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00:00:00Technically candle shooting will be the more problematic of the two I'm not so
00:00:26sure because like with Anavae and Sylvanas there's a there's an unusually
00:00:31large age gap between them. Sylvanas is the superior officer and Anavae is
00:00:43rather deeply codependent with her.
00:00:56The Digimon Omniship. Look if you remove two characters that stops being a
00:01:02problem. Right.
00:01:14Thanks to the Sylvanas and Asajj Ventress we could have gotten along. Chrissy Golden and the both dirty.
00:01:18Oh they're in the same they're in the same golden fucked me over support group.
00:01:22What Omniship Omniship oh it's the the eight Digidestined all at once. Oh yeah.
00:01:39We are counting just ship it for the horny ships right no you have to you
00:01:42have to genuinely like it. Right.
00:01:52I don't know which one I don't know which
00:02:22of which of those I don't know which of those two is worse.
00:02:29Well I guess well I guess that depends cuz um like Aria like Ariana Anavae is
00:02:41your character and like and so what makes the ship problematic is like
00:02:48within your control within your direct control so I guess it depends like if
00:02:55that if that little tidbit does not like like disqualify it from the spirit of
00:03:00the question. I'm gonna say it doesn't disqualify it. Okay.
00:03:16Yeah I'm yeah I'm teetering on it either which way it is close.
00:03:46It's quite funny outside of those two every other relationship I write is like
00:04:10perfectly fine. Oh yeah.
00:04:20Reminded me of that King Sombra OC fanfic I wrote as a kid. You were into King Sombra as a kid.
00:04:28Oh God. That's really outside your very pastel you're very pastel present.
00:04:42I was 15.
00:04:47I was very edgy. I was very. Oh I have to read this fanfic now.
00:05:10It's just like lining up every relationship I write. Here they are. They're all very wholesome
00:05:14and wonderful. What about the what about those two. Those are therapy.
00:05:21As I'm up to Mr. Freeze pipeline had many twists and turns.
00:05:28Fuck you Lex.
00:05:37These aren't disqualified. In that case. I have no idea who those are. Noob Lord.
00:05:44Mordecai and Rigby.
00:06:02Now it's done downloading. All right back to work.
00:06:05Hmm.
00:06:11On the cover of the Rolling Stones.
00:06:42Look just give us the tickets and we'll leave you alone. Wait that's all you wanted.
00:06:50Yeah. Why didn't you just ask. I gave them to Jude this morning.
00:06:58Oh yeah. I forgot.
00:07:04Last one there. I only ate one of your chocolate bars.
00:07:07Oh that's it. What is with you.
00:07:34Burn it. Off you go. Oh here. Remember. Well somebody better pay soon.
00:07:40Wait I can't. I know him. Leon Shreds jacket incident. Remember.
00:07:47Periods years before turning red made it acceptable to talk about it on American TV.
00:07:51I'd say if you like delving into animation history 16 should be on your radar.
00:07:59I have the dragon in my sights.
00:08:06I'd say if you like delving into animation history 16 should be on your radar.
00:08:11Oops.
00:08:17It was the typical I can fix it pipeline. Yeah I can fix that pipeline is a strong one.
00:08:23For Gore.
00:08:25Nikki seducing the clones to the punk side. We're actually saying earlier Nikki like.
00:08:32Like if 16 aired today you would see people shipping Nikki with the clones on the basis of like you know turning I'm not like other girls into lesbians.
00:08:46Oh yeah.
00:08:52Nikki would be in a gay polycule with the with the both of them.
00:08:58Perfect.
00:09:02Okay. Yeah I'm OK. Just a little scowl headache.
00:09:07Oh you need to get some water.
00:09:10What kind of a headache. How's it feel.
00:09:17It's kind of on like it's kind of in like the front.
00:09:25It's like hanging. If that makes sense. Do you have a blue light filter on. I do.
00:09:37Are the blinds drawn. The blinds are drawn.
00:09:42Open the blinds open the window.
00:09:46OK.
00:09:58And then get some water.
00:10:00OK.
00:10:02Lloyd in space yet another show that really couldn't possibly air today. It's another slice of life show but the hook is that it takes place on us.
00:10:09I've heard people say oh man you couldn't air this show today. They're always talking about like man they used to make racist jokes and I thought that was funny.
00:10:16But when I talk about it it's like man the lore bongers wouldn't let this shit go.
00:10:34Lloyd in space yet another show that really couldn't possibly air today. It's another slice of life show but the hook is that it takes place on a space station between a bunch of aliens.
00:10:41The titular Lloyd is your old fashioned green alien with.
00:10:50The titular Lloyd is your old fashioned green alien with an antenna and then.
00:11:01The titular Lloyd is your old fashioned green alien with an antenna and then you have one token human a giant blob monster voiced by Patrick Starr and a sentient brain.
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00:14:23around a genderless alien named Zoid.
00:14:24As the boys start arguing with a group of girls, one of the guys genders Zoid as male,
00:14:28it starts an argument with a group of girls about whose music is better.
00:14:41They decide to ask Zoid for their input, only for Zoid to
00:14:44I guess I'd have to say that Aurora's music is sparse, allowing the themes of suffering
00:14:47and depression to resonate in her lyrics, while Total Cosmic Annihilation is pure power.
00:14:52Their music assaults your ears with the force of a solar windstorm.
00:14:55So there you go.
00:14:56Hope that helps.
00:14:57Go full YouTuber on it.
00:14:58Well done, Zoid.
00:14:59Then, when one of the guys genders Zoid as male.
00:15:01Aha!
00:15:02Ah.
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00:15:50With monsters and rainbows.
00:15:52But this test can't fail.
00:15:53For bicycle racks?
00:15:54I fail to see how they will help.
00:15:56I hear Zoid rides a bike to school.
00:15:58All we gotta do is wait till he comes out and hops on his bike to go home.
00:16:01Then we can see whether he rides a boy bike or a girl bike.
00:16:04It's as simple as that.
00:16:05Lloyd, you're a genius.
00:16:07And crack the puzzle.
00:16:09See you on Monday.
00:16:11See ya!
00:16:12See ya!
00:16:43Is there some kind of problem?
00:16:44Well, yeah, Zoit, they're a-
00:16:49Stop and ask them.
00:16:50And Zoit says...
00:16:52Oh, that. I thought you knew.
00:16:54I'm neither.
00:16:57Side note, anyone-
00:17:01As a dumb 15-year-old, I took up my sword and went out to White Knight for you in Hiding in Private's comment section.
00:17:06It was an eye-opening experience to save the li-
00:17:09SofaKing, that was...
00:17:12That was last year.
00:17:16How old are you?
00:17:19You gotta be like 16 now, I assume.
00:17:38...
00:17:56Yeah, 16.
00:17:57Okay, well, I actually really do not like minors interacting with me or being in my- in my stream chat.
00:18:03So, I would appreciate it if you left.
00:18:05...
00:18:07Yeah.
00:18:18...
00:18:23Side note, anyone miss when commercial breaks were used to establish tension?
00:18:26Anyway, Zoit explains that their species doesn't-
00:18:28Bye, have fun.
00:18:29Huh, that was painless.
00:18:31Hm, nice.
00:18:35...
00:18:39Thank you, have a good day.
00:18:40...
00:18:49Going to sleep now. See you, Moose.
00:18:50Side note, anyone miss when commercial breaks were used to establish tension?
00:18:53Anyway, Zoit explains that their species doesn't have a gender until they hit puberty, and-
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00:19:54Side note, anyone miss when commercial breaks were used to establish tension?
00:19:57Anyway, Zoit explains that their-
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00:20:02Side note, anyone miss when commercial breaks were used to establish tension?
00:20:05Anyway, Zoit exp-
00:20:07I need to put an ad break right after that.
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00:20:24Anyway, Zoit explains that their species doesn't have-
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00:20:31Thanks again, girls. That really hit the-
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00:20:35But, Zoit, that doesn't make any sen-
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00:20:41Girl!
00:20:42Nope.
00:20:43That is the freakiest thing I have ever heard.
00:20:45Maybe to you, but not to me. You see, I'm a predilicon.
00:20:48...
00:20:49Maybe to you, but not to me. You see, I'm a predilicon.
00:20:52And in my species, we're neither boy nor girl till our thirteenth birthday.
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00:20:59Zoit explains that their species doesn't have a gender until they hit puberty, and then choose what their gender's going to be.
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00:21:31Big, leading to an all-out battle of the sexes as the two groups of kids try to push Zoid
00:21:35in one direction over the other, with each of the guys all secretly getting into the
00:21:38feminine things they're watching Zoid do, so good job there, Zoid!
00:22:01Zoid eventually finds out they're being used and is rightfully upset about it, then the
00:22:25and flip and get rightfully upset about it, then the
00:22:38upset about it, then the groups feel bad about it and flip and give Zoid birthday gifts for
00:22:41the opposite gender as an apology, they're trying, they're not very bright, but they're
00:23:07trying, unfortunately they start arguing again, but this time, unfortunately they start arguing
00:23:15again, but this time Zoid cuts them off, and this time Zoid cuts them off, and really,
00:23:28unfortunately they start arguing again, but this time Zoid cuts them off, and really cuts
00:23:54them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and
00:24:12and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really
00:24:30cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and
00:25:00really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts
00:25:30them off, and really cuts them off, and really cuts them off.
00:26:00ignore Zoid's speech earlier in the episode, it's weirdly heteronormative for an episode
00:26:11about how gender essentialism is stifling and ignores the reality that gender identity
00:26:15and orientation are not mutually exclusive.
00:26:18However, it's not nearly as bad as five seasons of abusive codependent catgirl incest,
00:26:23so like, perspective, so like, perspective, so like, abusive codependent catgirl incest,
00:26:37so like, perspective, for 2002, perspective, for 2002, a show for children taking a moment
00:27:00to stop and say, hey, all this gender essentialism isn't just bad for me, it's bad for all
00:27:04of you as well, it's actually rather novel and touches on something we sometimes talk
00:27:08about but not enough, cisnormativity isn't, for 2002, a show for children taking a moment
00:27:17to talk about but not enough, cisnormativity isn't just bad for trans, talk about but not
00:27:32enough, cisnormativity isn't just, I can't hear codependent catgirl incest without saying
00:27:38it in the tmnt thing, oh yeah, that is our legacy, 1, 2, 3, 4, it not only backs up the
00:27:56speech earlier but also serves as payback for the kids getting so nosy about it in the
00:27:59first place, look, it's not a real problem, cisnormativity isn't just bad for trans people,
00:28:06it's bad for everyone, it harms everyone, puts pressure on everyone, and is used as a cudgel
00:28:11against people cis and trans alike, zoid sort of gestures to the root of the issue in that all of
00:28:26them are implying men and women can't actually be friends or like the same things, their perception
00:28:31of what it means to be a boy or a girl is centered on the stuff, consumption, what it means to be a
00:28:47boy or a girl is centered on the stuff, consumption, hobbies, things that aren't explicitly
00:28:52gendered, something that zoid themselves demonstrates earlier in the episode, it's
00:28:55similar to princess knight in that it's ostensibly about sexism but becomes an interesting look at
00:29:17gender identity because cisnormativity and sexism go hand in hand.
00:29:47These aren't issues that are separate from each other, especially as the modern day trans panic
00:30:17Continues to fester and rot
00:30:28Independent cat girl incest making gay rep slide back cat power
00:30:34Well done Jim
00:30:39You oh
00:30:41I wish oh
00:30:44What like my only notice I would have said kitty power
00:30:47Yeah
00:31:12First time I saw it was like when I saw Catra
00:31:15Like fucking five years ago my first thought my first thought was okay who made the who made an anime girl out of Garfield
00:31:29In that pussy
00:31:45Oh
00:31:57I am proud of myself. Thank you. I'm gonna go to hell for what I'm about to do
00:32:02Adore is the one coughing up hairballs. Oh
00:32:12She just went silent
00:32:15Oh wait, no, you didn't hear me no
00:32:22That are separate from each other
00:32:24Especially as the modern-day trans panic continues to fester and rot a lot of people analyzing this episode tend to mark it down for
00:32:30The last second heteronormativity toward the end
00:32:32But I think that's small potatoes compared to the surprisingly profound deconstruction of cis-normativity and the way in which
00:32:37Which
00:32:43Well analyzing this episode tend to mark it down for the last second heteronormativity toward the end
00:32:47But I think that's small potatoes compared to the surprisingly profound deconstruction of system
00:32:53Ken pushing me in pulling
00:32:57Rising Lee profound deconstruction of system orativity and the way in which the episode sticks to its guns by not revealing zoids
00:33:03In which the episode sticks to its guns by not revealing Zoids gender at the end and to that end
00:33:08How do we know Zoids not messing with them? I mean their crush could be on anyone not necessarily them
00:33:22The end and to that end, how do we know Zoids not messing with them?
00:33:25I mean their crush could be on anyone not necessarily them
00:33:29Especially since Zoid never appears after this and thus was never part of the group
00:33:32So yeah, I'm gonna say Zoid is good. No caveats. No asterisks. No, nothing Zoids just
00:33:38So, yeah, I'm gonna say Zoid is good no caveats
00:33:56Say Zoid is good. No caveats. No asterisks. No, nothing Zoids just damn good
00:34:02Asterisks. No, nothing Zoid
00:34:08And out someday when I get a crush on one of you see ya
00:34:18Zoids just damn good
00:34:26More like a joke than a sentencing for heteronormativity. Yeah
00:34:32I
00:34:39Take your girl decking crazy
00:34:52I mean look let's be honest with the way catcher behaves. Did Adora really have a choice in the matter? I
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00:35:00Wouldn't think so
00:35:14There's a robot Jones on the list I am unaware of what robot Jones does
00:35:26You
00:35:44Look there's a reason I put catcher at the very end of the lack of doodle-o-meter
00:35:56I
00:36:18Found out the other day the clear nail polish can stop the itch of a bug bite. Oh nice
00:36:27Who has no gender and what gender is from his male friends, but then tries out being a girl. Oh, yeah
00:36:35Hmm then they decide screw gender
00:36:49You intend to rivet ones
00:36:56Oh
00:37:02Gender I barely know her
00:37:06Wait, I see a girl's bathroom at a boy's bathroom then goes into the janitor closet because they are a robot
00:37:14What does the robot even need to excrete robots produce heat oil
00:37:27Like that cut that much oil is usually in an engine
00:37:30Robots are electronic. So I figure like if anything they've got like I figure if anything they just produce heat
00:37:38hmm
00:37:41Go to the janitor's closet to dispose of a heat sink
00:37:47I'll pop your thermal clip
00:37:56You
00:38:06Bad McKay
00:38:26You
00:38:39On this Christian minecraft server, there's no minecraft anywhere here
00:38:48Gravity falls got to have a pair of gay cops. Oh, that's they got to have a similar moment in the finale
00:38:56I
00:39:26You
00:39:56You
00:40:26I haven't seen this in years so I can't remember where the clip is
00:40:56You
00:41:16Yep, we're mad with power in love in other news
00:41:27You
00:41:40Got to have a pair of gay cops. Oh, well, that's they got
00:41:45You
00:41:54Oh
00:41:56That's they got to have a similar moment in the finale just like Kurosami to see me. Oh, that's they got to have a sip
00:42:04that's
00:42:07You
00:42:10That's they got to have a similar moment in the finale just like
00:42:15They got to have a similar moment in the finale just like Kurosami
00:42:17Steven universe went even further and gave an entire series long character arc for a character getting over the love of her life and then
00:42:23Later had several gay couples some of whom even got to be on screen and have like speaking roles
00:42:29Then just a few years later
00:42:30The She-Ra franchise was rebooted into She-Ra and the princesses of power which went even further and featured a series long
00:42:36romantic arc between the two lead characters who are
00:42:38Adopted sisters and one of them relentlessly stalks and abuses the other like Jason Dean on estrogen, but they kiss and that was a milestone
00:42:45Come on, Adora. You can't let distract
00:43:06You
00:43:36You
00:43:43Then just a few years later the She-Ra franchise was
00:43:47Then just a few years later
00:43:49The She-Ra franchise was rebooted into She-Ra and the princesses of power which went even further and featured a series long romantic
00:43:55She-Ra and the princesses of power which went even further and featured a series long romantic arc between the two lead characters who are adopted sister
00:44:02Then just a few years later the She-Ra franchise was rebooted into She-Ra and the princesses of power which went even further and featured a series long romantic arc
00:44:10Between the two lead characters who are adopted sisters and one of them relentlessly stalks and abuses the other like Jason Dean on estrogen, but they kiss and that was a milestone
00:44:18Come on, Adora. You can't let
00:44:32You
00:44:4230 seconds in
00:44:46Keep you from there was definitely some glowy action going on there
00:44:50Come on
00:45:00Come on Adora
00:45:10Right there can't let distractions keep you from transforming what's going on?
00:45:14And
00:45:21Then in the year of our Lord 2022 Dana Tech who are
00:45:29And I need to do it like I would do a full those assets like you know
00:45:33So you clearly watched the show and you were following it where where are we ever getting a full breakdown? I?
00:45:39literally fucking can't
00:45:42Because trying to do it is way too fucking uncomfortable. Yeah
00:45:50Like y'all know there are scenes in this that are gonna head very close to home. Yeah
00:46:01And like you can't snark your way past it you've got a like
00:46:05This show pretends. It's taking these issues seriously
00:46:09It's not like coffin which just cut which blunts everything with its weirdly insecure insecure giggling
00:46:21It thinks itself seriously hot
00:46:26Adopted sisters and one of them relent adopt characters who are
00:46:30Adopted sisters and what is in one of them relentlessly stocks and abuses the other like Jason Dean on estrogen, but they
00:46:36You
00:46:58Just a few years later the Shera franchise was rebooted into Shera and the princesses of power which went even further and featured a series
00:47:04long romantic arc between the two lead characters, who are adopted sisters in one of the...
00:47:09It even says little sister right underneath Catra's name. Yeah, like...
00:47:16I'm surprised they were allowed to do that.
00:47:23I wonder if this was part of the supposed subterfuge.
00:47:29Probably.
00:47:57I think a serious problem with, like, the way when people try to write abuse victims as villains is that
00:48:02they start with the premise of, like, oh yeah, abuse can make people into, uh, into...
00:48:07can make people into unpleasant bad people to be around. And they don't think about it any further
00:48:12than that, and then just take a pretty generic villain and staple an abuse backstory onto it,
00:48:17when that's not how it works. Right.
00:48:22A key aspect of, like, an abuse victim, if you're going to write, like, the messy side of abuse,
00:48:27is we don't have power. We don't have power in our situations.
00:48:36So we don't actually make good villains, because we don't have the power that makes a villain,
00:48:40unless you... unless you really crank down the stakes to something way more personal.
00:48:45But even then, you've got to be way more nuanced than just villain redemption.
00:48:50It's another part of this of, like, taking a concept, uh, taking a concept and trying really hard
00:49:00to force it to have a traditional hero and villain.
00:49:04When the bet... the better alternative is to just not have a villain.
00:49:09Yeah.
00:50:09Whoops.
00:50:14That one?
00:50:14Come on, Adora! You can't let distractions keep you from transforming!
00:50:19What's going on?
00:50:20Ooh, are we messing with Adora?
00:50:22Catra, do you have to sit right there?
00:50:24What? I'm not doing anything.
00:50:26And then, in the year of Our Lord 2022, Dana Terrace released The Owl.
00:50:33Been on an on-the-run bandit since that was how the Horde raised her.
00:50:37Oh, maybe.
00:50:41I think if you want to write about, like, the nuances of an abuse victim,
00:50:45and you have a villain in your story at all, you're already fucking it up.
00:50:51Like, the villain is the abuser.
00:50:54Yeah.
00:50:55You need, like, people need to think beyond, like, the very rigid, limiting concept of a villain.
00:51:00This is the first time I've actually seen Catra Adora kiss.
00:51:06TBH, ew.
00:51:10Oof.
00:51:16It's not even that I dislike Catra.
00:51:18I think if the story had actually taken Catra's, like, severe possessiveness seriously,
00:51:25it probably could have been an interesting story.
00:51:27But they don't.
00:51:31...
00:51:34She's negging Adora right up to the very end.
00:51:39She will not let go of the fact that Adora abandoned the Horde.
00:51:44Like, even before, like, their big kiss scene, it's basically,
00:51:47please, just this once, stay.
00:51:50She's still giving her shit for that!
00:51:53Yeah.
00:51:56It's like, girl!
00:52:00...
00:52:26Like, this should be a story about Adora escaping.
00:52:30This woman.
00:52:34That'd have been a good story.
00:52:37I know the problem is, is that, uh...
00:52:40Look.
00:52:42Recovering from an abuse doesn't necessarily translate to you getting whatever you want.
00:52:47...
00:52:56I think trying to tell a story about abuse in the middle of, like, a story like She-Ra
00:53:01is just not a great idea.
00:53:03Like, Avatar did it, and that's why they want to do it?
00:53:08Right.
00:53:09Well...
00:53:11Actually, yeah.
00:53:11Avatar did it.
00:53:12So, who were Adora and Catra?
00:53:17Uh, Katara and Zuko?
00:53:22You're close!
00:53:23Oh, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got it, yeah.
00:53:26That took, it took me a second, yeah.
00:53:31Avatar did it badly, and that's what, yeah, like, I mean,
00:53:33I was basically calling this out for, like, copying Avatar,
00:53:36and yeah, they copied it straight up.
00:53:37Like, Adora and Catra are just Zuko and Azula.
00:53:41But, you know, cursed.
00:53:43Oh, well.
00:53:44Hey, Ren!
00:53:44What a, what a thing for Ren to walk in on.
00:54:14Ren, what's your most cursed ship?
00:54:23And then, in the year of our lord 2022,
00:54:26Jaina Tarris released the Owl House.
00:54:27No, analysis, my only weakness.
00:54:30The important part was in 2022,
00:54:32which featured not only a gay relationship
00:54:34that got to be a relationship before the finale,
00:54:36but also multiple trans characters
00:54:37who get to be fully fleshed out characters.
00:54:39And I'm not about to be sarcastic.
00:54:45And then, in the year of our lord 2022,
00:55:07Jaina Tarris released the Owl House.
00:55:09Now, the Owl House actually released in 2020,
00:55:11but the important part was in 2022,
00:55:13which featured not only a gay relationship
00:55:15that got to be a relationship before the finale,
00:55:17but also multiple trans characters.
00:55:21Understood that.
00:55:23Kyra!
00:55:24You are a swindler and a thief!
00:55:26Come here, buddy.
00:55:28Me too.
00:55:29Hey, awesome girl.
00:55:37Which featured not only a gay relationship
00:55:39that got to be a relationship before the finale,
00:55:41but also-
00:55:41Oh, crap.
00:55:44Hm.
00:55:45Avatar of the Owl House.
00:55:47What do you mean?
00:55:56Hm.
00:56:13Hm.
00:56:28Which do you like better, or is better objectively?
00:56:30Uh, I don't know.
00:56:36We're here to answer questions other than that.
00:56:43Which featured not only a gay relationship
00:56:48that got to be a relationship before the finale,
00:56:50but also multiple trans-
00:56:58I do not have Clouds on the Horizon.
00:57:04Oops.
00:57:06Curses!
00:57:08But I do have this.
00:57:44Which featured not only a gay relationship
00:57:46that got to be a relationship before the-
00:57:57You know what I think is very cute?
00:57:59They form a heart.
00:58:02Oh, yeah!
00:58:06They do form a heart.
00:58:10Relationship before the finale,
00:58:12but also multiple trans characters
00:58:13who get to be fully fleshed-out characters.
00:58:42But also multiple trans characters who get-
00:59:01We may not make it out ourselves,
00:59:03but it'll stop the Emperor, right?
00:59:07Then we play on!
00:59:12Hm.
00:59:14Eda, do you have kids?
00:59:18Uh, but they're not mine.
00:59:20Mine.
00:59:20Oh, it doesn't matter.
00:59:22They both have real families to return to.
00:59:31I don't know what you're running from,
00:59:33but a great-
00:59:37They both have-
00:59:39Uh, but they're-
00:59:40Do you have kids?
00:59:42Eda.
00:59:45Eda.
00:59:46Do you have kids?
00:59:55Trans characters who get to be fully fleshed-out characters.
00:59:57And I'm not about to be sarcastic like with the others.
00:59:59The Owl House is great.
01:00:00Ending was kind of crap, but that's not relevant to this video.
01:00:07And I met him.
01:00:08I met him when he was still just Phillip.
01:00:10There was this time pool.
01:00:12And I met him-
01:00:15Crap, but that's not relevant to this video.
01:00:17Finally, the work that had started in 2014 had reached its goal.
01:00:20Finally, we had gay rep in a children's cartoon that didn't have to compromise anything.
01:00:24Finally, western animation could stand on top of the hill it had been struggling to climb for years
01:00:28and look back at the other hill that had already been climbed a decade prior.
01:00:32I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:00:34I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:00:39The best way and in the tunnel of li-
01:00:41I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:00:45In 2014 had reached its goal.
01:00:47Finally, we had gay rep in a children's cartoon that didn't have to compromise anything.
01:00:51Finally, western animat-
01:00:52I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:01:02Confidence, huh?
01:01:04Like Albert?
01:01:09We got Captain Avery secure-
01:01:22On top of the hill it had been struggling to climb for years
01:01:25and look back at the other hill that had already been climbed a decade prior.
01:01:28Other hill that had already been climbed-
01:02:02I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:04The best way and in the tunnel of li-
01:02:06I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:08Confidence, huh?
01:02:10Like Albert?
01:02:12I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:14Confidence, huh?
01:02:16Like Albert?
01:02:18I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:20Confidence, huh?
01:02:22Like Albert?
01:02:24I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:26Confidence, huh?
01:02:28Like Albert?
01:02:30I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:32Confidence, huh?
01:02:34Like Albert?
01:02:36I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:38Confidence, huh?
01:02:40Like Albert?
01:02:42I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:44Confidence, huh?
01:02:46Like Albert?
01:02:48I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:50Confidence, huh?
01:02:52Like Albert?
01:02:54I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:02:56Confidence, huh?
01:02:58Like Albert?
01:03:00I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:02Confidence, huh?
01:03:04Like Albert?
01:03:06I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:08Confidence, huh?
01:03:10Like Albert?
01:03:12I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:14Confidence, huh?
01:03:16Like Albert?
01:03:18I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:20Confidence, huh?
01:03:22Like Albert?
01:03:24I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:26Confidence, huh?
01:03:28Like Albert?
01:03:30I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:32Confidence, huh?
01:03:34Like Albert?
01:03:36I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:38Confidence, huh?
01:03:40Like Albert?
01:03:42I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:44Confidence, huh?
01:03:46Like Albert?
01:03:48I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:50Confidence, huh?
01:03:52Like Albert?
01:03:54I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:03:56Confidence, huh?
01:03:58Like Albert?
01:04:00I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:02Confidence, huh?
01:04:04Like Albert?
01:04:06I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:08Confidence, huh?
01:04:10Like Albert?
01:04:12I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:14Confidence, huh?
01:04:16Like Albert?
01:04:18I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:20Confidence, huh?
01:04:22Like Albert?
01:04:24I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:26Confidence, huh?
01:04:28Like Albert?
01:04:30I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:32Confidence, huh?
01:04:34Like Albert?
01:04:36I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:38Confidence, huh?
01:04:40Like Albert?
01:04:42I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:44Confidence, huh?
01:04:46Like Albert?
01:04:48I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:50Confidence, huh?
01:04:52Like Albert?
01:04:54I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:04:56Confidence, huh?
01:04:58Like Albert?
01:05:00I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:02Confidence, huh?
01:05:04Like Albert?
01:05:06I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:08Confidence, huh?
01:05:10Like Albert?
01:05:12I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:14Confidence, huh?
01:05:16Like Albert?
01:05:18Like Albert?
01:05:20I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:22Confidence, huh?
01:05:24Like Albert?
01:05:26I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:28Confidence, huh?
01:05:30Like Albert?
01:05:32I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:34Confidence, huh?
01:05:36Like Albert?
01:05:38I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:40Confidence, huh?
01:05:42Like Albert?
01:05:44I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:46Confidence, huh?
01:05:48Like Albert?
01:05:50I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:52Confidence, huh?
01:05:54Like Albert?
01:05:56I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:05:58Confidence, huh?
01:06:00Like Albert?
01:06:02I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:04Confidence, huh?
01:06:06Like Albert?
01:06:08I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:10Confidence, huh?
01:06:12Like Albert?
01:06:14Like Albert?
01:06:16I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:18Confidence, huh?
01:06:20Like Albert?
01:06:22I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:24Confidence, huh?
01:06:26Like Albert?
01:06:28I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:30Confidence, huh?
01:06:32Like Albert?
01:06:34I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:36Confidence, huh?
01:06:38Like Albert?
01:06:40I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:42Confidence, huh?
01:06:44Like Albert?
01:06:46I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:48Confidence, huh?
01:06:50Like Albert?
01:06:52I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:06:54Confidence, huh?
01:06:56Like Albert?
01:06:58I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:00Confidence, huh?
01:07:02Like Albert?
01:07:04I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:06Confidence, huh?
01:07:08Like Albert?
01:07:10I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:12Confidence, huh?
01:07:14Like Albert?
01:07:16I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:18Confidence, huh?
01:07:20Like Albert?
01:07:22I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:24Confidence, huh?
01:07:26Like Albert?
01:07:28I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:30Confidence, huh?
01:07:32Like Albert?
01:07:34I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:36Confidence, huh?
01:07:38I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:40Confidence, huh?
01:07:42Like Albert?
01:07:44I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:46Confidence, huh?
01:07:48Like Albert?
01:07:50I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:52Confidence, huh?
01:07:54Like Albert?
01:07:56I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:07:58Confidence, huh?
01:08:00Like Albert?
01:08:02I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:04Confidence, huh?
01:08:06Like Albert?
01:08:08I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:10Confidence, huh?
01:08:12Like Albert?
01:08:14I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:16Confidence, huh?
01:08:18Like Albert?
01:08:20I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:22Confidence, huh?
01:08:24Like Albert?
01:08:26I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:28Confidence, huh?
01:08:30Like Albert?
01:08:32I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:34Confidence, huh?
01:08:36Like Albert?
01:08:38I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:40Confidence, huh?
01:08:42Like Albert?
01:08:44I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:46Confidence, huh?
01:08:48Like Albert?
01:08:50I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:52Confidence, huh?
01:08:54Like Albert?
01:08:56I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:08:58Confidence, huh?
01:09:00Like Albert?
01:09:02I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:09:04Confidence, huh?
01:09:06Like Albert?
01:09:08I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:09:10Confidence, huh?
01:09:12Like Albert?
01:09:14I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:09:16Confidence, huh?
01:09:18Like Albert?
01:09:20I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:09:22Confidence, huh?
01:09:24Like Albert?
01:09:26I'm not the first person to suggest that the discourse around-
01:09:28Confidence, huh?
01:09:30Micae, you draw the cutest shit.
01:09:36🎵
01:09:38🎵
01:09:40🎵
01:09:42🎵
01:09:44🎵
01:09:46🎵
01:09:48I can't help. I don't know what I'll say a time
01:09:50I can't help. I don't know what I'll say a time
01:09:52I can't help. I don't know what I'll say a time
01:09:54A person should not suggest that the discourse around LGBT
01:09:56A person should not suggest that the discourse around LGBT
01:09:58Hasn't always been productive
01:10:00and treating them as infallible gods type of always been very productive from putting creators on pedestals and treating them as infallible gods type are
01:10:07focusing on one genre of animation the push
01:10:22From putting creators on pedestals and treating them as infallible gods type
01:10:26from putting creators on pedestals and treating them as infallible gods type
01:10:31type of
01:10:36and
01:10:38Okay, he's the most talent-ist-est.
01:11:09Oh
01:11:29A per focusing on one genre of animation the push for better LGBT representation in animation
01:11:34Hasn't been as extensive as it could be these five series are often treated as the pioneers of gay rep in Western cartoons
01:11:40They're considered the big boundary pushers who set the stage for everyone else, but all of them
01:11:45are
01:11:46YouTubers and
01:11:48they love to entertain a crowd which is really cool
01:11:50You know, they talk about how they're interesting and they've got a lot of really, really cool stuff
01:11:55in their living rooms, but all of these people are literally doing something really really stupid
01:11:59So why would you bring them to the stage?
01:12:02It's not because they're funny. It's because they're funny
01:12:04Because these people are here to entertain people and it's not that they're funny
01:12:07But all of them have some pretty egregious flaws that could cause some people to argue
01:12:22their importance, or others to discount them entirely.
01:12:25Plenty of shows during this era had come out with arguably better gay rep more quickly
01:12:29than these ones had.
01:12:30The Loud House, rather notably, had a lot of shows during this era that had come out
01:14:26with arguably better gay rep more quickly than these ones had.
01:14:41Plenty of shows during this era had come out with arguably better gay rep more quickly
01:14:46than these ones had.
01:14:48They're not even.
01:14:49They don't move at the same speed, but I kind of like it that way.
01:14:52Ooh.
01:14:53Ah, yeah.
01:14:55Just jumbling into place.
01:14:57Yep.
01:14:58Plenty of shows during this era had come out with arguably better gay rep more quickly
01:15:22than these ones had.
01:15:23Plenty of shows during this era had come out with arguably better gay rep more quickly
01:15:48than these ones had.
01:15:49The Loud House, rather notably, had a multi-episode-long...
01:16:19Hm.
01:16:26Okay.
01:16:33Uh, alright.
01:16:50I need to get a whole lot of footage, so we're gonna take a stream break while I go do that
01:16:57so that I can just say cheesy shit to my wife.
01:17:01I will be back in about 20 to 30 minutes.
01:17:04Enjoy the intermission.
01:19:01Oh, shit.
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