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00:00Our relations were really very, very disturbed, for reasons I think all of you know.
00:06We have made some progress in what we call disengagement, there are very large number
00:12of Chinese troops deployed along the Line of Actual Control who were not there before
00:162020.
00:17Yes, we have made some progress, you know, our relations were really very, very disturbed,
00:27for reasons I think all of you know.
00:29We have made some progress in what we call disengagement, which is when troops were very
00:35close to each other, with the possibility that it could lead to some untoward incident.
00:42But that's one part of the issue.
00:45There are other aspects, the fact is, you know, there are very large number of Chinese
00:50troops deployed along the Line of Actual Control who were not there before 2020, and we in
00:56turn have counter-deployed.
00:59And there are other aspects of the relationship which also got affected during this period.
01:04So clearly, we have to see after the disengagement what is the direction we go, but we do think
01:12the disengagement is a welcome step.
01:16It opens up the possibility that, you know, other steps could happen.
01:21The expectation after Prime Minister Modi met President Xi was that both the National
01:28Security Advisor and myself, we would meet our counterpart.
01:32So that's really where things are.
01:35What does it mean for the Quad?
01:37Look, the Quad, I would say, has a bigger purpose.
01:42I mean, think of the Quad.
01:43I mean, you have four democracies, four market economies, four countries with a strong record
01:50of global contributions, all of whom, by the way, happen to be maritime nations, who have
01:56found a kind of a common agenda on which to work, not a security agenda.
02:02I mean, the Quad does many things, I mean, from connectivity and climate forecasting
02:08to fellowships.
02:12So there are a whole sort of set of activities out here, and in a way, you can say, because
02:20it relates to your final observation, look, the kind of expectations that the world had
02:27from the United States in the 40s and 50s and 60s, they are not realistic anymore.
02:34I mean, in the United States, I mean, irrespective of what happens in the election, the fact
02:40is the United States will, its own global contributions, relatively speaking, are going
02:48to be less.
02:49Now, there will be a deficit.
02:52So we have to ask ourselves, do we leave the deficit unaddressed?
02:56Is it addressed by somebody with a very different vision of the global order?
03:00Or do those who have a sort of a common interest and a common vision actually come together?
03:06So the Quad is really option three, which is four countries who feel on many basic issues
03:14that they have a common viewpoint working together.
03:21But there is, I mean, no question that, I mean, just the numbers tell you, if you look
03:27at what were the top 10 economies of the world 50 years ago, 30 years ago, 20 years ago,
03:34you can see there's a shift from the West.
03:37And I think Australian foreign policy has also made those adjustments.
03:40And part of our own relationship today with Australia is, you know, we also, for us,
03:48you know, many years ago, we started with something called Look East.
03:52This was during Narsimha Rao's time.
03:55And then it kept developing from the ASEAN, beyond the ASEAN.
03:58I think today, you know, Modiji made it activist, then we took it further, saying that we need
04:05to, you know, particularly engage the Indo-Pacific countries.
04:10So my sense is India is looking much more towards the Pacific.
04:16More than half our trade, by the way, is actually done east of India.
04:21Australia is looking much more towards Asia and the Indo-Pacific.
04:24And I think that is one of the reasons today why our relationship is so much stronger.