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00:00Sir, you are a senior journalist, an expert in journalism.
00:04You have an insight into cybercrime and the world of cyber.
00:07Recently, the CEO of Telegram, the Russian billionaire, was arrested in France.
00:12He did not compromise with the governments
00:15to allow the user data of Telegram to be breached
00:19and to allow privacy to be breached of his application.
00:23So, he was arrested in France.
00:25WhatsApp and Google, do they really keep our data safe?
00:31Do they have our privacy in their applications?
00:34They have it safe.
00:37But, is our privacy safe?
00:39No.
00:40They have been questioned by Facebook's sales manager.
00:46They said that if people want their data to be safe and open,
00:53then they should not do it.
00:55We do not believe in privacy.
00:58We can get any information based on the freedom of information.
01:07If people think that people do not know about them,
01:11then they should not talk like this.
01:13They say that the concept of privacy has changed.
01:18But, those who have refused to give data,
01:22they have achieved a moral victory.
01:26They have told their users that they respect their privacy.
01:40This is one thing.
01:42But, as long as Google and WhatsApp,
01:45and everyone uses them through Android,
01:50then privacy cannot be maintained.
01:55In our country, there are so many users.
01:58No matter how many instructions are given,
02:00no matter how much information is shared,
02:03no one cares.
02:05Privacy is no longer there.
02:08But, surveillance is done by the intelligence agencies.
02:15They have other gadgets.
02:18Other than this,
02:20you have seen that those who have a house,
02:22do not have privacy in their house.
02:25People's recordings are very important.
02:28People's day-to-day information is always available.
02:32This creates a lot of trouble.
02:34There is a lot of noise about who is recording and how.
02:38Who gave permission to whom?
02:41Under which authority is this in people's privacy?
02:45This is very common.
02:47But, these institutions,
02:50like Google and Facebook,
02:53their officials have said that
02:57they do not believe in privacy.
03:01If there is something private that is wrong,
03:05then people should not do it.
03:07If someone is bribing someone,
03:10talking against someone,
03:13or talking against a country,
03:15or talking against morality,
03:19then people should not do it.
03:21We do not enter people's bedrooms,
03:25nor do we go into their washrooms.
03:28But, the rest of the teachings are very good.
03:33People's misdeeds,
03:36misbehavior,
03:38and their lack of loyalty to their country,
03:42or to their institutions,
03:44all of this comes to light.
03:46So, this Google,
03:50many years ago,
03:54now it has become a big deal.
03:56It has 80,000 computers.
03:58It is a future crime book.
04:02Former director, Shobha.
04:05Shobha was the director of cybercrime.
04:08He was the head of it.
04:10He was a good man.
04:12He wrote his book, Future Crime.
04:15It is about 700 pages long.
04:17It has been a bestseller in America for many years.
04:21Many years.
04:23After that, the eyes of Americans opened.
04:26They made a lot of noise.
04:28What is happening to us?
04:30He openly said that
04:32this iPhone,
04:35laptop,
04:37tablet,
04:39even if they are closed,
04:41we can listen to all our discussions.
04:43And,
04:45from the corner of 35-37,
04:49he is taking pictures.
04:51He is with us 24 hours a day.
04:53Sir, are they taking pictures of state institutions,
04:56or where are they from?
04:58This technology is theirs.
05:00It is theirs?
05:01Yes.
05:02They have gadgets in it,
05:04in the iPhone,
05:06and in the tablet,
05:08and in whatever android they are using.
05:10So, Google says that
05:1280,000 computers
05:14are updating information
05:16of more than 3 billion people
05:18day to day.
05:2024 hours.
05:22He is with them all the time.
05:24He is with his owner.
05:26Tablet,
05:28iPhone.
05:30He says that more than 300 aspects
05:32of a person,
05:34more than 300 aspects,
05:36are updating information
05:38of more than 3 billion people
05:40day to day.
05:46And,
05:48this information
05:50is being processed
05:52by those computers,
05:5480,000.
05:56The kind of information
05:583 billion people need,
06:00the kind of information
06:02they need,
06:04the kind of information
06:063 billion people need,
06:08the kind of information
06:103 billion people need,
06:12the kind of information
06:143 billion people need,
06:16the kind of information
06:183 billion people need,
06:20the kind of information
06:223 billion people need,
06:24the kind of information
06:263 billion people need,
06:28the kind of information
06:303 billion people need,
06:32The purpose of human life
06:34is to get control over environment.
06:36Strengthen it. Enhance it.
06:38And then strengthen it.
06:40He says that leaving
06:42philosophical and religious thoughts aside,
06:44if we look at the bitter realities
06:46of life, we will see
06:48that everyone is striving
06:50for having more and more
06:52control.
06:54Control is the aim of real life.
06:56And now,
06:58like this
07:00Anu Harari,
07:02the author, the futuristic
07:04You all Harari,
07:06the author of Sapiens,
07:08he writes in his books
07:10that the kind of
07:12future he is forecasting,
07:14he says
07:16that
07:18a few dozen
07:20in the next 50 years,
07:22maybe it will take more
07:2450 years or less,
07:26this will happen that
07:28there will be a few dozen families
07:30who will have
07:32control over the world.
07:34And who will have data.
07:36And who will have data
07:38and who will have control over it.
07:40This has been said
07:42a long time ago
07:44that the people
07:46who will have
07:48control over the
07:50wealth of knowledge,
07:52they will control the world.
07:54The wealth of knowledge is data.
07:56Now, if someone
07:58wants to fight an election in Pakistan,
08:00he can tell them
08:02every constituency-wise.
08:04He can give them information
08:06about which people are in favor of you,
08:08which are against you,
08:10why are they in favor,
08:12what are their arguments,
08:14and what are the arguments
08:16based on which
08:18you can win the election.
08:20And he can
08:22show them
08:24all the information
08:26that he gives them.
08:28You see,
08:30Google,
08:32if you want to advertise
08:34online,
08:36it says that the journalist
08:38or the journalist's student
08:40or teacher should get
08:42this advertisement.
08:44The algorithm
08:46will charge you
08:48according to
08:50the number of clicks
08:52and the algorithm
08:54will start running
08:56and Google will know
08:58who is the journalist.
09:00This is a very observable
09:02thing. You just mentioned Google.
09:04Google has two apps
09:06that tell us
09:08that Google
09:10is monitoring us
09:12and surveilling us live.
09:14If we open Google Maps,
09:16Google knows
09:18which cars
09:20are stuck
09:22and it makes the road red.
09:24Google also knows about live traffic.
09:26Sir, if you look at Google Earth,
09:28if you open Google Earth,
09:30you can see that
09:32the roof of our house
09:34is also visible.
09:36Everything is visible.
09:38So, Google
09:40and other apps
09:42can see
09:44how much
09:46surveillance
09:48and monitoring
09:50is being done live.
09:52Look,
09:54the poor people
09:56in Pakistan,
09:58mostly they have to
10:00survive on food and water.
10:02That is their livelihood.
10:04They don't care about it.
10:06They say,
10:08nobody is doing it.
10:10But the poor people,
10:12the lower class
10:14and the upper class
10:16need surveillance.
10:18It is being done
10:20in many ways.
10:22Nobody is safe.
10:24Above 17th grade,
10:26the people
10:28in this category
10:30have all the records.
10:32Because
10:34they can't be controlled without it.
10:36Now, all this technology
10:38and its destruction
10:40and if the governments
10:42don't do it,
10:44what will happen to our lives?
10:46What will happen to our lives?
10:48To keep us free from slavery,
10:50to save us from slavery,
10:52from horrible slavery,
10:54we,
10:56like I have talked about
10:58Harari,
11:00futuristic,
11:02he says that
11:04a hybrid human
11:06and
11:08humans,
11:10Google has put
11:12$1 billion for research
11:14in this field,
11:16so that humans can
11:18defeat death.
11:20Death will never come.
11:22Humans should always have
11:24an eternal life.
11:26He has written
11:28in his book that
11:30if you go to America
11:32where we are
11:34multibillionaires,
11:36and you are walking in the park,
11:38it is possible that
11:40someone is passing by you
11:42or walking behind you,
11:44that person has
11:46an eternal life.
11:48It is also possible.
11:50Because for all these things,
11:52the research has been completed.
11:54Biology,
11:56algorithm,
11:58all kinds of research,
12:00all the gadgets,
12:02everything is there.
12:04And to use it later
12:06to make gadgets,
12:08there are a lot of companies
12:10in America.
12:12There are a lot of companies
12:14in America,
12:16they use it here,
12:18but it can be used
12:20anywhere in the body.
12:22If all the software is there,
12:24they can control it.
12:26So that it becomes a hybrid human,
12:28half human, half robot,
12:30they are controlling from behind.
12:32This is not possible.
12:34This is horrible technology
12:36It can become an alarm,
12:38it can become a hybrid human,
12:40controlled by one person.
12:42Millions, crores,
12:44billions can be controlled
12:46by a few people.
12:48All these people
12:50who are controlling
12:523 billion people,
12:54their thoughts,
12:56their actions,
12:58there is one person
13:00who does not even know,
13:02if he says,
13:04then all the information
13:06can be told to him.
13:08So he himself becomes unconscious
13:10that this is also about me,
13:12and I also do this.
13:14He does not even know himself,
13:16he is doing it in his unconsciousness.
13:18AI has reached this level
13:20that it can also predict
13:22future crimes,
13:24that which crime
13:26can happen in the future.
13:28So AI's predictability is increasing a lot.
13:30I want to ask you this question,
13:32earlier we were talking about apps,
13:34surveillance,
13:36now this data collection
13:38in 10-15-20 years,
13:40can it be used against us?
13:42It is still being used against us.
13:44You see,
13:46in the book Future Crime,
13:48it is written by Goodman,
13:50the director of the
13:52department of American Cybercrime,
13:54he says that
13:58more than 22 countries,
14:0026 countries,
14:02cybercrime has started
14:04among them.
14:06It has started.
14:08He said that
14:10China,
14:12their Marco company,
14:14which is very famous,
14:16American company
14:18is working in Saudi Arabia,
14:20very big,
14:22they have sent
14:24virus to their computers.
14:26They have become so useless
14:28that they have lost billions of dollars.
14:30They are keeping quiet.
14:32They have tried not to know.
14:34Otherwise,
14:36those who have to take money
14:38or those who have to give,
14:40we don't have,
14:42they will have,
14:44so they can collect from us.
14:46Those who have to give,
14:48they will give.
14:50They are keeping quiet.
14:52That is why they are
14:54keeping quiet
14:56and they have
14:58recovered themselves.
15:00So, once they say that
15:02their
15:04blueprints were
15:06present in computers
15:08about
15:10defense of Americans,
15:12they stole it.
15:14North Koreans also
15:16do a lot of cyberattacks in western countries.
15:18They say that we have repeatedly
15:20said that they are Americans,
15:22from China, that it is happening from your side.
15:24They repeatedly say that
15:26individuals do such things,
15:28such mischief.
15:30There is nothing like this from the government.
15:32Whenever you want,
15:34we can negotiate,
15:36we can sit,
15:38we can decide in this way
15:40that the international
15:42cyberspace should be protected.
15:44Let's make a statement like this.
15:46But they keep doing it.
15:48They put such allegations
15:50that
15:52there is a very big city on the
15:54eastern coast of China,
15:56Shanghai.
15:58There is a building in Shanghai,
16:00it has 22 floors.
16:02I don't know,
16:0430,000 people are working there.
16:06They are busy in the cyberwar.
16:08They have gathered so many people
16:10to do this.
16:12And there are many inventions
16:14on which they have researched.
16:16We have invested billions of dollars
16:18and the results are ready.
16:20This is how it is happening.
16:22If this has started
16:24from the beginning,
16:26then what is safe?
16:28If the government and their plans
16:30are kept secret
16:32and a lot of
16:34firewalls are set up
16:36for their defense,
16:38that too
16:40is not safe.
16:42It is happening
16:44as it is in the book
16:46itself.
16:48The in-charge of the cybercrime department
16:50himself is
16:52acknowledging this.
16:54He said that
16:56if there is a robbery
16:58in a small bank,
17:00it will cost
17:02a lot of money.
17:04It will cost
17:064 crores.
17:08But this happened here too
17:10because
17:12there was an American
17:14who
17:16stole
17:187 crores
17:20of
17:22American
17:24data.
17:26The password is
17:28the code word of
17:30ATM cards.
17:32There are agents in 26 countries
17:34through whom he works.
17:36He saved it
17:38and made his own card
17:40and told them
17:42that this is his password.
17:44Within 2-3 days
17:46they discarded all the cards
17:48and made a new one.
17:50Within 1-2 days
17:52they stole
17:54more than 10 billion dollars.
17:56Because
17:58there are such cards
18:00in other countries too.
18:0220-22-24.
18:04He was not caught in that.
18:06But he told his agents
18:08not to try to reach me
18:10or find out
18:12who the boss is.
18:14I am the boss
18:16and you have to obey me.
18:18So 1-2 people
18:20tried to reach him
18:22but he killed them.
18:24When they investigated
18:26they found out
18:28that
18:30he was the agent.
18:32He said that
18:34he has 20-30
18:36laptops
18:38with him.
18:40He told them
18:42not to get caught.
18:44He was very smart.
18:46He was very smart.
18:48They took him
18:50because he had technology.
18:52He was with the government.
18:54He was sitting alone
18:56in the library.
18:58In which city?
19:00I don't know.
19:02He was sitting
19:04in the library.
19:06He was caught.