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00:01:00We welcome you to the Aspect program on the debate around the book
00:01:20Back to the hands of Didier Eribon with the participation of the author.
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00:02:29We enter the vision.
00:02:34Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Aspect program.
00:02:37Good evening. I also welcome you warmly.
00:02:43Our program is about asking questions.
00:02:47Well, today in the program, the great thinker, the star of the intellectual left,
00:02:52Alain Delon of rhetoric, Maradona of sociology, Mike Tyson of modern philosophy.
00:02:59Didier Eribon, who probably does not need to be introduced to anyone.
00:03:05Behind the scenes, he admitted to us that he is a little afraid.
00:03:11But calm down, professor, it's not a teletournament.
00:03:14Only the hearts of our viewers and our viewers are to be won.
00:03:17Didier Eribon, welcome.
00:03:29Professor, honor.
00:03:31Thank you very much.
00:03:36I'm a big fan.
00:03:40Well.
00:03:47Let's remind him, maybe he, him.
00:03:53She, her.
00:03:54Yes, yes.
00:03:56Great.
00:03:58Maybe right away. What is our program about?
00:04:00Our program is often about asking uncomfortable questions.
00:04:06Is the professor ready for uncomfortable questions?
00:04:11And you for uncomfortable answers?
00:04:13And this is called enthusiasm.
00:04:16This is called the heart of the spirit.
00:04:18The heart of the spirit, the fight of the hearts, the fight of the black dogs.
00:04:21My friend, of course, quotes Coltess.
00:04:23Coltess, of course.
00:04:24Professor, because we just revealed that the professor was a little stressed.
00:04:29Is the professor still stressed?
00:04:32Of course, a little.
00:04:33There is nothing to stress about.
00:04:35But there is absolutely nothing to stress about.
00:04:37We are here to talk.
00:04:40Our today's program is about your famous book,
00:04:43The Return to Reims.
00:04:45A book in which you deal with your difficult childhood,
00:04:49with your scorned youth, with your, quoting Bourdieu,
00:04:52torn habitus.
00:04:54You tell in this book about a confrontation with a place and people
00:04:58from which you decided to escape.
00:05:00You deal with the topic of returning to your hometown,
00:05:03returning to the vicinity of Reims and trying to answer
00:05:06how far you actually managed to escape from there.
00:05:09I have such an observation, such a thought.
00:05:12Your book, The Return to Reims,
00:05:14resonated particularly strongly in Polish society,
00:05:17among Polish readers,
00:05:19because a huge part of people
00:05:21who have the right cultural capital,
00:05:23the right tools for reading
00:05:26have very similar experiences.
00:05:29A very similar kind of dilemmas.
00:05:31A very similar sense of separation.
00:05:34I just want to emphasize
00:05:36that the professor understood our Polish context well.
00:05:39A little bit, however, different from French,
00:05:41it must be said.
00:05:43Naturally.
00:05:44Yes, so yes.
00:05:45We live in a country where a lot of people
00:05:47are students, intellectual workers,
00:05:49or artists only in the first generation.
00:05:52It led to social and economic advancement,
00:05:56but only in a symbolic order.
00:05:58In a symbolic, intellectual way,
00:06:00leaving behind...
00:06:05Something.
00:06:06Something.
00:06:08And it seems to me that this is exactly
00:06:10what your book is about in a private sense.
00:06:13Yes.
00:06:14Yes, because I also think
00:06:16that it is about exclusion.
00:06:19Yes.
00:06:20And it's not just about social exclusion,
00:06:22because it's not just about class.
00:06:24This is political identity,
00:06:26this is cultural identity,
00:06:27this is economic identity,
00:06:29sexual identity.
00:06:31Your identity as a professor of sociology
00:06:34and a homosexual,
00:06:36when you go back to your family side
00:06:38and your identity as a son of workers
00:06:41and an escapee,
00:06:42when you sit in those Parisian lounges.
00:06:45In other words, this is a book about identity.
00:06:48Without a doubt.
00:06:49Exactly.
00:06:50Exactly.
00:06:51Yes.
00:06:52And we can immediately see
00:06:56how many fascinating content there is in it.
00:06:58What are the tropes,
00:06:59what are the contexts,
00:07:00what is the charade,
00:07:01the Chinese puzzle,
00:07:03what is the vast ocean,
00:07:05the unlimited universe.
00:07:07I would call it a bit more modest.
00:07:09Yes, because your professor is modest.
00:07:11Yes.
00:07:12And this is what I would like to ask you about.
00:07:17About...
00:07:18About...
00:07:20About...
00:07:22the title of one modest sentence.
00:07:27What is it about?
00:07:28What is the return to Hens?
00:07:31One.
00:07:32Yes.
00:07:33Modest.
00:07:34Yes.
00:07:35For you as the author
00:07:37and for us as readers.
00:07:40Of course.
00:07:41Because ultimately we make the diagnosis.
00:07:44We talk in our bubble,
00:07:46in our environment.
00:07:47We read it.
00:07:48It is passed on through a certain cultural field,
00:07:51through certain clichés.
00:07:52It is some kind of intellectual reserve.
00:07:55But the professor himself understands it best.
00:07:58One modest sentence.
00:08:01What is the return to Hens?
00:08:04Is it possible or not?
00:08:05I was afraid, editors,
00:08:06that it was probably not possible.
00:08:08Actually, that's what I would like to ask.
00:08:10But let's try.
00:08:11Yes.
00:08:12One modest sentence.
00:08:14In my opinion,
00:08:15this is a book about a confrontation
00:08:18with the place that remained in me.
00:08:21One modest sentence.
00:08:25May I?
00:08:27Well, my family home,
00:08:29this sacramental Hens,
00:08:31has always been a source of shame for me.
00:08:33A place I ran away from,
00:08:35to which, God forbid, I did not want to return.
00:08:37I am very glad that the professor mentions it,
00:08:39because you wrote something like this,
00:08:42that as soon as you disappeared from home,
00:08:47you began to take the journey to him into account,
00:08:50or rather the process of return,
00:08:53which you ultimately never managed to gain,
00:08:56to find your province,
00:08:58from which the professor ran away anyway,
00:09:01your social space,
00:09:03which the professor moved away from himself
00:09:05and his mental space,
00:09:06against which he built his whole personality,
00:09:09but which today is part of your self.
00:09:11You know, you call it better than I do.
00:09:14I just wanted to say that
00:09:16I had prepared exactly the same fragment by accident.
00:09:22I'm not mad about it.
00:09:23No, no, no, no.
00:09:24On the contrary, you know,
00:09:25I'm glad you're quoting me.
00:09:27Anyway, without a doubt.
00:09:28To be honest,
00:09:29I don't remember well the return to Rensselaer,
00:09:31because I read it a long time ago,
00:09:33and I wrote it a long time ago.
00:09:35That's very nice.
00:09:36Maybe I'll let myself ask now.
00:09:39Yes.
00:09:42Yes.
00:09:44In fact, maybe I'll let myself say
00:09:47that perhaps our programme
00:09:51should be a kind of guide for our audience.
00:09:59How to escape from Rensselaer,
00:10:01how not to return to it.
00:10:04A guide to escape in five simple steps.
00:10:08A guide to escape in five simple steps.
00:10:12If they were so simple,
00:10:14maybe I wouldn't be writing a long book.
00:10:17But sometimes you have to go around
00:10:19to find the right path, right?
00:10:22Well, the professor paved the way for us.
00:10:25You did the synthesis.
00:10:27And if someone is already sitting here with us,
00:10:29watching our programme,
00:10:30he has already escaped from Rensselaer,
00:10:31he has already got out of it.
00:10:32Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
00:10:33but the professor also once found
00:10:35the light in the tunnel.
00:10:37The professor found Bach, Marx,
00:10:39Marcus Aurelius.
00:10:40That's how it started for the professor.
00:10:42Yes, the professor is a perfect example
00:10:44of how high culture survives.
00:10:47It used to be exclusive,
00:10:49and now, of course, it includes.
00:10:51It is excluded to exclude.
00:10:53It excludes me,
00:10:54and that's how it is,
00:10:56Mr. Professor.
00:10:59Because here we create
00:11:01a kind of space.
00:11:03A space of speech.
00:11:05And all these poor people
00:11:06in these small towns,
00:11:08everyone who listens to us,
00:11:10we talk to them,
00:11:11we look at them and say,
00:11:13you too can get out.
00:11:15Unfortunately, the system is the problem.
00:11:18The system is not the problem.
00:11:20The lack of a system is a problem.
00:11:22An incompetent system is a problem.
00:11:24The system must be competent.
00:11:27Well.
00:11:31Let's get back to the question.
00:11:33How to escape from Rens?
00:11:35Fortunately, we are not in it.
00:11:37Fortunately, we are not.
00:11:39This is a book about how to get back.
00:11:41Yes, yes, and maybe about that in a moment.
00:11:43This is a book about how to get back.
00:11:45You see, this is a book about the moment of confrontation,
00:11:48because in my case,
00:11:50the whole, one might say,
00:11:52sacramental Rens
00:11:54was in my body,
00:11:56in my mind, in my habits.
00:11:57I didn't run away from it.
00:11:58Although it's a consciousness
00:11:59that I've been erasing for a very long time.
00:12:01Yes, and maybe let's get back to the question.
00:12:03I repeat again,
00:12:04this is a book about how to get back.
00:12:07Yes, but Professor,
00:12:08we would like to know how to escape.
00:12:10Well, to get back,
00:12:11you have to escape first, of course.
00:12:13Yes, you have to get out.
00:12:14Let's go through the reading.
00:12:15The Professor has read a lot.
00:12:17Mark Strocki, Bourdieu, Barth, Sarderida, Foucault, Deleuze.
00:12:20Professor, I thought about it,
00:12:21but I thought about it first.
00:12:23I've read, Professor,
00:12:24because I, for example, read a lot.
00:12:26And in Rens you don't read,
00:12:27and I read before the programme,
00:12:29after the programme,
00:12:30sometimes even during the programme
00:12:31I read something.
00:12:32So when I read,
00:12:34I am what I read.
00:12:36I am where I read.
00:12:37I am what I read
00:12:39precisely because I read.
00:12:40So I'm not in Rens.
00:12:42I am exactly where I am
00:12:44because I read.
00:12:47And you?
00:12:49Before I answer,
00:12:50can I ask a question?
00:12:51Of course.
00:12:52I'm expanding the scope of the programme.
00:12:54But I can.
00:12:55Please, please, please.
00:12:57When you read
00:12:58The Return of Dorens Libon,
00:12:59which is, of course, about Dorens' return,
00:13:01and when you read,
00:13:02you are what you read
00:13:03and about what you read,
00:13:05are you in Rens or not?
00:13:11Only out of empathy.
00:13:12That's what I thought.
00:13:13I haven't finished yet.
00:13:14Maybe I'll ask now.
00:13:16Yes?
00:13:18Does the Professor still read?
00:13:20Oh, that's a great question.
00:13:21Of course, I try,
00:13:22like everyone sitting here,
00:13:23I try to read often and constantly,
00:13:25but conferences, lectures,
00:13:27speeches, speeches,
00:13:29TV interviews,
00:13:31constantly,
00:13:32without false modesty,
00:13:33I say it,
00:13:34constantly invited,
00:13:35constantly asked about something
00:13:36and the result is that
00:13:37I read less and less,
00:13:38and I speak more and more.
00:13:40I live less and more,
00:13:41I speak more and more.
00:13:42What I read,
00:13:43I pronounce.
00:13:44What I do,
00:13:45I speak.
00:13:46Well, you could say
00:13:47that I speak a lot.
00:13:49I say, I really speak,
00:13:50I speak and I speak.
00:13:51And here you can ask the question,
00:13:53what am I doing?
00:13:56And where did you read?
00:13:58Oh, so where do you quote from?
00:14:01No, I don't quote,
00:14:02I just speak from my head.
00:14:03Wow.
00:14:04It's interesting,
00:14:05it's original.
00:14:06We'll have to write it down.
00:14:07We'll be able to call each other.
00:14:09Yes, the index of quotes will increase.
00:14:11You speak so beautifully.
00:14:14We're all listening to you here.
00:14:17We listen to each other,
00:14:18because, of course,
00:14:19we are connected by the university.
00:14:20Great, perfect,
00:14:21because of the university.
00:14:22Aniel, exactly,
00:14:23please see,
00:14:24because of the university.
00:14:25Because of the university.
00:14:26Since you finished it,
00:14:27it means you can speak.
00:14:29It means the road was open.
00:14:30The road was closed.
00:14:31Professor,
00:14:32the road was open.
00:14:33This is a path for everyone,
00:14:34anyone can take it.
00:14:36Please think,
00:14:38some people start from the 11th floor.
00:14:41Well,
00:14:42unless they live on the block.
00:14:44Yes,
00:14:45they go on the 12th elevator.
00:14:47Exactly,
00:14:48the elevator,
00:14:49the virtue of technology.
00:14:50Yes, on the 12th elevator,
00:14:51and others,
00:14:52sir,
00:14:53from the ground floor.
00:14:54And they don't have an elevator.
00:14:55Of course they don't have an elevator.
00:14:56Elevators are probably everywhere now.
00:14:57No, they don't.
00:14:58That's what it looks like, unfortunately.
00:14:59That's why I always said,
00:15:00ground floor houses.
00:15:02And I started from the ground floor.
00:15:06I had to climb the stairs on foot
00:15:08to the so-called top.
00:15:10Yes, ground floor,
00:15:11preferably with a friendly garden.
00:15:13At the very top.
00:15:14And this is what my book is about
00:15:16Yes,
00:15:17and that in our system
00:15:19everyone has a chance to go up.
00:15:21Well, not really, editors,
00:15:22not really.
00:15:28Tired of being on the ground floor?
00:15:33You don't have more strength
00:15:34for constant effort?
00:15:39Caring for a person like you?
00:15:47Caring for a person with higher requirements,
00:15:49we have prepared our luxury apartments
00:15:51on the highest level.
00:15:56Literally and in the lift.
00:16:06100-meter studio-type apartments
00:16:08located on the last floors
00:16:09of exclusive skyscrapers.
00:16:13We know you would like to be there.
00:16:16That you would have
00:16:17the right space for yourself.
00:16:20After all, as many places
00:16:21as you need.
00:16:23We know you miss it.
00:16:27Dare to dream.
00:16:33Just change your apartment.
00:16:36Thanks to us for everything
00:16:37you look from the right perspective.
00:16:39Take care of the right space for yourself.
00:16:43Call us.
00:16:52Welcome after the break.
00:16:55Yes, after the break
00:16:56we have with us
00:16:57none other than
00:16:58Professor Eribon.
00:16:59Professor.
00:17:00I am, I am.
00:17:01Jokes aside.
00:17:02Professor,
00:17:03we decided today
00:17:05to talk about the exclusion problem.
00:17:07I have been dealing with
00:17:08the exclusion problem all my life.
00:17:10Yes, we all here
00:17:11have been dealing with
00:17:12the exclusion problem all our lives.
00:17:15And I am glad
00:17:16that we will be able
00:17:17to talk about it together.
00:17:18And I am glad
00:17:19that we will be able
00:17:20to talk about it together.
00:17:22Because we all here
00:17:23have been dealing with
00:17:24the exclusion problem
00:17:25all our lives.
00:17:27That is why we are so interested
00:17:29in what is so special
00:17:31in the perspective
00:17:32of the professor.
00:17:34The professor's book
00:17:35was an incredible success.
00:17:37It has been translated
00:17:38into millions of languages.
00:17:39It is read both by academics
00:17:41and by ordinary people.
00:17:43And it should be noted
00:17:44that the division
00:17:45that our colleague
00:17:46just made
00:17:47is a bit classist.
00:17:49Coming back to my book,
00:17:50I also write about it
00:17:51in my book.
00:17:52Yes, of course.
00:17:53I just wanted to point out
00:17:54that it was such
00:17:55a spectacular success
00:17:57because it broke through
00:17:58some kind of discourse.
00:17:59Yes, that's true.
00:18:00It broke through
00:18:01some kind of
00:18:02hermeneutic discourse
00:18:03generating
00:18:04a thesauric surplus
00:18:05in relation to
00:18:06the discussed
00:18:07characteristic content
00:18:08of the systematically
00:18:09excluding
00:18:10semantic order
00:18:11of university discourses
00:18:12that are part of
00:18:13a self-reproducing system.
00:18:15And you know,
00:18:16I wanted to share
00:18:17my experience.
00:18:18Oh, that's right.
00:18:19So this personal element,
00:18:21he is very strong there.
00:18:22I had the impression,
00:18:23above all,
00:18:24Professor,
00:18:25reading
00:18:26The Return of Dorens,
00:18:27that there is
00:18:28such an extraordinary force
00:18:29in the professor.
00:18:30An extraordinary determination
00:18:32to tell
00:18:33about his story,
00:18:34to fight for
00:18:35space
00:18:36to tell it,
00:18:37not to let
00:18:38his voice be heard,
00:18:39to constitute
00:18:40his own subjectivity,
00:18:41which is often
00:18:42not easy
00:18:43when this voice
00:18:44is constantly
00:18:45received by us,
00:18:46or also
00:18:47in the case of some
00:18:48when it is not
00:18:49given to us at all.
00:18:50Because in the light
00:18:51of what the professor writes,
00:18:52it seems to me
00:18:53to be extremely
00:18:54symptomatic
00:18:55that representatives
00:18:56of certain communities
00:18:57are not allowed
00:18:58at all
00:18:59to speak
00:19:00until they
00:19:01are at the top,
00:19:02until they
00:19:03constitute
00:19:04themselves
00:19:05as academics.
00:19:06In this sense,
00:19:07of course,
00:19:08they are invited
00:19:09to various meetings,
00:19:10to various programs,
00:19:11but as a
00:19:12legitimization
00:19:13to deal with
00:19:14certain problems.
00:19:15However,
00:19:16there is a bit
00:19:17that their discourse
00:19:18is still
00:19:19captured.
00:19:20Just like your discourse
00:19:21was probably
00:19:22captured many times.
00:19:23You had to
00:19:24bear shame.
00:19:25You had to
00:19:26bear humiliation.
00:19:27You were not allowed
00:19:28to speak
00:19:29until you
00:19:30were at the top.
00:19:31That's why
00:19:32the professor
00:19:33understands it so well
00:19:34that it is difficult
00:19:35for such a person
00:19:36to break through
00:19:37with his story,
00:19:38clean,
00:19:39with his
00:19:40eccentric voice
00:19:41of truth
00:19:42towards
00:19:43such a person
00:19:44around him.
00:19:45Exactly.
00:19:46The REJ logo.
00:19:47I just wanted to say
00:19:48how much
00:19:49I was moved
00:19:50by the story
00:19:51about how many
00:19:52attempts
00:19:53the professor
00:19:54made
00:19:55to finally
00:19:56be able
00:19:57to say something.
00:19:58That they often
00:19:59looked at the professor
00:20:00as someone
00:20:01unlawful,
00:20:02as someone
00:20:03suspicious.
00:20:04That in this sense
00:20:05there was always
00:20:06an excuse
00:20:07not to allow
00:20:08or maybe
00:20:09not to listen
00:20:10to certain truths.
00:20:11Or maybe
00:20:12it's just
00:20:13a result
00:20:14of the professor's
00:20:15inability
00:20:16to thank.
00:20:17Some kind of
00:20:18innate lack
00:20:19of skill,
00:20:20such helplessness
00:20:21which often
00:20:22accompanies
00:20:23people
00:20:24from lower classes,
00:20:25systematically
00:20:26educated,
00:20:27subordinated.
00:20:28But the professor
00:20:29broke through
00:20:30this impasse
00:20:31and now
00:20:32the professor
00:20:33has the energy
00:20:34to speak to us
00:20:35and has the time
00:20:36and the strength
00:20:37to speak to us
00:20:38and speaks to us
00:20:39with a voice
00:20:40echoing
00:20:41like a bell.
00:20:42And he speaks
00:20:43and speaks
00:20:44and we listen to him
00:20:45with interest,
00:20:46with attention
00:20:47and maybe
00:20:48this is
00:20:49the greatest
00:20:50success
00:20:51of your books.
00:20:52Right?
00:20:53Maybe.
00:21:00Yes.
00:21:01And Mr. Professor,
00:21:04how did it happen?
00:21:06With what?
00:21:07With this book.
00:21:11What do you mean?
00:21:13What does the title mean?
00:21:14What does the title mean?
00:21:15Oh, the title.
00:21:16Yes.
00:21:17Well, I've decided
00:21:18to call my book
00:21:19The Return of Dorens.
00:21:20Yes.
00:21:21It's extremely intriguing.
00:21:22Yes?
00:21:23Yes, yes.
00:21:24Because I've always
00:21:25read your book
00:21:26in a different way.
00:21:27Oh, yes.
00:21:28Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:21:29I read it
00:21:30as a return
00:21:31to Dorens.
00:21:32Dorens.
00:21:33Dorens.
00:21:34Dorens.
00:21:35Return to Dorens.
00:21:36Dorens.
00:21:37Dorens.
00:21:38Dorens.
00:21:39Return to Dorens.
00:21:40And you mean
00:21:41the pronunciation
00:21:42of the name of the city?
00:21:43Yes, yes,
00:21:44and this is very funny
00:21:45because all my life
00:21:46I've always been used
00:21:47to talk about that city
00:21:48as Dorens.
00:21:49Oh, yes, yes, yes.
00:21:50Yes, actually
00:21:51my friend
00:21:52used to talk
00:21:53about a big city.
00:21:54No, no, no.
00:21:55We lived in the suburbs
00:21:56of Dorens.
00:21:57Yes.
00:21:58I also said
00:21:59the name of the city.
00:22:00Let's make a deal,
00:22:01Dorens.
00:22:02It's not Paris, I think.
00:22:03We can talk about Sosnowiec, Ręs, as we all know,
00:22:06the former center of the Uichald industry, a city with a beautiful cathedral,
00:22:08with medieval buildings, with a huge historical tradition
00:22:11and with a fantastic football club, the Ręs Stadion, but Ręs!
00:22:14I have rarely seen the cathedral, Mr. Editor, as I said before,
00:22:18we lived in the working suburbs of Ręs, but back to the title.
00:22:25So, how should we pronounce it?
00:22:31Are you wondering if others have noticed?
00:22:36Do others know or not know?
00:22:39Of course they know!
00:22:42For some reason they also kept silent.
00:22:45You should say Ręs!
00:22:48Never Ręs!
00:22:51Never Reims!
00:22:54Only Ręs, Ręs, Ręs!
00:22:58For everyone listening, this difference will be obvious,
00:23:01provided that you have the right predisposition to capture it.
00:23:06In the French articulation system preceded by the throat,
00:23:09Francophone, R, extracted deeply from the torn mucous membrane,
00:23:12a phonetic beat, Eim, consists of three voices,
00:23:15which in pronunciation smoothly pass into a single,
00:23:18sound phoneme, N, making their own,
00:23:21imperceptible transformation, allowing you to avoid
00:23:24linguistic redundancy.
00:23:27After this sound, however, in the way of the exception of the consonant S,
00:23:30it does not, contrary to our linguistic intuition,
00:23:33sound in its entirety.
00:23:44Ręs. Please repeat Ręs.
00:23:47Ręs. Excellent!
00:23:50Let's move, Mr Professor, to this segment,
00:23:53to which, let's agree,
00:23:59words are words, and there are many meanings.
00:24:02Everyone has something.
00:24:05I have something, Mr Professor has something,
00:24:08and everyone, when they look at us like that,
00:24:11sees us like that.
00:24:14No, because I wanted to talk about something
00:24:17that you, Mr Professor,
00:24:23it's not like you can repeat it over and over again.
00:24:26You can touch something,
00:24:29but it's not always there.
00:24:32It's not always there,
00:24:35something that you talk a lot about.
00:24:38In the book, besides it,
00:24:41that this construct,
00:24:45this dialectical construct,
00:24:48of some kind,
00:24:53because it's not really,
00:24:56in my opinion,
00:24:59something to be grasped.
00:25:02Banal, it's banal,
00:25:05without order and composition. Please correct yourselves.
00:25:08Words are music, discourse is music,
00:25:11discourse is a description,
00:25:14it's like a performance, it's like a talent show.
00:25:17Please make a show, please sing something.
00:25:20Certainly not.
00:25:29I'm sorry.
00:25:33But...
00:25:36I'm really sorry.
00:25:39Mr Professor...
00:26:02Normally,
00:26:27the distinction
00:26:31is completely
00:26:35and everyone
00:26:38knows that we are
00:26:42permanently here,
00:26:45living absolutely
00:26:49in the distinction.
00:26:53Please develop.
00:27:00Normally,
00:27:30normally,
00:27:33normally,
00:27:36normally.
00:27:50Please develop.
00:28:00La, la, la, la.
00:28:03La, la, la, la.
00:28:09La, la, la, la.
00:28:12La, la, la, la.
00:28:20Please develop.
00:28:30Aaa AAA AAAAA
00:28:36Tu Tu Tu Tu Tu…
00:28:39Tu Tu Tu…
00:28:47Tu Da Muuuaa...
00:28:54Oh
00:29:24Yes
00:29:55Didi
00:29:57Didi
00:29:59Didi
00:30:01Didi, what are you doing?
00:30:03Didi
00:30:04Didi, leave it!
00:30:05Didi, go home!
00:30:06Didi, where are you?
00:30:08Didi, Didi, no, no, no, no, no, no!
00:30:10Distancio
00:30:13You can stay
00:30:15Applause
00:30:22Professor
00:30:25Despite the fact that the professor is saving in words, it must be said,
00:30:29he drew our attention to something extremely important.
00:30:33Residents do not know how to pronounce the name of their own town.
00:30:38The professor, of course, knows, but they don't.
00:30:41The tragedy of social exclusion seems to be based on the lack of awareness of the situation in which we find ourselves,
00:30:47like in the Platoan myth of the cave,
00:30:51in which the prisoner released from the cave, having received the knowledge of the highest ideas,
00:30:55replaces the prejudice, doxa, knowledge, episteme,
00:30:58but when he returns to tell his fellow brothers about it, he is killed by them.
00:31:07The colleague, of course, is talking about the political reading of Plato.
00:31:10Of course, political reading is unnecessary.
00:31:13I don't want to be misunderstood.
00:31:15I don't compare the dangerous residents of the cave to those honest residents of the Hens,
00:31:19unless only in one aspect, slavery in relation to capitalist structures of violence.
00:31:24But it was the professor,
00:31:27the professor, like this Platoan fugitive,
00:31:30who gained access to a certain kind of language,
00:31:33to a certain kind of knowledge,
00:31:35which is inaccessible to most of the class representatives from which the professor comes from.
00:31:38And the professor here, on these cards, talks about it, writes about it,
00:31:43that this return,
00:31:47this return to the Hens,
00:31:50turned out to be difficult,
00:31:52turned out to be traumatic.
00:31:59Professor, how did the family accept your transformation?
00:32:07And so we come back to the issue of exclusion.
00:32:15My family could never accept that I was abnormal.
00:32:24Non-normative.
00:32:25Abnormal.
00:32:26Non-normative.
00:32:27Abnormal.
00:32:28Non-normative.
00:32:29I was abnormal for my family.
00:32:31Your family could not accept your non-normativity,
00:32:35Your family could not accept your non-normativity.
00:32:43Your family could not accept your non-normativity.
00:32:54Please continue.
00:32:55Your family could not accept your non-normativity.
00:33:04Your family could not accept your non-normativity.
00:33:09Please continue.
00:33:10Your family could not accept your non-normativity.
00:33:31Please continue.
00:33:32Please continue.
00:33:33You know, in my town,
00:33:37people often, loudly and publicly,
00:33:40simply called me a fag.
00:33:43A faggot.
00:33:44A faggot.
00:33:45A faggot.
00:33:46A faggot.
00:33:47A faggot.
00:33:48A faggot.
00:33:49A faggot.
00:33:50A faggot.
00:33:51They humiliated me.
00:33:52They humiliated me.
00:33:53They spit on me.
00:33:55They just pointed fingers at me.
00:33:57They parodied me disgustingly when they turned to me.
00:34:01They used only feminine forms.
00:34:04They treated it as a good game.
00:34:06In the best case, in the worst case, it was a disgust.
00:34:08Blind.
00:34:09Mr. Editor, pure disgust.
00:34:12There were moments when I wanted to kill myself.
00:34:15Literally, without any metaphors, to kill myself.
00:34:17Because other homosexual children did it.
00:34:20They just couldn't stand it.
00:34:21I think about myself as a survivor, Mr. Editor.
00:34:28I think about myself as a survivor, Mr. Editor.
00:34:32Do you feel too much emotion?
00:34:39Do you feel too much stress?
00:34:44Do you experience uncontrolled outbursts of anger?
00:34:52You can't afford it with your position.
00:34:59For you, a successful person, anger can be a serious problem.
00:35:14Do you want to avoid accusations of mobbing?
00:35:23Boring and humiliating anti-violence trainings?
00:35:30Court proceedings?
00:35:34Friends' ostracism?
00:35:42Keep a distinctive peace thanks to our unique sports program Habitus.
00:35:53Remember, Hindus in Bombay learn to keep their emotions at bay by playing cricket.
00:36:03Play and win with us.
00:36:10Habitus Center
00:36:23Habitus.
00:36:25Habitus.
00:36:27Habitus.
00:36:28Well, Habitus.
00:36:30Habitus has been torn apart.
00:36:33Live on TV, it has been torn apart.
00:36:36You know, all of us here have completely torn Habitus apart.
00:36:40Please speak for yourself, Professor.
00:36:42We all have it torn apart.
00:36:43But we all have it torn apart, right?
00:36:45Because, to be honest, they weren't perfectly sewn.
00:36:47Well, those Habitus that are being sewn now.
00:36:50Okay, maybe something more about Habitus, Professor.
00:36:54Mr. Editor, I have to think.
00:36:56You can be a professor of sociology and a son of a worker, right?
00:36:59Of course.
00:37:00You can communicate differently at home, in the kitchen, with your mother, right?
00:37:03Or with your father, your brother, your wife, and so on.
00:37:05You can communicate differently on the street, differently at the university,
00:37:09differently in the theatre, differently on TV, differently in the opera,
00:37:13differently at a football match.
00:37:15You can use different languages.
00:37:17Yes, because we all use different languages here.
00:37:22But extremely different languages.
00:37:23Yes, Polish, English.
00:37:25It's about radical mixing of Habitus. Do you understand?
00:37:28Yes, English and English.
00:37:30We all know foreign languages here, Professor, don't worry.
00:37:32It's about radical mixing.
00:37:34So, my Habitus...
00:37:36Yes, I know, for example, the French fugitive.
00:37:38I wanted to say that, maybe I'll just go ahead with the introduction.
00:37:43My father was French.
00:37:45Of course, at the beginning I was French.
00:37:47My father was Algerian.
00:37:49My mother was French.
00:37:50My father was French.
00:37:52We played French.
00:37:53Of course, we always play French.
00:37:55Yes, my father was a French of Algerian origin.
00:37:59But back to the question of Habitus.
00:38:01It seems to me that the question of Habitus is, in a sense,
00:38:03a secondary question, because of the intellectual formation
00:38:06of French post-structuralists.
00:38:08Well, please speak, because that's what I wanted to ask.
00:38:11You speak so beautifully.
00:38:12Well, well, well, yes.
00:38:15Well, well, well, Habitus.
00:38:18Well, I had it at the end of the language.
00:38:21Well, what did I want to say?
00:38:25I wanted to say that Habitus,
00:38:27well, of course, Habitus,
00:38:29I have Habitus, of course, in the greatest generalization.
00:38:33Yes, because you always need to be in the greatest generalization.
00:38:35Mr. Editor, I was just about to say something important.
00:38:38Yes, but, Professor, you have to say it like this,
00:38:40to say...
00:38:41You have to know what to say to say what you want to say.
00:38:46I want to say what I want to say.
00:38:48Yes, but you have to know what you don't want to say
00:38:51to say what you don't want to say.
00:38:53I want to say that here, in this place,
00:38:55you can't say anything at all.
00:38:57Ladies and gentlemen, I'm very sorry,
00:38:59but I'm really sorry.
00:39:00I'm sorry, everyone.
00:39:02Well, it's really...
00:39:04I'm sorry.
00:39:07But here...
00:39:17Oh...
00:39:19Oh...
00:39:22You're a homosexual.
00:39:25As I've said many times before.
00:39:27But, Professor, one thing,
00:39:29you don't have to be ashamed of it.
00:39:31Thank you very much.
00:39:32I know I don't have to be ashamed of it, Mr. Editor.
00:39:34No, no, no.
00:39:35The point is that you were ashamed of it.
00:39:37I was ashamed.
00:39:38I was ashamed of being a homosexual,
00:39:40Mr. Editor,
00:39:41just because I grew up in a homophobic environment.
00:39:44Well, and since my friend and I are not homophobic,
00:39:47please don't be ashamed of it here.
00:39:49Thank you very much.
00:39:50You see, that's the problem.
00:39:51Homophobia is a phenomenon strongly correlated with social class.
00:39:54I think that here, in this place,
00:39:56and in general, in this country,
00:39:58it's a very serious problem.
00:40:01Yes, it's a very interesting issue.
00:40:04I have the impression that,
00:40:07as a heterosexual woman who supports
00:40:11excluded homosexuals,
00:40:15that homophobia is even more difficult for me to bear
00:40:18than it is for you as a homosexual.
00:40:20I think that's a bold statement.
00:40:21No, no, no.
00:40:22But, Professor, I don't even realize it,
00:40:24because for the Professor,
00:40:25homophobia is a daily inconvenience.
00:40:28For us, homophobia is a stain
00:40:30burdening our heterosexual identity.
00:40:32Absolutely.
00:40:33And I have the impression that
00:40:35exclusion is taking on new forms.
00:40:37For example, I dream that
00:40:40heterosexuality becomes something non-normative.
00:40:43I regret that as a heterosexual woman
00:40:46I am excluded from the LGBT movement
00:40:48as its full-fledged participant.
00:40:51Yes, I'm sorry.
00:40:52But, Professor,
00:40:54you don't even realize it.
00:40:57Because you, Professor,
00:40:59have never asked yourself
00:41:01what it means to be a heterosexual.
00:41:04Somehow, no.
00:41:05No.
00:41:06Of course, I also have no complaints
00:41:09to you, Professor,
00:41:10that you have never asked yourself such a question.
00:41:12Because, to be honest,
00:41:13I didn't ask myself that question myself.
00:41:15And now, the more I ask,
00:41:17the less I know.
00:41:20And I have the impression that I got lost.
00:41:22A little bit,
00:41:23but I'm in a hurry to cut you off.
00:41:25You see, Ms. Heterosexualist,
00:41:27you don't ask yourself who you are.
00:41:28No, I don't.
00:41:29Because you treat your heterosexuality
00:41:31as an obvious state.
00:41:32And you hit the nail on the head.
00:41:34Okay, but of course,
00:41:35we don't want to deny
00:41:36the enormous degree of exclusion of the Professor.
00:41:38We don't.
00:41:39This bold diagnosis…
00:41:40We, heterosexuals,
00:41:42don't have the space to ask ourselves
00:41:44who we are.
00:41:45No one asks us questions.
00:41:47We take the queer dimension of our experience.
00:41:49I'm very sorry.
00:41:57But let's go back to you,
00:41:59because you already said
00:42:01that you didn't have an easy life in Rems.
00:42:03But how did you discover
00:42:11this homo-spark?
00:42:16As I've said many times before,
00:42:18my whole life I was terribly ashamed of my parents.
00:42:21I left Rems
00:42:23to be able to become gay.
00:42:25Yes, to finally be able to stand in Paris
00:42:28and establish yourself as a homosexual.
00:42:31Well, because in Rems it was hard,
00:42:33you know, to establish yourself with someone.
00:42:35So, in Rems, you were inhibited
00:42:38to explore your orientation.
00:42:41Yes, I think so.
00:42:42You were inhibited.
00:42:43Yes, I was inhibited.
00:42:44Exploration.
00:42:45In Rems, I was inhibited to explore my…
00:42:47Your…
00:42:48In Rems, I was inhibited to explore my…
00:42:51Orientation.
00:42:52Orientation.
00:42:53In Rems, I was inhibited
00:42:55to explore my orientation.
00:42:57Orientation.
00:42:58Please, continue.
00:42:59I was actually walking around the cathedral at night
00:43:02to a dark park to inhibit.
00:43:05To explore.
00:43:06Of course, to explore.
00:43:08To explore.
00:43:09No, no, no.
00:43:10To explore, to explore.
00:43:11Simply to inhibit.
00:43:12It means to stop.
00:43:13But of course I know what it means to inhibit.
00:43:15Yes, but they don't know.
00:43:16Of course.
00:43:17I'm a bit confused.
00:43:18So, I was walking around this park at night
00:43:20to explore.
00:43:21To explore.
00:43:22To explore badly.
00:43:23And it wasn't a nice, pleasant exploration.
00:43:25You know, it wasn't a place for a young boy
00:43:27who would like to fall in love,
00:43:29to experience first love,
00:43:30first flirt,
00:43:31or to fall in love with a friend, for example,
00:43:33from a school bench.
00:43:34These were older, desperate guys
00:43:36looking for a quick, anonymous sex.
00:43:38Fascinating.
00:43:40I don't know.
00:43:41You know, people got lost.
00:43:42Ah, the sight is a tool of violence.
00:43:44Yes, it's interesting.
00:43:45No shame.
00:43:46Worse than touch.
00:43:47I literally, you know,
00:43:48I was glued to the looks of those poor people
00:43:50who were waiting in those bushes.
00:43:51And to the interesting passages
00:43:52which they unfortunately saw.
00:43:53Ah, not being able to count on anonymity.
00:43:55Not being able to count on anonymity
00:43:57to the extent that
00:43:58even my sister-in-law,
00:44:00an office worker,
00:44:01was passing by
00:44:02when he was looking at me.
00:44:04Someone once ironically called it
00:44:06a transgressive cut of human trajectories.
00:44:09Maybe you know,
00:44:10people got lost all the time.
00:44:11Oh, involved observation of other objects
00:44:13of urban space.
00:44:14Involved observation of other objects
00:44:16of urban space.
00:44:17I was simply, Mr. Editor,
00:44:18inhibited.
00:44:19Ah, very good.
00:44:20No, no, not good, you know.
00:44:22Well, not good.
00:44:23They just kept,
00:44:24they kept looking at me.
00:44:27Yes, yes.
00:44:28They were engaged in observation.
00:44:30They were engaged in observation,
00:44:32but also engaged in exclamations.
00:44:35Oh, and it would be good to quote something.
00:44:37No, it would be good to give up, really.
00:44:39I was disgusted.
00:44:40Exclamations.
00:44:41Mixed with mud.
00:44:42Really.
00:44:43Stabbed with my fingers.
00:44:44They had character.
00:44:45Exclamations had character.
00:44:47You, auntie!
00:44:48Damn it!
00:44:50Hey, you, faggot!
00:44:52Who is that?
00:44:53You, pig!
00:44:54Exclamations.
00:44:55Hey, you, auntie!
00:44:56The only thing you can do
00:44:57is to shove shit
00:44:58in someone's ass!
00:45:00Exclamations
00:45:01had a clearly pejorative character.
00:45:04Yes, damn pejorative.
00:45:05Negative attitudes to these statements
00:45:07were very high.
00:45:08These people.
00:45:09People's class.
00:45:10No, no, no, no, no, sir.
00:45:11I don't want to accuse
00:45:12the people's class and the blog.
00:45:14These people.
00:45:15People's class.
00:45:16But I really want to accuse
00:45:17these specific people.
00:45:18Well, they were convicted
00:45:19of raping certain people.
00:45:20But you got out.
00:45:21You are in jail.
00:45:22They dragged me into the swamp.
00:45:24But what clearly proves
00:45:25that there is a possibility
00:45:26for advancement
00:45:27within our system.
00:45:28I got out of there.
00:45:29You migrated.
00:45:30I saved myself.
00:45:31I escaped like a rat.
00:45:32For the purpose of social reconversion
00:45:33you left that place.
00:45:35Yes, because I was disgusted
00:45:36by the hands of its inhabitants.
00:45:37Reconversion was inevitably
00:45:38associated with the feeling
00:45:39of disgust, of shame.
00:45:41That's why I left.
00:45:42Yes.
00:45:43I left because
00:45:46because what opportunities
00:45:47did I have there to
00:45:48explore my own orientation?
00:45:51Yes, that's it.
00:45:52Those were not the times of the Internet
00:45:54and dating apps.
00:45:56Those were the times of
00:45:58gay messages.
00:45:59Analog tools of exploration.
00:46:01Analog tools of exploration,
00:46:06in which it was…
00:46:07Oh, first you had to
00:46:08buy them analog
00:46:09from a nasty woman in a kiosk.
00:46:10That was the first challenge.
00:46:11Tools without the perspective
00:46:13of anonymity.
00:46:14Tools without the perspective
00:46:15of anonymity.
00:46:16And in these tools
00:46:17without the perspective
00:46:18of anonymity
00:46:19there were simply
00:46:20you know what?
00:46:21Advertisements.
00:46:22The then platform of interaction.
00:46:23The then platform of interaction.
00:46:25And maybe…
00:46:27Maybe you can
00:46:28quote the then platform
00:46:30of interaction.
00:46:31I don't know if it will be
00:46:32censored.
00:46:34But here you go.
00:46:35These are authentic.
00:46:36My friend.
00:46:37No.
00:46:38Please.
00:46:46I'm 19 years old
00:46:48and I've never slept with a boy.
00:46:51Who wants to
00:46:54torture me?
00:46:55I'll send you a photo and a letter.
00:46:57You won't regret it.
00:46:59Decisive and subversive
00:47:01overtaking of aesthetic
00:47:02eras.
00:47:03Dionysia Postpamienic.
00:47:07I miss you
00:47:08like a sailor
00:47:09whose boat
00:47:10loses its way
00:47:11and looks out over the land
00:47:12but the compass
00:47:13still shows
00:47:14an empty
00:47:15grey sea.
00:47:17We'll meet guys
00:47:18with thick cheeks
00:47:19shaking their asses.
00:47:21Poland and Europe
00:47:22write to us.
00:47:24Ludiczna Antycypacja
00:47:25Kultury Kampu.
00:47:27Yes.
00:47:28Yes.
00:47:29Well.
00:47:30Here we go.
00:47:32So as you can see
00:47:33I really
00:47:35had to run
00:47:36away from this
00:47:37fucking city.
00:47:40Please stand up immediately.
00:47:41Please show your speech.
00:47:45Please stand up.
00:47:46Please show your fashion.
00:47:47Please show your fashion.
00:47:50Please show
00:47:51that you are fashionable.
00:47:54Please show
00:47:55that sociology
00:47:56is fashionable.
00:47:59That the idea
00:48:00is fashionable.
00:48:01That the idea
00:48:02is sexy.
00:48:04That exclusion
00:48:05is sexy.
00:48:06Please exclude yourself
00:48:07sexually.
00:48:10Please make a catwalk here.
00:48:11We move our hips.
00:48:14Please walk
00:48:15boldly.
00:48:16Please take steps.
00:48:19The whole program
00:48:20should be like this.
00:48:21The whole program.
00:48:24This is supposed to be a catwalk.
00:48:25This is supposed to be a catwalk.
00:48:26This is supposed to be a catwalk.
00:48:29Please lead
00:48:30Please lead the audience.
00:48:34Because you know
00:48:35what to do
00:48:36with models
00:48:39who will gain weight
00:48:40who will put their foot wrong.
00:48:44How wrong
00:48:45is their leg?
00:48:46How wrong is their leg?
00:48:49In a catwalk.
00:48:52Always in a catwalk.
00:48:55Please take steps.
00:48:57Please don't gain weight.
00:49:01Please make it
00:49:02a light, polite catwalk.
00:49:05Otherwise,
00:49:06Dorens,
00:49:09otherwise
00:49:10everyone will go home.
00:49:13Good evening,
00:49:14My name is Didier Ribond, I'm a French professor of sociology,
00:49:18author of the book, The Return of Dorens,
00:49:20to which I cordially invite you to read.
00:49:25Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop!
00:49:34Excuse me, but what am I doing here?
00:49:39What am I doing here? Who am I doing here?
00:49:42Am I some kind of monkey here?
00:49:45Zoo?
00:49:47Did I come here to play something?
00:49:49To play something? To play?
00:49:51To play Eribon?
00:49:54You are, I remind you, Eribon.
00:49:57Yes, you have invited Eribon here.
00:49:59Yes, yes, yes, yes, we have invited you here.
00:50:01Yes, to say something and no matter what he says,
00:50:04no matter who.
00:50:05But to make Didier Eribon say something.
00:50:08Yes, to make Didier Eribon say something
00:50:10I don't know who says it,
00:50:12I mean, someone says something,
00:50:14but I don't know what he says,
00:50:15or who says it,
00:50:16something is being said to me,
00:50:17but I have no contact with it at all,
00:50:19I'm just playing.
00:50:21I'm losing my tongue,
00:50:23I'm losing my mind,
00:50:24I'm losing my voice,
00:50:25I don't know who I am here anymore.
00:50:27You have invited me,
00:50:28I'm playing,
00:50:29I'm losing publicly,
00:50:30in front of the whole,
00:50:32in front of this whole poor country.
00:50:36I'm losing Eribon.
00:50:37You have invited me, right?
00:50:39And no matter what I say.
00:50:40Hello, who is speaking?
00:50:42Who is speaking?
00:50:43Didier Eribon is speaking,
00:50:45the French professor of sociology is speaking,
00:50:46the homosexual is speaking,
00:50:47the leftist is speaking, right?
00:50:49You have invited me,
00:50:50no matter what I say.
00:50:51Hello, hello, who is speaking?
00:50:53You have your own national television
00:50:56national pedalo,
00:50:58cool, isn't it?
00:50:59Cool?
00:51:00But please repeat.
00:51:01Pedal, I repeat, pedal.
00:51:03But please repeat who?
00:51:04Pedal, pedal, pedal,
00:51:06I repeat, pedal,
00:51:07I can repeat it a hundred times.
00:51:08Who?
00:51:09Professor Pedal of sociology.
00:51:11Bravo, bravo,
00:51:12very good, you have outed yourself.
00:51:13I have outed myself
00:51:14as a professor of sociology
00:51:15in front of my parents.
00:51:16I was very ashamed.
00:51:17Mr. Eribon.
00:51:18I wasn't born like that.
00:51:20Hello, who is speaking?
00:51:21Modern science clearly shows.
00:51:23You were born a professor of sociology.
00:51:25Of course I wasn't born
00:51:27a professor of sociology.
00:51:28But it doesn't appear
00:51:29with an age, professor.
00:51:31And then,
00:51:33and then at Sorbonne,
00:51:36then at Sorbonne,
00:51:38well, there I became a homosexual.
00:51:41On the basis of the discussion
00:51:42Reflection on the Gay Issue.
00:51:44And besides that,
00:51:45I defended being a homosexual.
00:51:47Congratulations,
00:51:48diploma magna cum laude.
00:51:50I defended myself, ladies and gentlemen,
00:51:52from being a homosexual.
00:51:54I defended being a homosexual.
00:51:55My magna cum laude.
00:51:57Before talking about it on TV,
00:51:59before breakfast TV,
00:52:00before journalists,
00:52:01I wanted to focus
00:52:03on being a professor of sociology.
00:52:05You can't accept your parents.
00:52:08Father.
00:52:09Father is dead.
00:52:10Being a professor of sociology
00:52:12is, as you know, hereditary.
00:52:14Ms. Editor, really,
00:52:16I was expecting something else from you.
00:52:18Really, being a professor of sociology
00:52:20has never been,
00:52:21will never be hereditary.
00:52:22The son of a professor of sociology
00:52:24will be a professor of sociology.
00:52:25And you decided,
00:52:27you decided to become gay
00:52:29so as not to reproduce
00:52:30other professors of sociology.
00:52:31I didn't become anyone.
00:52:33I became a professor.
00:52:35A professor, right?
00:52:36Because I constantly have to reproduce
00:52:38since I can't study biology,
00:52:39at least intellectually, right?
00:52:41A professor,
00:52:42because you don't have a descendant
00:52:44who would be a professor of sociology.
00:52:46I don't have such plans.
00:52:47I would like to become a professor of sociology.
00:52:49And I will be honest here,
00:52:50because I don't have a father
00:52:51who would be a professor of sociology,
00:52:53and I would very much like
00:52:54to become a professor of sociology.
00:52:56I have such small plans.
00:52:58I'm already close to the end.
00:52:59It won't even take us long.
00:53:00I'm already close to the end.
00:53:02To the end.
00:53:03Honestly.
00:53:04Because I thought
00:53:05that you could become my father.
00:53:12Of course, only in a spiritual sense.
00:53:23Everyone around is smiling
00:53:25and you are the only one who is sad?
00:53:28Others perceive you as not quite nice?
00:53:31Not quite cheerful?
00:53:33Glum?
00:53:35The lack of a smile clearly indicates
00:53:37that you are missing something.
00:53:39Sometimes it is enough to smile
00:53:41so that everything is fine.
00:53:44Infect others with your joy and optimism.
00:53:49You don't want people to move away from you.
00:53:54Everything depends on your own attitude.
00:53:58You have to show others a little kindness.
00:54:03Smile!
00:54:05A smile says a lot about a person.
00:54:09White and healthy teeth
00:54:10are one of the indicators of social status.
00:54:14It is worth taking care of them
00:54:15and honing them courageously.
00:54:19Let them see, let them know, let them envy.
00:54:24The first paste developed in Distinction technology
00:54:26contains a unique formula 3 in 1.
00:54:28Thanks to it, you can show three things at once.
00:54:30That you have teeth,
00:54:31that you have capital
00:54:32and that you know how to invest in yourself.
00:54:34Buy it today.
00:54:36Remember that Distinction paste only produces teeth
00:54:38that were originally white.
00:54:51Professors.
00:54:52Editors.
00:54:54Impulses.
00:54:57Your escape.
00:54:59You became a musician.
00:55:00I think I had a lot of other reasons to escape.
00:55:03Let me quote a professor.
00:55:05But please let me.
00:55:06Let me quote a professor.
00:55:09Apparently,
00:55:11at school, you met a boy from a good family.
00:55:15Yes, that's true.
00:55:17And apparently, you fell in love
00:55:20with this boy from a good family.
00:55:22Yes, that's true.
00:55:23You fell in love with a boy from a good family
00:55:25while being from a bad family.
00:55:27From a bad family, that's true.
00:55:28Yes.
00:55:29And you write that you really wanted to be like this boy from a good family.
00:55:33That's true.
00:55:34I wanted to be like him.
00:55:37Do you think you should be like him?
00:55:39I didn't want to be like him.
00:55:40Exactly like him.
00:55:41No, I just wanted to be like him.
00:55:42Well, we've talked about it a little bit.
00:55:44Yes, about similarity.
00:55:45And about difference.
00:55:46And about difference.
00:55:47Similarity means difference.
00:55:48You can't be similar without difference,
00:55:49because it would be the same, of course.
00:55:51You repeated what he did.
00:55:53That's true.
00:55:54What, for example?
00:55:56For example, he knew music very well.
00:55:58And you, let me add, you didn't know music.
00:56:01Yes, I didn't know music at all,
00:56:03especially I didn't know classical music.
00:56:05He knew classical music very well,
00:56:08Mr. Editor,
00:56:09he could easily recognize the pieces in the lessons
00:56:11after the first bars.
00:56:12A master.
00:56:13A master, yes.
00:56:14Boys from my environment,
00:56:15boys from my class,
00:56:17it was somehow terribly funny.
00:56:19And you, as you said,
00:56:21you didn't know music at all.
00:56:23I can answer for the hundredth time,
00:56:25Mr. Editor,
00:56:26I didn't know music at all.
00:56:28And he didn't tell you anything about Szymanowski's name.
00:56:30He didn't tell me anything about Szymanowski's name.
00:56:32And did you know, for example, Shostakovich?
00:56:34I didn't know Shostakovich at all.
00:56:36All right, you listened to Bach, at least a little bit.
00:56:38Actually, not a little bit, I didn't listen to Bach.
00:56:40I thought everyone listened to Bach.
00:56:43How nice, Mr. Editor,
00:56:44not everyone,
00:56:45for example, I didn't listen to Bach as a child.
00:56:47I thought that even in lower spheres
00:56:49Bach was listened to.
00:56:51In lower spheres, as you said,
00:56:53you didn't listen to Bach.
00:56:55Only when you wanted to impress that boy,
00:56:57I started listening to Bach,
00:56:59but I still couldn't tell
00:57:01one Bach from the other.
00:57:03But what about Jano Sebastian from Carle Emanuele?
00:57:05Worse. Prelude and Fugue in C minor
00:57:07from the Brandenburg Concertos.
00:57:09Ouch, it really is a serious disappointment, Professor.
00:57:12I still think I have a very poor musical education.
00:57:15But don't overdo it,
00:57:17it's definitely not bad.
00:57:19Let's listen to a piece by Jano Sebastian.
00:57:50It's very beautiful,
00:57:51but unfortunately I have no idea what it is.
00:57:53I have no idea what it is.
00:57:54I have no idea what it is.
00:57:55It's very surprising, Professor.
00:57:58No, no, I mean the piece.
00:57:59Oh, of course.
00:58:00Once again, please.
00:58:01Yes.
00:58:17Aaaah, I think I know it.
00:58:19Yes, I bet you do.
00:58:21I told you I'm good.
00:58:22Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
00:58:26A volume of motets.
00:58:28A volume of motets.
00:58:29I'm sure the Professor knows something about a multispeaker model.
00:58:32There is a multispeaker.
00:58:34There is a multispeaker, yes.
00:58:36The Professor really doesn't know.
00:58:38I don't know, I didn't know.
00:58:40I really cared.
00:58:42No, no, no, you really don't know anything.
00:58:44But it's even better, because it shows that with the right spirit,
00:58:46everyone can sit here with us,
00:58:48everyone can achieve success,
00:58:50even when they don't know anything.
00:58:52I've been trying to make up for the distances all my life.
00:58:54And as you know, it's hard to make up for the distances.
00:58:56You know, in those houses,
00:58:58they didn't listen to classical music from birth.
00:59:00Exactly, and in your house,
00:59:02they didn't listen to classical music from birth.
00:59:04In my house, there is no music from birth or after birth.
00:59:06In your house, they preferred silence.
00:59:08Well, not quite.
00:59:10In that case, what species were preferred in your house, Professor?
00:59:12There is certainly no Madrigal.
00:59:14So there was no multispeaker.
00:59:16Well, in a way,
00:59:18there could have been a multispeaker.
00:59:20Motets.
00:59:22But there were no motets.
00:59:24All right, Professor, so what was there?
00:59:26Ah.
00:59:28Various noises.
00:59:30Wow, various noises.
00:59:32Yes, various.
00:59:34Noises.
00:59:36And it sounds like a decaf.
00:59:38Ah, it may sound like a decaf,
00:59:40but I'm absolutely sure
00:59:42that it wasn't a decaf.
00:59:44And this firmness assumes
00:59:46that the Professor knows
00:59:48at least what a decaf is.
00:59:50I have no idea what a decaf is,
00:59:52but I have a feeling
00:59:54that this
00:59:58was not
01:00:00a decaf.
01:00:04Not a decaf.
01:00:06What, then?
01:00:08Ah, you know,
01:00:10Mr. Editor,
01:00:12quarrels,
01:00:14adventures.
01:00:16Oh, no.
01:00:18What?
01:00:20Bottles.
01:00:22Yes, very experimental
01:00:24quarrels
01:00:26with bottles.
01:00:28I would even say that it's very progressive.
01:00:30Very progressive
01:00:32quarrels with bottles.
01:00:34So, Mr. Professor,
01:00:36you've been very obedient since you were a child.
01:00:38Yes.
01:00:40Oh, yes.
01:00:44In quarrels with bottles.
01:00:48In shouts.
01:00:50Indeed!
01:00:54Obedient.
01:00:56In shouts.
01:00:58Behind the wall.
01:01:00In father's adventures.
01:01:02Behind the door.
01:01:04When father came home drunk.
01:01:06Obedient.
01:01:10In the absence of silence.
01:01:12In my house.
01:01:14Never.
01:01:16There was no silence.
01:01:18Obedient.
01:01:20In the neighbors' voices.
01:01:22I am obedient.
01:01:24In the repairmen's voices.
01:01:26If there was any repair at all.
01:01:28I am obedient.
01:01:30In the tap water.
01:01:32I am obedient.
01:01:34In the sand.
01:01:36I am
01:01:38obedient.
01:01:40In the people
01:01:42digging the apartments next door.
01:01:44Because it was hard to hear
01:01:46I am
01:01:48obedient.
01:01:50In the crying of children.
01:01:52I am obedient.
01:01:54And when the adults
01:01:56were crying
01:01:58and shouting even louder
01:02:00I am obedient.
01:02:02And this music
01:02:04stays until the end.
01:02:06Here.
01:02:16This is
01:02:28impossible to say.
01:02:34You can try.
01:02:36But what can you say
01:02:38with words?
01:02:42I try to express myself all my life.
01:02:44I try to capture it somehow.
01:02:46Describe.
01:02:48Tell.
01:02:50All my life I try to tell
01:02:52about my experience.
01:02:56But it escapes description.
01:03:00It escapes your
01:03:04discourse.
01:03:14You just lie?
01:03:18You just lie and lie?
01:03:22You don't even have the strength
01:03:24not to have the strength?
01:03:28Don't give up the consumption narrative.
01:03:30Don't let yourself be persuaded
01:03:32that next purchases will help you.
01:03:36In fact, art will help you.
01:03:40It is enough
01:03:42if you give up
01:03:44our sound therapy.
01:03:46Immerse yourself
01:03:48without the rest
01:03:50in the ocean of sound.
01:03:52Let the music surround you.
01:03:56Our professional masseurs
01:03:58will stimulate your tired muscles
01:04:00thanks to the use of
01:04:02the shaking bowl technique.
01:04:04Thanks to it,
01:04:06you will be able
01:04:08to continue to function
01:04:10properly.
01:04:12Let us heal you.
01:04:28I think that...
01:04:30I think that
01:04:32this is the moment
01:04:34that the time has come
01:04:36to move on to
01:04:38the most important aspect.
01:04:40Aspect...
01:04:42Aspect...
01:04:44What aspect, professor?
01:04:46The aspect of breaking Habitus,
01:04:48editor.
01:04:50Please, please,
01:04:52move this aspect
01:04:54so that we are
01:04:56completely in harmony with each other.
01:04:58Professor, move this aspect.
01:05:08Aspect...
01:05:12When I came back to Hens
01:05:14during the breaks from my studies,
01:05:16I was talking to my mother.
01:05:18My mother
01:05:20got mad at the language I was speaking.
01:05:22It's true that this language
01:05:24was a tool of distinction for her,
01:05:26while I did not notice
01:05:28the aberration elements
01:05:30in my location.
01:05:32I don't understand what you're saying.
01:05:34She said what her master had told her.
01:05:36I don't understand
01:05:38the aberration elements
01:05:40in my location.
01:05:42You're pissing me off, Didier,
01:05:44she said, I don't understand anything.
01:05:46I don't notice the aberration
01:05:48in my location.
01:05:50You're doing it on purpose,
01:05:52she said, you want to annoy me.
01:05:54I don't notice the aberration.
01:05:56You said.
01:05:58I don't notice the aberration
01:06:00being a source of your affection.
01:06:02Stop it, she said,
01:06:04I don't notice the aberration
01:06:06being a source of your affection,
01:06:08unless it is the distinctiveness
01:06:10of my aesthetic dispositions.
01:06:12Shut up, she said,
01:06:14shut up, she shouted,
01:06:16stop repeating it, she said.
01:06:18What did they do to you?
01:06:20You're showing off because you finished your studies.
01:06:22You know I don't understand anything.
01:06:24I understood perfectly well
01:06:26why I was doing it.
01:06:28It was not true that I did not understand
01:06:30the aberration of my location.
01:06:32You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:34You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:36You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:38You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:40You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:42You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:44You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:46You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:48You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:50You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:52You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:54You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:56You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:06:58You wanted her to feel humiliated.
01:07:00Professor.
01:07:04Professor comes from Rens.
01:07:08No.
01:07:10Dear Mr. Editor,
01:07:12I don't come from Rens.
01:07:14I come from the suburbs of Rens.
01:07:16From a poor working family.
01:07:20My father was a physical worker
01:07:22employed in a factory all his life.
01:07:24All his life
01:07:26he worked in a factory.
01:07:28He was a victim of industrialization.
01:07:30He was a victim of industrialization.
01:07:32He was a victim of industrialization.
01:07:34He was a victim of industrialization.
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01:09:56He was a victim of industrialization.
01:09:58He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:00He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:02He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:04He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:06He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:08He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:10He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:12He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:14He was a victim of industrialization.
01:10:16We have to fight for the working class.
01:10:18If not us, then who?
01:10:20I don't want any working class anymore.
01:10:22I don't want any working class anymore.
01:10:24I am convinced that nothing can be changed
01:10:26in the working class.
01:10:28I am convinced that nothing can be changed
01:10:30in the working class.
01:10:32Why?
01:10:34Because that's how it was raised.
01:10:36Because that's how it was raised.
01:10:38Because that's the perspective.
01:10:40Because that's the education.
01:10:42Because that's the education.
01:10:44I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:10:46I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:10:48I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:10:50I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:10:52I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:10:54I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:10:56I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:10:58I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:11:00I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:11:02I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:11:04I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:11:06I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:11:08I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:11:10I won't let you get in there anymore.
01:11:12We bend.
01:11:14We bend.
01:11:16And we don't change anything.
01:11:18And we don't change anything.
01:11:20Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:22Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:24Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:26Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:28Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:30Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:32Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:34Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:36Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:38Am I not a miracle saved?
01:11:40With my head in this whole mess.
01:11:44And I hate you too.
01:11:46And I hate you too.
01:11:48I hate you.
01:11:50I hate you.
01:11:52I hate you.
01:11:54I hate you.
01:11:56I hate you like dogs.
01:11:58I hate you like dogs.
01:12:00And I'm waiting for a real revolution.
01:12:02And I'm waiting for a real revolution.
01:12:04And I'm waiting for a real revolution.
01:12:06And I'm waiting for a real revolution.
01:12:08Damn theater!
01:12:10Damn theater!
01:12:12Yes.
01:12:14Beautiful, great.
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