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00:00Let's move towards international politics.
00:02After Donald Trump was elected as the 47th President of the United States,
00:06different questions are being raised in every country.
00:08Some questions are about international politics.
00:11Some questions are about the situation in the Middle East.
00:14Is the United States still going to support Israel,
00:17when it has attacked five different countries?
00:21Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, including Iran.
00:24It has created instability in the region.
00:28On the other hand, there is a new statement in Pakistan.
00:31The statement is that our politics will be intervened upon
00:34as soon as Donald Trump is elected.
00:36We will try to answer all these questions.
00:39Mr. Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhary is with us.
00:41He is the Foreign Secretary.
00:43Thank you very much, Mr. Aizaz, for joining me in the program.
00:45Mr. Aizaz, as soon as Donald Trump is elected,
00:48we will talk about the situation in Pakistan.
00:51But can we expect that the set policy of the United States
00:56will change with respect to Israel?
00:59No, I don't think so.
01:01The three policies of the United States are not going to change.
01:06They will still consider China as a competitor.
01:10They will have a partnership with India.
01:14And they will continue to fully support Israel.
01:18I don't see any change in that support.
01:21In fact, they will do it very strongly.
01:23However, Donald Trump tried last time
01:28to reduce the opposition to Israel.
01:36You remember, he did it with the Arabs.
01:40Secondly, they don't want war.
01:43They want pressure on Iran.
01:46But they don't want war.
01:48That's why I think they will try to tell Israel
01:52that as soon as their actions against Hamas and Hezbollah are completed,
02:04they will try to make a deal between ceasefire and hostages.
02:09That's what I see.
02:12Mr. Aizaz, hostages and ceasefire attempts have already been made.
02:15There was a meeting.
02:17Netanyahu was attacking Palestine.
02:21And then he attacked Lebanon.
02:23And at the same time,
02:25the organization that points out the inhumane genocide of Israel,
02:31whether it is the International Court of Justice,
02:34whether it is the UN,
02:35whether it is Amnesty International,
02:37or any other organization,
02:39or any other country,
02:40they call it a terrorist organization.
02:42Or they say that it is anti-Semitic.
02:45They print a word like this and sideline it.
02:49Will the USA have the capability to play a role in curtailing the war?
02:57Considering that Israel thinks that Israel needs the USA.
03:02The USA does not need Israel.
03:04Both need each other.
03:06There is no doubt that Netanyahu was also waiting.
03:10Although Biden did not leave any shortcomings in his support,
03:14but Netanyahu thinks that Donald Trump will support him with more intensity.
03:21He also said in the campaign, finish the job.
03:24So he does not care how much blood has been spilled,
03:28how much oppression has been done,
03:30the apartheid regime has been created,
03:31genocide has been done.
03:33All these things are visible to everyone in America.
03:36But you have seen that from America,
03:38except for the people of America,
03:41their Congress, their executive,
03:44I do not see anything in it.
03:46But the difference with Donald Trump is that
03:49he does not want wars.
03:51He has repeatedly said that
03:53I want to look inward.
03:55I want to work on the America First strategy.
03:57My workers are fed up with the international agenda.
04:00My voters are fed up with internationalism and globalization.
04:05My voters have lost their jobs.
04:08They want to make America great.
04:11And you have seen that their biggest priority right now is economy.
04:15They want to impose tariffs on China.
04:19They want to impose tariffs on the rest of the world.
04:22I do not think they want to give much importance to war.
04:26This is my personal opinion.
04:28It is possible that some people have different opinions.
04:31And on the other hand, Mr. Azad,
04:33then there is the politics of Pakistan.
04:35In Pakistan's politics,
04:37whoever is elected president should be irrelevant.
04:40We are all together a different country.
04:42But unfortunately,
04:43from the time of Sito-Santo,
04:45America is extremely relevant for Pakistan.
04:47And maybe it will remain so in the near future.
04:49Will America play a role in Pakistan's politics,
04:52especially, to be precise,
04:54in the release of Imran Khan, Mr. Donald Trump?
04:57Look, Pakistan is no longer relevant for America.
05:02At the time of Sito-Santo,
05:04you had become a kind of pawn against the Soviet world.
05:08Then in Afghan Jihad,
05:10you also supported them against the Soviets.
05:13Then in Global On-War Terror,
05:15you also became their ally.
05:17At that time, you were relevant.
05:19Now when they have left Afghanistan,
05:21and they have a competition with China,
05:23who is your friend,
05:25now you are not relevant to them.
05:27India is now relevant to them.
05:29This is a fact.
05:30It is true, but it is there.
05:32Yes, Pakistan can be relevant at that time,
05:34if its trade increases a lot,
05:36if the economy becomes very strong,
05:39then it is fine.
05:41But that is not happening yet.
05:42It will not happen suddenly.
05:43It will take some time.
05:44So if Pakistan is not relevant,
05:46then what will they get by intervening in Pakistan?
05:50Do we have such a plan,
05:52or our political leaders,
05:54or that political party,
05:56which perhaps wants
05:58Donald Trump to do something for them?
06:00He is a quid pro quo person.
06:02He wants to see what you will give him.
06:05If you are in a position to give him something,
06:07then he will negotiate with you,
06:09he will interfere with you,
06:11he will do whatever he wants.
06:12I don't see this happening.
06:14I have an idea that a lot of people think
06:16that a lot of telephones will come,
06:17and this will happen, and that will happen.
06:19I don't want to ruin their hopes,
06:22but I want to give my opinion
06:24that this will not happen.
06:26America only and only interferes
06:28when they see their interest in it.
06:31I don't see interest in it right now.