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00:00No Barça jerseys, nor where the name of the greatest is reflected, for me, Leo Messi.
00:08Nor Argentina jerseys, nor anything that has to do with the selection to the Biceleste.
00:16Curious, isn't it?
00:17The question today is related to this.
00:21There is the question itself.
00:22Why will they ban Messi and Argentina's jerseys in Paraguay?
00:26They do it for security, a Paraguayan whim, to avoid an invasion of Argentina.
00:36Fernando Ceballos, how are you? What would be your option to vote?
00:40How is everyone healthy? I think for security.
00:42For security?
00:43I wouldn't understand anything else.
00:45And why hasn't it been done before?
00:47Well, it's the only valid excuse I see to ban it.
00:52Why else?
00:53No, there is one more valid, there is one more important still.
00:55Andres Serra, how are you?
00:56I totally agree with the measure.
00:58Klaufer, Ramon, I totally agree with the measure.
01:01And it is to avoid not only the invasion of Argentina, but to respect the house.
01:04The place is Paraguay.
01:05There shouldn't be people with Argentine jerseys in Paraguay.
01:08Yes, that is anti-football for the rest of God's life.
01:11Greetings to you, Ramon Barrenechea, and let's listen to Alfaro.
01:15He himself speaks of what has been said.
01:20I wish I could go to a party.
01:22Now, I don't want that for a jersey we have a focus of conflict where it doesn't have to exist.
01:28Where it doesn't have to exist.
01:30And that the disputes, and that both teams play to death on the field.
01:35We know that there may be a Messi jersey, but tomorrow the Paraguayan, I assure you,
01:40goes with the Paraguayan jersey.
01:42Goes with the Paraguayan jersey.
01:47Where are we getting?
01:48They tell me, I pay my ticket to see the game that I want.
01:52And they tell me, you can't go with the Messi, Barça, or Argentina jersey, and I'm not going.
01:57I'm not going.
01:58Perfectly, that's what they want to do, that they don't go.
02:00I agree because there has been a big problem in Conmebol,
02:04historical, of people who go to the game of their team,
02:07with Brazilian or Argentine jerseys when you face them.
02:09And where is the locality?
02:11Where is the locality?
02:12Not long ago, in Venezuela, it went viral in the Aguacero game,
02:17that fell in the Monumental,
02:19to a person dressed with an Argentine jersey in the middle of a fan meeting,
02:22and they said, no, he can go to the Argentine bar,
02:24in the Argentine bar that they are,
02:26but that in his country you feel that you are the local.
02:29But why do we have to get to that?
02:31Because you are the local.
02:33The players hate it.
02:35The player says, if I go, and I stand in front of my fans,
02:39because my fans are national,
02:41they have the flag of another country,
02:43they feel horrible.
02:45That hurts.
02:46Imagine, Clau, you are a fan of Betis,
02:48and you have friends who go to Betis,
02:50and they are going to watch a game,
02:52and suddenly one of your friends,
02:54because he has a player in Seville,
02:56that he likes a lot,
02:57takes the jersey of Seville.
02:59Let's see, if you are a person,
03:01I think you are going to say, what are you doing?
03:02No, if you are a person, you have rights.
03:04I am Betica, my father is from Seville,
03:06and I went to Sanchez Pizjuan with my father,
03:08without putting on the Seville jersey,
03:10but I went.
03:11And if I go to Benito Villamarín,
03:13and my father comes with the Seville jersey,
03:15well, look, he will put up with the insults.
03:18But this is football for life.
03:20What we have to do is promote more the values of sport,
03:25the values of football,
03:27respect, knowing how to lose,
03:29the little things that we forget.
03:32That's what we have to remember.
03:34But to prohibit the opponent's fan
03:36from accessing a stadium?
03:38No, he can go to the Argentine Bar,
03:40what he can't go to the General Bar or to the Paraguayans.
03:42But why not?
03:43Because the Paraguayan player is going to hurt him.
03:45The Venezuelan player hurts him,
03:46they have said it all his life,
03:47that going to the stadium and seeing someone,
03:49them playing against Brazil,
03:50and seeing Venezuelans dressed up against Brazil,
03:52is not feeling betrayed.
03:54That's a term we say in Venezuela,
03:56it's called a baker.
03:57And what has the selection of Venezuela given Venezuela?
03:59And what has the selection of Paraguay given Paraguay?
04:01And if the Venezuelan or Paraguayan fans
04:03want to support another team,
04:06because it's better in terms of football,
04:08they have every right to do so.
04:10I prefer that they don't go.
04:11They have every right to do so.
04:13We are falling to a point where
04:15this looks like war.
04:17Extreme, extreme.
04:18It's a damn football match.
04:20Let's stop with silly feelings.
04:23In Mexico, before, a Chivas fan
04:25could sit next to the one from America
04:27and nothing would happen.
04:28Today, it's practically impossible
04:30for that to happen because of this.
04:32Exactly.
04:33Enough, enough.
04:34No, and the point is that
04:36it's not just Paraguay or Argentina.
04:38There are already many children
04:40who have seen Leo Messi,
04:42and their dream is to see Leo Messi,
04:44and they love the Argentine star,
04:46and he goes to his city,
04:48and he has his shirt, his shirt,
04:50and why can't he go?
04:52If I had a son,
04:53and my son is from Leo Messi,
04:55and Leo Messi plays here,
04:57why won't my son go with a shirt
04:59from Argentina or Barça
05:01to see his idol?
05:03And from Inter Miami,
05:04who can take him?
05:05Neither.
05:06It's very heavy.
05:07But they can do it
05:08in the fan zone of Argentina.
05:10A few years ago,
05:11the day Venezuela beat Argentina,
05:13there was a banner that said,
05:14Messi, you are a god,
05:15but if you play for Benotinto,
05:16we are atheists.
05:17That's how it feels to play at home.
05:19The idea is that you sit at home,
05:21and that your players don't feel
05:23what they have felt for decades,
05:24of feeling humiliated,
05:25that their compatriots support another country.
05:27Imagine you as a Venezuelan.
05:29But why are you hurt?
05:31They have never gone to a damn World Cup!
05:33At least,
05:35when the day the Venezuelan team
05:37qualifies for a World Cup,
05:39they should feel hurt
05:40because their fans don't support them.
05:41But Paraguay lost,
05:42and the same thing happens.
05:43Yes, but Paraguay hasn't won anything.
05:45Imagine you have a son.
05:47You are Venezuelan,
05:48and Venezuela faces Argentina,
05:50and your son loves Leo Messi.
05:51Are you going to forbid your son,
05:53with the illusion that he has
05:54a seven or eight-year-old child,
05:55whatever age he has,
05:56to go with the shirt
05:58of his idol?
05:59Yes, I wouldn't take him
06:00with the shirt of Messi.
06:01I can take him
06:02to watch the game
06:03and watch Messi,
06:04but that day,
06:05if you go to the stadium,
06:06because you are going to support Venezuela.
06:07If my son wants to go to the game
06:09with the shirt of Sevilla
06:11and with the name
06:12of whoever he wants
06:13behind Jesús Navas,
06:14he should go.
06:15He is a child.
06:16It seems to me
06:17very heavy.