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00:00I will quote Amnesty from yesterday.
00:03While the war crimes of Hamas would be criticized,
00:06the federal government does not even call Israel a war crime.
00:12Can you give me a war crime in Israel?
00:17I can't give you a war crime that has not been clearly determined,
00:23but I think it is right that it is being investigated.
00:26You can't or don't want to?
00:28You have to make an effort.
00:31But there is a difference.
00:33If I now stand up and say you have committed war crimes,
00:36then that is, so to speak, a...
00:39The point is, you say that in Russia and Hamas too,
00:42and that is completely correct.
00:44And if in Gaza, civil infrastructure, electricity, water, etc. is bombarded,
00:48then that is crystal clear.
00:50If refugee camps that are overcrowded are bombarded,
00:52then that is crystal clear.
00:54If residential buildings are bombarded with people,
00:57then that is crystal clear.
00:59If a tactic of starvation,
01:01which was even mentioned by Scholz in Jerusalem recently,
01:04is not just words from the government,
01:06but practical actions,
01:08which are shown by the UN and so on,
01:10where Hans pointed out yesterday in the BBK,
01:13two years ago the Bundestag at the Holodomor
01:15called this precisely as genocide,
01:17death by starvation,
01:19then those are crystal clear things that have to be addressed.
01:22But we do that too.
01:24We do that too.
01:25We keep saying all the time that...
01:27You just said yourself that you can't name a single war crime.
01:30No genocide.
01:32No, okay, if you... Examples from...
01:34This is an example from a year ago.
01:36We could do a lot more.
01:38Yes, we could do a lot more.
01:40For example, we could talk about the West Bank
01:42and about the situation there.
01:44We could, but let's stay with Gaza.
01:46You can't name any genocide.
01:48You just said that.
01:50You want to hear from me that I say
01:52that a war crime was committed there
01:54without international law.
01:56Why do you say that about Russia and Hamas?
01:58No, but what is important to me
02:00is that it is investigated
02:02and that the danger is addressed.
02:04And that's what we're saying all the time
02:06against Israel.
02:08The criticism, again, is against Russia and Hamas
02:10and against other people who commit war crimes.
02:12You are very clear and rightly always loud.
02:14But if we now talk about expulsion of the population,
02:16bombardment of civil infrastructure,
02:18bombardment of refugee camps and so on,
02:20then we say that it must be clarified
02:22and that the United Nations must come to a decision.
02:24But that's something else.
02:26Various legal proceedings are now
02:28dealing with these issues.
02:30And that's right.