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00:00Assalam o Alaikum viewers, I welcome you to the program. I am your host Khawar Gommar and I am joined by Hassan Youb and Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin.
00:06In a short while, we will also be joined by Haider Naqeeb.
00:10Since yesterday, we have been talking about the political upheaval in the world.
00:17Comments are being made all over the world about how President Trump's next four years will be.
00:25The Democrats are very scared about human rights.
00:30Of course, the four years that President Trump has been given, one term has been postponed.
00:37And during this time, you know, a lot of cases have been filed against him.
00:41According to the latest reports, he needed 270 electoral college votes.
00:46He has received 295 votes.
00:49And along with that, it is also very unprecedented with any president
00:54that he gets a majority in the Senate and Congress House of Representatives.
01:01So it is very easy to make decisions.
01:04This is our top story.
01:05But before going to our top story, viewers, let me share a good news with you.
01:10The 26th amendment was passed.
01:12The law was passed to provide cheap and immediate justice.
01:18The number of judges in the Supreme Court also became a constitutional bench.
01:25And that number was increased from 17 to 34.
01:29Similarly, you saw that the number was increased from 9 to 12 in the Islamabad High Court.
01:36Judicial benches will also be built on the provincial level.
01:41According to today's news, the house rent of the judges of the Supreme Court was increased from 68,000 to 3,50,000.
01:57Producer, if you tell me the cost, I will make it clear that it is 250 or 300 percent.
02:05Similarly, the Judicial Allowance, which was 342,000, was increased to 10,900,000.
02:18This is good news.
02:20And we hope that after the increase in the number of judges and especially after the increase in the salary of judges of the Supreme Court,
02:29the wishes and efforts of the current government in the country will be fulfilled.
02:40Viewers, let's move on to our story.
02:43The American democracy has been going on for 250-300 years.
02:48There are some golden principles behind it that are followed.
02:52The institutions there are considered.
02:56Yesterday, when you saw that the results started coming,
03:01as a result, it became clear that President Trump has won the election.
03:10After that, the losing candidate conceded very gracefully.
03:16First of all, let's listen to her speech.
03:18In what words did Kamala Harris accept her defeat?
03:41A fundamental principle of American democracy is that when we lose an election, we accept the results.
03:49That principle, as much as any other, distinguishes democracy from monarchy or tyranny.
03:58And anyone who seeks the public trust must honor it.
04:04At the same time, in our nation, we owe loyalty not to a president or a party, but to the Constitution of the United States.
04:18Kamala Harris, the Vice President, has said that the fundamental core principle of our democracy is that
04:30our loyalty is not towards a political party or a certain office, but towards the Constitution of the country.
04:38She also said that the beauty of democracy and at least the strength of the American democracy and its principles
04:48is that even if you lose, you should accept the defeat gracefully.
04:53And I accept that.
04:55I have called President-elect Donald Trump and convinced him that
05:01a peaceful transfer of power will be carried out by the outgoing White House administration.
05:14And this will be completed by the 20th of January.
05:18I was watching the two-time President Barack Obama.
05:23He campaigned very vigorously.
05:25I saw a statement from him.
05:27More or less, he said that the golden principle of our Constitution and our democracy is that
05:38when the public expresses their opinion despite the disagreement,
05:45we should accept the opinion of the public.
05:50And this is the principle of any democracy.
05:54And this is the difference between a democratic country and a dictatorship.
06:00Viewers, let me tell you another incident.
06:03In America, the count of votes has been calculated in a good way, so the result has come.
06:10There, the vote came from space.
06:12Spaceship did not send votes.
06:15You see, their mission is in space.
06:18And this vote came from there.
06:21And even if there was a spaceship on the way, the vote did not come into their hands.
06:28This is a report from Fox News.
06:52...and then transmitted to Mission Control at the Johnson Space Center in Houston.
06:56The NASA Center then electronically submits the ballots to the appropriate county clerk's office in Texas for filing.
07:02Yes, absolutely. Voting? You bet.
07:05I actually voted early, a couple of weeks ago.
07:08So I got my ballot in and made sure that mine got counted.
07:13In America, you can do advanced balloting.
07:16You can send it by mail.
07:19That's what they did.
07:20Astronauts are saying that I sent my vote and I wanted my vote to be counted.
07:25Hassan, taking advantage of your presence in America,
07:29Look, this is America's strength.
07:32A lot of people thought, especially the viewers in Pakistan,
07:36that the way this campaign has been carried out,
07:39that there has been a lot of fighting,
07:42that there has been a lot of taunts and insults,
07:45between two parties, Republicans and Democrats.
07:48And especially the way the candidates called each other,
07:51Kamala said, you're a fascist to Trump, you're a Hitler.
07:55I don't know what else she said.
07:57Similarly, Donald Trump said, she's a crazy woman.
08:00There's no brain, there's nothing.
08:02But when the public's opinion came out,
08:05then that opinion was accepted with great precedence.
08:11And we're talking about moving forward.
08:13Hassan.
08:14Yes, absolutely.
08:15This is the beauty of the American Republic,
08:19that whoever loses here,
08:21he accepts his defeat with an open heart.
08:24Here, on the streets, since 2014,
08:26the way people came to us,
08:28they first talked about 35-45,
08:30and then later they refused that it was a personal matter.
08:33You don't see this kind of behavior in America.
08:37Look, the election campaign started here.
08:41First, Joe Biden was the president-elect,
08:45against Donald Trump.
08:47But then, they had a debate.
08:56After that debate, the Democrats realized that
09:00if Joe Biden, who is the current president,
09:04is running for president,
09:06then he doesn't even have a 5% chance of winning the election.
09:10So that was a walkover for Donald Trump.
09:14Kamala Harris came, and she was very aggressive.
09:18And she campaigned very well.
09:20But anyway, Donald Trump was accepted here.
09:24And Kamala Harris had another problem.
09:27The problem was that she was the sitting vice president,
09:30and she couldn't disagree with the president of her own party.
09:34People are very disappointed with President Joe Biden,
09:38because the way he ran the country,
09:42people didn't agree with him.
09:45And we just saw a reflection of that in the elections.
09:48In the November 1st week elections,
09:51Donald Trump got a 270 mark,
09:54which he was required to get.
09:56And he's now at 295.
09:58That's right, that's the result.
10:00And he's got the majority in Congress.
10:04Mr. Ghulam Sain, look,
10:07the world is a big democracy.
10:10Obviously, the way they voted,
10:13the way millions of Americans voted,
10:16there was balloting, there was mail-in,
10:19there was mail-in voting,
10:21it was done in a proper way, with no time.
10:23It's important to say that
10:25there is no Sikandar Sultan Raja in America.
10:29There is no centralized election commission.
10:32Elections are held on the county level.
10:35For example, I'm in Islamabad.
10:38In F6, there is a union council,
10:41or a council level institution.
10:44People will vote there,
10:47and they will count it and send it to their state.
10:50For example, in Lahore, there's Maltown,
10:53Garden Town, DHA,
10:55there are polling booths in small places.
10:58No one runs around with a ballot box.
11:01There's no problem with counting, Mr. Chaudhary.
11:04This is a beautiful democracy.
11:06That's why it deserves to be called
11:09a powerful country in the world.
11:12And they say, learn democracy from us, Mr. Chaudhary.
11:16No.
11:18They wanted to learn from you,
11:21the results of the 8th of February,
11:24which you didn't get yet.
11:26They wanted to learn from you,
11:28but you didn't teach them a lesson.
11:31Leave these things.
11:33Last time, there was a lot of commotion in January,
11:37where people think it's unfair to them,
11:40so they have a right to protest.
11:42If someone is coming or going on the streets,
11:45they don't leave their homes out of interest.
11:48They don't want to confront their citizens.
11:51You have to account for the injustice you've done to them.
11:56But this is a good lesson for the whole world,
11:59that the people you were trying to fool
12:02with the force of propaganda,
12:04no one believes that.
12:06There's a very senior journalist from here,
12:09and a former minister,
12:13who said, all the way,
12:16Kamala Devi Harris,
12:19you've seen her,
12:22she was nowhere near any success.
12:27You have to fix the system here,
12:30and make people trust you.
12:33This is very important.
12:36He's right.
12:39He was a former chairman of the PCB.
12:42I would like to say something.
12:45When people protested in DC,
12:48when people protested in the parliament,
12:51when people sat on the chair of the Speaker,
12:54in America,
12:56you know that the courts here
12:58gave them harsh punishments.
13:00And those people have gone to jail,
13:02and some people are still in jail.
13:04This is a right of trade.
13:07Donald Trump has become president.
13:10But will their punishments be forgiven?
13:12That's not the case.
13:14The law here,
13:16when they give the presidential pardon,
13:18they say, I'll give it to you.
13:20But until now,
13:22those people are in jail.
13:24They're getting their own punishments.
13:26But in our country,
13:28the people of 9th May,
13:30are still protesting.
13:32Let's move on.
13:34Mr. Nagvi,
13:36this decision should be made.
13:38Trump will deal with it.
13:40This is a right to protest.
13:42We're moving on to another topic.
13:44Mr. Nagvi,
13:46the beauty of the American democracy,
13:48Mr. Chaudhary mentioned it in Pakistan.
13:50He's a friend of ours.
13:52He's in the media.
13:54He's gone to the government and PCB.
13:56We have another friend.
13:58He's a senior journalist.
14:00He said,
14:02there will be a lot of bloodshed.
14:04There will be fights.
14:06The case will go to the courts.
14:08Maybe the election result
14:10won't come out.
14:12But the next day,
14:14he said,
14:16he shouldn't have done it.
14:18The environment is better there.
14:20So, this is the beauty
14:22of the American democracy.
14:24From the east coast to the west coast,
14:26there are thousands of polling stations.
14:28There was no fight.
14:30And of course,
14:32those who lost,
14:34congratulated them.
14:36And said,
14:38since the people voted for you,
14:40you should go to the government.
14:42Mr. Nagvi?
14:44Let's take a step back.
14:46There were elections in 2020.
14:48There were results in 2020.
14:50After 2020,
14:52the whole world saw
14:54how these people took to the streets,
14:56how they refused to accept the results.
14:58So, they,
15:00the beauty of democracy is that
15:02there is no other option.
15:04But they learned from their mistakes.
15:06And success is what you learn from your mistakes.
15:08Donald Trump,
15:10before the election results came out,
15:12during the voting,
15:14he said that whatever the result is,
15:16we will accept it.
15:18Besides this, Donald Trump was attacked twice.
15:20But you may not have heard
15:22such a speech of Donald Trump
15:24Come on, burn it down.
15:26Come on, surround it.
15:28Come on, kill it.
15:30So, when you show
15:32goodness from both sides,
15:34then such a democracy is formed.
15:36When you show goodness from both sides,
15:38then such attitudes are formed.
15:40So, it is very important that
15:42if you want to make anything beautiful,
15:44then it should be two-way
15:46in any relationship,
15:48in any relationship,
15:50in any politics, in any business.
15:52So, Donald Trump learned from his past,
15:54which you referred to,
15:56that after the results of 2020,
15:58he attacked America.
16:00So, he learned from it,
16:02and before the results came out,
16:04he said that whatever the result is,
16:06we will accept it.
16:08And obviously, he won.
16:10Okay, viewers, the reference of 2020
16:12is being given, 6th of January.
16:14Obviously, his supporters protested there
16:16that we are winning the election,
16:18but there was a problem in the middle.
16:20Those who did injustice,
16:22those who trespassed,
16:24they were caught, prosecuted.
16:26In front of everyone,
16:28the case of Dindiharay went on,
16:30and those who were punished,
16:32they were punished.
16:34Now, in Pakistan, the matter is that
16:36Alhamdulillah, all our elections
16:38were controversial.
16:40One or two, especially in the 1990 election,
16:42when Nawaz Sharif became the Prime Minister
16:44for the first time,
16:46a clear judgment of the Supreme Court
16:48was given.
16:50There was a Mehran Bank scandal.
16:52I don't know how many millions
16:54were distributed.
16:56Now, 2024 is a fast-forward election.
16:58On 8th February,
17:00obviously, it is our way.
17:02Those who are hopeful of losing,
17:04they do their petition
17:06under the election law.
17:08It should be done within 3 months.
17:10But in Pakistan, obviously,
17:12the law is followed.
17:14Till now, viewers,
17:16the controversies that have been created
17:18and broken,
17:20even after 9 elections,
17:22the controversy is still there.
17:24After the general elections
17:26in February 2024,
17:2823 election tribunals were established
17:30in the country to deal with the controversies.
17:32After that, in Punjab,
17:34a total of 8 tribunals were established.
17:36Earlier, only 2 tribunals were formed.
17:38However, on 12th June,
17:406 more tribunals were formed
17:42on behalf of the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court.
17:44The Election Commission challenged
17:46it in the Supreme Court.
17:48After the elections in February 2024,
17:50370 election requests
17:52were filed in the election tribunals
17:54across the country.
17:56After filing a petition
17:58according to the Election Act 2017,
18:00the election tribunal has to decide
18:02within 180 days.
18:04Viewers, you can see this.
18:06However, according to Fafan's report,
18:08all tribunals,
18:10out of 377,
18:12only 25 tribunals were able
18:14to fulfill their requests.
18:16This is the reality
18:18in our country.
18:20Of course,
18:22it is very important
18:24for institutions to work
18:26and the Election Commission to work.
18:28We will talk about this
18:30after the break.
18:32I want to talk about this.
18:34Yes, Mr. Hassan,
18:36you can talk.
18:38The thing is that
18:40the Judiciary of the Election Commission
18:42has the right
18:44to nominate a tribunal
18:46on its own.
18:48When the court says
18:50that this is not your job,
18:52this is our job,
18:54then such issues will arise.
18:56When institutions work within their own limits,
18:58then there can be no delays.
19:00But when the Judiciary of the Election Commission
19:02has the right
19:04to notify the election tribunal,
19:06then when the Judiciary says
19:08that we have to do this
19:10because the tribunal will come from us,
19:12then your problems will increase.
19:14So our institutions should also
19:16work within their own limits.
19:18The Election Commission is an institution
19:20and people should be careful
19:22when talking about the leadership
19:24of the Election Commission
19:26because they also have the right
19:28to the contempt of the Election Commission.
19:30You are 100% right.
19:32You are strengthening
19:34the issue that you are highlighting.
19:36You have explained the issue
19:38very well.
19:40We are trying to do the same.
19:42Issues in the country of Pakistan
19:44are not resolved,
19:46they continue.
19:48This is not the first election.
19:50We saw that the elections of 2018
19:52were pending.
19:54You saw that in 2013,
19:56the Election Commission
19:58released Mr. Khaya,
20:00but the Supreme Court continued.
20:02These are cross-political parties.
20:04This is the issue that we are highlighting.
20:06Let's go to the break.
20:08After the break, we will talk about
20:10a change of guard in America.
20:12There are different reactions
20:14coming from Pakistan
20:16to cross-political parties.
20:18The government is giving a reaction.
20:20A different reaction is coming
20:22from Pakistan's Judiciary.
20:24What are the motivations behind this?
20:26What are the parties expecting?
20:28What are the wishes?
20:30What is going to happen?
20:32Let's go to the break.
20:34There is a big truth
20:36in the internal affairs of Pakistan.
20:38The impact of America
20:40on economy, politics,
20:42and security.
20:44Our history tells us
20:46more than one incident.
20:48First of all,
20:50we will tell you about
20:52Mr. Mushahid Hussain Syed.
20:54He was an information minister
20:56during the 90s.
20:58He was close to Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
21:00He told us about
21:02the current election.
21:04What is he saying?
21:06What is going to happen
21:08after Trump wins?
21:10Who does Trump know in Pakistan?
21:12In Pakistan,
21:14Trump knows no one
21:16except for
21:18Imran Khan.
21:20He welcomed him
21:22with open arms.
21:24He likes him.
21:26You know,
21:28the White House
21:30is an office
21:32and a private residence.
21:34He took Imran Khan
21:36to his private quarters.
21:38His wife said,
21:40I want a selfie with you separately.
21:42Selfie means
21:44with Imran Khan.
21:46He said,
21:48Imran Khan is a fantastic guy.
21:50He is a great guy.
21:52He treated him like a celebrity.
21:54He looked up to him.
21:56He welcomed Modi
21:58but it was a normal welcome.
22:00In the past,
22:02there was an incident
22:04where President Clinton
22:06had a good relationship
22:08with Nawaz Sharif.
22:10Nawaz Sharif had
22:12a good relationship
22:14with Nawaz Sharif.
22:16When Nawaz Sharif
22:18had a bad time,
22:20General Musharraf
22:22put up a march.
22:24Nawaz Sharif
22:26had a bad time
22:28before the march.
22:30Musharraf is telling us this incident.
22:32In 1999,
22:34Nawaz Sharif was the Prime Minister
22:36and Bill Clinton
22:38was the President of the United States.
22:40They had a good relationship
22:42like Imran Khan and Trump.
22:44When the coup happened,
22:46they were punished.
22:48Clinton called
22:50three countries,
22:52Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Qatar
22:54to form a consortium.
22:56He said his last day in office
22:58was January 20, 2001.
23:00He wanted Nawaz Sharif
23:02to be released before his departure.
23:04Come what may,
23:06he formed a consortium
23:08and put pressure on General Musharraf.
23:10On December 10, 2000,
23:12a 747 Jumbo
23:14took the entire family
23:16to freedom.
23:18If you remember,
23:20a ship came
23:22and we packed our luggage
23:24and went to Bawarchi.
23:26Nawaz Sharif
23:28went to Sarur Palace
23:30and made an
23:32agreement
23:34to stay there
23:36for 8-10 years.
23:38He came back
23:40and said
23:42he had no agreement.
23:44Those who had an agreement
23:46came to Pakistan
23:48and told us
23:50that we had an agreement
23:52and we had to go back.
23:54The countries
23:56that Musharraf mentioned
23:58and especially
24:00the intelligence chief
24:02from Saudi Arabia
24:04told us that they had an agreement
24:06and we had to go back.
24:08This is a statement
24:10by Prince Makran.
24:12We have an agreement
24:14signed
24:16and we are hopeful
24:18that the Siani
24:20will adhere to that agreement
24:22and stick to it.
24:24An agreement made with the custodian
24:26of the two holy mosques.
24:28I think an agreement with the custodian
24:30of the two holy mosques should be honoured.
24:32So,
24:34Mr. Naqvi,
24:36Mr. Musharraf is an experienced politician.
24:38He is explaining the past
24:40and saying that
24:42a call will definitely come.
24:44Are you expecting a call
24:46or do you think it will come?
24:48First of all,
24:50I want to talk about
24:52Mr. Musharraf's statement
24:54about Donald Trump.
24:56Who does Trump know in Pakistan?
24:58Trump is not the name of
25:00Roger Federer, Tom Cruise
25:02or Britney Spears.
25:04Trump is the name of
25:06a US president
25:08and the state
25:10has to know
25:12and talk to the US president.
25:14This is a very interesting statement.
25:16Secondly, you mentioned
25:18Mr. Musharraf's statement
25:20about Bill Clinton.
25:22It was exactly the same,
25:24but on the request of Mr. Musharraf.
25:26In 1999,
25:28when you go back
25:30and see what happened
25:32after the war in Afghanistan,
25:34it was necessary to remove
25:36Nawaz Sharif from the picture
25:38and put pressure on him
25:40to leave Pakistan.
25:42He was not ready to go.
25:44He was in jail.
25:46Very good.
25:48You told a very good story,
25:50but the reality behind it
25:52is a little different.
25:54You can tell the truth
25:56in your own way.
25:58I can tell the truth
26:00in my own way.
26:02I can tell the truth
26:04in my own way.
26:06I have connected dots
26:08between you and Mr. Musharraf.
26:10There are many facts.
26:12This is a false accusation.
26:14I have connected dots
26:16between you and Mr. Musharraf.
26:18It is a false accusation.
26:20Mr. Musharraf did not give
26:22any documents.
26:24He is a fact.
26:26He has well connected
26:28with all the information
26:30I have with him.
26:32I have said the truth.
27:04Explain what he said, what did he say?
27:06I think that if the new administration of President Trump or his own office gets a call,
27:13a call is a call from the United States of America.
27:18Then there is no room for a no.
27:22In my opinion, in our system, it is not so strict that we can resist.
27:26And that call will not be just this.
27:28That call will go, a copy of it will go to Riyadh, a copy will go to Abu Dhabi.
27:34That will be a collective effort, right?
27:37Okay, now a very powerful statement has passed through my eyes, that of Khawaja Asif Sahib.
27:45Now what is he saying first, he is saying that some people want him to go abroad.
27:52Some countries are also telling us, listen to what we are saying.
27:56There is a popular probing that some foreign powers who have international influence should intervene.
28:10I am talking about the PTI and that Imran Khan should intervene and take it to him.
28:19There is such a thing and some countries are asking for a slight interest from time to time.
28:31Is this option available?
28:33But I don't think there is such an option available.
28:38They are saying that there is no such option available.
28:40Mr. Rana Sanada, you may not know, he is speaking openly.
28:43Mr. Amir Khan, now it is our turn to say absolutely not, listen to what he is saying.
28:49If America comes to help Imran Khan, then fine, when he comes, we will see.
28:59He is the same man who used to say that America has conspired against me, we are slaves.
29:06Then we can also take that stance that why should we change our judicial system on the basis of America's words.
29:22If someone has been punished according to our judicial system, then are we slaves to change it on their behalf?
29:27But Mr. Rana, because he is a very shrewd politician, he said that this is my personal opinion,
29:32but if he wants to go, then no problem, he can go.
29:37My personal opinion is that if Donald Trump wants to take him, then he should send him,
29:45so that both brothers can get together and work together there.
29:50Hassan Ayub, all these incidents, obviously, the questions that you ask in every television program,
29:55different people go to them, what is the history of Pakistan, people are commenting on it,
30:01there are wishes from both sides, there is also a wish from the PTI, the government has its own wishes.
30:05Hassan.
31:05Hassan.
31:12Facts, we are just keeping the facts on the record.
31:35Facts, we are just keeping the facts on the record.
32:05Facts, we are just keeping the facts on the record.
32:35Facts, we are just keeping the facts on the record.
33:05Facts, we are just keeping the facts on the record.
33:35State policy.
33:37State policy.
33:39State policy can change at any time.
33:41State policy can change at any time.
33:43Mr. Chaudhary, the question is that Rana Sanaullah has said another very interesting thing,
33:47he says that if Imran Khan becomes Jalawatan, then all his statements will be destroyed.
33:53First listen to this statement of Rana Sanaullah, then I will comment on it.
33:57If he goes out of the country, then all his statements, his politics, his jail,
34:03everything will be destroyed.
34:07And his party will be destroyed.
34:11It will take 8-10 years for him to come back.
34:15What will be the situation after so long?
34:17What will be the incidents?
34:19This is a very heart-wrenching thing, because Rana Sanaullah, viewers, one must give him the credit.
34:25This is Javed Khashmi, the way Noon League treated him, he is in front of everyone.
34:29These were the people, they were standing in Pakistan, they tolerated all the insults.
34:33They did not go out after making a deal.
34:35The news from Adela Jail is that they are saying that I don't want to go, put my name in ECL.
34:41So Mr. Chaudhary, this whole debate that is going on,
34:45Pakistan Muslim League Noon seems to have a desire that this person should go, leave his life.
34:51The way he said that the Western world keeps saying that they want to go, they don't want to go.
35:01Rana Sanaullah has also expressed his personal opinion that if they want to go, then let them go.
35:07And it is a good thing.
35:09He said that his situation with Trump will also be very good.
35:11Listen to what he is saying.
35:13My personal opinion is that if Donald Trump wants to take him, then he should send him.
35:19So that both brothers get together and work together there.
35:23Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
35:25If he wants to take him, then send him.
35:27So that both brothers can sit together and have a chat.
35:29Mr. Chaudhary, go ahead.
35:33No, these are their own thoughts.
35:35We have nothing to do with it.
35:37We know that the majority of the country's 25 crore population is behind one person.
35:41You can't do anything.
35:43Except that if his life is over, then only Allah knows.
35:47So they will continue to cry.
35:49Your show is that first you have to abuse the PTI and its leader so much.
35:57After that, you have to spread your propaganda on lies.
36:01After that, if you don't want anything, then you have to make fun of it.
36:07No respect for age, no respect for office, no thought of experience.
36:11No respect for age, no respect for office, no thought of experience.
36:15And the fourth thing is that if you choose, then ask Mr. Chaudhary.
36:21So continue with your...
36:23I don't think this is the policy of the...
36:25No, no, Mr. Chaudhary.
36:27I just want to know this from you.
36:29It's their opinion.
36:31Everyone's opinion.
36:33You are expressing your opinion.
36:35No problem.
36:37Let the people of Pakistan decide.
36:39Let the people of Pakistan decide.
36:41Let the people of Pakistan decide.
36:43I will talk to Mr. Chaudhary during the break.
36:45I will talk to Mr. Chaudhary during the break.
36:47We will talk to Mr. Chaudhary again after the break.
36:49We will talk to Mr. Chaudhary again after the break.
36:51Stay with us.
36:53Mr. Ghulam Singh, you are elder.
36:55We learn from you.
36:57You have the right.
36:59You can also scold us.
37:01You did everything yesterday.
37:03I respect you.
37:05I am one of those who learn.
37:07Former Editor of Khansa Don.
37:09Why are you making fun of me?
37:11Why are you making fun of me?
37:13He said that in journalism,
37:15He said that in journalism,
37:17every day you learn.
37:19Our profession is such that
37:21every day you learn.
37:23Our profession is such that
37:25every day you learn.
37:27Our profession is such that
37:29every day you learn.
37:31The question is,
37:33if the desire is expressed from the US,
37:35will Pakistan have to act on it?
37:37will Pakistan have to act on it?
37:41Whatever they want to convey,
37:43Whatever they want to convey,
37:45there is no need for a letter or telephone from there.
37:47there is no need for a letter or telephone from there.
37:49There are different ways.
37:51They also know
37:53what message to give to which person.
37:55It is not necessary
37:57that you talk to Ishaq Dar,
37:59the new Foreign Minister.
38:01that you talk to Ishaq Dar,
38:03I don't want to talk more than this.
38:05They know who to tell
38:07and they have to act on it.
38:09But Imran Khan's
38:11and the party's policy in my opinion,
38:13they say that we have to
38:15get our cases finished by the courts.
38:17Whoever wants to get these punishments,
38:19and every day
38:21they give statements.
38:23We have to go from there
38:25and they have no intention of
38:27going out of Pakistan.
38:29He is going to stay in Pakistan
38:31no matter what.
38:33Number two.
38:35They think that these cases
38:37are political cases
38:39are political cases
38:41are political cases
38:43and there is no life in them
38:45and this is going to end
38:47today or tomorrow.
38:49So all this debate,
38:51Mishahid Hussain Syed,
38:53I think that
38:55there are very few people in Pakistan
38:57who speak with clarity.
38:59They have been saying
39:01for a long time
39:03that you should decide
39:05yourself
39:07so that you don't have to worry later.
39:09The people sitting here
39:11have only one aim
39:13and that is not to leave
39:15the power they have.
39:17Mr. Naqvi, the other day
39:19you said that Bushra Bibi
39:21has come out.
39:23So there is a possibility
39:25that Bani PTI can be removed
39:27What do you think,
39:29with this change of guard in the US,
39:31will they stay in the country?
39:33Will they be kept in their homes?
39:35Will the country be closed?
39:37There have been more incidents
39:39in the past.
39:41Benazir Bhutto has gone into self-exile.
39:43Nawaz Sharif has made an agreement
39:45so the politicians should stay in the country.
39:47What do you think,
39:49after 20th January,
39:51when the government
39:53will take charge
39:55in the US?
40:25Historical facts, Hassan,
40:27what do you think,
40:29in Pakistan,
40:31as you just said,
40:33Nawaz Sharif's incident,
40:35that internationally,
40:37especially in the US,
40:39there has been
40:41some kind of
40:43international intervention.
40:45Do you think
40:47that the US
40:49and Pakistan
40:51will be able to
40:53resolve this issue?
40:55What do you think?
40:57This is Mr. Naqvi's opinion.
40:59He is saying that house arrest
41:01is possible.
41:03They will not leave the country.
41:05Some people think they will leave.
41:07Hassan, quick.
41:09I have presented my analysis
41:11on the question you asked.
41:13Let me give you the news.
41:15Mr. Imran Ahmed Niazi,
41:17Imran Ahmed Niazi,
41:19his name is Imran Ahmed Niazi,
41:21which is a title
41:23he has given himself.
41:25Mr. Imran Ahmed Niazi
41:27will remain in Adela Jail.
41:29He will spend a long time
41:31in Adela Jail.
41:33The decision of £190 million
41:35is ready to come.
41:37The stay of
41:39the Istanbul High Court
41:41has been terminated.
41:43Now the matter has been
41:45remanded back for trial.
41:47You are right.
41:49I am going to stick with
41:51Mr. Naqvi's news.
41:53We will hear from him
41:55in the next few months.
41:57See you tomorrow.

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