11th Hour | Waseem Badami | ARY News | 15th October 2024

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Host:
- Waseem Badami

Guests:
- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
- Fawad Chaudhry (Politician)
- Dr Javed Akram (Professor of Medicine)

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Transcript
00:30The world's largest regional organization was established in 1996 by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:38It was then known as the Shanghai Five.
00:40In 2001, it was extended to the Shanghai Corporation Organization.
00:46In 2017, it was expanded to include countries like Pakistan and India.
00:51In 2023, it was extended to include Iran.
00:55At present, the world's four atomic powers are a part of this organization.
01:00This organization represents about 40% of the world's population.
01:05There are different figures.
01:06If we take a conservative idea, the world's total GDP contributes 25% to the SCO organization.
01:13In addition to this, there are many other such numbers.
01:16This kind of demonstration is taking place in Pakistan after about 27 years.
01:20China's Prime Minister came to Pakistan about 11 years later.
01:24India's Foreign Minister came to Pakistan about 7 years later.
01:28We had an interesting interaction with the former Foreign Minister of Pakistan, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
01:34Today, at the last minute of the day, he expressed his opinion about the Indian Foreign Minister,
01:40the Indian Prime Minister and the SCO.
01:44Let's listen to his summary.
01:46If the Indian Prime Minister was as confident that he could conduct himself in Pakistan,
01:51he would have come himself.
01:52India has frustrated the SCO platform.
01:55India should also consider whether it is appropriate to keep so much rigidity in its policies.
02:02As far as I know, if India's Foreign Minister is there, he may not be able to stay.
02:07And as far as patriotism is concerned, he may be threatened.
02:12I will appeal to the people of Pakistan.
02:14Even if he does it, we are the hosts.
02:16If your guest makes a mistake, we should forgive him.
02:20We will not make such a mistake.
02:23I am sure that the way I spoke to the Indian media,
02:27the Indian Prime Minister will not be afraid of the Pakistani media.
02:31He will not back down.
02:33And he will definitely answer your question.
02:35Now, let's close Pakistani politics with this.
02:38Today, on October 15, meetings with the SCO were to begin.
02:42We met with the Indian Prime Minister, the Indian Foreign Minister, and other meetings.
02:48Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf on the same day, on October 15,
02:54announced the condition to march towards Islamabad's D-Chowk.
03:02They said that they have lost contact with our leaders since October 3.
03:07And we are not able to meet.
03:09We are worried about their health.
03:11If we are not given access to our leaders,
03:14then on October 15, everyone will march on D-Chowk.
03:17Obviously, there was a lot of laughter on this.
03:19The PTI's own allies, Mr. Maulana and others,
03:22also said that the PTI should reconsider this issue.
03:25The PTI kept demanding that our leaders give us access.
03:29We will reconsider our decision.
03:31No access was given.
03:32Give access to the political committee.
03:34No access was given.
03:35Give access to Mr. Khan's sisters.
03:37No access was given.
03:38Come on, give access to the doctors.
03:40No access was given.
03:41After that, the PTI wrote a letter in the name of the Minister of Internal Affairs
03:46in a written form, bringing this statement or this demand to the record.
03:51You can see the picture.
03:54The summary of this letter was that we are very concerned
03:57about the health of our party's leadership.
04:00And we have not been able to meet them.
04:02So, Mr. Barrister Gauhar and Mr. Hamid Raza,
04:06who are also MNAs, please give them access.
04:09The scenario that has been going on for the past few weeks
04:12or is still going on,
04:13the same scenario that has spread on the political scenario of Pakistan,
04:16has now been officially presented for the first time.
04:22Before this, there was only speculation.
04:24Before this, there was an estimate.
04:26Before this, there was an attempt.
04:27After that, the Parliament was called for a hearing.
04:30But the government's number was not completed.
04:32Mr. Maulana did not agree.
04:33The matter was over.
04:34After that, this is the first formal presentation in all these scenarios.
04:38What is the presentation?
04:39Mr. Maulana Fadlur Rehman has agreed to the amendment to the constitution.
04:45What are the details?
04:46What is the content?
04:47Yet to be discovered.
04:48Yet to be known.
04:49He has not told us yet.
04:50But it is certain that, first of all,
04:53Mr. Maulana Fadlur Rehman has agreed to be part of the amendment to the constitution.
04:58Point number one.
04:59And we all know that if Mr. Maulana's numbers were not there,
05:02it would have been very difficult for the government to complete the number.
05:05Technically, the number is still a little short.
05:07But it will not be very difficult for the government.
05:09Mr. Maulana has agreed.
05:10Point number one.
05:11Point number two.
05:12Mr. Maulana Fadlur Rehman and the Pakistan People's Party have agreed to one amendment.
05:19This is number two.
05:20And tomorrow, the Muslim League will be met at noon.
05:23And it will be tried to convince them as well.
05:27These are the three developments.
05:29As of now, this question is precise.
05:31And one more development has also come.
05:33Let me update you on this.
05:34Then I will tell you about it after a little while.
05:36The official medical report of Mr. Imran Khan, the founder of Pakistan Justice Movement, has come out.
05:43The background is that the PTI had said that give us permission to the doctors.
05:47Otherwise, on 15th October, give our leader permission to the doctors.
05:51Otherwise, we will protest on 15th October.
05:54He also wrote and said that let me and Hamid Raza meet.
05:57Barrister Gauhar said that.
05:58That was not accepted.
05:59Then last night, Barrister Gauhar said that we have been assured
06:02that Mr. Khan will be given permission to the doctors.
06:05And we will be informed of his health.
06:07That is why I am cancelling this protest.
06:09Today, the doctors were given permission.
06:11A little while ago, Barrister Gauhar said that Mr. Khan's medical report will be shared with us.
06:16And that is fine, Alhamdulillah.
06:17Now that medical report has come.
06:19After a little while, this medical report, which has come technically,
06:22there are some technical terms in it as well.
06:24After a little while, we will take a doctor with us and share in easy words
06:27what this official medical report is saying about Mr. Khan's health.
06:31Because it is written that he is fine.
06:33But it is also written about some diseases.
06:35We will also share that with you.
06:36Right now, we will start the conversation with the guests in this development,
06:40which is important to start with.
06:42Mr. Hamid Raza is the senior advisor of the Sunni Triad Council, of course.
06:45And there is no secret that he came back from Pakistan.
06:49He is with us.
06:50The name of Hamid Raza was also written in that letter.
06:52Apart from the party head, Barrister Gauhar, that we are not allowed to meet Mr. Khan.
06:56And there is also a part of the meeting with Mr. Maulana in terms of Ayani Tarameen.
06:59There is also a part of the statements.
07:00Mr. Hamid Raza, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
07:02Assalam-o-Alaikum.
07:04Please increase the volume.
07:05Sir, thank you very much for giving us time.
07:07Mr. Hamid, a lot of developments have taken place.
07:09First, tell me.
07:11Tell me honestly.
07:13This news, if you want to know the details, you will find out later.
07:17But on anything, whatever the details,
07:19the fact that Mr. Maulana has agreed with Pakistan People's Party
07:23on constitutional amendment.
07:25How did you find this news?
07:27Were you a little surprised?
07:31No, look, I will tell you one thing.
07:33When I was in the meeting of the special committee the other day,
07:38Mr. Maulana was in Karachi
07:40and Kamran Murtaza could not be informed on time.
07:43But on behalf of Mr. Maulana, his representative,
07:47his MNA is a lady.
07:49She was absolutely right.
07:50And this agreement was made on it.
07:52Mr. Maulana's opinion was that
07:54first Mr. Maulana will discuss his draft with Pakistan People's Party.
07:59And then when he comes to Islamabad,
08:01after coming to Islamabad,
08:03he will sit with Pakistan Muslim League Law
08:06and will sit with Pakistan Law and Justice.
08:09He will sit with the other parties.
08:11On this basis, the meeting of the special committee was called on 17th
08:16after everyone's unanimous opinion.
08:19But today we were informed
08:21in the evening
08:23that the special committee is going to be called on 16th.
08:28So I have refused.
08:30I will not be a part of the special committee.
08:32Because when we left the committee yesterday,
08:35a unanimous opinion was developed
08:37that the meeting will be on 17th.
08:39So what is the problem?
08:41This is the doomsday.
08:43The meeting was called on 16th
08:45and we are far away from Islamabad.
08:48What is the answer to this?
08:50If you connect the dots,
08:52there is no answer to this question.
08:55That means something has happened.
08:57That is why the meeting was called on 16th.
08:59The meeting was called on 17th.
09:01Mr. Maulana's press conference.
09:03In our discussion with Mr. Maulana,
09:05with reference to the draft,
09:07the discussion between Mr. Salman Akram Raja
09:09and Mr. Kamran Murza
09:11was about the constitutional bench.
09:15And we were ready to sit down
09:17and talk about the constitutional bench.
09:23We are not the representatives
09:25of a separate constitutional court.
09:27Let me be very clear on it.
09:29And because of the discussions
09:31between the People's Party and the JUIF,
09:34between Mr. Maulana and Mr. Balavan,
09:37we do not have such a report.
09:40No one has discussed its details.
09:42But Mr. Hamid, it would be right to say
09:44that you were under the impression
09:46that Mr. Maulana will talk to the People's Party.
09:48You knew that.
09:50Then he will talk to the JUIF.
09:52Then he will talk to you.
09:54But to discuss with you
09:56that the People's Party says this,
09:58the JUIF says that,
10:00and you know what you say,
10:02this was something else.
10:04And to have a proper press conference
10:06and say that the decision has been made,
10:08this will be a little unexpected for you.
10:10You will not expect that Mr. Maulana
10:12will give a commitment to the People's Party.
10:14He has already given a commitment.
10:16No, politically, if you ask me,
10:18Mr. Waseem Adhami,
10:20it was not as unexpected.
10:22Really?
10:26Are you with us, Mr. Hamid?
10:28Mr. Hamid Raza?
10:30Okay, please introduce Mr. Hamid Raza again.
10:32Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
10:34I would like to know about Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
10:36Mr. Fawad, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
10:38Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Waseem.
10:40Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Waseem.
10:42Okay, Mr. Government, what has been decided,
10:44it is a matter of time.
10:46This press conference that you have just seen,
10:48and Mr. Hamid, of course,
10:50he may want to say something in political terms.
10:52Don't you think that
10:54the reason for the PTI
10:56is that Mr. Maulana
10:58has agreed on anything,
11:00whatever it is,
11:02with the People's Party,
11:04and has made a formal announcement.
11:06The PTI will be considered later,
11:08but he has also made an announcement
11:10But the position of the PTI
11:12is not what
11:14Mr. Hamid has said.
11:16In the PTI, Imran Khan is very clear
11:18that the current parliament
11:20is based on Form 47,
11:22and therefore he has no right
11:24to amend the constitution.
11:26So it is obvious that the policy of Imran Khan
11:28will be followed by the PTI.
11:30The conversation
11:32that took place with Maulana Fazlur Rehman
11:34is that you are going to change
11:36the basic structure.
11:38So what should be
11:40stopped in this?
11:42So Maulana Fazlur Rehman
11:44in this regard,
11:46obviously he is not the PTI.
11:48He has his own party and his own Jamaat.
11:50Now see,
11:52he has done the press conference,
11:54but I feel that he has done it
11:56some time ago.
11:58Because he did not say
12:00that Maulana has come
12:02to his page.
12:04Sir, both have come to the same page,
12:06irrespective of who is on whose page.
12:08This is a very important thing.
12:10Now see,
12:12in politics,
12:14when there is a new day,
12:16there will be new water.
12:18New water will flow under the trees.
12:20Now if you look at Irfan Siddiqui
12:224-5 days ago,
12:24he says that all the parties
12:26have already agreed on the basic constitution.
12:28But when the constitution
12:30came before us, we saw
12:32that there is a stark difference.
12:34Maulana Fazlur Rehman
12:36says that Bilawal Bhutto's
12:38basic thing is the
12:40Federal Constitution Court.
12:42Maulana Fazlur Rehman
12:44said this a while ago.
12:46In the evening, he said
12:48that we do not accept this.
12:50He does not accept the new
12:52Federal Constitutional Court.
12:54This means that
12:56Bilawal Bhutto and the government
12:58have withdrawn from their position.
13:00And if Bilawal Bhutto says
13:02that we have come to one page,
13:04then it means that
13:06you heard Maulana's speech
13:08last night. It was a very aggressive speech
13:10in Mirpur.
13:12Mr. Fawad, one last thing.
13:14This can also be the case.
13:16Maulana has publicly said
13:18that there should not be a seniority principle
13:20in the Supreme Court judges.
13:22If Maulana agrees that
13:24there should be a bench,
13:26and if the next achievement is not in seniority
13:28and the people's party has agreed on it,
13:30then there is a possibility
13:32that Mansoor Ali Shah will be removed.
13:34Is this a possibility or not?
13:36No, that is a possibility.
13:38That will serve the purpose of the government.
13:40I don't understand
13:42who gave this advice to the government
13:44and the establishment.
13:46You will get a lawyer's movement
13:48against you.
13:50You will not be able to achieve your goal.
13:52The interest of the Moon League
13:54and the establishment
13:56was the first competition
13:58and the second competition
14:00was a late week amendment
14:02in which your military course...
14:04Sir, there are thousands of wishes
14:06that every wish should be fulfilled.
14:08But if Mansoor Shah's wish is fulfilled,
14:10then there will be a big problem.
14:12No, the problem will not be solved.
14:14If you remove Mansoor Ali Shah,
14:16then the rest of the people
14:18will do what the government wants.
14:20This is not possible.
14:22Thank you very much, Mr. Fawad.
14:24Mr. Hamid, can you hear me?
14:26Yes, I can hear you.
14:28Yes, I was saying
14:30that this is on record
14:32that PTI has given the impression
14:34that we are under the impression
14:36that whatever will be presented
14:38in this regard,
14:40Mr. Maulana and PTI will have the same stance.
14:42Now you are sitting in Islamabad
14:44and Mr. Maulana has announced
14:46in Karachi that the People's Party
14:48and I have agreed.
14:50So there is no similar stance, right?
14:52No, I am not in Islamabad,
14:54I am in Karachi.
14:58I am not going to disclose your location.
15:00I said it as an example.
15:02I am sorry.
15:04I am your well-wisher, you know.
15:06No, no, no, there is no doubt about it.
15:08I came from the path of knowledge.
15:10I know, I know.
15:12Mr. Waseem, there are two things in it.
15:14The first thing is that
15:16we categorized this position
15:18in the special committee
15:20that when the 18th amendment came,
15:22there was a discussion for almost 9 months.
15:24Yes, we need judicial reforms.
15:26Principally, we agreed on that.
15:28But if you are bringing
15:30amendments close to T2,
15:32you are basically going to change
15:34the appearance of the entire constitution.
15:36We are saying the same thing there
15:38that we need time on this.
15:40You cannot do this
15:42by running around like this.
15:44The second thing is,
15:46Mr. Waseem,
15:48that is why we have not yet
15:50handed it over to anyone.
15:54The most important thing is
15:56that there is an agreement
15:58between Maulana and the People's Party.
16:00Or between Maulana and
16:02Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
16:04Or between the People's Party
16:06or anyone else.
16:08As long as we do not have
16:10a governmental agreement,
16:12no one is in any position
16:14to comment on it.
16:16As if now,
16:18the government itself
16:20is not clear on this.
16:22You are clear on this,
16:24on your previous position
16:26that Mr. Maulana will not make
16:28any comments on the amendment.
16:30You are clear on this, right?
16:32Yes, Mr. Maulana has
16:34repeatedly made me believe
16:36in this.
16:38You also believed in his belief.
16:40Do you still believe or
16:42will you use the word believe?
16:44Sir, if the amendment
16:46is an Army Act or
16:48has a Constitutional Court,
16:50then I think Maulana understands
16:52that Maulana's Jamaat
16:54will be the first to be
16:56affected by the amendment.
16:58Because the specific or special
17:00circumstances that are being
17:02told by the government
17:04are more prevalent in
17:06Balochistan and KPK.
17:08Obviously, Maulana will be
17:10the first to be affected.
17:12That is why Maulana's
17:14Jamaat will be the first
17:16to be affected.
17:18You will be very confident
17:20that Maulana will not
17:22negotiate.
17:24Maulana has agreed to
17:26the TPS Party.
17:28This means that
17:30good candidates have
17:32agreed because Maulana
17:34cannot negotiate.
17:36Now the PTI should
17:38support this.
17:40Until the PTI has
17:42agreed to the amendment,
17:44they cannot support it.
17:46Secondly, you have to
17:48keep in mind the circumstances.
17:50If you are bringing an amendment,
17:52are the effects retrospective
17:54or will it be applied in the future?
17:56There are many things
17:58that are happening.
18:00As far as the Army Court is concerned,
18:02the government told us that
18:04it is not there.
18:06After that, it came to us.
18:08In the last meeting,
18:10it is still there.
18:12Until the government
18:14comes to us,
18:16we are in no position
18:18to comment.
18:2224 seats are vacant
18:24in Lahore High Court.
18:2624 seats.
18:28If you are talking about speedy justice,
18:30our demand is to fill
18:32those 24 seats.
18:34The Constitution Court
18:36that you are making,
18:38the total number of
18:40constitutional cases is
18:42less than 180.
18:44It is 179 or 180.
18:46You are not surprised
18:48that Mr. Monarda has agreed?
18:50There is no surprise in politics.
18:52In politics, you have to
18:54opt according to your position.
18:56Sometimes unexpected things
18:58happen in front of you.
19:00Let's see.
19:02I may say
19:04it is too early to call.
19:06It would have been better
19:08if other parties were also
19:10taken into consideration.
19:12Thank you very much.
19:36Thank you very much.

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