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00:32And now, let's meet our panel of famous names.
00:35Well-known composer, conductor, and author, Meredith Wilson.
00:44Famous radio and television actress, Joan Alexander.
00:49Famous comedy star of radio, stage, and television, Jerry Lester.
01:02And your host and moderator, who is pinch-hitting for Robert Q. Lewis,
01:06star of stage, screen, and television, Conrad Nagel.
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01:17Tonight, you're going to meet some people who have very famous names.
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02:24Now, friends, after those words of wisdom, we're ready to meet our first guest.
02:27Will you come out, please, sir?
02:29Good evening, and welcome to The Name's the Same.
02:34Now, my name is Conrad Nagel.
02:35I don't want you to tell me your name.
02:38We'd like to know, where are you from, sir?
02:40Brooklyn.
02:41Brooklyn, I see.
02:42And what's your occupation?
02:43I work at the A&P.
02:44Work at the A&P.
02:45Yes, sir.
02:46Now, it is true that you do have a famous name.
02:48Is that correct?
02:49Yes, sir.
02:50Well, if you don't mind, I'm going to refer to you as Mr. X
02:51because I might just accidentally give away your famous name.
02:54We wouldn't want to do that for our panel.
02:56Now, for submitting this name to us,
02:57we're sending $10 to Miss Patricia Glenn of Elmhurst, New York.
03:01I suppose we'll let our home audience see what your famous name is.
03:07Now, that really is your name, isn't it?
03:09I might say for the benefit of our home audience
03:11that our experts have verified this name by means of birth certificates
03:15and other legal verification.
03:17Now, let's see if our panel can figure out what your famous name is.
03:20It's going to be up to you, panel, to cross-examine Mr. X
03:24and find out what his famous name is.
03:26You have 10 questions apiece,
03:27and each panelist who uses up his questions
03:30or fails to guess Mr. X's name,
03:32will pay our contestant $25.
03:34Jerry Lester, you look beaming with eagerness there,
03:37and you have 10 beautiful questions to ask.
03:39Well, suppose we start off with you, Mr. Jerry Lester.
03:42Thank you, and good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
03:44It's been a grand eight weeks.
03:46Are you living?
03:48No.
03:50How'd you get over here?
03:53Were you ever living?
03:55Yes.
03:57Were you ever married?
03:59No.
04:01Were you a man?
04:03Yes.
04:04Seven questions left, Jerry.
04:06Oh, really?
04:07Yep.
04:08Goody, I pass.
04:09Joan Alexander?
04:10Were you in the arts?
04:12No.
04:13Were you in politics?
04:15Were you in politics?
04:16Politics.
04:17The answer to that is yes.
04:19Yes.
04:20Did you hold an elected office?
04:23Yes.
04:24Was it a federal office?
04:27Yes.
04:28Was it the presidency of the United States?
04:30Yes.
04:31Five questions left, Joan.
04:32Did you die in this century?
04:34Yes.
04:35You died in this century.
04:37Were you a Republican?
04:39No.
04:40Three questions left, Joan.
04:41You were a Democrat who died in this century.
04:43Were you any chance Franklin D. Rosa?
04:45Are you any chance Franklin D. Rosa?
04:46No, ma'am.
04:47No.
04:48Two questions left, Joan.
04:49Well, I don't have to take that.
04:50A Democrat who died in this century.
04:53Well, I'll pass to you, sweetie, while I think.
04:55Well, I've got to say Woodrow Wilson.
04:57That is correct.
05:03Congratulations to Meredith Wilson for winning.
05:06I think, Joan, you did a lot of very good spade work for Meredith Wilson.
05:10I think that I will certainly pay half of Joan's check.
05:16Well, Mr. Woodrow Wilson, you can go over and collect a check from Joan Alexander and from Jerry Lester.
05:21And thank you for the makers of Johnson's Wax for playing the names the same.
05:28Wilson, thank you.
05:29Do you have any relations?
05:31No.
05:32Do you know I want to continue with you?
05:34Yes, I do.
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08:06And now suppose we have our next guest with a famous name.
08:09Will you come out please?
08:10Applause
08:17Well now, Mr. Contestant, where are you from?
08:20Well, originally, Bristol, Oklahoma.
08:24Bristol, Oklahoma?
08:25Yup.
08:26And what's your occupation?
08:28Airline pilot.
08:29That is what the uniform means.
08:31The best airline, I might say.
08:32Good.
08:33American airline.
08:34Well now, we know you've got a famous name. We're all anxious to take a look at it.
08:37First, let our home audience see what your famous name is.
08:41Applause
08:48Well now, that is our guest's famous name, friends.
08:50Suppose we see how good our panel is at figuring it out.
08:53Meredith Wilson, you did so well on the last one.
08:55Suppose we start off with you. You have 10 questions to work on.
08:57Oh, thank you. I'd be happy to. Good evening, sir.
08:59How do you do?
09:00Are you living?
09:02No.
09:03No.
09:04Did you ever live?
09:05Yes.
09:07Uh-huh.
09:08Were you an American?
09:09No.
09:12Did you die in this century?
09:14No.
09:17Six questions left, Meredith.
09:19Jerry, I think that's a very fine way to start. I'm going to pass to you, sir.
09:22All right, Jeremiah, you can have the next 10 questions.
09:25Jeremiah?
09:26Yes.
09:27I feel so biblical tonight.
09:29Let's see. Are you English?
09:31No.
09:32Uh-huh.
09:33Well, I think... Wait just a moment, Jerry. I think we'll have to reconsider that.
09:39Yes.
09:40The answer to that is yes, Jerry.
09:42We don't charge another question for that.
09:44He is English.
09:45He is English.
09:46Yes.
09:48Are you in the arts?
09:49No.
09:51Are you in politics?
09:53No.
09:54I pass.
09:55Were you connected in any way with science?
09:58What?
09:59Science.
10:00No.
10:01Were you connected with sports?
10:03No.
10:04Were you a journalist?
10:06No.
10:07Seven questions.
10:08I pass.
10:09Meredith?
10:10Were you royalty?
10:12What?
10:13Were you royalty?
10:14No.
10:15I pass.
10:16Back to you, Jeremiah.
10:18Were you an industrialist?
10:21No.
10:22I pass.
10:24Joan, you have seven questions.
10:26Oh, you're both swell, I must say.
10:28Thanks a lot.
10:29Were you by any chance notorious in any way?
10:33Well, yes.
10:35You were notorious?
10:36As opposed to being famous, yes.
10:38As opposed to being famous. Thank you, Conrad. Gee, we don't usually get that much help.
10:43Were you...
10:46And what was I going to say?
10:47I was so busy complimenting Conrad that it went right out of my head.
10:50Notorious as opposed to being famous.
10:53Were you considered a bad character as opposed to a good one?
10:57Yes.
10:58You were?
11:00Did you die in the 19th century?
11:04No.
11:05Was it before the 19th century?
11:07Yes.
11:08Four questions left, Joan.
11:09Before the 19th century.
11:10Three questions left.
11:12Did you have any kind of title?
11:15Yes.
11:16You had a title of some kind.
11:19I'll pass.
11:21Meredith, you have five questions to work with.
11:24Did you live in America at any time?
11:26Yes.
11:27Did you perform your evil, nasty deeds over here?
11:32No.
11:33Did you spend any time in the Who's Gown?
11:36Yes.
11:38Were you a pirate?
11:40Yes.
11:41And you have one question left, Meredith.
11:42Well, just the only one I know is Henry Morgan.
11:45No, that is incorrect, Meredith.
11:47You are out.
11:48Jerry, you have six questions to work with.
11:49Henry Morgan?
11:51No, he's on radio.
11:54And living.
11:55Let's see.
11:57You were an Englishman?
11:58A pirate.
11:59A pirate.
12:00I understand.
12:02Captain Kidd?
12:03Captain Kidd.
12:04That is correct.
12:07And our congratulations.
12:12Many men tried to capture Captain Kidd, Jerry.
12:14You have that honor.
12:15Well, you see, I'm really pretty smart.
12:18I'm just not a pretty face.
12:20I see.
12:21Well, I wish you could find Captain Kidd's treasure.
12:24But Captain Kidd, it's been wonderful having you with us.
12:26You can go over and collect checks from two of our contestants.
12:29And thank you to the makers of Johnson's Wax
12:31for playing the name for us.
12:34Captain Kidd.
12:39How you feel, Cap?
12:43I think Jerry was trying to find out where Captain Kidd had his treasure buried.
12:46Everybody's been looking for that, Jerry.
12:48Did you find out?
12:49Yeah.
12:50Good.
12:51American Airlines.
12:53Well, friends, now we come to the I'd like to be portion of our show.
12:57Let's go to the I'd like to be section.
12:59Well, friends, now we come to the I'd like to be portion of our show.
13:04And this is a great thrill for our audience here and at home, and especially for me,
13:07because our guest tonight is the lovely Miss Denise Darcelle.
13:11Miss Darcelle, would you stand up?
13:13-♪
13:23Well, I would say things are looking up on the show tonight.
13:26I'm sure that if Robert Q. Lewis is looking in, he is envious of me at this very moment.
13:31Miss Darcelle, what brings you to New York at this particular time?
13:35Well, I was just in a meet-and-greet show, you know.
13:38I came for this, and then I am going to be at the Cotillon Room at the Pierre Hotel in May 5th.
13:47How soon?
13:48The May 5th.
13:49Oh, May 5th.
13:50Well, that's fine.
13:51Well, I want our panel to go to work on this problem.
13:53My picture is coming out soon, in May, too.
13:57Oh, you have a picture coming out?
13:58I have two of them.
13:59As one of your fans, when is that to be released, Miss Darcelle?
14:04Around May or June.
14:05It's dangerous when wet.
14:09Dangerous when wet, did you say?
14:12Yes.
14:14Sounds like a promising title.
14:16Now, before the program started, ladies and gentlemen,
14:18Miss Darcelle told me the person that she would most like to be if she were not herself.
14:23It's rather difficult to imagine how you could improve on Denise Darcelle.
14:26However, it was all in fun.
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15:28Well, I see we're back on again, Ms. Darcell.
15:31It's easy for our home audience to understand how I can be a little disconcerted here,
15:35forget that we have an audience.
15:37But suppose our panel tries to find out who Ms. Darcell would most like to be.
15:42But before we do that, I'd like our home audience to see the name of this first famous person.
15:47All right, now, finally, we play the game just the same as we did before.
15:59And the loser's checks will go to Ms. Darcell's favorite charity.
16:03I think that Joan Alexander might be a good idea to start this off with, Joan.
16:07Uh, this person you'd like to be, Ms. Darcell, is it she?
16:10No.
16:11No?
16:12No.
16:13Uh, is it a he?
16:18It could be an animal or an it.
16:21Um, is he an actor?
16:24Yes.
16:25Is he a leading man?
16:27Uh, yes.
16:29Well, I pass.
16:30Um, Ms. Alexander passes.
16:32Meredith, you have 10 questions to work with.
16:35Hi, Denise.
16:37Hello, how are you?
16:37Is this, uh, is this person an American?
16:40Yes.
16:42Is this a cow person?
16:45A what person?
16:46A cow person.
16:47A cow person?
16:49A cow person rides around on horseback.
16:54I did not.
16:56She says no, Meredith.
17:01Uh, not a cow person.
17:03I'll pass.
17:04Jerry.
17:04Jerry, 10 questions to work with.
17:07Between the French dialogue and the fact that she wants to be a man, I'm really...
17:12Let's see now, uh, we have a, uh, you look just enchanting tonight.
17:16Thank you very much.
17:17Jerry, keep to the questions.
17:20Yeah, I guess so.
17:21Easy for him to say, he's sitting over there right next to her.
17:24I don't need any help with this type dialogue.
17:27Now then, this gentleman is a star.
17:29Yes.
17:30He's in pictures.
17:31Yes.
17:32Does he, uh, is he primarily a dramatic actor?
17:36No.
17:37Is he, uh, is he a dancer?
17:41Yes.
17:42Uh, uh, has it been established that he's an American?
17:47Yes.
17:49Does he sing too?
17:50Yes.
17:52Sings and dances and he's an actor.
17:54Has he ever been on the New York stage?
17:57Yes.
17:59Yes.
18:00He's a wild cat, this man.
18:03Is, uh, has he, is he at the present time in America?
18:07Yes.
18:08Five questions, Jerry.
18:10Uh, uh, uh, uh, did he ever have a partner in dancing?
18:16No.
18:17Four questions left, Jerry.
18:19I pass.
18:20Joan, you have seven questions.
18:20Is he a comedian?
18:21Yes.
18:22Uh, and you say he is not part of a team?
18:25No.
18:26There was a terrorist.
18:27Um, does he have any particular distinguishing physical characteristics?
18:32Distinguish?
18:34I would say no.
18:36By no?
18:37No.
18:38No, not particularly.
18:39Is he very handsome?
18:40No, I think so.
18:42You think he's very handsome?
18:42Yes.
18:44Four questions left, Joan.
18:45Is he young?
18:46By yes.
18:48Uh, very young?
18:49By in the middle.
18:51Uh, sort of in the middle?
18:52In the middle.
18:53Uh, in the middle.
18:54He's young in the middle.
18:55Well, that's where it's good to be young, in the middle.
19:02You got a lot of information for one question there, Joan.
19:04You have three questions left.
19:05Yes, and I'm going to pass.
19:07All right, Meredith, you have eight questions to work with.
19:10Uh, is there anything about this, uh, in the distribution of, uh, of, uh,
19:16oh, her suit adornment with his maybe a mustache or, or hair in any way
19:22that is outstanding in this chap?
19:24No, no.
19:25I don't think so.
19:25Not outstanding?
19:26No, Meredith.
19:27No outstanding.
19:29Does he have a, an outstanding smoking habit?
19:32Like a cigar, possibly?
19:35No.
19:35No, nothing like that.
19:37Six questions left, Meredith.
19:38Is this a very good looking fellow?
19:40Well, uh, how shall I say?
19:43By, to me, he's, I mean, it's depending the taste, you know.
19:47It's depending.
19:48It could be very good looking, but he's not the handsomest thing in the world, but, uh,
19:53Shall we say attractive?
19:54He's attractive.
19:55Very attractive.
19:55Well, would he, would he be apt to, uh, to appear to advantage in a, uh,
20:01would he be apt to appear to advantage in a leopard skin?
20:07I will not say to it.
20:08I don't know, but I think so.
20:10Why not?
20:11Yes, he could.
20:12He could.
20:13Doesn't everybody?
20:16Well, I don't know.
20:17Not too well.
20:18No, no, no, no.
20:19Not too well?
20:20No, no, no.
20:20I pass.
20:21Is he, Jerry, we're running a little short of time.
20:23Is he very thin?
20:25Well, not too thin.
20:27In the middle.
20:28There we go, yeah.
20:29Is he thin in the middle?
20:32Three questions left, Jerry.
20:33All right, I gotta take a pot shot.
20:35He sings, dances, he's a comedian, and he gets the girl too.
20:39Uh, sometimes.
20:40Sometimes.
20:41Uh, Ray Bolger?
20:42Not always, no.
20:43Ray Bolger?
20:44No, not Ray Bolger.
20:45You have two questions left, Jerry.
20:46Fred Astaire?
20:47Our time is just about up.
20:48Do you want to take a quick, uh, guess, Joan?
20:51Uh, Mickey Rooney.
20:53No, I'm going to give you one quick chance.
20:55Our time is up.
20:56I pass.
20:56Uh, Danny Kaye.
20:57Oh!
20:58Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Astaire.
21:00I did it!
21:02Congratulations to you.
21:03You win sets from all three of them.
21:06I did it!
21:07Thank you for the makers of Johnson's Wax,
21:09which I'm going to send you to collect.
21:27And now, ladies and gentlemen,
21:28we'll go to our next guest with a famous name.
21:30Will you come in, please?
21:33How do you do?
21:34Will you sit down, please?
21:36My name is Conrad Nagel.
21:37I don't want you to tell me your name,
21:39but I might give it away.
21:40Uh, where are you from, please?
21:42The Bronx.
21:43From the Bronx.
21:44And what is your occupation?
21:45Housewife.
21:46Housewife.
21:47Now, suppose we let our audience see
21:49what your famous name is
21:50before we go ahead with the game.
21:56Now, we know that is your name
21:58because our legal experts have checked its authenticity.
22:01Now, let's let our panel go to work on you.
22:03You remember how we play the game, panel,
22:04and this name is the name of a thing.
22:08And we'll start off with Joan Alexander.
22:10A thing.
22:11Is this a useful thing?
22:16Yes.
22:18Does every woman have one of these?
22:23No.
22:25Well, would the average woman like to have one of these?
22:29Yes.
22:31Is the style or appearance of these things important?
22:37Yes.
22:37Yes.
22:39Six questions left, Joan.
22:41Are these things pleasant to the touch?
22:47Yes.
22:48Yes.
22:50Miss X says yes.
22:54Five questions she views, Joan.
22:56Are some of these very worthwhile
22:58while others are sort of cheap imitations?
23:06Yes.
23:09Well, if it's what I'm thinking of,
23:12could you, would one of these
23:14keep a woman warm during a cold winter?
23:18Yes.
23:19Yes?
23:21Well, then, is it something that a woman would,
23:24would, you know, when she wasn't wearing it,
23:26put in cold storage?
23:29No.
23:30I don't think so, Joan.
23:32You have two questions left.
23:35You pass to Meredith Wilson with 10 questions.
23:37Well, I have just a thought here
23:39with all the screaming and going on.
23:41Was this thing in any time living?
23:45Yes.
23:45It was.
23:47Well, does it belong to the animal kingdom?
23:50Yes.
23:52Animal.
23:53Do you often find these on the farm?
23:57Yes.
23:59Are they also found at every racetrack?
24:02Yes.
24:05Are these used in polo games?
24:07Yes.
24:12Well, now,
24:17would, uh, do some society women
24:19maintain a whole string of these?
24:23Sometimes.
24:24Um,
24:25um, very rarely,
24:28but, uh, it has been, uh, done, uh,
24:33Meredith, yes.
24:35We have three minutes left.
24:35You would say yes?
24:37Yes.
24:38We'll give you a qualified yes.
24:39Well, I have to,
24:40I have to proceed along this same line.
24:42Uh, when one breaks a leg,
24:45you have to shoot it?
24:50Definitely not.
24:51No.
24:52No.
24:53Three questions left, Meredith.
24:54I'll husband them and pass to Mr. Lester.
24:57Mr. Lester, you have 10 questions to work on.
25:00I don't think it's enough.
25:03Is, uh, is this thing living?
25:05Yes.
25:07Is it, is it a, uh, it's a living animal?
25:11I think we established that, Jerry.
25:12We won't charge you for that question.
25:14All right.
25:15Is it, uh, is it a, uh, small animal
25:17in as much as you can hold it?
25:21Um, at times, yes.
25:24At times, you could hold it.
25:27Oh.
25:27Has it, you could hold it at times?
25:29Yes.
25:30Is it a domesticated animal?
25:32Um, as a rule, as a rule, but not always, Jerry.
25:38Would you have it as a pet?
25:42Uh, I think, uh, sometimes.
25:44Sometimes.
25:45Not as a rule.
25:47Well, uh, would it have a function on a farm?
25:52Definitely.
25:52It would.
25:53Yes.
25:54Five questions left, Jerry.
25:55I'll pass.
25:57Uh, Joan, you have two questions left.
25:58Well, you said, uh, at times it was small.
26:01Now, did you mean by that that maybe at times
26:03it could be a baby?
26:05Yes.
26:06So when it's grown up, isn't that mean?
26:08You have one question left.
26:09Look at that.
26:09I mean, really.
26:10No, you keep talking, they flip the bird.
26:14Well, just take a long shot.
26:15A man?
26:17A man.
26:18I think we'd have to give it to you on that, Joan.
26:20It is a male.
26:22The lady's name is a male.
26:23A male.
26:24Oh, wonderful.
26:26And I'd like to ask, I'd like to ask Mrs. Mayo.
26:30I don't think I get it, though.
26:31I really haven't had a chance.
26:33What the name stands for?
26:35What the name A stands for?
26:37Anna.
26:38Anna?
26:39Anna Mayo.
26:40Mayo.
26:41Well, you all did very good work on that.
26:43Let's see.
26:43You're going to collect checks from Meredith Wilson.
26:45I think I'll have to pay it.
26:47From Jerry Lester.
26:49Do you have to pay that, Joan?
26:50Well, I didn't really guess the real name.
26:52Well, you got a man.
26:54That was close enough, I think.
26:55Yes, she did.
26:56Well, I suppose you go over and collect those checks.
26:59And thank you very much to the makers of Johnson's Wax
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27:21Now, the panel and I will be back in just a moment.
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27:43Oh, you don't do that?
27:44No.
27:44Can I pay my bill online?
27:46You don't do that either?
27:47No, sorry, I can't do that.
27:48You don't do that?
27:49Okay, so what do you do?
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28:09Well, that's a good suggestion to try on the cook's night out, friends.
28:11Well, now, I suppose we have a little accounting from our panel,
28:15just to see how we did.
28:16Meredith Wilson, will you please report?
28:18Well, I certainly will, Conrad.
28:20Before I do, however, sir, may I say as one Iowa boy to another
28:24that you were just charming tonight on the show.
28:28It's been a great, great pleasure.
28:30Hi there, I wanted to say hello.
28:31Meredith Wilson.
28:35I must confess to having lost $75.
28:38It was certainly worth it to see Denise Darcelle again.
28:40Say nothing to the other charming folks.
28:42Good night.
28:43Joan Alexander?
28:45I lost $100 because I was a little stupid in the middle.
28:48Good night, everybody.
28:52And now, Goldie Lester.
28:53Well, I lost $75, and to make up to sort of reimburse myself,
28:58I'm going to open April 13th in Pittsburgh at the Carousel Cafe.
29:03Well, it's good to be there to see you, Jack.
29:04Thank you, panel.
29:05You were great, and good night to all.
29:12And good night, ladies and gentlemen, from the makers of Johnson's Wax.
29:15Our good friend Robert Q. Lewis will be back again next week
29:17on The Name's the Same, which will be brought to you again next week
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29:22Thanks, Ann.
29:26The Name's the Same has been a Mark Goodson, Bill Todman production.
29:30Associate producer, Peter Arnell.
29:33Directed by Herbert Hirschman.
29:36Technical director, John Broderick.
29:38Miss Alexander's gown by Dana Madison Avenue.
29:42This is Lee Vine, speaking for the makers of Johnson's Wax.
29:45Reminding you to tune in each and every week at the same time for The Name's the Same.