you look at what they've done and try to soften the package a little bit.
07:26But at the same time, they're suggesting, essentially, that they still go to the racetrack with it
07:31and be really close to what the previous gen was.
07:34That's a cool claim.
07:36Yeah, best of both worlds, hopefully, right?
07:39Yeah, I mean, and when they go racing with it, obviously, they're going to pump it up to 11,
07:44and it'll still be as fast, and it'll be way lighter.
07:47Yeah, that's the other thing we haven't really talked about, is the weight on the bike, which is significant.
07:53Yeah, what, 34 to 37 pounds lighter on the Panigale?
07:58Yeah, 30.
07:59Based on the math that I've seen, so they only measure them wet weight, no fuel,
08:05and so you have a V2 and a V2S.
08:07The V2S gets the Ohlin suspension.
08:10It gets the lithium battery in it and a single-seat setup, so no passenger accommodations.
08:16And the range compared to the current gen is 30 to 37 pounds lighter,
08:22whether you're on the base or with the S model, so significant, significant change there.
08:28I think the engine itself, and go back to the notes, the engine is 21 pounds lighter than the SuperCadro 955.
08:35Yeah.
08:36That's significant.
08:38Yeah, that's a lot of metal removed, for sure.
08:42So, well, you're always one to comment on looks and how things look.
08:47What do you think this new Panigale looks like?
08:49Do you like it? Do you not like it?
08:51I kind of like it not having so many wings on it, but…
08:54Yeah, I think it looks neat.
08:56It kind of follows along the lines of the 950 Supersport, in my opinion, a little bit, with the face.
09:03A little softer edges, but I like it.
09:06I like it, but at the same time, it doesn't really wow me at all,
09:10but it kind of follows their design language from the 950 Supersport, I think, and yeah, it's okay.
09:18You know, the old bike was pretty old-looking, so it's cool that they're doing something new.
09:23Yeah, definitely.
09:24The other bike had definitely the previous generation Panigale look to it.
09:29So, I don't know.
09:31I think it looks nice.
09:33I will say two things on the looks.
09:35The first is that you can, on the opposite…
09:38This is just a complete opposite side of the spectrum from KTM, which we saw their RCHC concept,
09:43and it just lines everywhere on that thing, right?
09:46And it seems like Ducati's, they're a lot more muted.
09:49It's a lot more rounded surfaces and things, it seems like.
09:52The other thing I will say is that, again, I got to go ride the Panigale V4 about a month or two back,
09:58and it looks so much better in person.
10:02Really good-looking motorcycle in person.
10:04So, I think that you're going to kind of have that same thing with this V2 because the looks are really similar.
10:12Electronics-wise, it's got tons of stuff,
10:16but what it doesn't have is the Ducati vehicle observer like on the big bikes.
10:21Probably doesn't need it, but wondering if that was just a cost-cutting measure
10:26because this bike, you know, it is a less expensive Ducati super bike or super sport bike.
10:36It's almost $3,000 less than the current gen.
10:42Yeah, that's a huge difference.
10:44So, you've got a cheaper bike.
10:46You've got something that's probably more comfortable to ride, much lighter.
10:50Maintenance is better.
10:51It's got 18,000-mile valve intervals.
10:54Not quite the same as the Gran Turismo V4 that's in the Multistrada, which is like 36,000 miles,
10:59but without that Desmo, you get a long service life.
11:04I mean, it all makes sense to have a very affordable Ducati sport bike experience, in my opinion.
11:12Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
11:14Obviously, we saw the YZF-R9 recently, and I think you're just seeing the evolution of that super sport category,
11:20and this is kind of where we're at now.
11:22Yeah, so that V2 is basically $16,000, and then the V2S is right at $19,000.
11:29It's like $18,995,
11:31whereas the current gen is $18,795.
11:35So, you're getting the S model with the suspension and stuff for essentially the same price as what the previous gen is,
11:41and then, yeah, you're saving about $3,000 going with the base model.
11:46So, yeah, pretty cool.
11:47All the old owners are going to be a little upset over that, I'm sure.
11:52Yeah, you're probably right.
11:55Yeah, that might make the used market tough, right?
11:58You're going to go, hey, I'm going to sell my previous generation V2, but I want more money than what a new one is going to cost.
12:05That might be a tough thing for them.
12:09But also, Ducati owners, man, for the most part, they love their motorcycles,
12:14and they're willing to not worry about the price as much as maybe other owners, right?
12:23If you're striving to aspire to own a Ducati, you're good with the price, usually.
12:31Totally.
12:32Yeah, I agree.
12:33I will say one of the big trends I've seen recently is this trying to build out the middle area of a manufacturer's lineup
12:44to get people in, you know, entry-level and middle displacement machines,
12:49to get people into the lineup and make sure that they're into the brand and then they can move up through the brand that way.
12:57I think that seems like what Ducati is really trying to do here is get people back into that Panigale lineup,
13:02into their sport bike lineup, and then they've obviously grown into the V5.
13:07Yeah.
13:08So speaking of more accessible and more comfortable, that takes us to the Streetfighter version, the V2 Streetfighter.
13:15So basically, you know, it's got some changes to the geometry.
13:22Obviously, it doesn't have a fairing, but I think it looks pretty rad.
13:27Like, that's more my style.
13:29I'm not a super track kind of guy, but I do love a high-performance naked.
13:36Yeah, and cheaper than it was before, right?
13:40I can't remember.
13:41I think the actual gap between Panigale and Streetfighter is now larger in terms of pricing.
13:47Like, the Streetfighter is even cheaper.
13:49$15,000 for the Streetfighter V2.
13:53And then, let me see my notes, $18,000.
13:57$17,995 for the V2S, whereas the current-gen Streetfighter V2 is $18,200.
14:03$18,195.
14:05Yeah.
14:06Big cost savings.
14:07Big price difference.
14:08Yeah.
14:09It's cool Ducati's trying to make these things more affordable for once, you know?
14:13Going in the right direction instead of the opposite direction, at least with these models.
14:17With these models.
14:18I mean, Ducati's always known to have, like, special editions that are, you know, super expensive, relatively.
14:27But you're paying for the exclusivity and all that stuff, and it makes sense for Ducati.
14:31Like, there's a higher margin in special editions.
14:34And I expect that next year we're going to see a V2, some special edition, and a Streetfighter V2 special edition that'll bump the price up.
14:43But they'll have, like, rad paint or special graphics and some different suspension components.
14:49So, if you want to get gnarlier with these two bikes, it's coming.
14:53Don't worry about that.
14:55I will say that my thought or the question I have is the thing about a Streetfighter.
15:00You always think of it as just this, like, aggro thing, right?
15:03It's like drinking a gallon of coffee or something and just being like, ah!
15:07And so now, when you talk about it being based on this new Panigale V2 platformer, it's sharing the same platform, which is essentially a little bit softer around the edges.
15:15Now you've got this Streetfighter, where Streetfighters are supposed to be that really aggressive feel.
15:19And it's based around a little bit of a softer package.
15:21So that'll be the big question I have is, is it still as exciting as you want a Streetfighter to be?
15:27Or is it more just about, you know, upright ergos and being comfortable and having a good kind of like city commuter bike?
15:33Yeah, I like a Streetfighter to really wake me up, which we know the V4 does.
15:39So, it does well.
15:41I'm sure this thing still will, you know, have some punch and pow.
15:46Ducati always gets that right, no matter what.
15:48You know, their bikes are always a little popped up and thunder-hot.
15:51So I wouldn't sweat that too much, Bradley.
15:53Yeah.
15:55That's what I was going to say.
15:56A soft Ducati is still more aggressive than most things.
16:01Well, let's get into the next one that we want to talk about, which is Aprilia's Tuono 457.
16:08So, this is the second model powered by their new Parallel Twin small bike.
16:17Yeah, it's a great little engine, great little bike.
16:19It's so cool that they're making a naked version now to follow up, you know, in line to the full-fairing sport bike.
16:26Sorry, Bradley, go ahead.
16:27Oh, no, I was just going to say, it was funny because, Justin, I think as you know, we were just riding the RS457 a couple weeks back, doing like a little small bike test.
16:37And that was my first time getting to ride that bike.
16:40And almost right away, I was like, this engine and chassis would make so much sense as a Tuono.
16:47You know, it's great to have the sport bike looks.
16:49And obviously, I'm a sport bike guy, so I can appreciate that.
16:52But I think for the vast majority of customers, the looks and feel and ergonomics of the Tuono just makes so much sense, and especially in that package.
17:02And so, yeah, it was actually, I assumed it was maybe another year off or something.
17:06And yeah, so to see it already announced was really cool.
17:11I think that bike's going to be massively successful because that RS457, I really like that as like an entry-level machine.
17:18You know, it's got just enough friendliness to it where it is something that some complete new rider, beginner rider can get on and enjoy it and feel comfortable on it and kind of build their skill set.
17:31But at the same time, it doesn't look or feel like an entry-level machine.
17:35It's like really solid fit and finish.
17:37They like borrowed so much design language from everywhere else in their lineup and all the technology that they've got, you know, developing RSV4s.
17:45And yeah, it really helped with that.
17:49It helped elevate, I think, that RS457.
17:52I think it's the same with the Tuono.
17:54So I'm excited about that bike.
17:56A completely different look than I think we were maybe expecting.
17:59I think the Tuonos have always had a certain look to them, and this one's maybe a little bit different.
18:03And it's kind of interesting that it's got like a dedicated tank to it and a completely different headlight setup, again, than what we've traditionally seen on other Tuono models.
18:11So maybe not exactly the look we were expecting, but I think chassis and engine and electronics on that bike are so good that the Tuono is just phenomenal.
18:22It's more traditional naked bike than maybe some of the other Tuonos, right?
18:28You look at the Tuono, and it's basically like a fully fared sport bike with the side fairings and sometimes the belly band taken off.
18:37That's changing this year, though.
18:39It is changing.
18:40Yeah, which we'll talk a lot about some of the other bikes that they introduced.
18:43But they're pulling the belly pan off all their bikes, and they're trying to make them a little bit more naked.
18:47Because, yeah, I know that's been a trend lately.
18:51One of the cool things about all these bikes being launched at the same time and talking about EICMA is you really do see the shifts in trends all at once.
19:00There's this push, and you're like, okay, I see where, in this case, Aprilia is going, especially with their naked bikes.
19:05Yeah, making them more naked.
19:07Yeah, for sure.
19:09So, yeah, it's going to be a cool bike.
19:11You can't wait for us to get out and ride it.
19:13And like we said, we're touching on other Aprilia models.
19:16They basically didn't leave even one of their models untouched for 2025.
19:22Big changes on everything.
19:24The RSV4 gets even more horsepower.
19:28Now it's 220 horsepower.
19:30So it's only up three, but, I mean, 220, that's gnarly, you know?
19:36But I think Aprilia was pretty smart in the way they approached this.
19:40Because basically what they did is almost, from what I can tell going through all the notes, all the stories, all the documents we have, all the bikes got essentially the same changes.
19:49It's throttle bodies and exhaust.
19:51They all got larger throttle bodies, and they got basically different exhaust systems.
19:55I think they're a lot more straight.
19:57The headers and stuff are reshaped.
20:01And, yeah, that's basically how they're getting all of the bikes have just a little bit of a horsepower bump over before.
20:07Which is interesting.
20:08I think it was very resourceful and efficient of them to do that.
20:11Like they found some tricks, and they're just applying it to every model in the lineup, it seems like.
20:16Yep.
20:17Then, yeah, so we talked about more horsepower, some braking upgrades on the RSV4.
20:23But then the interesting part is the Tuono 660 factory.
20:27Now there's only a factory model.
20:30Why would they go from not having a base model to a factory and chucking the base model?
20:38What's the point in that?
20:40Who knows?
20:41Maybe the sales were slow, and they're trying to just add some pizzazz to it, I think.
20:46I don't really know.
20:48That's the one thing that Piaggio Group and Aprilia really struggle with America is they make some really great bikes, really great bikes, but they don't really sell sometimes.
20:59For sure, them having these middleweight products now, that really helped them this last couple of years.
21:05But who knows?
21:06I mean, the one tricky thing that they're going to get into now is now that they've expanded their model lineup amongst virtually all their brands,
21:16they're going to have a hard time factoring in supply and demand, supply and demand, supply and demand.
21:23So it's great that they make a lot of new cool models, but supply and demand thing is probably going to have to be a key part of their strategy for 2025 and beyond.
21:34So maybe that's part of it, just trying to make something that people are going to maybe want to purchase more than something else.
21:42Just adding more value, getting a bigger margin on the bikes they are selling.
21:46It makes sense.
21:47Especially if sales are a little slow, you make it on margin instead of volume.
21:51It makes sense.
21:52But even so, Aprilia's traditionally have not been as expensive as other high-performance motorcycles.
22:03So I've always seen Aprilia as offering pretty good value for what they're putting out.
22:11I agree.
22:13Definitely smaller dealer network.
22:16So there's some challenges there.
22:18Less well-known, even though they have some great stuff.
22:22But I'm excited.
22:24Actually, I haven't ridden a 20660.
22:26How is that bike, Adam?
22:27You've spent some time on it before, right?
22:29Yeah, they're awesome.
22:30I mean, all the Aprilia's are always awesome.
22:33Now with that middleweight, parallel twin package, it's got...
22:38The coolest thing about these small Aprilia's is they have that character of the big bikes.
22:42A lot of companies don't get that right, but Aprilia was able to get that right somehow.
22:47So that's really the alluring factor for me is you have a small product that feels like the big product.
22:53And again, most manufacturers do not get that right, but Aprilia did.
22:58It's so funny you say that because that's...
23:00Yeah, like I mentioned with that RS457, and I just wrote some copy on that.
23:04And that was basically the theme of what I wrote was how strong that connection was to RS660, to RSV4,
23:14and all the technology that Aprilia has been able to develop for those bikes.
23:19And you're feeling that in the small displacement entry-level machine.
23:23Well, even you said it earlier, like the design language, like all the lines,
23:28like their twin spar aluminum frames are kind of crappy and they're casting and stuff like that,
23:34but they're still using twin spar aluminum frames.
23:36And that's really cool.
23:38So it's like just everything is just like, everything's in line.
23:43And I don't know, I'm really impressed by that.
23:47Speaking of the Tuono 660 factory, I don't know if you guys noticed, but that one's got the black frame this year.
23:53I will say that thing looks really good. That thing looks sharp.
23:56I do.
23:57Not sure about the colors elsewhere in the lineup, because they have some interesting colors.
24:03Wild colors. What is it, the shark skin or stingray?
24:07Blue, I think, is one of them.
24:09I don't know about that color.
24:11And the yellow that they put on the Tuono looks like the yellow from 20 years ago Tuono.
24:17So those two colors, I'm kind of like, eh.
24:20I like the yellow, but the stingray blue is questionable.
24:24Yeah, it was an interesting choice for sure. It'll stand out.
24:26So speaking of yellow bikes, I think we should get to the next big news,
24:32which is got probably Evan Allen, our associate editor, more hyped about anything from EICMA,
24:41is the new Suzuki DRZs, DRZ4S and DRZ4SM.
24:49Yeah, wild. They've actually updated those things, came out with new models.
24:53Would the old one have a 35-year run or something crazy?
24:57Yeah, I think it was actually like 23 or something like that.
25:01But it felt like decades. It felt like as long as we've been adults, the DRZ has been the same.
25:06Yeah, totally.
25:08I think it's smart. I'm obviously somewhat familiar with the success of CRF300L platform.
25:17Before, for a while, and I'm not sure if it still is, but best-selling dual sport, period.
25:23And it just makes so much sense, the space does.
25:26If you can have a great offering at an affordable price, and they haven't announced a pricing for this bike yet,
25:32but if they can come in at a decent price, I mean, you've got just enough technology,
25:37you've got the modern look, and it's cool.
25:40I mean, it's still, we know that Suzuki can build good engine and good chassis.
25:43So all this new stuff, you've got to imagine it's going to be exactly what you need,
25:47minus the five-speed transmission, which I know you're hating on a little bit.
25:51Yeah, man, that has been a point of contention with DRZ fans forever, has been the five-speed transmission.
26:00They missed their opportunity to do that.
26:04But, you know, I mean, it's going to be built at a nice price, so get over it.
26:09Put a, you know, put a bigger front sprocket on the thing if you want to go crush some big miles.
26:16But, you know, it's got a new engine that makes 38 horsepower, claimed 38 horsepower, claimed 27 foot-pounds of torque.
26:24It's not a slouch in the power department.
26:27It's not like anything like a 450, you know, gnarly bike, but at the same time, it's got plenty of power.
26:35If you want to haul a taller gear to, you know, keep the revs down on a long distance, do that. Stop complaining.
26:43You know?
26:44Yeah, these are, I mean, they're a smaller bike, so, you know, having a six-gear is kind of a moot point a little bit in theory.
26:51But at the same time, it's 2024. It's not 1995. We should have six-speed transmissions.
26:57And then, like, it's crazy, too, because Suzuki, you know, they overhauled the powertrain.
27:03If they're overhauling the powertrain, obviously, the transmission has to be new.
27:07Who do you think you would put a six-speed transmission in it?
27:10Like, I don't know. It just seems kind of odd.
27:13Well, you know, people are asking for it, too. That's the thing, right?
27:15Well, I'm sure they did a ton of research to figure out what people are looking for.
27:19And what do the competitors use in the class, you know?
27:22Yeah, they all have six speeds.
27:23But, you know, having had previous experience as a product guy at a manufacturer, they bring all these people into a room, right?
27:32And they're like, you own a DRZ. You own a DRZ.
27:34So tell us what you like. And you get all this thing.
27:36You go, OK, we can sell you a five-speed for whatever it may be, $8,000.
27:43And we can sell you a six-speed, but it's going to be $9,000.
27:46Which one would you rather have? I'll take the $8,000 five-speed.
27:49And they do their research. They know.
27:52But, you know, there's plenty of noise being made online and always will be.
28:00But their research probably tells them the cost isn't worth it, so let's give them what they want.
28:07It's a nice fair price for a rad motorcycle, right?
28:11But they did give it fuel injection.
28:13So that's, you know, welcome to the modern age, DRZ.
28:19Yeah. I'll be curious which one sells better.
28:22I think we all love the look and idea of a supermoto.
28:25And obviously, you know, you've got your 17-inch wheels on this thing.
28:28And to me, I'd almost gravitate toward that originally.
28:31But I think the reality is the S, you know, with your 2118 wheels and spoke wheels and off-road setup.
28:38I have to imagine that one's going to sell.
28:40That one's going to be the bike that people gravitate towards, right?
28:43Do you think so?
28:45In the past, you know, you look at the old WRs, you know, when Yamaha built those.
28:50And they had your two options just across different lineups.
28:54It just seems like, again, we all love the idea of supermoto.
28:58But they don't seem to sell in the same way that the dual-sport stuff does.
29:02It's going to be dual-sport here in the U.S.
29:05But in Europe, the supermoto is going to kill.
29:07Oh, good point. Yeah, good point.
29:09In Europe, in other markets, the supermoto is going to outsell at 3 to 1, guaranteed.
29:15But here, it's the other way around, and we're used to that.
29:18And we use motorcycles differently here than Europe.
29:20So that's totally rad.
29:22That's a good sidebar, actually, Justin.
29:24I'd love for you to touch on that a little bit, like the idea, the importance of understanding global markets
29:29and the idea that the way we use motorcycles here in the States is so different.
29:36Yes, it is.
29:37Across the world, especially in Europe.
29:39And when you look at these new models, we have to understand that a lot of the reasons for changes
29:43and the direction that these bikes get pushed, it's not just because of what we want and need here is motorcycles in the U.S.
29:49Yeah, that's very true, especially for street bikes.
29:51Street bikes, Europe drives the market.
29:53No matter what we end up with, besides if you're talking about Harley-Davidson or a Cruiser,
29:58you are getting a bike that is meant to appease the buyers in Europe before anything else.
30:06And with that comes most bikes that come here, have Euro 5 regulations on them.
30:12They've got all that kind of stuff.
30:14And what's important is that because we don't sell so many street bikes here,
30:22because it's a pastime and not a piece of transportation, that we don't get to choose as much as other markets.
30:30But when it comes to dirt bikes, the U.S. absolutely drives the market.
30:35What sells here, everyone else gets.
30:37So we get our say in the dirt, but everyone else gets their say in the street.
30:40And that's just the way it is.
30:42Same thing with Honda Goldwing, bikes like that.
30:44Everything. Every motorcycle that is a street bike, absolutely they worry about European market before they worry about the U.S. market.
30:55Well, I would say Goldwing is maybe a little bit different, similar to Harley-Davidson.
30:59Yeah, very much so, I guess.
31:01Yeah, I guess those bikes make sense in the U.S. market.
31:05Yeah, very much so.
31:09And now you've got other markets that you have to consider coming into the market.
31:14Indian market, the Asian market.
31:17They get so many more different motorcycles that we don't even get because there's no interest here for them.
31:24Especially small displacement bikes.
31:27But when you're a global manufacturer, you have to build something that works for everything, not just for one place for the most part.
31:36Yeah, it was funny.
31:38I think there was, Adam, in one of the videos or stories that you did this last week on one of the new bikes, you used the word tight urban environment.
31:47Which I realized, it was funny, it's a small little thing, but I live and ride in an urban environment, but for me it's not tight.
31:55It's still, in Irvine here where the offices are speed limit on the side streets are 55 miles per hour.
32:02Yeah, they're like highways.
32:04It's so different from what you experience in Europe.
32:06And I was going back to times where I've been riding around in Rome or something, or Barcelona, and it's just a completely different riding experience.
32:14Yeah, take a ride in Thailand, in Bangkok.
32:17Yeah.
32:18Yeah.
32:19Yeah, it's just all the time, right?
32:21And yeah, the correct tool for that job is so different than what we have here and our needs are here.
32:27Yep.
32:28That kind of segues into the KTM 390s and being small.
32:31Absolutely.
32:33Three new 390s from KTM.
32:35So they took these bikes, they brought them to EICMA.
32:37They didn't give anybody any information.
32:39They just put them on the stand and they're like, there they are.
32:42And so we don't have any real info on what they are, who they're for, how much they cost, specs of the engines, horsepower, fuel capacities, weights, none of that stuff.
32:52But Bradley did kind of do some speculative and investigations and trying to figure out like, what are these things about and what do they got going on?
33:02And so all three of them look rad.
33:07The 390 Adventure R, the 390 SMCR, which is a supermoto again, and then the 390 Enduro R, which is just like the styling of their 690 Enduro R, which is like a big dual sport machine.
33:20So which one is most interesting to you guys?
33:24I like that 390 Adventure R.
33:29I mean, I think the direction of it, making it a little bit more aggro.
33:32We'll obviously talk about this next week, but BMW had a concept, a 450 GS.
33:38And yeah, it just seems like people are paying some more attention to that small displacement adventure bike category right now.
33:44But at the same time, trying to pump more performance into them.
33:48And obviously we can see a lot of, you know, yes, there's not a lot of information on these bikes right now.
33:54But we can look at what KTM did with the 390 Duke last year and the engine changes, what they went from the 373 to the 390.
34:01And it's just that whole package, you know, from the chassis, engine, styling, electronics, everything's just a little bit more on edge.
34:10It's a little bit higher.
34:11And it seems like that's what they're doing with these bikes as well.
34:14And especially with that, the 390 Adventure R, I mean, everything from you got the higher fender, you know, the engine is going to be a lot more stout, I imagine, you know.
34:23So I think that's going to be a really great package.
34:26I wish, you know, I'm 6'3 and I don't fit on these small bikes.
34:29I wish I could, I wish I fit them on a little bit better.
34:31But we got Evan for that.
34:33I did get to look at the 390 prototype of the 390 up close that was parked at the adventure rally that I went to.
34:41One of the guys from KTM was there riding it for fun, like not even like doing any marketing or anything.
34:47He just like borrowed it.
34:49It still had like that crazy like zebra, whatever, all over it to kind of disguise it.
34:56But, you know, I walked up to it, looked at it, and it's definitely a bigger bike than the old 390 Adventure.
35:02It's a little bit taller.
35:03It's got a 21-inch front wheel and 18-inch rear.
35:06It's more off-road worthy.
35:08Versus the 1917 on the current generation, right?
35:11Yeah, yeah.
35:12So, but, Adam, what about you?
35:15Which one do you, are you digging?
35:17Yeah, I'm with Bradley, just the 390 Adventure.
35:20You know, that's really the one that, you know, I like that bike.
35:24And I think it's cool that people can buy an affordable adventure bike and, you know, kick up some dust.
35:30And yeah, you know, I think that's going to be a neat bike.
35:34You know, the other derivatives, yeah, they're cool.
35:37But the 390 Adventures, I think that's the cool bike.
35:40I'm most pumped on the SMCR.
35:44I'm pumped on the Supermoto bike, which is funny because I'm the adventure bike guy out of the three of us.
35:49Like, I'm the guy that's like Mr. Adventure.
35:51But having ridden, you know, all the 690 SMCRs and 701 SMs from Husky and the Gas Gas 700, like, those bikes are stupid, stupid fun.
36:06And I can see this delivering a lot of that with a nicer price and maybe more, being more accessible to people.
36:17So, but it'll sell the least out of all of them.
36:20But that's the one that I think is the coolest.
36:22Of course, it's like we were talking about earlier with Supermotos.
36:25It's like, I'm Mr. Practical.
36:27You know, I want something that can kind of do a little bit of everything.
36:29And that, those are like, they're fun machines.
36:33The ceiling is there, right, because they don't work as well in all the different environments like the adventure bike would or even the Enduro.
36:44I had a funny line here.
36:45There's no, on the 390 Adventure R, they said, the next era in hardcore adventure travel.
36:51I found that.
36:52I thought that was a funny line for a 390.
36:54Yeah.
36:55That's KTM marketing for you.
36:57So KTM, right?
36:58Yeah, yeah, you're right.
37:00No, there's no secrets.
37:02I used to work for KTM, so I'm familiar with that language and it is very hyperbolic most of the time.
37:08I mean, I will say I got to go to, they had a big event last year where we rode 1390 Super Duke R, 390 Duke and 990 Duke.
37:21And that was my first time really hanging out with a group of KTM representatives.
37:25And they are exactly what you see from their product.
37:30You know, they're just excited and they're just like all about performance and that like aggressive on edge feel to it.
37:38And like, they carry that through the product line fully.
37:41So if that's what, if you're a motorcyclist who enjoys that, you enjoy that like kind of on edge nature of something and that aggressiveness, these are absolutely the bikes for you, for sure.
37:51That's certainly what they're going after marketing wise.
37:54I don't know how much that is in actuality, but for marketing, for sure.
38:00Yeah, they love it.
38:01What was the 13, some of the stuff they just did for their 1390, Justin, where they shot it on a track?
38:08Yeah, yeah.
38:09On a road race track?
38:10Is that an adventure bike on a road race track with their 990?
38:14Yeah, I saw that.
38:15Like all the photos, like everything was on a road race track and I'm like, how does that make any sense?
38:21But it's very KTM at the same time.
38:23Like, yeah, there always have been, you know, ready to race.
38:26And so they're, they're all about that.
38:29So.
38:30Not afraid to break the mold, do something a little different and just be true to themselves, which you got to appreciate and respect, you know?
38:36Absolutely.
38:37Very much so.
38:38Speaking of, 990 Duke R.
38:41We saw our buddy Fillmore got to race that kind of concept version of that this year in Moto America at a race.
38:48And now we got a production bike coming.
38:51Which I'm surprised by because the 990 Duke is already a pretty aggressive, sporty motorcycle.
38:56And now you got even more from this thing.
38:58What do you got?
38:59More horsepower.
39:00It says about seven more horsepower.
39:02Obviously different suspension.
39:03It says, they say stiffer, which means something when KTM says stiffer.
39:08Yeah.
39:09They said more aggressive and capable than even the base model, which I think that thing will be really exciting.
39:15Yeah.
39:16I think that product has a linkage too for the rear suspension as well now.
39:19It does.
39:20Yeah.
39:21You're absolutely right.
39:22Yep.
39:23It's got that.
39:24It's got a longer swing arm, bigger brake discs.
39:25And then of course, one thing we should talk about is the new display.
39:30They got, that one's the landscape displays, big, long, 8.9 inch.
39:35But that's been a massive thing for KTM this year is new displays.
39:40So they got the vertical and they've got the landscape.
39:42Touchscreen.
39:43Yeah, touchscreen.
39:44And they got new switch pods on basically everything.
39:47Right?
39:49That's been a big focus for them lately.
39:51And I think that kind of enhances the experience.
39:53I'd love to hear your guys' thoughts on these new screens that we're seeing.
39:56We're seeing obviously KTM, CFMoto with their relationship with KTM.
39:59They've been doing, starting to delve into these big screens.
40:03I'm trying to think who else.
40:04I mean, obviously some of these stuff.
40:05BRP.
40:06Yeah.
40:07Yeah.
40:08You're right.
40:09Yep.
40:10Yeah, absolutely.
40:11Some of those K&Ms we rode recently.
40:12No, I definitely dig the big screens.
40:14Oh, I miss an analog sweeping dial, all that kind of stuff.
40:20But at the same time, there's so many functions on these bikes.
40:23And that's the one thing that they're focusing on the KTM especially is that
40:26you can just press the screen to turn on certain features and turn off things
40:30instead of going through menus and finding things.
40:32It's going to simplify using a switch pod where you can just reach up and
40:36tap stuff.
40:37So that's cool.
40:38And, I mean, we're used to it in our cars.
40:41We're used to seeing these big, beautiful displays in our cars.
40:43So it only makes sense that it has to transfer to,
40:48especially the higher end motorcycles.
40:50It just has to.
40:51Yeah.
40:52Yeah, I agree.
40:53Adam, you made a good point about, I know we both rode the K&M,
40:57the new K&M Origin and Pulse electric bikes recently,
40:59which was one of the first bikes I've ridden with these new screens.
41:03And I remember the user,
41:05one of the things I did like about that bike was the user interface and how
41:08easy it was to go into menus and turn settings on, off,
41:12just because it's all right there in front of you.
41:15I think I really like that trend that we're seeing right now with,
41:19especially this new switch gear,
41:20when you get a lot of people are doing these toggle little joysticks.
41:24I've been riding some of the Yamahas with that recently,
41:27and then you get the nice big display.
41:29Yeah.
41:30For a little while,
41:31we were starting to get getting a little bit lost where you've got all of
41:34these settings to adjust and like these traditional old school style switch
41:38clusters.
41:39And it was just like trying to do too much with too little.
41:41So I'm,
41:42I'm a big fan of the direction manufacturers are heading with these new
41:45screens.
41:46Yeah.
41:47I think it's like Justin said,
41:48it's driven by the automotive and more importantly,
41:51it's driven by what's in your pocket.
41:53These,
41:54these smartphones are just getting larger and larger and larger and people
41:58get accustomed to their large screen smartphones.
42:00So what do you think they want in their $10,000 vehicle?
42:03They purchase probably a large screen thing.
42:05So it kind of just follows that.
42:07I think.
42:08Yeah,
42:09that's a super solid point.
42:10I didn't even think about the phone angle,
42:12but yeah,
42:13that makes total sense.
42:14Phone's getting,
42:15getting bigger.
42:16So,
42:17you know,
42:18it's an everyday thing.
42:19You're seeing something larger and larger and larger.
42:20Yeah.
42:21So we didn't,
42:22we didn't mention all the new 13 nineties too.
42:24Yeah.
42:251390 super adventure are 1390 super adventure S Evo.
42:29It's,
42:30it's tough because some are not coming to the States.
42:33Some are coming to the States a year from now,
42:36which we know KTM already gave us a heads up on that.
42:39It's 2026 models,
42:41but that engine is potent.
42:44Yeah.
42:45Yeah.
42:46It's,
42:47it's that LCA just continues to have a life.
42:51I mean,
42:52it's been around forever and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and
42:55more powerful and more useful.
42:58It,
42:59I always wonder when is,
43:00when,
43:01when are they going to run out of usefulness for that engine?
43:04And when's the next KTM engine coming,
43:07but it doesn't seem like it's ever going to stop.
43:09Cause I think it's just a powerhouse.
43:10Yeah.
43:11It's crazy.
43:12How do they,
43:13how do they even make meet the new Euro standards?
43:15Cause other manufacturers have to retire their power trains,
43:18but KTM somehow is able to navigate that somehow.
43:22And yeah,
43:23there's,
43:24there's just increasing displacement to,
43:26to maintain or slightly increased power,
43:29more compression,
43:31you know,
43:32more,
43:33more to stay,
43:35you know,
43:36while using the same amount of,
43:37of emissions as well.
43:38But you've also got,
43:39I think the cam shift technology for that.
43:41I mean,
43:42you see that,
43:43I mean,
43:44again,
43:45we mentioned the new Ducati engine earlier,
43:46the variable valve timing has been helped.
43:47I think these manufacturers so much.
43:49Absolutely.
43:50In this,
43:51in that space.
43:52I was going to ask you,
43:53so what do you think about a 1390 super adventure R?
43:56I mean,
43:57I don't know.
43:58It's gotta be in the range of,
43:59I know the tuning is different in the engine,
44:01depending on which platform it's in,
44:02but the numbers range from 170 to 190.
44:06So like at minimum,
44:07you're going to have 170 horsepower adventure bike.
44:10It was already ridiculous when it was the 1290.
44:13So,
44:14you know,
44:151390,
44:16like as it just gets bigger and bigger,
44:18it's,
44:19it's already so much and so powerful that,
44:21you know,
44:22you turn it into off-road motor,
44:24enduro motor,
44:25whatever the setting is anyways,
44:27to tame it down.
44:28You're never running sport,
44:31you know,
44:32sport response with full sport power in the dirt.
44:35It's just,
44:36it's,
44:37you know,
44:38it's just not usable for the most part,
44:39even though,
44:40I mean,
44:41their,
44:42their slide control technology is pretty rad.
44:43I can dial it up and down,
44:44but you know,
44:45it's,
44:46they've made it usable though.
44:48Like they've,
44:49all the modes make sense and it's usable in every,
44:51way thanks to the electronics and,
44:53and the way that they can,
44:54they can definitely tune that response and power for what you're doing with it.
45:00So I say it's,
45:01it's not going to be any more gnarly than the 1290 or an 1190 or a 1090.
45:06Like it's just gnarly in general.
45:09It's just gnarly in general.
45:10I don't know.
45:11I mean,
45:12I will say I wrote that super Duke last year and that was a step for sure.
45:17I mean,
45:18I know they smooth out with the variable valve timing and stuff,
45:20but like when that thing hits,
45:22I mean,
45:23it hits.
45:24We talk about,
45:25you know,
45:26KTM and their personality,
45:27what they want to do is just build these aggressive,
45:28exciting bikes.
45:29And I think you see that here.
45:30I guess it's kind of like,
45:31in some ways it reminds me of like fishing boats in a way where you have these,
45:35like they put these big old engines on stuff.
45:36Cause it just means it's quicker.
45:37You're getting to your next spot quicker.
45:39Right.
45:40Or if you need to get back to weigh your fish or something.
45:42Right.
45:43And it's that same thing,
45:44I guess we're an adventure bike where you're like,
45:45I just need an engine to get me out over to here.
45:47And then I can do my,
45:48like,
45:49put it in off road mode and ride around there.
45:50And then,
45:51you know,
45:52Yeah.
45:53Exactly.
45:54I guess,
45:55you know,
45:56it's one way you could,
45:57could sell it,
45:58I guess.
45:59And on top of that,
46:00it's always just displacement creep in general.
46:01People want more.
46:02So you give them more,
46:03even though they don't need it.
46:04Yeah.
46:05That's been tough for manufacturers,
46:06right?
46:07Especially as emissions regulations get more and more strict.
46:10The last thing you want to do is introduce a new bike.
46:12That's probably going to be more expensive and makes less power and is
46:15heavier.
46:16Like they're doing everything to avoid that.
46:18Yeah.
46:19Yeah.
46:20Kind of.
46:21So,
46:22well,
46:23that's,
46:24we've dove deep into some very interesting motorcycles.
46:26There's a lot more.
46:27So go to motorcyclist online to check out,
46:30you know,
46:31all the other motorcycles that have been introduced.
46:33You can go to cycle world.com as well.
46:35Check out all the models there.
46:36There's tons of information.
46:38Get,
46:39you could read for hours on Eicma just from last week.
46:41So go check that out.
46:43And,
46:44and what I think we need to get to the closing here,
46:46which I had a question for both of you,
46:48which is what was missing from Eicma?
46:53Like what,
46:54like not a concept,
46:55but an actual production bike.
46:56What did you think you might see there?
47:00And what were you like wishing to see there,
47:03I guess,
47:04in terms of like a new sport bike or a new adventure bike or something
47:07from a certain manufacturer.
47:09Let's start with Adam.
47:11I was kind of curious.
47:14I'm Kawasaki was awfully quiet.
47:17You know,
47:18they didn't really have a lot of new stuff.
47:21I mean,
47:22obviously they were there,
47:23but you know,
47:24I would have liked to seen,
47:25you know,
47:26some more stuff from Kawasaki,
47:27you know,
47:28you know,
47:29usually they're on it with upgrading everything,
47:31you know,
47:32putting,
47:33you know,
47:34new body work,
47:35do little features on,
47:36you know,
47:37an existing platform just to boost sales.
47:38And they weren't really doing that this year,
47:40which is kind of interesting to me.
47:43So I would have just liked to seen more from Kawasaki.
47:45I know that's kind of a broad range,
47:47but no,
47:48that's totally good.
47:50I guess I'll go next.
47:52We'll give Bradley the last word.
47:53But for me,
47:55I was really hoping that we would see some more Ducati models with that new
48:00single.
48:01I was really hoping to see a mono introduced or a street fighter or
48:06something else with that engine.
48:08I think I was,
48:10I was,
48:11I was sure there was going to be something in the lead up to EICMA or at
48:14EICMA,
48:15you know,
48:16and we didn't see that.
48:17So I hope,
48:18I hope,
48:19I hope next year we see something more with that,
48:22that single.
48:23That's a good point.
48:24I didn't think about that.
48:25You are a hundred percent,
48:26right.
48:27A hundred percent,
48:28right.
48:29So much.
48:30Ducati was a little quiet too.
48:32I would say,
48:33you know,
48:34like historically these manufacturers kind of go crazy.
48:36I mean,
48:37that's their home,
48:38their home event.
48:39And,
48:40you know,
48:41two new models and a new powertrains neat,
48:43but like,
48:44you'd think there would be a little bit more,
48:45I would think.
48:46Yeah.
48:47I mean,
48:48they had like slow releases of some stuff,
48:49but they were mainly like colors and,
48:50you know,
48:51some mild changes,
48:52but nothing major this year.
48:54So.
48:55Yeah.
48:56What about you,
48:57Bradley?
48:58Um,
48:59I don't want to harp on them because they did bring out the new DRZ force,
49:02but I was,
49:03I'm really waiting to see Suzuki do some more stuff in the sport bike world.
49:06You know,
49:07obviously we love GSX,
49:088R,
49:09GSX,
49:108S naked bike was great,
49:11but I'm curious what their answer to new R9 and now new Panigale V2 is going to be.
49:17You have to imagine that there's something that'll replace or some type of update to GSXR 600 or 750.
49:24Um,
49:25and I understand the market doesn't fully support that at this point,
49:28and they've done such a good job again with the 800 and the 8R,
49:31but as a traditional sport bike guy,
49:34man,
49:35I'd love to see Suzuki do something with that because,
49:37I mean,
49:38obviously we know that they're pretty outdated packages at this point,
49:40but still so good.
49:42I could GSXR 600 or 750,
49:44especially are just like such good motorcycles.
49:47And I don't feel like it would take much.
49:49And obviously as much,
49:50um,
49:51as they've invested into the next gen super sport stuff,
49:54you know,
49:55and,
49:56and going racing on GSXR 750s,
49:57you've got to imagine that the work on something where,
50:00um,
50:01they have something that's a little bit easier for customers to,
50:04to go and race on.
50:06Versus,
50:07you know,
50:08having to build out a next gen GSXR 750,
50:10which I don't know the price of,
50:12and that would actually maybe be a cool topic at some point.
50:14But,
50:15um,
50:16yeah,
50:17I,
50:18I would love to have seen some more from them.
50:19I'm also,
50:20I'm going to keep saying,
50:21I think maybe we've talked about it a little bit before,
50:22but I would love like a very street oriented version of a Harley Davidson,
50:26Pan America.
50:27That's like my thing right now.
50:28I would love to say like,
50:30I love that engine.
50:31I think it's such a great engine.
50:32And like,
50:33I've seen some custom builds with like,
50:35you know,
50:36on,
50:37on,
50:38uh,
50:3917s and stuff.
50:40And I'm just like,
50:41I think that would be a cool bike.
50:42I really would love to see,
50:43I know Harley didn't do anything at EICMA and they're not EICMA people,
50:45but that's one bike.
50:46It would be cool.
50:47That would be cool to like,
50:48maybe it'd be like,
50:49uh,
50:50you know,
50:51uh,
50:52some sort of sport bike ish,
50:54half fairing Pan America based thing,
50:59you know,
51:0017s use the,
51:01the,
51:02the same 1250 engine,
51:03same frame,
51:04shorter fork,
51:05shorter swing arm,
51:06and some kind of cool cowling.
51:08And that thing would,
51:09that would be epic,
51:10epic,
51:11epic,
51:12epic.
51:13Cause that engine is really good.
51:14I really like that engine.
51:15So,
51:16yeah.
51:17Okay.
51:18So,
51:19uh,
51:20that's,
51:21I think I'm going to wrap it up for this very first episode of the
51:23motorcyclist podcast with Bradley and Adam and I.
51:26So,
51:27um,
51:28you know,
51:29I think the main takeaways from this episode is there's a lot,
51:31there's a lot to new bikes to see,
51:33go read about them,
51:34be prepared to do your shopping.
51:36Um,
51:37you know,
51:38we really want to hear what you guys think about our opinions about these
51:41new motorcycles and of all the motorcycles that were,
51:44um,
51:45introduced to Dykema.
51:46So,
51:47you know,
51:48obviously comment,
51:49all that good stuff.
51:50Um,
51:51and then next week we are going to talk about concept bikes and that's
51:55going to be really exciting stuff.
51:56Cause there was some really cool stuff like that.
51:58BMW F four 50 GS.
52:00There's a Honda V three turbo crazy,
52:04crazy that they said,
52:05we are building this engine.
52:07That's like,
52:08yes,
52:09they said,
52:10this is going to go in a production model.
52:11So whether or not it has electric turbocharging or not remains to be
52:16seen,
52:17but they said they're building this thing.
52:18It's going to go on something.
52:19And that's,
52:20that's super rad.
52:21And then there was some other really cool stuff.
52:23So we'll talk about that.
52:25Um,
52:26I think that's pretty much it.
52:27We appreciate your support.
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52:36And,
52:37uh,
52:38yes,
52:39yes,
52:40yes,
52:41definitely give us some ideas.
52:42Cause,
52:43uh,
52:44we,
52:45we definitely want to talk about the things that you guys care about in
52:46motorcycling just as much as we care about.
52:48So,
52:49um,
52:50let us know and we'll see you next time.