Hampir satu dekade Diplomasi Indonesia berhasil mendapat sorotan besar dari dunia internasional. Prestasi Indonesia dianggap semakin melaju dalam kebijakan internasional antara lain anggota tetap Dewan Keamanan PBB 2019-2020, KTT G20 2022 dan KTT Asean 2023.
Sebagai agen perdamaian dunia, Indonesia tentu tidak diam melihat kekerasan yang terjadi di Gaza oleh Israel yang menewaskan puluhan ribu jiwa. Sikap konsisten Indonesia membela Hak Rakyat Palestina mencapai kemerdekaannya merupakan wujud pemenuhan Amanat UUD 1945.
Lantas, apa saja capaian Diplomasi Indonesia dalam satu dekade terakhir? Simak perbincangan Rosaline Hioe bersama dengan Pakar Hukum Bisnis dan Perdagangan Internasional – Prof. Ariawan Gunadi di Special Dialogue.
Sebagai agen perdamaian dunia, Indonesia tentu tidak diam melihat kekerasan yang terjadi di Gaza oleh Israel yang menewaskan puluhan ribu jiwa. Sikap konsisten Indonesia membela Hak Rakyat Palestina mencapai kemerdekaannya merupakan wujud pemenuhan Amanat UUD 1945.
Lantas, apa saja capaian Diplomasi Indonesia dalam satu dekade terakhir? Simak perbincangan Rosaline Hioe bersama dengan Pakar Hukum Bisnis dan Perdagangan Internasional – Prof. Ariawan Gunadi di Special Dialogue.
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00:00I'm Rosalind Juh, and I'm happy to be here with you in Special Dialogue.
00:26This time, we will discuss the topic of the Indonesian Republic of Indonesia Diplomacy,
00:30the government of Joko Widodo.
00:32And next, we will follow Special Dialogue's full details for you.
00:45A decade of Indonesia's diplomacy has been a success,
00:47gaining a lot of attention from the international community.
00:50Even Indonesia's achievements are considered to be growing in the international arena.
00:56Indonesia's achievements are considered to be growing in the international arena.
01:00Almost a decade of Indonesia's diplomacy has been a success,
01:03gaining a lot of attention from the international community.
01:07Indonesia's achievements are considered to be growing in the international arena.
01:12Among them are the members of the State Security Council 2019-2020,
01:17KTT G20 in 2022,
01:20and KTT ASEAN 2023.
01:26Even the last two KTT meetings were held amid the uncertainty of the world.
01:31One of them is the war between Russia and Ukraine,
01:35as well as the Myanmar conflict that has not stopped.
01:39On the other hand, as a world peace agent,
01:42Indonesia certainly does not see the violence that took place in Gaza by Israel,
01:46which has grown tens of thousands of souls.
01:50Indonesia's consistent attitude to defend the rights of the Palestinian people to their independence
01:56is the basis of the implementation of the 1945 Basic Law.
02:02So, what has been Indonesia's achievements in the last decade?
02:08Let's discuss it in Special Dialogue.
02:12Special Dialogue
02:17In the next segment, we will discuss our topic today,
02:20about the diplomacy that ignited the Republic of Indonesia,
02:22led by the government of Jokowi.
02:24We have with us in IDX Channel,
02:26Professor Aryawan Gunadi,
02:28who is an expert in business law and international trade.
02:31Hello, Prof. Aryawan, how are you?
02:33How are you? I'm fine.
02:34How are you? Thank you very much for taking the time on IDX Channel.
02:39Prof, as we can see, the Jokowi-Dodo government
02:42has been in power for two periods,
02:44period one and period two.
02:46Especially in period two,
02:48the Indonesian government was in the midst of a very fragmented geopolitical constellation,
02:51as it firmly defended the Palestinians
02:53and stated its support
02:55or condemnation of the genocide
02:58carried out by Israel against Gaza.
03:00Do you see this consistency throughout the Jokowi-Dodo government?
03:04Yes. Thank you, Ocha.
03:06So, IDX viewers,
03:08and all of us can see that,
03:11what was highlighted earlier,
03:13that in the two periods of Jokowi's leadership as president,
03:18there was a consistency,
03:20especially in relation to the long-standing Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
03:25And this is one form of support
03:29for international human rights,
03:32or the rights of international human beings
03:34that have been linked to the world.
03:36I had the opportunity a few months ago
03:39to visit the WTO and the United Nations in Geneva.
03:44We had a lot of discussions
03:46with representatives of the UN and the WTO there.
03:50So, it is clear that
03:53our foreign policy is free and active.
03:56It means that we do not defend the right,
03:58the west or the east,
04:00but we do defend the actions that cause genocide
04:05or violate international human rights.
04:09And we do see that there is an international principle,
04:12which is called self-determination.
04:14We also defend anti-colonialism.
04:19This is also important,
04:20because the aggression or actions
04:23carried out by Israel against Palestine
04:26and the opposite is what we are against.
04:30Therefore, through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
04:33the WTO always advocates
04:35standing for Palestine,
04:37against the genocide and so on.
04:40Actually, what is being challenged
04:43is not only the country,
04:45but also the aggressive actions
04:47carried out by violating the principles
04:50of international human rights.
04:52That is what we challenge,
04:54what we are challenging as Indonesian people
04:58who also highly respect
05:00the importance of international human rights
05:03in the eyes of the world.
05:05But then, as a middle power country,
05:08according to Prof. Aryawan,
05:10how important is it for Indonesia
05:12to take the role to fight for peace?
05:16And then, has Indonesia,
05:18as far as you can see,
05:20already acted as a mediator or a mediator
05:22or actually only in the form of support efforts
05:25or aid?
05:26How far is this, Prof?
05:27Yes, this is a very good question.
05:29So, if we look at the conflict between Russia and Ukraine,
05:32in fact, Mr. Jokowi once visited there,
05:35that is, he met with President Vladimir Putin,
05:38then he met with the President of Ukraine,
05:41that is, he tried to be a bridge builder,
05:44a balance between all that.
05:46But this is not easy,
05:48because being a bridge builder
05:50requires a lot of effort.
05:53And Indonesia actually uses soft power diplomacy.
05:56Actually, we want to try to see,
05:59even though our foreign policy is free and active,
06:02we want to be a bridge builder
06:04in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
06:06And Indonesia also,
06:08in the conflict between Israel and Palestine,
06:10also wants to try to play a role there.
06:13That's why Mrs. Redno,
06:15as a foreign minister,
06:17always wants to campaign
06:20what is being done by the Indonesian side
06:25against the world.
06:27Indeed, the second period,
06:29Mr. Jokowi has an extraordinary challenge,
06:32especially in relation to geopolitics.
06:36But the attitude that was done,
06:38in my opinion, is quite good,
06:40the standing is clear,
06:42that is, supporting the rights of international citizens,
06:45using soft power diplomacy.
06:47Moreover, we are also trusted
06:49as a security agency in the United Nations.
06:51I also had the opportunity to meet with Menlo
06:55a few months ago,
06:57and we saw that
06:59how Mr. Jokowi and Menlo
07:02tried to see Indonesia's position
07:04in the eyes of the world is getting better.
07:06I think this is what the government is trying to build,
07:09and we hope that the government of Mr. Prabowo is also the same.
07:12Then, this soft power diplomacy is carried out,
07:14so that Indonesia plays a role in the world.
07:16So we no longer talk in the context of Indonesia,
07:19but how in globalization,
07:21we have a role in the eyes of the world.
07:23Maybe like that.
07:24Soft power diplomacy.
07:25Soft power diplomacy.
07:26For the form of soft power diplomacy that Indonesia does,
07:28and its significance,
07:30what have you seen in the past 10 years, Prof?
07:32Yes, I see that Indonesia,
07:34through the big donors,
07:36through the diplomats there,
07:38I myself see it,
07:40like in Geneva, in Switzerland,
07:42our diplomats are extraordinary.
07:44Our UN representatives
07:46to represent us
07:48in public forums,
07:50in the UN Security Council and the WTO.
07:52For example, it's amazing to represent.
07:54Well, it's just that
07:56it needs to be continued.
07:58It means that what foreign policy
08:00that we have done so far,
08:02needs to be continued for the future.
08:04Of course, we should continue
08:06what needs to be reviewed, we review.
08:08Why? Because we hope
08:10what is done by the central government
08:12with what is done
08:14in the international world
08:16or abroad,
08:18it must be consistent.
08:20It means, for example, if we see
08:22that this international agreement
08:24needs to be reviewed, for example.
08:26Between the center and the outside world,
08:28it's the same.
08:30The language must be the same.
08:32Why? So that our legal standing
08:34at the international level is not different.
08:36Don't let the center speak A,
08:38don't let the center speak B.
08:40So this is what I think needs to be
08:42continued between one and the other.
08:44Maybe one question before we stop,
08:46when the professor asked how
08:48Indonesia broke off diplomatic relations
08:50with Israel,
08:52until Israel declared
08:54the independence of Palestine.
08:56Do you see the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
08:58to facilitate Indonesia
09:00in the framework of support for Palestine
09:02or is it actually
09:04a challenge in the framework of Indonesia
09:06to become a bridge builder or mediator
09:08for both countries?
09:10Yes, if Indonesia has become like that,
09:12it will be a challenge
09:14for both countries.
09:16Because if we want to be a bridge builder,
09:18we have to be able to
09:20be a great mediator
09:22between these two countries.
09:24But it's not easy.
09:26But Indonesia,
09:28by suppressing
09:30the standing to support
09:32some things,
09:34including suppressing
09:36the actions of Israel
09:38against Palestine,
09:40and also supporting
09:42the independence of Palestine,
09:44and so on.
09:46It does have a good effect.
09:48Actually, the effect is related
09:50to cooperation with countries in the Middle East,
09:52from the energy sector,
09:54maybe mining,
09:56and so on.
09:58We have a good collaboration
10:00with the countries
10:02in the Middle East.
10:04And we hope that not only in the Middle East,
10:06but also in Europe,
10:08America, Australia,
10:10China.
10:12We can also build a good diplomatic cooperation
10:14with those countries.
10:16But if you ask me,
10:18the challenge will be bigger.
10:20Because if we see it,
10:22we have to refer to
10:24our foreign policy that is free and active.
10:26Okay.
10:28It's interesting how
10:30we will continue to discuss
10:32the position of Indonesia
10:34that has been chosen several times
10:36to be the president of the UN Security Council.
10:38But we will discuss it
10:40after the break.
10:42Stay with us on Special Dialogue.
11:01We are still with Prof. Aryawan.
11:03Prof. Aryawan, we discussed
11:05how you said
11:07it was a challenge
11:09when Indonesia
11:11broke diplomatic relations with Israel,
11:13but then continued to try
11:15to find a win-win solution
11:17or a two-state solution.
11:19But if we look at it,
11:21with continuous support,
11:23what is the urgency
11:25that Indonesia is trying to convey
11:27to the world
11:30through international support
11:32or attention towards Palestine
11:34that continues to be voiced
11:36in various international forums?
11:38If I look at it,
11:40in relation to the UN Security Council,
11:42Indonesia is part of it.
11:44Indonesia wants to campaign
11:46to support world peace and security.
11:48That's the mission,
11:50if I look at it.
11:52So we don't want
11:54anti-colonialism.
11:56We want to support
11:58world peace and security
12:00through international cooperation.
12:02So the message
12:04that Indonesia wants to convey
12:06is that it's good.
12:08Indonesia is part of the United Nations.
12:10We also want to support
12:12all countries
12:14without war,
12:16peace, and can interact with each other
12:18peacefully.
12:20This is in line with our Basic Law.
12:22We will support
12:24anything related to
12:26world peace and security internationally.
12:28So far,
12:30from two periods,
12:32Indonesia was chosen
12:34to be the president
12:36of the United Nations Security Council
12:38in 2019 and 2020.
12:40Do you think
12:42the outcome
12:44from Indonesia
12:46is significant?
12:48Is Indonesia able to
12:50make an impact
12:52on Israel?
12:54Yes.
12:56The principle of humanity
12:58is the principle
13:00that Indonesia holds.
13:02Aside from our constitution,
13:04the United Nations Charter,
13:06the UN Charter,
13:08all of these
13:10are to support world peace and security.
13:12That's the foundation.
13:14That's why
13:16anything related to genocide,
13:18aggressive action
13:20against international law
13:22will not be challenged by Indonesia.
13:24Because the principles
13:26of international law
13:28are related to humanity.
13:30We also hope
13:32that the UN resolution
13:34on Palestine
13:36will also be supported by Indonesia.
13:38Why? Because we want
13:40a change
13:42for the Palestinian people
13:44so that the future can be better
13:46without abolishing what is in Israel.
13:48Israel also has legal arguments,
13:50different historical arguments
13:52from each other.
13:54This is an effort
13:56to bridge the gap
13:58between Israel and Palestine.
14:00I think this has been done by Indonesia.
14:02But Indonesia still
14:04stands by
14:06aggressive action
14:08to increase
14:10the war
14:12or to violate the principles of humanity
14:14internationally.
14:16So, how is the diplomacy
14:18especially in terms of soft power
14:20on the issue of Palestine
14:22in the international forums?
14:24We are talking about the Minister of Foreign Affairs,
14:26Retno Marsudi.
14:28When he was on duty
14:30in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
14:32Retno Marsudi was appointed as the special envoy
14:34for water issues in the UN.
14:36How do you see the appointment of Retno Marsudi?
14:38Is it because of Indonesia's success
14:40as the host of the
14:42World Water Forum at that time?
14:44And how
14:46can Retno contribute in the future?
14:48Can it play a role
14:50to support Indonesia's water issue?
14:54If I look at it,
14:56Mrs. Retno is
14:58a woman
15:00with a great
15:02empowerment, in my opinion.
15:04She opens the globalization of
15:06diplomacy and economy in the international world.
15:08We have no doubt.
15:10So, maybe the UN
15:12or the United Nations
15:14can support us
15:16with G20,
15:18ASEAN, ECOSOC,
15:20and other international events.
15:22We even try to
15:24support
15:26the countries
15:28that are behind
15:30or less advanced.
15:32In the end, we have a minister
15:34in the United Nations
15:36as the special envoy of the UN for water.
15:38I think this is
15:40a bridge to what
15:42Mrs. Retno will do in the future.
15:44It will definitely have a big impact on Indonesia
15:46because there is an Indonesian representative
15:48in the United Nations as a special envoy
15:50and can bring
15:52a mission to the world
15:54related to water.
15:56This is a bridge
15:58with a new leadership,
16:00which is
16:02President Prabowo,
16:04to see how to connect
16:06what Mrs. Retno will do
16:08as a special envoy
16:10in the UN
16:12with the new Ministry of Foreign Affairs
16:14so that in line
16:16our foreign policy,
16:18Indonesia's foreign policy,
16:20and Indonesia's foreign policy
16:22are the same, so that the policy
16:24can go hand in hand
16:26with the new leadership of Mr. Prabowo.
16:28Okay.
16:30So, we can see that the international world
16:32also admits that KINANJA
16:34from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Indonesia
16:36is very maximal in several times
16:38as a leader in the international forum.
16:40Talk about various challenges
16:42faced by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
16:44in the first period and also
16:46the second period. Prof, do you see
16:48any significant differences
16:50that Indonesia faces in
16:52period one and two?
16:54Yes. If one is compared to two,
16:56maybe it has its own challenges.
16:58Especially in the second period,
17:00if we look at COVID-19,
17:02then when it comes to the COVID-19 pandemic,
17:04of course the treatment will be different.
17:06There was the Russian-Ukrainian war,
17:08there was a refugee in our country,
17:10there was even an Israel-Palestinian conflict,
17:12and many other things.
17:14Then we also had
17:16with the EU,
17:18there was the EU Deforestation Law
17:20where our palm oil products
17:22could not easily enter the EU.
17:26Of course, the first and second periods
17:28of Mr. Jokowi have different challenges.
17:30It is not easy
17:32if we are in his position
17:34as a government
17:36to be able to manage all of this.
17:38Because imagine
17:40how we enter the transition
17:42of COVID-19,
17:44get out of the zone situation,
17:46handle it, and finally
17:48we can enter and
17:50can regularly
17:52as a society do activities.
17:54It means that the second period has bigger challenges
17:56than the first.
17:58Because the challenges
18:00come in various ways,
18:02health, technology, international,
18:04war abroad,
18:06and also other geopolitical challenges.
18:08Yes, the first and second periods
18:10have their own challenges,
18:12but the second period is quite
18:14tense because there is a pandemic situation
18:16and geopolitical constellations
18:18rise in the second period.
18:20We will discuss further
18:22how Indonesia can maximally
18:24lead the presidency in G20
18:26or ASEAN in the second period.
18:28But we will discuss
18:30in the next episode.
18:52We are still in a special dialogue
18:54with Prof. Aryawan.
18:56Prof., we have discussed
18:58how Indonesia can lead the presidency
19:00in G20 or ASEAN
19:02in the second period
19:04when there is still a transition
19:06from the COVID-19 pandemic
19:08to the conflict between
19:10Russia and Ukraine and even between
19:12Israel and Hamas.
19:14Do you see how much we can
19:16manage to run the presidency
19:18in the midst of various crises?
19:20Yes, at that time I remember
19:22during the G20 presidency
19:24and there was
19:26the peak in our country.
19:28In my opinion,
19:30it was a credit point for us to
19:32hold the G20 event
19:34as the chair of ASEAN
19:36in a short period of time.
19:38It was a challenge
19:40because when Indonesia
19:42led the G20,
19:44how can we connect
19:46our missions in G20
19:48and how can we accept
19:50our presidency
19:52in G20.
19:54In my opinion,
19:56Mr. Jokowi was already
19:58using good diplomacy
20:00with agendas
20:02so that
20:04we can move forward.
20:06There were several important agendas
20:08in ASEAN
20:10that can be delivered in G20
20:12so that the agenda can be delivered
20:14and we can communicate
20:16with the G20 countries.
20:18At that time,
20:20there were also
20:22many issues
20:24in Myanmar.
20:26Some countries
20:28were also
20:30stuck in cooperation.
20:32In G20, multilateral,
20:34bilateral, and regional cooperation was created.
20:36We can see that
20:38economic cooperation is also possible.
20:40In my opinion, this is a good moment
20:42because when we became
20:44the president of G20 and the chairman of ASEAN,
20:46we were watched by
20:48the world.
20:50It was like a showcase in the world.
20:52When we were able to host
20:54in Bali,
20:56we proved that Indonesia
20:58and Bali
21:00are safe
21:02to visit.
21:04Many heads of state
21:06were also there.
21:08I saw that
21:10and I think it was very good.
21:12How positive
21:14was the outcome
21:16or the concrete deliverables
21:18of Indonesia's leadership in those two forums?
21:20In those two forums,
21:22I forgot the number,
21:24but it can generate millions of dollars
21:26for investment.
21:28This is important
21:30because the challenge
21:32for Indonesia now is
21:34not the local investment,
21:36but foreign investment
21:38can enter Indonesia.
21:40That's the challenge.
21:42How can we do the same?
21:44How can our goods and services
21:46reach other countries?
21:48How can foreign investment enter Indonesia?
21:50For them,
21:52law enforcement
21:54is important.
21:56The treatment is okay.
21:58And the second is
22:00easier mutual service.
22:02So, when they invest,
22:04it will be easier.
22:06With the diplomacy that has been done,
22:08international cooperation, the presidency of G20,
22:10KTT ASEAN, even Indonesia
22:12is now trying to access
22:14the OECD.
22:16Become a member of OECD,
22:18Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
22:20Indonesia is also a part of ECOSOC.
22:22Indonesia is also a part of
22:24the Security Council of the PBB.
22:26Indonesia becomes the presidency of G20,
22:28the head of ASEAN.
22:30I think all of this,
22:32in these two periods,
22:34has been taken away
22:36from our international role abroad.
22:38So, we have to give credit.
22:40What was done by
22:42the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
22:44what was done by the government,
22:46it's not easy.
22:48Because facing it internally is also not easy.
22:50The political situation in Indonesia itself.
22:52But we can already campaign.
22:54Our global standing,
22:56I think it's pretty good.
22:58And earlier,
23:00the investment that can enter Indonesia
23:02is also quite large, as far as I know.
23:04With the presence of the presidency of G20 and the head of ASEAN.
23:06Okay, Prof.
23:08You were talking about investment.
23:10There are a lot of highlights
23:12that you see from the leadership of President Jokowi-Dodo
23:14for the last 10 years.
23:16Because economic diplomacy itself
23:18is included in the diplomatic priority
23:204 plus 1 of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
23:22during the presidency of President Jokowi.
23:24And how impactful is the economic diplomacy
23:26that has been done so far?
23:28What is certain is the diversification
23:30of exports and imports.
23:32It's quite significant.
23:34It means that with the cooperation
23:36that has been done by the previous government,
23:38then with our involvement
23:40in the multinational forum,
23:42it supports diversification
23:44of imports and exports.
23:46The second is that
23:48cooperation is born.
23:50Like now,
23:52we also do
23:54cooperation with SEPA, for example.
23:56Then we cooperate
23:58with several countries,
24:00with Australia, international trade agreements
24:02with Japan, Korea,
24:04Pakistan, India,
24:06with Europe, with America.
24:08We do everything.
24:10I was even invited by one of the TV stations
24:12to talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership
24:14that we are also
24:16doing.
24:18And become a member.
24:20This is the challenge,
24:22in my opinion,
24:24as mentioned by
24:26Mrs. Ocha,
24:28that multilateral cooperation,
24:30both bilateral, regional, and multilateral
24:32can be maximized,
24:34so that Indonesia can get
24:36benefits,
24:38benefits
24:40for our society.
24:42Don't let us invest
24:44in cooperation, but it doesn't benefit Indonesia.
24:46But it must have
24:48mutual benefits, especially for Indonesia.
24:50That's right. You were talking about
24:52diversification of exports.
24:54Then we do feel that there is
24:56a significant increase in market access,
24:58reducing dependence on
25:00the previous market.
25:02But you were talking about
25:04the increase of Asian investment that benefits us,
25:06whether it's from projects in the IKN,
25:08or maybe Jakarta-Bandung express train,
25:10for example.
25:12Do you see that there are things
25:14that need to be noted
25:16or evaluated?
25:18For example,
25:20there are certain dependencies
25:22that contribute to the trade deficit.
25:24Yes. If we look at it,
25:26Mr. Jokowi
25:28wants to change the value,
25:30that we must leave
25:32the middle-income
25:34country,
25:36the country with middle
25:38income,
25:40to a more advanced country.
25:42How? With good
25:44infrastructure technology.
25:46As you mentioned,
25:48with the IKN,
25:50with express train,
25:52it's not easy, it's a challenge.
25:54But mobility, if we try
25:56Jakarta-Bandung, it's very fast.
25:58We are in the marketplace,
26:00we are in the corporate,
26:02it's very easy to leave today,
26:04maybe in the afternoon we can arrive in Jakarta.
26:06The value will change.
26:08The value of that thought
26:10will change and become
26:12something different. The culture will change.
26:14So changing this is
26:16a challenge in itself.
26:18But as I said earlier,
26:20to balance the trade,
26:22if we divide it one by one,
26:24sometimes I like to divide it too,
26:26per year,
26:28trade balance,
26:30be it MIGAS and non-MIGAS,
26:32of course we have a variant.
26:34There are some that we rely on
26:36from the non-MIGAS sector, for example.
26:38Why? Because maybe there are some cases
26:40like the EU Deforestation Law,
26:42which does not facilitate
26:44our products, our palm oil,
26:46to easily enter the
26:48EU Deforestation Law, because there must be
26:50selection and so on, there must be a review
26:52and so on, so that our products
26:54can easily enter. This is what must be challenged.
26:56This is what must be pushed forward by the government
26:58so that it can enter, so that
27:00our products can enter the EU.
27:02Second, we are still losing
27:04when it comes to
27:06nickel, if I'm not mistaken.
27:08In the WTO, we are competing.
27:10So when I went to the WTO
27:12in Switzerland, I also said, don't let Indonesia
27:14lose again, we are competing.
27:16Because at the first level, we lose.
27:18Because we are considered to be using
27:20tariffs for nickel.
27:22But maybe the government thinks that
27:24with the hilarization,
27:26it will push forward
27:28even better, so that Indonesia
27:30doesn't depend on other countries.
27:32Because we are also a big
27:34nickel producer, right?
27:36But with that,
27:38we can't break the WTO rules.
27:40We can't have
27:42tariffs that
27:44block so that other people can't enter.
27:46This is what makes it interesting.
27:48That's it, then it becomes a note
27:50on how the FDI entered a lot,
27:52but also how the government
27:54manages all of this, so that
27:56the results are really
27:58of national interest.
28:00Maybe the last question, Prof,
28:02from the legacy that has been left by
28:04President Jokowi's leadership for the past 10 years
28:06and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at the moment,
28:08what do you think about
28:10the new government, how optimistic
28:12do you think they will continue
28:14the legacy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
28:16at the moment? If I look at
28:18the role played by the Minister of Foreign Affairs,
28:20maybe in the future,
28:22Mr. Prabowo will also step down.
28:24Because Mr. Prabowo
28:26also sees the role of
28:28international diplomacy as important.
28:30A countryman who will
28:32go straight to the front,
28:34will meet with the heads of states
28:36and directly help
28:38ministers or
28:40government apparatus to be able to
28:42deal with several parties abroad.
28:44So, Mr. Prabowo
28:46will play that role
28:48as well, besides being helped by
28:50the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
28:52In the future, the story will be like that,
28:54and secondly,
28:56Mr. Prabowo, with his extraordinary
28:58experience, both in the government,
29:00in TNI and so on,
29:02including in business,
29:04he will definitely see the importance of
29:06FDI, the importance of multilateral cooperation
29:08with several countries,
29:10the importance of including all parties,
29:12both the same or different,
29:14to work together.
29:16We can see with the call yesterday,
29:18the ministers or deputies
29:20were all invited to
29:22work together to support
29:24Indonesia to be better in the future.
29:26An optimistic view
29:28from Prof. Aryawan about
29:30how the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
29:32in the next government will continue
29:34the legacy and even advance
29:36the diplomacy of the Republic of Indonesia
29:38in the future, how Indonesia
29:40will continue to be a trusted partner
29:42and also a bridge builder
29:44that is then trusted by all parties.
29:46Thank you very much, Prof. Aryawan Gunadi,
29:48a law expert in business and international trade,
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