A hippie grandpa goes missing on Halloween and turns up in his van - dead - on Elm Street. Detectives look into who might have killed this beloved family man, only to find they are on the trail of someone who has most likely killed before.
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00:00The last time I seen my dad was on Halloween 2009.
00:29He stopped answering my calls probably about 6.30 on Halloween night.
00:36Halloween that year fell on a Saturday.
00:40I started looking for him Sunday.
00:49I drove around Monday all through the country outside Spartansburg, Union City, and Bartonia.
01:01And then on Tuesday, his friend called me from the corner of Elm by the library and
01:06said that he'd found dad's van.
01:09And I said, well, is dad in it?
01:11He said, I haven't went to it.
01:13And I rushed up there.
01:23When I got to the van, I went up on the driver's side.
01:29When I looked in, I could see my dad laying on the floor in the backseat.
01:37I was screaming, my dad's dead.
01:40My parents killed him.
02:10Our dispatch center on November 3, around 5 o'clock, received a 911 call.
02:37It was from Janice Cheadle that she had found her father.
02:42Patrick Cheadle was deceased in the back of a van.
02:47Crime scene investigators, they're looking for cigarette butts, a soda can, anything
02:53that may have DNA to where they can then pinpoint potential suspects.
03:01In this day and age, DNA, fibers, everything else, it's down to the minute.
03:04So we wanted to limit the amount of people within the actual scene.
03:11He was in the back of the van.
03:15There was a lot of blood in the hair and face.
03:18So we knew that it was a head wound.
03:22You can easily conclude someone usually doesn't die in that manner in the back of a vehicle.
03:28We knew we had a homicide.
03:32Investigators are finding a few things that raise questions.
03:34There's no blood splatter inside of that van.
03:38Because of that, they know that this body has been moved from a place where this man
03:42was killed into the van and then parked in this area.
03:49We processed the van.
03:51We took evidence.
03:57One of the bits of evidence was a cell phone that Mr. Cheadle had on his person.
04:02There was a significant amount of cash found.
04:06Patrick Cheadle had $3,000 cash on him when they found his body.
04:12Apparently he was supposed to go buy a car that evening that he went missing.
04:18There was also some marijuana found in the back of the van.
04:23And eventually we removed the body from the van and took it to the coroner's office.
04:34The autopsy determined that it was probable that he died from a gunshot wound to the head.
04:39He was shot at fairly close range.
04:41Then he had abrasions of limestone, as if he had been drugged.
04:47Limestone is what your gravel driveways and a lot of your concrete is made of.
04:53They also saw inside his collar was dried vegetation.
04:57And we called in a botanist and he identified it as a plantain weed.
05:03It's very common, but the botanist said wherever he was drugged, this plant will be present.
05:17It is bizarre.
05:19You have a murder on Halloween, the body being found on Elm Street.
05:25Is there a connection to Halloween?
05:27Nobody knows.
05:30In 2009, Greenville, Ohio has a population of less than 13,000 people.
05:37This is not an ordinary situation for the people who live in a small community like this.
05:44They are scared.
05:49We're the type of community where people still wave to you.
05:53So it's a very small town, the charm is there.
05:59Greenville's very large, older homes, nice homes.
06:02Once you leave Greenville, it's vast farmland, so we are very rural.
06:081997 was the last homicide we had before this one.
06:14People in Greenville, Ohio are terrified.
06:17So investigators need to find the person who did this, and you've got to find them quickly.
06:23Obviously, the next step for detectives is questioning family members, trying to get
06:28leads to figure out what was going on right before Pat Cheadle was killed.
06:35Janice Cheadle, the daughter of Patrick, made the phone call and made the discovery.
06:41She was in shock.
06:43She agreed to speak to me, though.
06:48On Halloween 2009, at approximately noon, I went over to see him at his friend's shop.
07:05He was talking about going to Spartansburg to buy a used car.
07:10And then I said, I'll see you later tonight, you're going to go to my sister's Halloween
07:13party, aren't you?
07:14Yeah, I'll see you later, you know, hugged him, kissed him, told him I loved him, and
07:19that was it.
07:23My dad stopped answering my calls probably about 6.30 on Halloween night.
07:31My dad never showed up to the party.
07:34And then Sunday morning, I went to meet him, and he wasn't there.
07:37He hadn't answered me, which I thought was odd.
07:40It's not like my dad not to answer my calls or texts.
07:43Even if he was busy doing something, he would text me, say, busy, call you later.
07:49And I didn't get anything from him for days.
07:54I called his friend, and his friend hadn't heard from him either.
07:58I called my stepbrother.
08:01I called every jail and hospital in a three-state radius just in case.
08:06I honestly just knew something bad happened because my gut told me, and with him not responding
08:10to me, I knew it was bad.
08:14We just started searching, and my dad's friends just happened to be coming back from Union
08:22City, and they took Elm Street, and happened upon dad's van.
08:31I just remember yelling and screaming and crying, and I was in the middle of the road
08:38and had to be picked up.
08:40It literally feels like your heart's been ripped out of your chest.
08:53I would describe my dad as a hippie.
08:58He was an old soul.
09:01He just was one of those relaxed, calm, cool, collective person most of the time.
09:09He worked on trucks at a truck stop here nearby as a detailer.
09:16That was like a hobby and a moneymaker for him.
09:19He took pride in his work.
09:21He would be polishing his trucks.
09:22He would listen to his classic rock, like the Leonard Skinner and ZZ Top.
09:28He was definitely from that era, and it stuck with him.
09:32He loved his classic rock.
09:36He was a truck driver for about 40 years, so he really wasn't home a lot.
09:41He was on the road probably 50 out of the 52 weeks.
09:45So when he was home, it was all about his family.
09:49He personally only had two kids, me and my sister, but when we were younger, he remarried
09:54and we had three stepbrothers and a stepsister.
09:58My dad definitely was a family man.
10:00His mother meant everything to him.
10:03He was at his mom's at least once or twice a day, checking on her or eating with her
10:06or something.
10:09While investigators are talking to Patrick's mother, they find out there have been some
10:15threats that have come from Patrick's girlfriend's ex-husband.
10:25It seemed that the ex-husband was clearly jealous of Pat and his relationship with his
10:30ex-wife.
10:33My dad had a girlfriend for several years, but the ex-husband and the girlfriend weren't
10:40actually divorced at the time.
10:41They were separated, so there was anger.
10:47The ex-husband had told my dad to stay away from his wife, otherwise there was going to
10:55be trouble.
10:59He'd said it multiple times.
11:03It was a fairly recent threat.
11:17Cheadle's mom said, find this person, he probably knows something.
11:23In her eyes, that was the person responsible for the death of her son.
11:36We all know what Halloween's like.
11:39Kids going out, trick-or-treating, fake horror for everybody, haunted houses.
11:47In Greenville, we have a Halloween parade.
11:50And the businesses will hand out candy, and the fire department's there.
11:55Very charming type stuff.
12:01But this was something that really happened on Halloween on Elm Street, of all places
12:07in Greenville, Ohio.
12:11Patrick Cheadle had been dead in a vehicle for days.
12:18You had Cheadle's girlfriend's ex-husband telling Cheadle to stop messing with his ex.
12:29We brought in Pat's girlfriend for an interview to see what she knew.
12:34We asked about who may have wanted to harm Patrick.
12:37She said her ex-husband.
12:39That's who she felt may have been responsible for Pat's death.
12:44Our next step was we brought in the ex-husband for an interview.
12:47He voluntarily came in.
12:51He admitted to having issues with Pat.
12:53Of course, he had a different story than what other people said.
12:57You know, he made it more of a two-way argument instead of just a one-way.
13:01But he had no qualms of saying that there were issues between the two.
13:04I don't think he showed any remorse on the death, but he did not show any indications
13:09that he was involved in the death.
13:12In the interview, he told us where he was at during Halloween, and his alibi did check
13:17out.
13:21The ex-husband was ruled out as a suspect.
13:29Living in a small town, there was a lot of talk and speculation.
13:34Every time there was a homicide anywhere, there are always rumors.
13:40Was this a robbery?
13:42Was this a drug deal?
13:44Was this somebody else who would have a reason to kill this man?
13:48And those are the questions that detectives immediately start to ask family members and
13:52his daughter, who was on the scene and made that 911 call.
13:58I told Detective Roberts about how my dad was planning on going to buy a car the night
14:03before and told him that the used car was actually a code for him going to buy marijuana
14:09because they needed to know the truth so they could figure out what really happened to my
14:13father.
14:16My dad had approximately $13,000 on him to buy the car.
14:20He had it in a money bag, like a bank money bag.
14:24That's how he carried all his money.
14:27She advised that he was going to have about $13,000, but we only found $3,000 on him.
14:35And then to find $3,000 cash on a robbery victim, yeah, it was confusing.
14:44We thought, well, maybe it wasn't going to be a robbery.
14:50But then detectives get to see cell phone records.
14:55The gold nugget we got was the cell phone.
15:00Because your phone tells a story, tells you where you've been, who you've been in contact
15:04with.
15:08Investigators find three calls on Halloween, a very important date because this is the
15:14last time anybody has seen Cheadle alive.
15:17One call comes from a landline.
15:19Two other calls come from a cell phone.
15:22The cell phone number traced back to a 19-year-old by the name of David Meisner, which was a
15:27little unusual that, you know, Pat was 53 at the time and he was in contact with a 19-year-old.
15:35The landline phone calls came from Bartonia, Indiana, across the state line about 20 minutes
15:41away.
15:42And they have to get the Randolph County Sheriff's Office involved too as they go there and start
15:49investigating in that small little township of Bartonia.
15:54The Greenville Police Department, Chief Roberts, he reached out to me, told me that they had
15:59went through some cell phone records.
16:02And I just basically lay out everything we have.
16:05And then the names that we're giving, he knew them, Adam and Marsha Hargrove.
16:11They were definitely of a person of interest.
16:15So we made a trip out there to the Hargrove house.
16:22Investigators are really cautious when they're going to this home.
16:26The Randolph County Sheriff's Department has had run-ins with the people who lived there
16:29in the past.
16:32I was familiar with the address.
16:36Even as a patrol officer, I had been there numerous times for domestic-related situations.
16:44There has been some criminal activity involved with these folks.
16:48So they're just cautious.
16:50They don't want to do anything to cause any alarm.
16:53They don't want to do anything to put themselves in danger either.
16:57It was very rural, very remote area, long lane.
17:01It was a husband, wife, and I believe a couple kids.
17:07It was oddly calm.
17:13We went to the residence and spoke with the homeowners there.
17:17They were confused as to who Patrick Cheadle was.
17:23They weren't familiar with the green van.
17:26They weren't familiar with any of the questions that we were asking.
17:31But they consented to a search.
17:35So we basically started looking for any potential types of evidence there at the house that
17:40would indicate that that might have been where the crime occurred.
17:51Inside the house, there was a fireplace that had burned latex of some sort, and we believe
17:57that it might have been rubber gloves.
17:59Obviously, odd.
18:00You don't see that a lot in somebody's fireplace in their home.
18:08Investigators also find plantain, which matches the vegetation that was on Cheadle's shirt
18:14found at the coroner's office.
18:17I would say within an hour or two, we had the actual search warrant and a crime tech
18:23from the Indiana State Police to use luminol.
18:28If sprayed onto a surface that has had blood on it, it will make it illuminate.
18:35When he sprayed it on the wooden deck at that property, you could physically see where the
18:43shooting occurred and then where a person had been drug off of the porch.
18:50We knew we had our crime scene at that point.
18:54We decided to go ahead and take the deck apart.
18:58And as soon as we got the boards lifted up, we found a large pooling of blood.
19:04The crime scene tech gets a sample of that blood.
19:08Once they did those tests, it was confirmed that it was Patrick Cheadle's blood.
19:15Investigators have their crime scene now.
19:17It's on this couple's back porch.
19:20Obviously, they think these two people who live in this home are somehow involved.
19:27But the couple is adamant that they are not involved in Cheadle's murder at all.
19:33Adam and Marsha said that on Halloween, during the time frame of the homicide, they were
19:38at a hospital in Indiana.
19:41Detectives want to know how this blood splatter ended up on their back porch.
19:47Why is there a crime scene back there?
19:50And they don't know, could this couple be murderers?
19:55But investigators had no idea what was going to happen next, and it was a lot worse than
19:59they could have ever imagined.
20:18Adam and Marsha said that during the time frame of the homicide, they were not home.
20:24The couple is adamant that they had nothing to do with Cheadle's murder.
20:29They don't know how this blood splatter ended up on their back porch.
20:35And their alibi was verified.
20:38Everything checked out.
20:39They did go visit a hospital in Indiana.
20:43However, they then let investigators know that somebody had been staying in their house
20:50while he was having some trouble with his family.
20:55The homeowner said that his cousin, Terry Durbin, had access to the house, and it was
20:59on again, off again, staying there.
21:02The night that they came back home from Indianapolis, they found that Terry Durbin was there with
21:08a 19-year-old kid.
21:11The homeowner said that the 19-year-old was drinking beer and smoking marijuana.
21:18This 19-year-old kid was David Meisner.
21:23And Meisner had called in the cell phone that Mr. Cheadle had on his person.
21:27So things started coming together pretty quick.
21:32The couple did tell us that Terry had left and was going to visit his brother up in Georgia.
21:38But prior to him leaving, they noted that he gave them some cash and that he got some
21:45repairs done to his vehicle.
21:47And they found it kind of odd because he had been kind of on hard times and did not have
21:52a lot of money, and suddenly he's got a lot of cash on him.
21:58At that point, our focus turned to learning as much as we could about the cousin, Terry
22:03Durbin.
22:05When investigators learned the name Terry Durbin, Durbin happens to be someone who knows
22:12Cheadle's stepson.
22:15Terry Durbin and my stepbrother, Derek, grew up together in the same little town.
22:20So that's how my dad met Terry Durbin, was through my stepbrother.
22:24Investigators start doing some background digging into him, and they find he sells pot
22:29and he has a violent temper.
22:31One of our local police departments had told us that he was a suspect in a home invasion.
22:37They also indicated that he was a suspect in a bank robbery that had occurred in South
22:42Bend.
22:44Terry is a bad guy.
22:48The investigators understand that there is this murderer going through their community,
22:54hiding somewhere, and potentially could strike again.
23:00While investigators are digging into Durbin's background, some people let them know there
23:05was a double murder in a small town called Mongo, about two hours north in Indiana.
23:19I would describe my dad, he was a pretty boisterous guy.
23:31Very warm, very caring, very giving.
23:36Terry Anderson and I ran around together and had a lot of fun.
23:40We liked fish and hunting, stuff like that.
23:45Darlene, my stepmother, she was like a little butterfly.
23:48She was very soft-spoken.
23:51She had a really warm heart.
23:54My dad and Darlene had one child together, and that was Amanda Anderson.
24:03My dad worked for a tree service company.
24:08After Katrina, he decided to go down south to help with clearing out some of the trees
24:14and the damage.
24:17And he definitely was able to earn and save quite a bit of money.
24:23He was working on having a side business and being a musky tour guide.
24:26You know, and he says, I'm just going to take $10,000 cash, and I'm going to get a brand
24:32new boat, but two feet longer.
24:36And he did tell people that he had quite a bit of money to buy this boat.
24:42Maybe he could talk a little bit too much.
24:50The phone call came when I was at work that Darlene had been shot, and is dead in the
25:01house, and they can't find dad.
25:09When we got to Mongo, a detective came and started handing me personal items of my dad's.
25:17That's when he told me that my dad was found in the barn and he was deceased.
25:23And they said that they were murdered.
25:28It was violent.
25:37When you find out that a family member dies, it's hard just knowing that they're not here
25:42anymore.
25:45But for it to sink in that they were taken, violently taken, it has a different tone.
25:55They didn't tell me where Terry was murdered.
26:03I found this out when we started walking onto the other side of the pole barn.
26:08This huge, huge, round circumference of blood, thick, and Terry Anderson's hat was laying
26:17right there in this pool of blood.
26:21And I'm like, oh my gosh.
26:25Terry and Darlene were brutally beat.
26:28Terry's throat was cut.
26:29And you could see the blood on the lawnmower, and the blood on the ceiling looked like somebody
26:37did that.
26:38You know, the blood was wall to wall, little pieces of scalp and stuff.
26:46And you could see where he put a handprint on the mower.
26:51I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, this is where he was murdered?
26:56And they're like, yeah, you know.
26:58And I go, this is not good.
27:00I can't have my wife see this stuff.
27:04They said, I mean, we can have a cleanup service come in and clean it up.
27:07And I said, but when will that happen?
27:10I don't know, maybe a couple of days, the investigator said.
27:13And I says, oh, I can't have Sherry see her dad here.
27:17Well, the investigator says, well, you can clean them up.
27:23From my perspective, this case was poorly investigated.
27:28Investigators turned the crime scene over to the family immediately after only hours.
27:33They tell the family members that they can clean it up.
27:38Family members are panicked.
27:39They don't know what to do.
27:41So they start taking everything out of this house that has blood on it.
27:47They take out the carpet and burn all of this evidence, unknowingly thinking that investigators
27:54have everything they need.
27:58And there is a murderer on the loose, ready to strike again.
28:11Terry Durbin worked at the tree trimming service with my dad.
28:34They worked quite closely.
28:36I met him on a few occasions.
28:40He was a laborer and kind of an aid and assist, putting brush or anything into the shredder,
28:50whatever it takes to get the job done.
28:54My father-in-law and I would be out in the barn, and a couple of occasions, Terry Durbin
29:00showed up just to talk.
29:06If Durbin was indeed involved in those Mongo murders, as he is suspected to have been,
29:13it also appears that he didn't like to operate alone.
29:17Terry Anderson's daughter, Amanda, she had a meth addiction, I guess you could say, knowing
29:26to do meth, hanging around with meth friends, hanging out with Terry Durbin as well.
29:34There is lots of speculation from family members and detectives as well that Amanda
29:41had a role in the death of her parents.
29:46I suspected a possibility of my sister or her circle of friends.
29:53There was a lot of behaviors that I questioned about my sister, and the lack of trying to
30:06find out who murdered our father and our mother.
30:13Maybe it wasn't something where she expected them to be killed, but there was an incentive
30:21for her to get that money that her parents, and her father in particular, had just come
30:27up with.
30:29My sister's possible involvement affected me very deep, and it still bothers me.
30:38It still hurts me, just to thought.
30:51This case had been cold already for four years before Terry Durbin's name comes up
31:08again in this murder of Patrick Cheadle.
31:12As it turns out, the two cases had quite a few similarities.
31:18From what I've gathered about Terry Durbin, everything's about money, and that's where
31:23these two cases really collide.
31:27Both of these men had cash on hand in their pockets.
31:32Both of these men were talking about the money that they had in their pockets.
31:37My dad had lent Terry Durbin money, and I believe Terry Durbin had given my dad a check,
31:43and I don't think the check was a good check, and my dad had had a hard time and was angry
31:47with Terry Durbin with this loan.
31:52We were told he was more than likely the person who committed the crimes in the Mongo murders.
32:01When a crime occurs in a small community like that, the word spreads fast, and people were
32:06scared.
32:07I was hearing a bunch of rumors about Terry Durbin.
32:11The rumors on the street were about people he'd beat up, and almost beat to death, who
32:16wouldn't ever testify or tell the cops who did it.
32:20I honestly was quite scared after this.
32:23I never had a gun in my house.
32:26I had a handgun that I slept with under my pillow because it was very scary.
32:32People are terrified that there is a murderer on the loose in their community.
32:38We knew we had a very bad guy, and we wanted to find these two people before someone else
32:44is going to get killed.
32:46We didn't sleep.
32:49We'd get a couple hours and start out early in the morning.
32:53We had the sheriff's office involved, and then we had Randolph County involved.
32:58Everybody worked for a common goal.
33:02We got the numbers, and we were able to track their cell phones, and we knew that Terry
33:06Durbin was going to Georgia, and Mr. Meisner, we pinged him up in Chicago.
33:14I made contact with David, and I called him.
33:17I introduced myself.
33:19I could tell that he was nervous.
33:21We then talked about the fact that he showed concern because Mr. Durbin wanted to meet
33:26him.
33:29And I kept telling him, do not meet him, because looking at the dynamics of the two,
33:33you could tell who was probably the leader and who was the follower.
33:38I explained, if you meet with him, he's going to get rid of loose ends.
33:45Investigators know Terry Durbin could strike again.
33:52It was just a matter of time.
34:07I was very focused on getting those two in.
34:17We had a 53-year-old guy who we strongly believe was involved in another double homicide who
34:22was experienced in the world of crime, and we had a 19-year-old kid who was foolish enough
34:28to follow the lead of Terry Durbin.
34:33We decided to just call Terry Durbin and David Meisner, just call them initially to
34:38see if they would cooperate and come back and speak with us, and shockingly, both agreed
34:45to return.
34:46However, Terry said that he needed to take care of some personal business before he would
34:51return.
34:54David Meisner's mother had already got him an attorney, and he had X amount of time to
34:58turn himself in, or I told her that, you know, we would start looking for him, and that would
35:02not be good.
35:05In my thought process, Mr. Durbin wanted to meet Mr. Meisner to kill Meisner, and I think
35:13he knew that.
35:14I think he figured that out.
35:16He was scared, so he did come in.
35:21Meisner was ready to talk.
35:24He looked like a scared kid to me.
35:27He told us they had set up a drug deal.
35:32They were selling three pounds of marijuana, and the asking price was $9,000 to $10,000.
35:41He was chosen, which the similarities with Mongo comes because he was going to have cash
35:46on hand.
35:48Pat was there to buy $10,000 worth of marijuana that did not exist.
35:53Instead of it being a marijuana purchase, it was a robbery, and the robbery turned into
35:57a homicide.
36:00David Meisner did not know the person personally who was coming, and he said that when he arrived,
36:09there was a green van that came down the driveway, and that Terry Durbin had went to answer the
36:14door.
36:17While Terry was outside, he hears a pop that he recognizes as a gunshot.
36:23He told us that Terry came back in the house, pointing the gun at him, telling him to come
36:28help him where he was next.
36:32He told us that Terry Durbin then used a hose to clean blood off the deck.
36:38They drug the body to the van.
36:42Durbin drove the van with Patrick Cheadle in the back.
36:45Mr. Meisner was behind him.
36:49They dumped him off at Elm Street.
36:54And then they drove back to the residence.
36:58And later on, that's when the homeowners did come home, and he found that they were drinking.
37:05David Meisner also told us that prior to him and Terry separating ways, Terry gave him
37:11$2,000 in cash.
37:15David Meisner also did tell us that he purchased the gun, and he told us that he didn't know
37:21a murder was going to occur.
37:22I mean, he thought it was going to be a robbery.
37:28Investigators now have what they believe is enough evidence to arrest both Meisner and
37:34Durbin.
37:35Shortly after, we were contacted by Terry Durbin's attorney, and the attorney made it
37:41clear to us that he had talked to his client, and he did not wish to talk with law enforcement.
37:47We explained to him we were taking him into custody, and we still had enough reason to
37:50believe that he was involved in the murder.
37:55On November 12, 2009, two weeks after the murder of Patrick Cheadle, Terry Durbin is
38:01finally arrested and charged with his murder.
38:04David Meisner, also arrested, also charged in the murder of Patrick Cheadle.
38:10David Meisner cooperated with investigators, cooperated with the prosecution, and he was
38:16treated as a friendly witness.
38:19He still got charged with murder.
38:21He still got charged with robbery.
38:23However, the prosecution and the state made a deal, sentenced him to 20 years in prison.
38:31Durbin denied everything, claimed he was completely innocent.
38:37The trial was in 2010.
38:39All of Cheadle's family was there.
38:40They brought in a slew of character witnesses describing Terry Durbin's behavior, his temper.
38:49On October 29, jury goes into deliberations.
38:52They spend only six hours, and they come back with guilty on both charges, murder and armed
38:58robbery.
39:08When the jury said guilty, I actually teared up.
39:11I mean, it was like a huge feeling of relief.
39:18I know what it did for the family, but Patrick Cheadle's still somebody's dad.
39:27They took my rock from me.
39:30They took my father.
39:32They took my kid's grandpa.
39:34They don't get to experience and build memories like I did with my dad.
39:39They took a son.
39:41They took a caregiver from my grandma away.
39:44I believe that Pat Cheadle could have still been alive if we'd been able to nab Terry
39:50Durbin in my family's case.
39:54We were told that he was the suspect in the Mongo murders, but they would not try a circumstantial
40:02case.
40:03There was no physical evidence that would tie him there.
40:06They just thought it wasn't a case they could try and win, is what I was told.
40:22Whoever did it, they should pay for it.
40:26Every single day, I have to wake up knowing what happened to my family.
40:30I mean, they beat them.
40:32They beat them to where they couldn't even have an open casket.
40:38It's the violence that really bothers me the most.
40:41That's what really, really, really hurts, is how they died.
40:48It's not a matter that they died, it's how.
40:52It's so hard.
40:57He's the first and only person that I've registered with the prisons with that I want to know
41:01if he's released, if he escapes, that they'll personally call my cell phone and tell me.
41:08I want to know where he's at, at all times.
41:11He's where he needs to be, and I pray that the Andersons are able to get justice in their
41:18case.
41:19He's where he needs to be, and I pray that the Andersons are able to get justice in their
41:25case.