"Trump Ki Jeet Par Sirf Ek Waja Say Mithaiyan Batin Kay...", Mazhar Abbas
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00:00It would be wrong to say that there is no American influence in the domestic politics of Pakistan.
00:05No, there is. We are saying that there is in this case or not.
00:09Look, in this case, it may be at that stage that if Mr. Khan's trial is in the military court.
00:18In that case, there may be an influence that if Mr. Khan is being sentenced to an extreme sentence.
00:25In these cases, and what is the style of American influence?
00:30American, UN, human rights bodies, American human rights bodies.
00:35As far as the movement of justice is concerned, why should the movement of justice not try?
00:39The movement of justice will try to somehow convince the Americans of Donald Trump's atrocities,
00:47whether in relation to human rights, in relation to human rights violations.
00:52So, they will try in every way.
00:53In Mr. Khan's statement today, as you yourself said,
00:58I feel that perhaps he has hoped that perhaps things will be different with the arrival of Donald Trump.
01:09And that is why his tone seems more aggressive than in the past.
01:16That is, sometimes he comes in the beginning, sometimes he doesn't.
01:18But today's statement, I am also seeing it in the same context,
01:24that it seems as if Mr. Khan is giving you some strength.
01:27Whether it is right or wrong is a different matter.
01:29But he is giving a strength that yes, if we succeed in running a mass movement, which has not been done so far,
01:36then that pressure will build on the government.
01:38If you think beyond that, do you know what the Secretary of State did at the press conference today?
01:43Why is she saying that she is interfering in domestic affairs?
01:48Why is she saying that?
01:50Why did she say that?
01:52What does it mean?
01:53No, the Defense Minister has said that we believe that America will not be involved in this.
02:00Then yesterday, Mr. Rana Sinhawala said that the matter was also discussed with the Prime Minister.
02:05He also thinks that America will not be involved in this.
02:09So, there is concern, there is concern.
02:12The PTI hopes that it will happen.
02:14They hope that it will not happen.
02:16No, look, the justice movement will have hope.
02:21It has nothing to do with me and you saying it.
02:24Yes, I agree with what Mr. Shah said.
02:27It does not happen that in two months, Donald Trump will call,
02:31or he will send some of his supporters to Pakistan,
02:34and they will go to the government of Pakistan.
02:37In this way, they will not engage in the normal course of Pakistan in this way.
02:43They have their own philosophy, but they will see
02:46that the current establishment, the current government,
02:49how far it wants to take Imran Khan.
02:53It is possible that if there is a possibility of running Mr. Khan's trial in the military court,
03:02or if he is going to be given a severe punishment,
03:05then at that time, I feel that the Americans will use their influence somewhere.
03:10Just like Parvez Musharraf was their favorite president,
03:14that is why they made an agreement between Parvez Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto.
03:20No, let me put you another question.
03:23I say the same thing.
03:25I say that first, the PTI lobbied in America.
03:30They got a letter from 60 congressmen to the President.
03:34Biden put it on the side table.
03:37Will they not be able to put so much pressure on Trump
03:41that they activate the same letter,
03:44and put the President who was in agreement with him in it,
03:47and Trump said to Quid Pro Quo,
03:49after all, donors matter a lot there, you know.
03:52As far as the message is concerned,
03:54the question is that when Clinton removed Mr. Mian,
03:59he did not say it himself,
04:01he said to Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar,
04:04that you talk to Musharraf,
04:06and I want him out before January 20th,
04:08before I leave.
04:10And then in December, Mr. Mian left.
04:12Look, sir, Trump is an unpredictable man.
04:17He is the President.
04:19He can say anything at any time.
04:21You can put any question regarding Pakistan, regarding Imran Khan,
04:26and he can say anything in response to that.
04:29But that does not mean that he means it.
04:33This is also a type of man...
04:35You do not remember the big announcements of foreign policy
04:38that you used to do on Twitter.
04:40That is what I am saying.
04:42So that is why I think that PTI,
04:44the way they overreacted on Trump's victory,
04:49in my opinion,
04:51they will ultimately suffer a loss.
04:53If Trump uses his influence at some stage,
04:57then that is a good thing.
04:59When he uses it,
05:01when you get relief,
05:03when you get something,
05:05that is a different thing.
05:07Today, if you distribute sweets only because of his victory,
05:11that maybe Trump will get rid of Imran Khan,
05:14then at least I do not think that this will happen.
05:18And neither should Tehreek-e-Insaf feel this way.
05:21Why Faisal?
05:22So that they can use their influence on their senators.
05:25The thing is,
05:27Tehreek-e-Insaf will not try to do this.
05:31If there is no domestic engagement,
05:35then at some point,
05:37PTI does not have anything more important than Imran Khan.
05:41He is the only man.
05:43Then what will happen to the world,
05:45that we are slaves?
05:47Why is America interfering?
05:49Let me make my point.
05:51PM has also done this.
05:53Give respect to the vote.
05:57The thing is,
05:59PTI will not try to engage such a person,
06:05such a person,
06:07such a person,
06:09who can do something for Imran Khan.
06:12So if they try,
06:14You are saying means and justify means.
06:17We may not like Caesar,
06:21but we all love Rome more.
06:23The thing is,
06:25if there is domestic engagement,
06:27then why should the army talk?
06:29You are saying,
06:31if there is no domestic engagement,
06:33then the US involvement.
06:35Let's take a quick break.
06:37I have a suggestion.
06:41Let's take a quick break.
06:43Then we will come back and talk.
06:45Do and justify means.
06:47We will talk about this after the break.