Who did Barrister Gohar meet at KP House? - Rauf Hassan Reveals Insiders
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00:00Barrister Gauhar entered KP house.
00:06When he came out, the police asked him, did you meet Ali Ameen?
00:10What did he say?
00:11If you want, you can listen first.
00:13Then tell me, where is Barrister Gauhar?
00:17Sir, sir, sir, sir.
00:19Sir, tell us, did Ali Ameen come forcefully or did he arrest someone?
00:24Sir, sir, sir, sir.
00:26Sir, tell us, did Ali Ameen come forcefully or did he arrest someone?
00:31He came out to meet Ali Ameen or to meet someone in KP house.
00:35He said nothing to the media.
00:37They took him out.
00:39What was he trying to hide?
00:42The developments that were happening inside and which he had come to know.
00:45I said that the layers will come out at some point in time, but I want it to come out in
00:53such a way that there is no need to create further divisions, there is no need to create
00:58further hatred.
00:59We want that whatever it is, it should be collected and handled.
01:03I don't want to do point scoring.
01:05I don't want the rest of the people to do point scoring.
01:08The fact of the matter is that we have politically…
01:10Sir, to do point scoring, the problem is that there is an event which happened yesterday
01:15in the last 24-48 hours.
01:16There was a protest.
01:17The CM has been abducted.
01:18He is a missing person.
01:19And this is a very big thing because he is the minister of a province in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
01:24He has been abducted.
01:25He is a missing person.
01:26He is not visible.
01:27Someone has abducted him.
01:28And he himself came out and said that I was not abducted.
01:31I don't know how difficult it was to walk there.
01:34So, you are not telling the truth.
01:36No.
01:37So, you are not telling the truth.
01:38No.
01:39According to you.
01:40You are saying that there will be a time for that.
01:41We are saying that it is fine.
01:42Now, it is up to you to decide as to what time it is.
01:44No, no.
01:45Listen.
01:46The statements that many of our people were giving, at that time, frankly, they did not
01:49know where Ali Ameen Sahib was.
01:51Ali Ameen Sahib not being present or not being able to meet us, the conclusion that was drawn
01:58was that he is absent.
02:00He is not there.
02:01Consequently, the statements that 2-3-4 people gave, you have also told me, those statements
02:06under the given circumstances, seem very logical.
02:09Who did Gauhar Sahib meet at the KP house?
02:12Well, he did not tell me specifically, but understandably, it was Ali Ameen Sahib.
02:17So, he met Ali Ameen Sahib at the KP house.
02:20Wasn't Ali Ameen Sahib hiding?
02:23I met him.
02:24I did not ask him this question, nor did he tell me that he was hiding.
02:27So, this is the time.
02:28You must have heard the question of the journalist.
02:30He did not answer.
02:31Was he arrested?
02:33This means that this is the time when the news has spread that Ali Ameen is not there
02:39or Ali Ameen is missing in action.
02:42He is missing.
02:43And when you go inside, you say that he met Ali Ameen, but when he came out, he did not
02:46say anything.
02:47And he did not tell you anything either.
02:48I am assuming.
02:49Absolutely.
02:50This is the case.
02:51Absolutely.
02:52This is the case.
02:53And after that, the way the story has developed, the fact of the matter is that we believe
02:56that we have achieved our political objectives.
02:59Ali Ameen Sahib has returned.
03:01And the next program will continue.
03:05The trade will continue.
03:06But if you are saying this, you said that the Red Zone was sealed after Ali Ameen's
03:10departure.
03:11No, I am saying KP House.
03:13KP House was sealed.
03:14I am talking about KP House.
03:15KP House was already sealed.
03:16I am talking about KP House.
03:17So, Ali Ameen Sahib also entered a sealed Red Zone.
03:20The world had reached there before Ali Ameen Sahib.
03:23Hundreds of people were sitting there before Ali Ameen Sahib reached there, in the Red
03:26Zone.
03:27They also reached there.
03:28Similarly, the convoy that was with Ali Ameen Sahib also reached there.
03:31You must have seen how many people were there day and night.
03:33And people also left.
03:34They also left.
03:35Absolutely.
03:36And they left at the time when it was being said that now the Rangers and the police
03:40have carried out a combing operation and cleared the area.
03:43It was not cleared at all.
03:44People were present there.
03:45Ali Ameen was present.
03:46Everyone was present.
03:47Ali Ameen was present, right?
03:48He was one.
03:49He was one at that time.
03:50There was a big debate going on that where did Barrister Gauhar go from there?
03:55What was going on at that time?
03:58He had come to the party meetings.
04:00You must have asked him what had happened.
04:02Yes, we had a meeting.
04:03We had a talk at the party meetings.
04:05It was the last meeting.
04:06He was there.
04:07He spoke about some things.
04:11What did he say?
04:12Okay, you cannot say that.
04:13No, no.
04:14I will tell you one thing.
04:15Kashif, I apologize to you, but I don't think this is the right time to talk about this.
04:23I will tell you this.
04:24Mr. Imran Riaz met Ali Ameen yesterday.
04:27His videos have been played.
04:29He did a vlog.
04:30Then he asked people a question on the internet.
04:35How many percent of people agree with Ali Ameen's story?
04:40The story he gave.
04:41He said that 75,000 people gave their answer.
04:4488% said that they don't believe what he said.
04:50There is a lot of confusion.
04:51I agree.
04:52I am sitting in front of you.
04:53I agree.
04:54But the Chief Minister has said that the Chief Minister knows what he is saying.
04:59So we have to go by that.
05:02The lion has come.
05:03The lion has come.
05:04It has happened twice.
05:06It can happen the third time as well.
05:07Why do you worry about it?
05:09Neither do you have control nor do I have control.
05:11He is a fool, sir.
05:13What else do you want to hear?
05:14Let's move ahead, sir.
05:15There is a lot of kite flying at such times.
05:20Everybody is flying kites.
05:21Everyone is flying kites.
05:22Someone told me that he is here.
05:24No, he is not here.
05:25No, he was not in that office.
05:26No, he was not in that room.
05:27No, he was not in that place.
05:28So there is a lot of kite flying.
05:30Kashyap, I look at it this way.
05:31All is well that ends well.
05:33And this has ended well.
05:35Thank God.
05:36But the way our people have been combed off, they have been caught.
05:42Look at the statements of the administration.
05:44Thousands of people have been caught.
05:46I think this is not the way to deal with the political party.
05:49Yeah, but also Ali Amin Khan actually is endorsing.
05:54He is endorsing Mohsin Naqvi.
05:56Who is Ali Amin?
05:57We don't have him.
05:58So, he is the most wanted.
06:02Ali Amin was the most wanted man in Islamabad and he got away with so much.
06:06Sometimes, time plays big games.
06:09And when time passes, those games change.
06:13And then the reality of those games becomes imaginary.
06:17I think you and I will possibly sit back and let's say six months from now or a year from now,
06:22we will look back and we will talk about the discussion that we are having right now.
06:27We are not having a discussion.
06:29It's a non-discussion.
06:34But you can't do that.
06:37So, it's not a discussion unfortunately.
06:47I know it's a problem.
07:03I know it's a problem.
07:04I know it's a problem.