Moja zemlja Livno - 08.12.2023.
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00:00Thank you very much.
00:30I don't know about you, but this is really a reward for me,
00:40that every week we travel together with the team, of course,
00:45of the Bosnian Herzegovina City,
00:47and that we dedicate time to the miracles that the city of Limna has this time.
01:00Defendia Kevric, the first man who not only put me on this show, but also put me on his lap.
01:14Congratulations to you, Defendia, and thank you for letting us into this beautiful space.
01:19Thank you, Elvira, for coming.
01:22It is really a great honor and pleasure for us to be able to show this beautiful mosque in this way.
01:29Dukatara Mosque.
01:31Yes, Dukatara Mosque.
01:33It is known as the Mosque on Topovi.
01:36It is an old mosque, more than a hundred years old.
01:40It is a mosque from the Ottoman period, and interestingly, it has never been demolished to the ground.
01:46It was...
01:47So, time has done its job on it, but it has never been demolished to the ground.
01:54The last time it was renovated in 2000, and then it looks so nice and serves its purpose.
02:00I'm embarrassed, Defendia, I didn't listen to you, I listened to your echo.
02:04So, even then, people had a way to keep the sound of the voice in the walls of this mosque.
02:13This is a phenomenon, and you can really see that these mosques were not made by chance and spontaneously.
02:21Through the Ottoman Empire, there was a seriousness in architecture, in the approach to objects,
02:29and that is in their visual, but also practical, heart.
02:33So, today, comfortably, this mosque can develop a complete religious life without any noise.
02:43If you remember the last time we visited you, for another reason,
02:48although it was similar, I know that I drank water here, in your mosque, in the harem,
02:54you almost apologized for the bad weather.
02:57It was, it seems, some springtime, much warmer than now.
03:02If you apologized then, now you should pay us a tribute.
03:06Well, somehow, shake it, just when the weather is rainy.
03:10But the weather is not like this.
03:12It's not, it's not.
03:13It's beautiful, sunny, open.
03:16It has a very nice energy from nature, from the sun, from the environment.
03:22A man feels really nice.
03:24These are rare rainy days.
03:26Where are the people in this energy?
03:29Well, people are, it seems to me, like in this complete state of ours.
03:34Somehow, that pessimism, those black thoughts,
03:39that blackness that is imposed, more than it really is,
03:44are drowning in it.
03:46And I like to say that we don't have anything in our lives.
03:53Everyone would like to have something much more, although the question is how much we need it.
03:59But when we stop and focus on what we have,
04:03and really appreciate what we have,
04:06that's more than enough reason to be happy.
04:09Or at least to get up every day positive, energized,
04:15and ready to catch up with that day.
04:18Stop, let go of that black hole, let go of that depression,
04:24and expect someone else to solve our real life problems,
04:29is not leading to anything.
04:32Not leading to anything.
04:33I hope I will be able to get up after this conversation.
04:38And your life with the rest of the inhabitants of this river,
04:46was there anything that could be a indicator of how to go on?
04:52Well, we have a phenomenon, I can freely say,
04:57it is a European phenomenon,
05:00because numerous TV and journalists came for the two women who are here in Limna.
05:07They are the sisters Blanka Jelicic and Moalima Shejla Mujic Kevric.
05:12These two women have been functioning perfectly for years.
05:18Mostly through humanitarian work.
05:21But they connect these two religious, cultural communities in the most beautiful way.
05:27Without a single incident, without a single problem,
05:32on that human basis and basis.
05:36They are an indicator that it is possible.
05:40What is needed?
05:42It is only necessary openness,
05:44it is necessary to be accessible to others.
05:49It is not necessary to be different.
05:51Because we are all people.
05:53Our physiognomy is the same.
05:55What separates us is the opportunity to get even richer.
06:01To enter that tradition, to enter that culture,
06:04to enter that faith,
06:06which in certain segments is different from ours.
06:10That is really a great wealth.
06:12But believers of various confessions, I think, can easily find a common language.
06:16That's right.
06:18The key term, you mentioned it, is a believer.
06:23A sincere, honest man who is devoted to God, who is really a believer.
06:29He is at peace, first of all, with himself, and then with everyone around him.
06:35Unfortunately, today we have, to a good extent,
06:41hybrids,
06:43hybrids who simply misunderstand faith in the wrong way,
06:49misunderstand how to treat others.
06:56And this is noticeable, not only in our home, but all over the world.
07:01It is really unclear to me,
07:04and I think I will not understand while I am alive,
07:07why wars are happening.
07:09What is it that stimulates in a man that kind of murderous desire?
07:16Why can't we stop?
07:19Maybe this is an idealized way of thinking,
07:22but wouldn't it be much better to stop, think,
07:27and say, let's go instead of war,
07:30to ensure that we all live well,
07:33that those generations that come, respond to the right values,
07:37that we really make the world a better place,
07:41after we leave, than we received it.
07:44The Qur'anic idea of being a human being on Earth,
07:49is to be a caliph, to be a deputy,
07:52to be the one who will maintain order on Earth,
07:56who will really, to all beings,
07:59and this ecology is included,
08:02all aspects of life are included,
08:06where it will work optimally on them.
08:09Again, my incessant ear,
08:12I listened fully, but with this ear,
08:15I listened from the corner of the hour,
08:18while we live all our misunderstandings,
08:21time goes by.
08:23Unfortunately, time goes by,
08:25and we have only one life here.
08:28And because of that, I think that this idea,
08:31which is, unfortunately,
08:34idealized view of the world,
08:37but I don't think there is an alternative,
08:40because the alternative is killing, suffering,
08:43suffering of all kinds,
08:46and in that, man goes through life.
08:49Why?
08:50Tell me, sir,
08:52do you desire your high?
08:55Of course, man loves,
08:58and I feel special.
09:01In this winter period, definitely here,
09:04because here there is no smog,
09:07there is no fog,
09:10and I don't feel very nice in such a weather environment.
09:15Thank you very much.
09:59Thank you very much.
10:04Respect, ladies, respect.
10:07How are you, are you good?
10:09Good, how are you?
10:11Great, as soon as I saw you,
10:13I asked to meet here.
10:15Here, beautiful.
10:17And the weather is nice,
10:19and that means something,
10:21unlike yesterday.
10:23Yesterday it was raining,
10:25and today it's nice.
10:27You have already told everyone,
10:30but what you do is completely normal,
10:33completely natural.
10:35How did we manage to get into such a situation,
10:39that what is normal and natural
10:41is so strange and interesting to people,
10:44that no one has interviewed you,
10:47filmed you, asked you, photographed you?
10:50What do you say?
10:52How did we get into this situation,
10:54that what is normal and not normal?
10:57Well, everyday situation in our country,
11:00some problems,
11:03less communication between us,
11:06we don't know each other enough,
11:09somehow we built walls between each other,
11:12we have prejudices towards each other,
11:15and probably when such a situation happens,
11:18which is normal,
11:20and which, let's say,
11:22happened in a moment,
11:24but it happens continuously,
11:26because this is a story that lasts for years.
11:29Maybe some people are waiting
11:31for this story to end.
11:33How long have you known each other?
11:35For 7 years.
11:37I came in July 2016,
11:39and I met Shane,
11:41and we started to light a fire together,
11:44and that's it.
11:46People today seem to like the darkness
11:49they live in a little more,
11:51and they are somehow safer there.
11:54And all this,
11:56to get out of yourself,
11:58get out of your environment,
12:00become exclusive,
12:02which shouldn't be.
12:04People used to meet a lot.
12:06Yes.
12:07And today?
12:09Today, yes.
12:11We need a little initiative.
12:13Like you, for example,
12:15made a step.
12:17You came when there was a situation
12:20of cooperation between us.
12:22You made that step,
12:24you made that initiative.
12:26Maybe we need those little steps
12:28that the brave will make between us,
12:30and then we'll see
12:32what can happen.
12:34You are both in faith,
12:36in your own way,
12:38and on your side.
12:40Is that faith that spark?
12:42Definitely.
12:44Yes, definitely.
12:46Does a person have to be deeply in faith,
12:49to recognize
12:51that it is natural,
12:53only natural, beautiful and desirable?
12:55I think it doesn't have to be necessary.
12:58But, for example, in our case,
13:00faith is a motivator.
13:02However, today you have
13:04a lot of humanitarians,
13:06humanitarian actions,
13:08humanitarian people who deal with humanitarians.
13:10And believers.
13:11And believers and non-believers, you know.
13:13What separates us
13:15is that Mrs. Sheila and I
13:18bring God into that humanitarian side.
13:22We bring that spark of heaven.
13:26We try.
13:28How much we succeed, I don't know.
13:30But that's what characterizes us
13:32for the difference of others.
13:34Sheila, you said we live in a challenging time.
13:38At best, let's say,
13:40a very challenging time.
13:42Yes.
13:44And this is your example,
13:46I think it's quite natural.
13:48Is it so desirable for everyone?
13:52Definitely desirable.
13:54Especially in this time we live in,
13:57to lend a hand to each other,
14:00to learn from each other.
14:02It's not difficult.
14:04You are here in Zagreb,
14:06quite naturally.
14:08That's right.
14:10Whenever we meet,
14:12when we drink coffee,
14:14when that one line is erased,
14:18which does not exist.
14:20Invisible.
14:22It is more dangerous than the physical.
14:24Invisible lines are more dangerous than physical.
14:27But here we don't even have physical,
14:29nor invisible.
14:31I don't know if I really noticed and heard it in the conversation,
14:35and I think I did.
14:37The show is called My Land.
14:39When they say My Land,
14:42and you,
14:44and very often in Croatia,
14:46and you, Sheila,
14:48who have come from a completely different part of Bosnia and Herzegovina,
14:51you consider all this your land.
14:53And that is also like your Zagreb,
14:55quite natural.
14:57I think the whole world is my land.
15:00Bravo.
15:01I think so too.
15:03I would even say
15:05that it is a faithful inhabitant of the world.
15:07That's right.
15:08Because if God is the creator
15:10of visible and invisible.
15:12This is not a religious show, just to warn you.
15:14Then how can this not be my land?
15:19Why can't it be my land?
15:21And you feel that way everywhere?
15:23I feel that way everywhere.
15:25I feel my way here.
15:27I live in Bosnia and Herzegovina with love,
15:29and I share it with love as much as I can.
15:32I was born in Croatia.
15:34In Croatia, even the birds know that.
15:37But my parents are from Bosnia and Herzegovina, from Jajce.
15:42Everything comes from Bosnia and Herzegovina.
15:44Everything.
15:46Bosnia is at the beginning of everything.
15:48And all this is something that characterizes me.
15:51However, when I wanted to go to independence,
15:53I wanted only Bosnia and Herzegovina.
15:55Because I love that land.
15:57From the very beginning.
15:59You can see on your face that you love that land.
16:01Well, yes, I love that land.
16:03I love that man, the B.H. man,
16:05I love him for his faith, for his nation.
16:07Because I think that something that exists in Bosnia and Herzegovina
16:14can rarely be found elsewhere.
16:16But that doesn't mean that other countries,
16:18other peoples, other...
16:20They have their own values.
16:22That's right.
16:24You came from Bratunac,
16:27which is physically far from Vimna.
16:31We are in the other part of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
16:34Was it difficult to adapt here in Vimna?
16:37No.
16:38No?
16:39Really, no.
16:40After my studies in Sarajevo,
16:42I went through all of Bosnia and Herzegovina,
16:46I came here.
16:48And very often people ask me,
16:50why there on behalf of my husband,
16:52because we have been here for 10 years.
16:54I say that it is not nice for us
16:56and that we did not find a reason for our mission
17:00to be there.
17:03But here we are.
17:05It's nice here.
17:07One of the reasons why I like it here
17:09is the cooperation with Blanko,
17:11which is getting more and more beautiful every year.
17:14The network is getting wider between us.
17:17We connect people and so on.
17:19It's really nice here.
17:21It's nice for me and I'm grateful
17:23that you fulfilled this mission of my country
17:26with your appearance
17:28and your really warm and humane words.
17:31Thank you very much.
17:32Thank you for the invitation.
17:35See you next time.
17:42Dominik, I will sound like Nedim Sladić,
17:44who I greet this way,
17:46but there is something about
17:48when we decided to film outside,
17:50that the sun has risen,
17:52although the snow is there.
17:54Everyone is in a condition
17:56for us to make a good conversation.
17:58Well, yes.
17:59For the sunny weather,
18:01Livno is one of the most sunny cities
18:03in this country.
18:04You don't have to thank me too much.
18:06It's not bad at all.
18:08Tell me, how is it to be a young man
18:10here in Livno?
18:11Well, a young man here in Livno,
18:13well, what I do,
18:15what I have in my head,
18:17maybe sometimes it's a little hard.
18:19It's hard to find a place to say
18:21to the team for these things
18:23and society.
18:24You are not ordinary.
18:26That's my impression,
18:29you study medicine, right?
18:31That's right.
18:32You decided to study medicine,
18:34where?
18:35In Foča.
18:36In Foča.
18:37I was in Banja Luka,
18:38and then after the first year
18:39I transferred to Foča.
18:40Half of Sarajevo, I think I would say,
18:42because there is a Faculty of Medicine in Foča.
18:44Of course, when I transferred,
18:46and when I mentioned to people
18:48that I could study in Foča,
18:50well, what are you going to do in Foča,
18:52what kind of faculty is there?
18:54There is a road to Foča.
18:57I had the support of my parents
18:59and some of my friends,
19:01who I met through various activities
19:03and events,
19:05and I just went down.
19:07And how is it there?
19:09When I came down, I was delighted.
19:11How those 100 people down there,
19:13the professors, received me,
19:15how people treated me.
19:17And how good the faculty is.
19:19Yes, and how good the faculty is.
19:21And on that occasion I wanted to say
19:23and promote the faculty,
19:25because the faculty continues for 30 years.
19:27There are over 250 foreign students
19:29from various countries down there.
19:31I lived in a dormitory,
19:33and I had neighbors from Italy down there,
19:35in the hallway, in the dormitory.
19:37Because the house is on the plateau,
19:39the faculty is in Braco.
19:41From India, from Italy, from Turkey,
19:43from Pakistan.
19:45I mean, people study down there
19:47from various countries,
19:49and it is difficult for us,
19:51for example, from Livno or some other city.
19:53Well, yes,
19:55for some people it was like
19:57Dominic in Foča, it was strange.
19:59Tell me, Dominic,
20:01you know this show is called My Country.
20:03Yes.
20:05So you are, and in Foča you are recognized
20:07that this is your country.
20:09Of course, I say that Foča has something
20:11that many other cities do not have.
20:13Such a small city, so many young people,
20:15and such an interesting atmosphere
20:17is down there.
20:19I am always delighted when I come down.
20:21I like my Livno the most.
20:23Yes.
20:25And now young people in Livno.
20:27Have they all left, like you,
20:29to find something else to do?
20:31Or did they stay here?
20:33If they stayed, what do they do?
20:35It's a difficult question.
20:37It's a difficult question.
20:39Young people are generally
20:41quite uninterested in some activities.
20:43They are not old-fashioned.
20:45Except for the faculty,
20:47except for work and everything else.
20:49But generally speaking,
20:51some things that I used to do
20:53while I was in high school, in Livno.
20:55And now at the university.
20:57You are an activist.
20:59You are not just interested in medicine,
21:01but you want to challenge things.
21:03In what direction do you think
21:05it can be done?
21:07Well, there are some different directions
21:09and topics to discuss.
21:11Come on, praise yourself.
21:13Well, the worst thing is not to talk to me,
21:15but I have to sometimes.
21:17Well, I did a lot of things
21:19while I was on the network
21:21of senior high school students.
21:23I was the president of the network
21:25of senior high school students.
21:27I was in Cerebro, in Banja Luka,
21:29in SAMSIC. SAMSIC is an organization
21:31of medical students.
21:33And in the student associations
21:35in Banja Luka.
21:37Did you, with all your activities,
21:39organizations, functions,
21:41understand and discover
21:43how to get these people
21:45involved?
21:47Well, of course.
21:49I've always thought about
21:51how to get people involved.
21:53Give us a formula.
21:55What should we do?
21:57Well, we need to get people involved.
21:59We need to get people involved.
22:01We need to get people involved.
22:03Wake up.
22:05Leave the phone.
22:07Leave social networks.
22:09Instead of talking,
22:11let's try to make something quality.
22:13Yesterday, I talked to a colleague
22:15from a medical faculty
22:17in Tuzla.
22:19So, here's something
22:21if we could start a story
22:23that I wanted to start
22:25four or five years ago
22:27while I was a high school student.
22:29What exactly, tomorrow morning,
22:31what can we do?
22:33What can we do?
22:35Well, I'll mention
22:37what I had in mind
22:39four or five years ago.
22:41I had two meetings,
22:43I have to mention that,
22:45with a former mayor
22:47of this city,
22:49and I never got
22:51those meetings.
22:53But the initiatives I wanted to take
22:55What did you want to show?
22:57I'm the mayor, you're the mayor.
22:59Well, I wanted to say
23:01that young people in this city
23:03need, for example, a youth bank,
23:05which, for example,
23:07without reducing the size
23:09of a city,
23:11without reducing anyone,
23:13for example, Drvar,
23:15Jezero, Municipality of Jezero,
23:17Mrkonj,
23:19Bugojno, they have youth banks.
23:21And that program of youth banks
23:23through the Mozaik Foundation
23:25works, they support projects
23:27and micro-businesses of young people.
23:2960% of the Mozaik Foundation
23:31and the Youth Bank
23:33support those projects,
23:35and 40% local authorities.
23:37Would that help young people
23:39to stay in this city,
23:41because they leave here?
23:43Well, of course, I'm sure
23:45that some young people came
23:47to write projects.
23:49Will you come back when you finish
23:51that college?
23:53We'll see what the situation will be.
23:55Of course, everyone would like
23:57to live in their city
23:59and do some job,
24:01because they went to school
24:03and spent a certain number of years.
24:05And of course, everyone would like
24:07to come to their place
24:09and be where they were born
24:11and where they grew up.
24:13What would you change
24:15in this city,
24:17in this country,
24:19if you had the function
24:21of a mayor?
24:23Well, as the story goes,
24:25yesterday was the International
24:27Volunteer Day, for example.
24:29At that time, I also wanted
24:31to come out with an initiative
24:33to encourage people
24:35to volunteer,
24:37to do humanitarian work,
24:39through some annual awards,
24:41to give some recognition,
24:43some banners,
24:45something symbolic.
24:47Just to recognize
24:49that these people are worth it.
24:51To give someone the value
24:53that someone is doing something,
24:55that someone feels important
24:57and has some function in society
24:59and to be an important citizen.
25:01People, remember Dominik,
25:03he will be an important citizen.
25:05Thank you, Dominik, a lot.
25:07Thank you. Let's show a little more
25:09of your Lime.
25:11OK.
25:23To be in Lime,
25:25not to talk about cheese,
25:27not to visit a cheese factory,
25:29but I am,
25:31big are big,
25:33of course, we know that
25:35Lime cheese is famous
25:37all over the world,
25:39but I have always been for the small.
25:41When I watch football matches,
25:43I have always been for the small,
25:45which is not given any chance.
25:47That's why I decided to come
25:49here to you.
25:51You are perhaps only a small dimension,
25:53but your cheeses,
25:55a little advertising,
25:57is a farmer's treasure,
25:59Mljekar Orman.
26:01Good evening and thank you
26:03for letting us into your treasure.
26:05Good evening.
26:09How do you make cheese in Lime?
26:11How do you make it?
26:15It used to be with pleasure
26:17to make it.
26:19Almost every house
26:21in Lime made Lime cheese.
26:2390% of Lime
26:25makers
26:27made Lime cheese.
26:29Today,
26:31it would not be easy to make it.
26:33It is a pain
26:35and a hard job.
26:39From the very beginning,
26:41from buying milk,
26:43sometimes it was enough
26:45to choose a cooperative
26:47and milk as much as you wanted.
26:49Less and less cows and so on.
26:51Today,
26:53it is not enough.
26:55We have to work
26:57with bigger farms,
26:59which is
27:01a big price.
27:03They have their own conditions.
27:05We have our own conditions,
27:07but we have to accept it.
27:09Does the cheese have to be this big?
27:11For example, it can't be this big now.
27:13It can be a little bigger.
27:17Is this the shape of the cheese?
27:19I heard
27:21and I think it would not be bad
27:23to see
27:25that you are responsible
27:27for this mold,
27:29that this is your invention.
27:31Where did this mold come from?
27:33It came from America.
27:35No, it was bought
27:37in a barrel.
27:39In a water barrel.
27:41Did you drill holes in it?
27:43Yes.
27:45Or did you ask your son to do it?
27:47No, my son was small then.
27:49Because of that,
27:51the cheese has
27:53this unusual
27:55square shape.
27:57Traditional shape.
27:59Why is it like this?
28:01This is a traditional Lebanese cheese.
28:03It has to be like this?
28:05It has to be.
28:07This is
28:09original Lebanese cheese.
28:11The mold is
28:132 to 2.5 kg.
28:15This cheese
28:17is what you are holding.
28:19Then we played a little.
28:21We thought about
28:23making something new.
28:29So this one is not needed anymore?
28:31It will be needed.
28:35So we succeeded
28:37with these innovations
28:39when it comes to cheese.
28:41We have 6-7 types
28:43of cheese.
28:45We are proud of all of them.
28:47This one was in London
28:49at the fair.
28:51You can see it on its label.
28:53It has medals.
28:55It has a world cheese award.
28:57Yes.
28:59This was in 2017-2018.
29:01Yes, in 2017-2018.
29:03Right before the coronavirus.
29:05There were 4,500
29:07exhibitors in London.
29:09How did you overcome the coronavirus?
29:11It was hard.
29:13It was hard.
29:15It was hard.
29:17I don't want to go into details.
29:19The coronavirus
29:21came back
29:23and we had to
29:25recover healthily.
29:27And financially.
29:29Everything.
29:31But you won awards before the coronavirus.
29:33You survived the coronavirus.
29:35And after the coronavirus, you won awards again.
29:37We continued.
29:39Why do you always win awards?
29:41It's not boring.
29:43Does it help?
29:45Of course it helps.
29:47You put a new label
29:49on the world.
29:51We got
29:53an award from London.
29:55You can't invent an award
29:57and put it on a label.
29:59We had to have approval.
30:01We got approval from London
30:03to put on a label
30:05what we won.
30:07We sent out
30:09five medals.
30:13You didn't ask
30:15what was missing.
30:17You didn't ask.
30:19We didn't.
30:21Five was enough.
30:23We have one cheese.
30:25We called it
30:27love of cheese and wine.
30:29Cheese with wine.
30:31It won a gold medal
30:33for innovation.
30:35It's top-notch.
30:39But it's expensive.
30:41What does it mean?
30:43Expensive milk.
30:45Expensive production
30:47of cheese.
30:49I have to spend
30:51time
30:53to get
30:55a finished product.
30:57I have to wait
30:59a year
31:01to go to the market.
31:03You see it now.
31:05I have to invest
31:07a year to wait.
31:09Nowadays
31:11every milkman
31:13goes faster
31:15and simpler.
31:17How much
31:19is a kilogram of cheese?
31:21It depends.
31:23It depends.
31:25The price
31:27in my house
31:29is from 20 marks
31:31to 35 marks.
31:33That's the special one.
31:35Yes.
31:37This one is 37 marks.
31:39It's worth more.
31:41It's worth more
31:43but when we did
31:45calculations
31:47we found out
31:49that we have something.
31:51We are proud
31:53when we see
31:55our product.
31:57We are proud
31:59when people
32:01from Macedonia,
32:03Slovenia,
32:05Serbia, Montenegro
32:07ask us
32:09where we get
32:11our cheese from.
32:13Montenegro.
32:15Yes.
32:17In Serbia
32:19we had
32:21a small production
32:23so we couldn't cover
32:25everything.
32:27It's closer to us.
32:29It's more simple.
32:31How many Montenegrins
32:33eat your cheese per year?
32:3512 tons per year.
32:3712 tons?
32:39Yes.
32:41It's good cheese.
32:43Yes.
32:45Thank you very much.
32:47Good luck.
32:49Good luck.
32:53I hope there won't be
32:55any problems in Paris,
32:57New York, Dakar and so on.
33:01Show me the rest of the milk.
33:17I lost the older owner
33:19somewhere in these
33:21labyrinths of cheese,
33:23but I'm lucky
33:25to meet
33:27the younger owner.
33:29Hello, Elvira.
33:31Hello.
33:33How is it possible
33:35to do
33:37such a personal job?
33:39My father told me
33:41that he and my mother
33:43worked together
33:45until late at night
33:47to make cheese.
33:49Do you know anything about it?
33:51Yes, I do.
33:53I'm the heir.
33:55I'm more involved
33:57in the paperwork,
33:59but I also help with
34:01the production and delivery.
34:03Your mother is in charge.
34:05You were born in Germany.
34:07All of you were in Germany.
34:09One day, my parents
34:11said that Germany is Germany,
34:13but Bosnia is Bosnia.
34:15We went back.
34:17We did what we did.
34:19I didn't ask you anything.
34:21If you could choose again,
34:23would you stay there?
34:25I wouldn't.
34:27Why?
34:29There's not as much cheese as here.
34:31It's not cheap,
34:33but it's a house.
34:35It has its own company
34:37and it works well.
34:39What is this made of?
34:41It's not made of anything.
34:43There were stables,
34:45as my father said.
34:47There's a lot of heart
34:49when I see cheese.
34:51When I take it,
34:53when someone tries it,
34:55they say it's great cheese.
34:57You said you're in charge of
34:59milk delivery and cheese distribution.
35:01I think the biggest customers
35:03are in Montenegro.
35:05Those Montenegrins are lying
35:07and waiting for cheese.
35:09What kind of satisfaction is that?
35:11We, our family,
35:13we made this,
35:15and now you're going to pay for it.
35:17As far as Montenegrins are concerned,
35:19they are very satisfied.
35:21In terms of quality,
35:23cheese and everything.
35:25In short,
35:27I assume, and I can see it in your eyes,
35:29you wouldn't change.
35:31No, I wouldn't.
35:33Thank you very much.
35:35Good luck.
35:37When we come back, you will be
35:39Orman Glory.
35:41You will retire.
35:43Thank you very much.
35:51All of us in life
35:53are looking for a refuge,
35:55a place where we can hide
35:57when we are wounded,
35:59a place where we want to be
36:01where we want to enjoy.
36:05Since ancient times,
36:07people have said
36:09the ark is the solution.
36:11Ivan's ark, mine,
36:13the owner of Ivan's ark.
36:15First of all, thank you very much
36:17that we managed to get into your ark.
36:19Thank you for coming
36:21and to show those
36:23who have not been
36:25to return when the road leads
36:27to Split and Dalmatia.
36:29Livno, ark,
36:31how does it work?
36:33Do the people of Livno know
36:35that they have a refuge here?
36:37Most of them know.
36:39There are always events
36:41here, adventures,
36:43lunches, dinners.
36:45I asked you a while ago
36:47why the ark.
36:49You said it was a long story
36:51for a short TV show.
36:53Can you sum it up in a few words?
36:55My wife and I thought
36:57about having a pizzeria
36:59in Stavinska,
37:01and then in 2012
37:03we thought
37:05let's make something
37:07with stone,
37:09combination.
37:11We started in 2013
37:13with the work.
37:15We opened in 2017.
37:17It was a little longer
37:19because I had some health problems.
37:21Did you do everything yourself?
37:23That's right.
37:25From morning to dusk,
37:27every day,
37:29intensive work.
37:31But I never worked
37:33on a plate or a wood.
37:35Only for myself.
37:37I can't go any further.
37:39One more thing we mentioned
37:41before we came here.
37:43You, your wife,
37:45and all of you,
37:47five children,
37:49mostly produce
37:51domestic food,
37:53your food.
37:55That's right.
37:57We have our own dry food.
37:59Livno cheese.
38:01There are a lot of rivers,
38:03but we hope
38:05that in the near future
38:07there will be a brand called Kulen.
38:09We work on the principle of Slavonian Kulen.
38:11We try to have the best
38:13and we will have it.
38:15Now it's time
38:17to say that we don't have it for sale.
38:19Next year you are organizing
38:21something that is not missing.
38:23What is it?
38:25It is the third Livonian sausage feast.
38:27Sausage feast?
38:29That's right.
38:31There will be a commission
38:33and the sausages will be brought.
38:35The commission must be hungry, right?
38:37Most of the time,
38:39it's better to be hungry.
38:41And then they sit at the table
38:43and have a nice sausage.
38:45That's right.
38:47Everything is good.
38:49And the bronze?
38:51Listen to me,
38:53everything is gold.
38:55It's hard to tell by the taste.
38:57Tourism and Livno.
38:59Livno is a wild horse.
39:01It's not just Livonian cheese.
39:03It's a brand.
39:05Do people come here?
39:07I think only Livonians come here.
39:09Lately,
39:11it's really a diaspora.
39:13When Dalmatians come...
39:15This is their first address.
39:17When they return to Toulouse,
39:19whatever they have,
39:21they come here.
39:23You are on your way to Split.
39:25That's right.
39:27From Sarajevo,
39:29Banja Luka,
39:31Serbia, Montenegro,
39:33Stranac and the sea.
39:35More and more.
39:37In a way,
39:39you come here as an ambassador
39:41and a link
39:43between Bosnia and Herzegovina
39:45and Croatia and the rest of the world.
39:47That's right.
39:49Whoever comes here,
39:51it will be nice,
39:53and we will try our best.
39:55It's easy to come here,
39:57but you have to do it.
39:59And eat.
40:01Of course.
40:03I won't bother you anymore,
40:05because you are on my turf.
40:07I'll let you take us to your turf
40:09and navigate your arch
40:11to gastronomic pleasures.
40:13For those who haven't been here,
40:15who are passing through Livno, Split,
40:17central Bosnia,
40:19let them come back and see
40:21what it's like.
40:23I wish you all the best.
40:25Should I, my dear viewers,
40:27my country,
40:29to explain anything to you,
40:31to point out
40:33this beauty
40:35in front of which I stand,
40:37which is given to me by Livno
40:39and its inhabitants,
40:41and the whole of our Bosnia and Herzegovina?
40:43I don't think so.
40:45Enough to shut up,
40:47what I have to offer,
40:49and to enjoy it together.
40:53LIVNO
40:57The second day in Livno.
40:59More precisely, above Livno,
41:01on a cruise with a young man,
41:03a perfect driver
41:05from the Continental agency,
41:07who gave us this beauty
41:09so that we can see it
41:11even in the snow.
41:13First of all, thank you very much
41:15for taking the most dramatic
41:17driving in my life
41:19and bringing us here.
41:21Thank you for letting us show you
41:23this natural beauty
41:25that Livno offers.
41:27This horse is indescribable.
41:29How is it possible
41:31to have such a beauty
41:33just half an hour away from the city?
41:35They gave it to us through history.
41:37The farmers and peasants
41:39who used this area
41:41for grazing sheep
41:43and who had their herds here
41:45deserve it.
41:47Thanks to them,
41:49we have more than 800 wild horses
41:51on the plateau.
41:53Today we have more than 800 wild horses
41:55on the plateau.
41:57You drove us here
41:59not knowing
42:01where these horses
42:03will live.
42:05We have been working here
42:07for almost a year
42:09and we know
42:11where they live
42:13and where they will live
42:15on this plateau.
42:17I think there are problems
42:19but it is not a problem
42:21to find them.
42:23It depends on the weather.
42:25The fog is our only problem.
42:27They live here all year
42:29regardless of the snow.
42:31That's right.
42:33They have plenty of food
42:35and grass, especially
42:37the grassy terrain.
42:39As you can see,
42:41there is a lot of grass
42:43and a lot of food.
42:45When the snow is dry,
42:47the wind blows away
42:49the snow from the mountains.
42:51That's why the horses have food
42:53and dig a little bit.
42:55The horses are not afraid of us.
42:57They came here
42:59out of curiosity
43:01to see who these people are
43:03and to see their daily activities.
43:05Thanks to you,
43:07the people from the agency
43:09and the tourists
43:11who come here,
43:13the number of people
43:15who come here
43:17increases every year.
43:19They are used to people
43:21and vehicles.
43:23That's why they are
43:25used to people
43:27and vehicles.
43:31Is it good or bad
43:33for the horses?
43:35Are they friends?
43:37Most of them are.
43:39More than 90 people
43:41come here to visit
43:43and appreciate the horses.
43:45Of course, there are
43:47horses everywhere,
43:49but most of the people
43:51who come here are tourists.
43:53They are friends with these animals
43:55and admire them.
43:57The appearance of horses
43:59is fascinating.
44:01Who comes here?
44:03Tourists from all over the world.
44:05Most of them are domestic tourists
44:07from Bosnia and Herzegovina.
44:09Our destination
44:11has become even more popular.
44:13We have a lot of tourists
44:15from all over the world.
44:21I promised you
44:23that we would show you
44:25as a perfect driver.
44:27I asked our cameramen
44:29to show us
44:31this incredible car
44:33that brought us here.
44:35I don't think there are any jeeps
44:37like this one.
44:39This car is very specific
44:41and offers us the opportunity
44:43to come here.
44:45It is much simpler
44:47and easier to use.
44:49We advise tourists
44:51not to come here
44:53because of the fog.
44:55It is easy to get lost.
44:57It is a big problem
44:59because it is always better
45:01to come here with someone
45:03you know.
45:05If you ask
45:07anyone
45:09they will be happy to show you
45:11the whole area.
45:13I think it is a special feeling
45:15not to talk about the fog
45:17and how people see it.
45:19It is a special feeling
45:21to develop tourism.
45:23When you mention the fog
45:25everyone says wild horses.
45:27Until yesterday,
45:29it was not like that.
45:31That's right.
45:33It is a unique attraction
45:35in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
45:37There are only three places
45:39in the world where you can see
45:41a lot of horses in one place.
45:43When people come here
45:45they see the wild horses
45:47and the whole nature
45:49on this plateau.
45:51It is our goal
45:53to keep people here
45:55for a couple of days
45:57so they can see
45:59all the beauty
46:01of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
46:03I have seen a lot of bears.
46:05Yes, we have seen them.
46:07In one hand,
46:09they are dangerous
46:11because of the wolves
46:13who hunt them.
46:15Of course, there are wolves.
46:17Horses are very valuable for them.
46:19Especially in the time
46:21when there is not enough food.
46:23But it is all nature.
46:25We should not look at it
46:27in a bad way.
46:29There are a lot of animals
46:31and that's how nature works.
46:33After such a pleasant conversation
46:35and an incredible view,
46:37I thank you for your time.
46:39Thank you for coming.
46:41I hope I can visit you again.
46:43Absolutely.
46:49I am still impressed
46:51by what I saw
46:53on the cruises above Livno.
46:55That incredible beauty
46:57enriched me so much
46:59that I have no words
47:01to describe it.
47:03We are finishing the story about Livno.
47:05When I arrived,
47:07I did not even think
47:09that I would end the show
47:11with such a wealth
47:13and such a new experience.
47:15Once again, this is my country.
47:17Thank you for your attention.
47:29See you soon.