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Transcript
00:00State your name for the record.
00:12Judalon Smith, J-U-D-A-L-O-N Smith, S-M-Y-T-H.
00:20I own a tape duplicating company, and I also sell and specialize in crystals and stones,
00:28and I publish a newsletter for doll collectors.
00:31I have two cats, Shanti Oz and Ishi Kitty.
00:34How did you first meet L. Jerome Ozeel?
00:41I was duplicating some tapes of seminars about relationships, and I wanted to go to one.
00:46And at the end, it said to contact the Phobia Institute of Beverly Hills, and Dr. Ozeel
00:52answered.
00:53He said I didn't need a seminar.
00:55I needed one-on-one therapy.
01:02And your relationship became sexual, did it not?
01:04Well, our relationship became rape, brainwashing, hypnotism, physical abuse, mental abuse, kidnapping.
01:13Objection.
01:14Sustained.
01:15Miss Smith.
01:16Wow, I'm talking.
01:17I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?
01:32He put me on Xanax and Prozac.
01:35He made me take an AIDS test before we had sex.
01:39It was always in seven months.
01:41That's when the divorce would happen.
01:42And then seven months later, he'd say he was getting a divorce in seven months.
01:46Can I just ask, is it Menendez or Menendez?
01:51Jerry's license was suspended the entire time.
01:54He shouldn't have been seeing anybody.
01:56Objection.
01:57He had his patients pay him in chores like they were his servants.
02:00Your Honor, objection.
02:01Just like I was a sex servant.
02:02Objection.
02:03I don't know what you are objecting to.
02:06Is it getting drugs rammed down your throat?
02:08Because I objected to that too.
02:10Sustained.
02:11Miss Smith.
02:12I'm sorry, I'm just trying to answer the question.
02:16She's a fucking star.
02:18I know.
02:21She's going to win this trial for us.
02:24Miss Smith, do you know what this is?
02:26Yes.
02:27This is an IOU for 500 sex acts I had to perform on him.
02:32And you signed them, yes?
02:33Yes, I did.
02:34And my cats were the witnesses.
02:35It's their cute little paws.
02:39There.
02:40When did you begin recording Dr. Oseal?
02:44Well, at first, it was just my answering machine doing it.
02:48I mean, it would just record people.
02:50It was like it had this will of its own.
02:52Hello?
02:53Are you still there?
02:54Oh my God.
02:55I think it's recording us.
02:57But then, because I had all that equipment for my business, yes, I did start recording him.
03:04I'm gonna, oh yeah, uh-huh.
03:07I'm gonna increase your dose of Prozac because I'm a hunk, a hunk of burning love.
03:13That's him doing Elvis.
03:17And sometimes when we kiss, the honesty is too much.
03:20And it makes me want to do you on the kitchen floor.
03:24That's a love poem.
03:25This is what he considers a love poem.
03:30I like that.
03:31I like that a lot, Dr. Daddy.
03:36I did a baby voice with him a lot.
03:39Miss Smith, can you take us back to that Halloween,
03:42the one where El Jerome Oseal alleges Eric confesses to him?
03:48Well, he knew I wanted to break up with him,
03:50so he used Lyle and Eric to suck me back in.
03:53Judelon, I'm, I'm serious.
03:55He's on his way over, and I'm scared, and I need your help.
04:00What?
04:01I brought a loaded gun.
04:03I borrowed it from my neighbor.
04:05And Miss Smith, could you hear
04:06what they were saying inside the office?
04:08No, just Eric crying and Lyle shouting.
04:15So you didn't hear them threaten El Jerome Oseal?
04:22No.
04:23The only thing I heard Lyle say was...
04:28Hawaii, huh?
04:29Well, you will have a great time in Hawaii.
04:32Hawaii, huh?
04:33Well, you will have a great time wherever you go.
04:36I mean, you can't go wrong.
04:38Good luck, Dr. Oseal.
04:39Good luck, Dr. Oseal.
04:41Correct.
04:42And Jerry was not scared after they left.
04:45There's $14 million at stake.
04:48Judelon.
04:49I mean, and I just want to help them invest it.
04:51And yes, AutoMaxx is my company,
04:54but it's also a great investment.
04:56And then it got dark.
05:02Ah!
05:03Stop it!
05:04Shh!
05:05Ah!
05:09That's it.
05:12Swallow.
05:18But other than that, everything is stabilized.
05:21Yes.
05:23She has tried to do this before,
05:25but I'm her doctor.
05:28I can take it from here.
05:32Okay.
05:38Now, if you ever leave me,
05:40I will have you committed.
05:47He kept telling me that Eric was coming after me.
05:52And I kept having nightmares.
05:56And he kept mentioning
05:58how Kitty's eye was dangling from the socket
06:01when they found her over and over again.
06:06He said my mom was a witch who was going to poison me.
06:10He used the word thorns to hypnotize me.
06:13So whenever he would say thorns, my mind would just go blank.
06:17He raped me.
06:19Two times he raped me.
06:21Has L. Jerome Oseal ever been accused
06:25of assaulting other patients?
06:27Objection. Relevance.
06:28It's extremely relevant, I'd say,
06:30of having sex with them,
06:32of giving them drugs without prescriptions.
06:34Objection.
06:35Sustained.
06:36Of having them also call him Dr. Daddy?
06:39I said sustained.
06:41Strike that from the record.
06:42Withdrawn.
06:44When you went to the police,
06:45is it true you went there for safety?
06:47For protection against this man who had raped you
06:49and who you feared would kill you?
06:51Yes, Your Honor.
06:52And what did they do about it?
06:54Absolutely nothing.
06:56Nothing?
06:59Ms. Smith, are you in love with Dr. Oseal?
07:03God, no.
07:06So you're not just saying all this
07:08because you wouldn't divorce his wife
07:10and have kids with you?
07:11I did not want kids that looked like him.
07:19Thank you, Ms. Smith.
07:20No further questions.
07:22Let's break here for lunch.
07:24Back at 130.
07:25Jurors, I remind you not to deliberate
07:27or discuss the case.
07:36Did you feel that?
07:39No.
07:40Feel what?
07:4214 million, bro.
07:44I mean, I always thought
07:45that it was gonna be more like 30.
07:47I think that it probably is more like 30
07:49that we'll get from the estate,
07:50but let's just say that it's fucking 14.
07:52You got legal fees, though.
07:53Okay, so 13.
07:54I'm just saying, I feel like
07:55I've been thinking ahead this whole time
07:56because I've always known
07:57that this was gonna go our way,
07:58so I got the dream all figured out for myself.
07:59Mr. Buffalo's, the book.
08:03And there's gonna be a movie?
08:05You know that, right?
08:07Eric, they're gonna make
08:08a fucking movie about us.
08:11E, who's gonna play us?
08:14I don't know, Lyle.
08:15I think that you and I need to figure out
08:17a way that we're in charge
08:18of decisions like that.
08:19Okay, yeah.
08:20I'm just saying,
08:21start thinking about your dream, man.
08:23What you want to do when this is all over,
08:25because we're almost there.
08:27We fucking did it.
08:29We fucking did it.
08:30And all those fuckheads
08:31who say that we're, what?
08:33We're serial killers
08:34like Jeffrey Dahmer?
08:35Dahmer's cousins.
08:36They can eat shit.
08:38They can eat shit.
08:40Brian Bosworth,
08:41he'd be a great fucking Lyle.
08:43I was thinking maybe Rob Lowe
08:45could play you?
08:46Yeah.
08:47I was thinking maybe Rob Lowe
08:48could play you?
08:51He's sexy.
08:57Um, we should make him audition.
09:17We should make him audition.
09:47♪♪
09:55-♪♪
09:59Open the gates! Open the gates!
10:02-♪♪
10:07-♪♪
10:14-♪♪
10:16Hello, I need to speak to somebody
10:17at the L.A. County Men's Jail.
10:19Leslie, I smell gas. We need to get out of here.
10:21Okay, I just need to know if the building is there.
10:24Leslie, we need to go.
10:25I need to know if the building is standing.
10:27Can you tell me if the building is standing?
10:28Get off the phone. We need to go.
10:30Oh, shit.
10:32-♪♪
10:37Leslie.
10:38I just talked to Lyle.
10:39Oh, thank God. You got through?
10:41Yes, he's fine. They're both fine.
10:42Tossed around, but they're doing okay.
10:44-♪♪
10:47They don't stop.
10:48How is it by you? You're in Westwood?
10:50We're at Cheviot Hills, but the house is new construction,
10:53and I thought it was gonna collapse.
10:55I got ahold of Weisberg,
10:56said there's no way it's gonna be safe to continue here.
10:59He's open to other options,
11:00said we can, like, lease a courtroom that's downtown.
11:03Well, at least it's an easier commute for Eric and Lyle.
11:07Malkovich, dude.
11:08John fucking Malkovich.
11:09That is who played me on Saturday Night Live.
11:11Norma Sawett said it was fucking awesome.
11:13We are fucking famous.
11:15And it's not just the trial. It's us.
11:17Our ratings went through the fucking roof.
11:20They're off the charts, Eric.
11:24You know it's okay to cry
11:25when you get up there on the stand, right?
11:28Yeah.
11:31I mean...
11:33Here I am telling you you're the actor and the screenwriter.
11:39Not that you're acting.
11:42No, I know what you mean.
11:47I just mean with, like, the lemon and the cinnamon.
11:53It's okay to, like, get emotional or whatever.
11:57Lyle, I've got this.
12:04You're gonna bring us home today.
12:07Please state your name.
12:08Eric Galen Menendez.
12:10M-E-N-E-N-D-E-Z.
12:14Mr. Menendez, you're aware of the idiosyncrasies
12:17with that microphone?
12:20If you're too close, it pops.
12:22If you're too far away, we can't hear you.
12:24Yes. Yes. That's right.
12:26Okay.
12:27So if you could just put yourself at a middle distance.
12:31Okay.
12:33I think you need to come in.
12:38Okay. That's too close.
12:40Eric, just...
12:41Okay.
12:42Okay. Just right there.
12:44Okay.
12:45Come on, Eric. Let's go.
12:47I just... I felt like I wasn't important.
12:50You're popping the mic.
12:54I figured you'd punish me in some way, because...
12:57Eric, you need to sit back. You're popping the mic.
13:02She was recording my calls, and she tapped my phone.
13:05Back up from the mic.
13:07She tapped...
13:09She tapped my phone.
13:11Well, she would put a...
13:13She used...
13:14She used to put...
13:16I think the microphone is too low.
13:18Okay.
13:19That's why...
13:20Deputy, well, can we find a position for that mic?
13:22Can you just sit back in the chair?
13:25Just sit back.
13:27Just try to keep it there.
13:29Okay?
13:31Okay. Go on.
13:33There was Tupperware in the closet.
13:37He's fucking this up. He looks like a fucking psycho.
13:40In the middle between what and what?
13:43In between my bedroom and my parents' bedroom.
13:45Sit back from the mic.
13:48Just back up from the mic.
13:50Just like that. Just back up.
13:51You need to sit back a little bit, because you're popping the mic.
13:53So just put your back against the back of the chair.
13:57Leave it there. Okay?
13:59And you were 11?
14:01I was 11.
14:02The reason you're having trouble is you're not facing it.
14:04You need to face the mic.
14:06Okay. I know.
14:08I need to use the restroom.
14:10I need a break.
14:11Okay. We'll take a recess.
14:20What do you believe was the originating cause
14:25of you and your brother ultimately shooting your parents?
14:32Um...
14:34Me telling...
14:37You telling what?
14:39Uh...
14:41Me telling Lyle that, uh...
14:44It was you telling Lyle what?
14:46My dad...
14:52My...
14:54My...
14:56Okay. It was you telling Lyle what?
14:59Now what?
15:02My dad...
15:09My...
15:10Can you answer the question?
15:11Yes.
15:13My dad...
15:14My dad had been molested.
15:17And did you want something from your brother?
15:20Is that why you told him?
15:25I just wanted it to stop.
15:30Were there different kinds of molestation, Eric?
15:34Yes. Yes.
15:36And would you tell us...
15:38What were the names you gave?
15:41Uh...
15:42Nice.
15:44Nice?
15:46That was one kind?
15:48Yes.
15:49Okay. What was another type?
15:52Um...
15:53Nice sex.
15:54Into the mic.
15:55Nice sex.
15:57What was another kind?
15:59Um...
16:03Okay. What was another type?
16:10Um...
16:12Rough...
16:14Rough sex.
16:21Mr. Menendez...
16:23You and your brother shot your parents.
16:27You did a lot of lying.
16:29Objection. Argumentative.
16:32You lied. You lied to reporters.
16:36You lied to family members.
16:38You lied to detectives.
16:40But now you're telling the truth.
16:43Is that a question?
16:45Are you telling the truth?
16:46Yes.
16:47Now, about everything?
16:48Yes.
16:49You're not lying?
16:50No.
16:51About anything?
16:52Yes.
16:53And did you truly go to the Santa Monica Big Five
16:57on the morning of August 18th to buy handguns?
17:01Yes. Yes. Without a doubt, I did.
17:03And you and Lyle looked in the case
17:06and then you were told you couldn't leave the store with the handguns
17:10because there was a 15-day wait.
17:12Is that right?
17:13Yes.
17:14Now, Mr. Menendez,
17:16did you know that Big Five stopped carrying handguns in 1986?
17:23No, I do not know that.
17:26Oh, okay.
17:29Ms. Buzanich, there were guns there.
17:31Uh-huh.
17:32And we did look at them,
17:34and the guy said that we could not leave the store with them.
17:37So I...
17:43Now, this all happened in 1989?
17:46Yes.
17:48Uh-huh.
17:49Now, um, Mr. Menendez,
17:52you have lied in the past,
17:55but you're not lying now?
17:58No.
18:01Okay. No further questions.
18:04Why'd you say that?
18:07Hmm?
18:09Why'd you say that we tried to buy a gun at Big Five?
18:12Lyle, I told you because that's what I remembered.
18:17I was telling the truth.
18:19No, we tried to buy fucking handguns
18:21at a gun store on fucking Sepulveda in West L.A.
18:24The Big Five in Santa Monica sold BB guns
18:27right next to the fucking fishing rods.
18:29That's why we had to drive down to San Diego, you fuck.
18:32Okay, well, I'm so sorry, Lyle.
18:34I wasn't looking at a fucking map.
18:36I didn't have a goddamn Thomas guide in my lap.
18:38I went up there, and I gave the performance of a fucking lifetime.
18:40You go up there, and they catch you in a lie.
18:42I wasn't lying!
18:43How can you say that?
18:45I was up there for hours.
18:47You look like a psycho.
18:48You look like you wanted to fucking kill somebody, Eric.
18:50Yeah, because of that fucking microphone.
18:52It's a fucking inanimate object.
18:53Why are you fucking with it and leaning in and leaning out?
18:55Just sit the fuck still.
18:56Sit in one fucking spot.
18:57Answer the questions like we practice.
18:59I will not let you blame me for this.
19:01This is not my fault.
19:02You did this.
19:03You made me do this, this whole thing.
19:05It was your idea.
19:08You didn't just say that.
19:12I did this?
19:14Me?
19:16You're the one that's obsessed with Billionaire Boys Club.
19:18You are the one who wrote a screenplay about murdering your parents,
19:22which, I'm sorry, at the risk of repeating myself,
19:25what in the fuck kind of lame-ass title is Friends?
19:28Who's going to watch something called Friends, Eric?
19:30How fucking dare you?
19:32I'm sorry.
19:34Who's going to watch something called Friends, Eric?
19:36How fucking dare you, you piece of shit?
19:39I could have gone up there on that witness stand,
19:41and I could have said that this all happened
19:43because Mom and Dad were recording your phone calls,
19:45and they found you saying a bunch of fucking gay shit.
19:47They found out that you and Craig Signorelli
19:50were gobbling each other's dongs
19:52and a bunch of other fucking unholy shit.
19:55I could have said that you came to me,
19:57and you fucking begged me to help you do something about it.
20:00I'm not gay, Lyle.
20:01Yeah, well, you fucked us.
20:05You made this happen.
20:07This is your fault.
20:14Really?
20:17Says the guy who blew our dad's head off
20:19and shot our mom in the face.
20:22Eric, let's not forget what they did to us, okay?
20:27They got exactly what they deserved.
20:35Okay.
20:44The delivery went great. Easy.
20:47And he's healthy?
20:49Your son is perfect.
20:51Healthy, 7 pounds, 5 ounces.
20:53Would you like to hold him?
20:59Hi.
21:05Hey, Kirk Cameron's a good actor.
21:08It's just not sexy.
21:10You know?
21:12Like, Lyle Menendez has sex appeal.
21:14Check this out.
21:18You know who this is?
21:20Timber Dawn.
21:21That's my girlfriend.
21:22What?
21:23Fuck you.
21:24No fucking way.
21:25Swear to God, I'll show you the letters.
21:35Getting tired of these aftershocks.
21:37Gonna be over soon.
21:38We're getting further and further apart.
21:42Hey, you ready?
21:48Hey, sweetheart.
21:50Congratulations.
21:52How's the new baby?
21:56He's beautiful.
21:59He's beautiful.
22:05But today is about you.
22:10Let's go get you out of here, okay?
22:17The burden of proof in this case is on the prosecution
22:22beyond a reasonable doubt.
22:25Now, you're going to be instructed
22:27on imperfect self-defense,
22:29which means that when somebody has an honest
22:32and in-good-faith belief that they are in danger
22:36and they defend themselves,
22:38they cannot be convicted of more than manslaughter.
22:41Now, the prosecution is gonna say that this was about money,
22:46but you heard from Marta Cano
22:48that the boys knew they were out of the will,
22:50and they knew they weren't getting
22:52that $5 million life insurance policy
22:54because they wouldn't take the physical.
22:56So if they had waited two weeks,
22:58they would have gotten that $5 million.
23:01So why not just wait if it was all about the money?
23:05The prosecution is gonna point to the fact
23:08that they bought shotguns.
23:10Does that mean they were planning to shoot their parents?
23:14Let me ask you this.
23:15If you live in a neighborhood
23:17and there's been a lot of burglaries
23:19and you buy a gun,
23:21are you planning to kill?
23:23No.
23:24You're defending yourself.
23:26If they were planning to kill,
23:28why wouldn't they just wait two weeks for handguns?
23:31Why buy two great, booming shotguns?
23:36The prosecution is hoping that you're going to forget
23:39about Cousin Andy,
23:41who Eric told when he was 12
23:43how his father massaged his penis
23:46and how it hurt,
23:48and he had to ask him if that was normal
23:52or how about Cousin Al,
23:54who said that Jose made Eric and Lyle shower together,
23:58how he beat them black and blue,
24:00how when the abuse started at the age of 6,
24:03Eric went from being a totally happy kid
24:06to completely withdrawn.
24:09Or Cousin Diane,
24:10who said that Eric and Lyle would have to fight
24:13for the privilege of not having to sleep with their mother.
24:16Or Coach Wadlington,
24:18who testified, and I quote,
24:20Jose Menendez was the worst parent
24:23and the harshest person he had ever met.
24:28Eric and Lyle, they win us glory and bring us fame,
24:33and they'll be our perfect little lab rats.
24:36Pins and tacks, like this,
24:39into his thigh
24:41and scraped along his penis.
24:45It's ironic that Jose and Kitty should die under the trophy case
24:48because that's all those boys were to them.
24:50Trophies.
24:51They did not talk in this family.
24:53Perverted sexual experiments
24:57and serious abusers are very possessive of their experiments.
25:01Well, the problem is that children that have been abused
25:04the way these two were,
25:05they don't always turn out to be such perfect little products.
25:09We don't respect children very much in this country.
25:12We think they lie.
25:13We think they make things up.
25:14We think they fantasize.
25:15We think they fantasize.
25:16Well, no wonder children who were abused
25:18have a hard time trusting adults.
25:20If my clients' names were Lila and Erica Menendez,
25:26would it make any difference to you?
25:28Because if it would, it shouldn't.
25:30Boys are not supposed to be the victims,
25:33but sometimes they are,
25:35and you must not, you must not blame the victim.
25:40I realize I've given you a long closing argument,
25:47and that is because the minute I am finished,
25:50Eric is out of my hands,
25:56and I don't want to let him go,
26:01just like Jill doesn't want to let go of Lyle.
26:08You know, people have asked me
26:13what I want out of all of this,
26:16and my answer is not necessarily a legal one.
26:26I want to see Eric walking down the street,
26:31no handcuffs, no shackles,
26:37walking free from all of this.
26:46Whatever happens now depends on you.
26:55You've been a remarkable jury,
26:58and I thank you.
27:02Fucking got this, dude.
27:06The, uh, Cuban chick and the black chick,
27:09they're, like, looking at each other.
27:11There's no way they say guilty.
27:15Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
27:20Could be a mistrial.
27:21We could have to do the whole thing all over again.
27:23Eric, it's too expensive.
27:25This trial cost, what, millions of taxpayer dollars,
27:28and for what, to try to convict two people
27:30who, like, America loves?
27:32Fuck off.
27:33People aren't gonna let them come for us again.
27:35People will flip the fuck out.
27:42I don't know.
27:44Just kind of feels like...
27:47Like what?
27:49Hmm.
28:01Like something shifted.
28:05The whole city's on edge.
28:08First the riots, then the earthquake.
28:11Now waiting on this verdict.
28:15Oh, oh, oh.
28:17You know who's terrified of the earthquakes?
28:21Eric Menendez.
28:23In fact, he's on suicide watch.
28:28Completely losing it, evidently.
28:33He just writes all night long
28:36some kind of science fiction novel.
28:40Once again, he had escaped safely
28:42through the warlocks' portal
28:44and back to the 17th dimension.
28:47He's painting, too.
28:52And guess what?
28:54He's good.
28:56Well, handier with a shotgun than most artists I know.
28:59Oh, and here's the best part.
29:02Eric's got a girlfriend.
29:04I'm not sure how it would work.
29:06I'm not sure how these feelings
29:08have taken me over in the way that they have.
29:11But I do know that they are genuine.
29:13I feel like I've known you forever, Eric,
29:16and that I'm going to know you for the rest of my life.
29:19All my love.
29:20Timmy, who are these women who want to date these psychopaths?
29:24What does she get out of them?
29:25Well, this one's not getting conjugal visits,
29:28if that's what you mean,
29:30which I imagine suits Eric just fine.
29:34Oh!
29:36Do you feel that?
29:39Jesus Christ, they just don't stop.
29:42Tim!
29:43Tim!
29:46It's okay. It's okay.
29:48We're okay.
29:49Just breathe.
29:51Everything's fine.
29:58My nerves are just shot.
30:01I'm so raw.
30:03I mean, that wasn't even a big one.
30:05It was not.
30:09They forgot how helpless they are.
30:14They just can't relax.
30:17It's like you never know what's coming.
30:22Yeah, I know.
30:25But the thing that's coming that you're worried about
30:29isn't another earthquake.
30:33I do think Lyle was a genius on the witness stand,
30:39maybe an evil genius,
30:41but I can't say the same about Eric.
30:44I watched that jury,
30:46and I don't think he connected with them.
30:49And how about that Judilon?
30:51Hey, Mr. Dunn?
30:53Mr. Dunn.
30:54Hi.
30:55Hi.
30:56Judilon Smith.
30:58Hi.
30:59Judilon Smith.
31:01Hi.
31:02So, look,
31:04Demi got her cover,
31:06and Michelle Pfeiffer got hers,
31:08and look, I get it. They're stars.
31:10Wait.
31:11You mean the cover of Vanity Fair?
31:13I guess what I'm wondering is,
31:15do you have Graydon Carter's direct line?
31:17Because no matter how many times I call,
31:19I get the same bitch at the front desk.
31:22If you had to guess,
31:24first degree, voluntary manslaughter,
31:28do they just get off entirely?
31:31I honestly do not know.
31:36But this I do know.
31:41If that jury lets them go free,
31:46those two dead souls
31:49will walk the Earth
31:53and haunt them.
31:58Karma's gonna come for them.
32:01All rise.
32:28After much deliberation,
32:31this jury unfortunately remains deadlocked
32:34and unable to reach a verdict.
32:37This is what we call a hung jury.
32:40And so I'm afraid I'm going to
32:43declare a mistrial.
32:46Please, everybody, just hang on, please.
32:52Hang on, please.
32:54Come on, folks.
32:55This is a good thing.
32:56This is a good thing.
32:58I tell you, if we're not guilty, then what?
33:01Let's just talk about it.
33:02Yeah, but how does this happen?
33:05Blame the men.
33:15Order, please.
33:19As you know,
33:21we are gonna have to do this all over again.
33:25And you ladies, my heroes,
33:29you are the ones that came around to believe
33:32Eric was either not guilty
33:35or guilty of manslaughter.
33:37So I'm gonna pick your brains a little.
33:40What was it?
33:42What did we miss?
33:44What did those men hear
33:46that just made it so they would not budge?
33:49And what do you think they needed to hear?
33:54Well, I felt towards the end
33:57like Eric and Lyle were my sons.
34:00And I just think, you know,
34:03that maternal instinct,
34:06maybe men just don't have it.
34:08I just don't think you would kill your parents like that
34:12unless something bad happened.
34:14I mean, I don't think this.
34:16I think they think it.
34:17I think they think that sexual abuse
34:20doesn't happen to boys.
34:23Okay, what else?
34:26Were we, I'm sorry,
34:28you said we, could we call him?
34:33Hi, Eric, it's your gal.
34:36Hi, Eric.
34:37We just wanted to say,
34:38my name is Tina, by the way,
34:39it's so nice to meet you officially,
34:41even though I feel like I already know you,
34:42but I just wanted to say
34:43that we're all really, really sorry
34:45and we don't feel like justice was served here.
34:49Eric, did you hear that?
34:56Leslie, can I just talk to you, please?
35:01Sure.
35:02One sec.
35:04Hi, how you doing?
35:07You sound so down.
35:12Yeah, I am.
35:15Well, keep your spirits up, okay?
35:17We are gonna win this, I promise you.
35:20No, you can't promise that.
35:25Oh, Eric.
35:27Something's different, you know?
35:32Like in the media,
35:34they've all turned against us, you know?
35:39I'm getting all this hate mail now.
35:42That never used to happen.
35:46So...
35:50I don't know.
35:51It just feels like something's different.
35:57I don't know what it is, but...
36:02It just kind of seems like it's all over.
36:10No, I'm just not gonna let you get down like that, okay?
36:13We're gonna win this.
36:14No, it's okay. I'll just talk to you later.
36:22Thank you. Get home safe, everybody.
36:26Bye.
36:27Bye.
36:30Actually, Miss Abramson,
36:34if you really do want to know what the issue was,
36:38or one of the issues,
36:40I think the other ladies didn't want to say.
36:43Well, please, tell me.
36:45Well, the big thing with the men,
36:49I mean, they really didn't like Eric or Lyle, that's true.
36:53But you were the thing.
36:58I mean, for what it's worth,
37:01they didn't like you.
37:04Oh.
37:06Well, thank you for telling me that.
37:09It's fine.
37:10Oh, of course.
37:12Thank you again.
37:19We just have some bad news.
37:23A lot of it.
37:25Good.
37:27I don't know another way to put it.
37:30I don't know another way to put it.
37:34The easiest place to start is there's no money.
37:40I'm not really worried about money.
37:42You should be, because there's none of it.
37:45And unless Leslie and I start working pro bono...
37:48There is money.
37:49Trust me, there is not.
37:51There's gonna be money.
37:53So let's just get through this,
37:55and what I'd like you to do is keep a log of your hours,
37:59and then we will pay you.
38:03I will pay you.
38:10There's gonna be a book.
38:13I'm writing a book,
38:15and my friend Norma is helping me,
38:17although she is really more of kind of like a secretary-type position,
38:21but she is just completely obsessed with me.
38:25She's definitely in love with me.
38:28It's really quite special.
38:30And, yeah, she's helping me write it.
38:34She's writing the book, Lyle.
38:37Well, we're both working on it, but, yeah, it is my book.
38:41No, I mean the book's coming out,
38:46because you let her record you.
38:50So now she's releasing the recordings.
38:57That's the book?
39:01No, it isn't.
39:03Lyle, you told her everything.
39:10I told you I can move a jury,
39:12because I've been practicing crying,
39:15and I'm getting so good at crying.
39:19We need to come up with a story about Ozeal
39:21and why we didn't tell him about the sex stuff,
39:24or we could say he's blackmailing us.
39:29I obviously overreacted that night,
39:32referring to the night of the murders.
39:36Then she says,
39:38Lyle told me about all the types of child abuse
39:41he planned to use in the trial.
39:44That's a fucking lie! That is a fucking lie, Jill!
39:46I never fucking said that!
39:48She recorded you!
39:51Do you know what this means?
39:54No.
39:56It means that you can be cross-examined
39:59about everything that you said if you testify.
40:07Okay, so...
40:10So you can't testify.
40:12Not in the second trial.
40:15Lyle, this guts our defense.
40:26So you are going to have to rely on Eric.
40:30What? No, no, no.
40:33Lyle, um...
40:38I no longer feel like I can defend you,
40:43and I want to help you find a good public defender,
40:47but I will not be working on your second trial.
40:52I am sorry.
40:54Fuck.
40:56And according to the latest reports, they are completely broke.
40:59You know, so I said to myself, I said,
41:01would people really, would people really donate money
41:04to the Menendez brothers?
41:06You familiar with the Menendez brothers' case?
41:08The Menendez brothers.
41:10The Menendez brothers. What kind of talk is that?
41:14So it's all on you now, but, you know,
41:17in a way, I think that makes our life simpler.
41:20You've always been more sympathetic.
41:23Well, that's not true.
41:25Yes, it is. You're a much better witness than Lyle.
41:31Well, we can't argue self-defense now, so...
41:35No.
41:37The, uh, judge...
41:42doesn't want another hung jury,
41:44so imperfect self-defense is off the table.
41:49Well, that was the truth.
41:52That's what it was. That was our whole defense.
41:55Well, we'll argue something else.
41:57I mean, I know you don't like hearing this,
41:59but, Eric, there is no evidence
42:01that you were the one to kill your mom or your dad.
42:04You may have shot at them, but it was Lyle that killed him.
42:07He administered the fatal blow to the back of your dad's head,
42:11and I'm just saying he went outside
42:13to reload while your mother was still alive.
42:15Do you know how much people hate you?
42:20No. Do you know, though?
42:23Like, you didn't do a good job.
42:28You put me in glasses that I don't need.
42:32You put us in pastels.
42:36It didn't work.
42:40Eric.
42:41None of it worked.
42:43And now everybody fucking hates us.
42:45My life is over.
42:47No, it isn't.
42:48Shut the fuck up!
42:49Just shut your fucking mouth!
42:52You don't fucking know!
42:55You don't fucking know!
42:57Okay? I know.
43:01How are you gonna help me?
43:04How are you gonna fix this?
43:14You can't.
43:31Get up.
43:33Clean an old cell block today.
43:36Why?
43:39We got a VIP coming in.
43:42OJ Simpson is in that Fort Bronco with Al Cowlings.
43:45OJ, according to the CHP, has a gun to his head
43:49and is saying that he wants to be driven to his mother's.
43:52Again, we're on the 405 northbound
43:55and, uh, just south of Fort Bronco.
43:58405 northbound and, uh, just past Manchester.
44:02I think he's probably at, uh, Lanzarote by now.
44:06The highway patrol and the LAPD
44:09and at least a dozen police cars,
44:12Code 3 lights and sirens pursuing,
44:15or I should say following OJ Simpson
44:19as he continues to travel what we would assume to be
44:22towards his Brentwood home.
44:28Can we call you Juice?
44:31You're the guards.
44:34Call me whatever you want.
44:37Juice is fine with me.
44:43Make yourself at home, okay?
44:45Why don't you get situated, Juice?
44:47Yeah, you guys got anything to eat?
44:49We'll get you something.
44:51Thanks, man.
44:53My man.
44:58♪♪♪♪
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45:24Hey, OJ?
45:28OJ?
45:29Yeah, who is that?
45:30I'm Eric.
45:32Eric Menendez.
45:34No shit?
45:35Yeah.
45:37Like one of the brothers?
45:39Mm-hmm.
45:40Your other brother in there with you?
45:42No, he's in a different wing.
45:47Shit, man.
45:48Y'all been here for a while.
45:51Yeah, like three years.
45:56We're about to have a whole other trial.
45:59I tell you what, I'm not gonna be in here long.
46:02Because I didn't fucking do it, you know?
46:06Nicole hit me.
46:09Do you hear what they're saying out there about me?
46:11Yeah.
46:13Yeah, I did.
46:16I heard that, uh, well, is this right?
46:19That, um, Robert Shapiro is your lawyer?
46:25Yeah.
46:27I mean, I'm getting a bunch.
46:30You know what I'm saying.
46:31Yeah, but, uh, I just wanted to tell you that, um...
46:36Well, he was our lawyer, too.
46:39And actually, he, uh...
46:42Well, you should just watch out for him,
46:46because he kind of fucked us.
46:51Like, I could have stayed in London,
46:54and I wouldn't be up for the death penalty, probably.
46:58But he was the one that told me to come home, so...
47:03Thanks for the advice.
47:05Did you see all those people lined up on the 405?
47:08Like, that was crazy.
47:10Yeah, folks love O.J.
47:12I guess it's just hard not to think
47:14that people are gonna stop paying attention to us
47:17and just kind of pay attention to you.
47:21Could I tell you one more thing?
47:24Yeah, sure.
47:26You should consider a plea bargain.
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