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00:00How and why did you decide to write an anti-Islamic book?
00:06How was your life in terms of faith?
00:09Who did you believe in?
00:10What was your heaviest and saddest expression that you used for Islam?
00:15What was the reaction of your close people when you became a Muslim?
00:19I used to think that Islam is a lie.
00:21Islam is a threat.
00:23I was threatened with more than 2000 deaths.
00:26And finally, I decided to write an anti-Islamic book.
00:30May God give me a sign so that I know 100%.
00:33This is the right way.
00:35I couldn't sleep for two days because of this.
00:38I couldn't accept it.
00:39It was very strange.
00:41Assalamu alaikum brother Joram and Cleveran.
00:43Thank you for coming.
00:45I am very happy to see you.
00:47First of all, I want to ask you who Joram is.
00:49Walaikum assalam.
00:51Thank you for calling me.
00:53It is a matter of great honor for me to come here.
00:55Joram von Cleveran was born on 23rd January 1989 in an ordinary family in Amsterdam.
01:01He had a father, mother, brother, younger sister and a cat.
01:05I grew up in a Protestant family in Amsterdam.
01:09After graduating from high school, I studied comparative religion.
01:12I was a teacher for a few years.
01:14There were a lot of things in Holland and especially in my life.
01:18When I turn a blind eye and when it comes to Islam,
01:21I was politically inspired by the Freedom Party.
01:25I became a member of the parliament.
01:27Finally, I decided to write an anti-Islamic book.
01:30It started with an anti-Islamic book.
01:33Then it turned into a search for God.
01:35And it ended with me becoming a Muslim.
01:38How was your life in terms of faith?
01:41Who did you believe in?
01:42Before becoming a Muslim, I was a Protestant Christian from the Reformed Church.
01:46We used to read the Bible.
01:47We were all named after the Bible.
01:49We were all baptized.
01:51We used to go to church, etc.
01:53We were Christians to a large extent.
01:55Obviously, I had faith in the creator of the universe.
01:58I had faith in heaven and hell.
02:00I had faith in the revelation of angels.
02:02And obviously, I had faith in something that separates Christians from Muslims.
02:05I had faith that Jesus Christ is the son of God.
02:08And more philosophically, I had faith that he was God himself.
02:12I had faith that I would be resurrected.
02:15And obviously, I had faith in Jesus Christ.
02:18And I had faith in the disbelievers.
02:20But Trinity is a very complicated concept.
02:23Whether you believe it or not, it is really very complicated.
02:26Because in the Bible, it is said about God that God is infinite.
02:30But if you are infinite, but still you die,
02:33then you cannot be infinite and finite at the same time.
02:36This was the thing that when I grew up a little, 16-17 years old,
02:39then I started objecting that this is not logical.
02:43I talked to many people, priests, preachers, and even rabbis.
02:48But the answers I got were not very satisfactory.
02:51They made it complicated for me.
02:53And I had some doubts in my mind.
02:56But I said, okay, forget it.
02:58And I thought like a judge.
03:00I just believed it.
03:01And maybe I am not so intelligent that I can understand everything.
03:04Despite this, I had faith in God.
03:06I still had faith that Jesus Christ is a very important person.
03:10I had faith that he is the son of God.
03:12And I left the reality of this on him.
03:14How and why did you decide to write an anti-Islamic book?
03:18After high school, I went to university.
03:20And I studied comparative religion.
03:22And a memorable thing.
03:23I think it was the first day of my college.
03:26It was September 11, 2001.
03:28I already had in my mind that these Muslims are crazy.
03:32And this religion is not true.
03:34Then a few years later, there was a person in Holland.
03:36He was a famous filmmaker.
03:38And he was killed on the street.
03:40He was shot.
03:41And they tried to cut his throat.
03:43And there was a knife in his stomach.
03:45On which there was a letter for another girl named Ayaan Harshi Ali.
03:48On which it was written, next time it is yours.
03:50Therefore, this increased my anti-Islamic feelings so much.
03:54That I thought I should be politically motivated to do something.
03:58And should save my country from this evil or harm.
04:00You started politics because of Islam.
04:03Yes, and it was related to Islam.
04:05This was the reason why I wanted to write a book.
04:07So that I can tell people why Islam is a danger to the world.
04:10When I was writing my book.
04:12As I said before, questions related to Christianity.
04:15Doubts and suspicions arose again.
04:17And it is obvious that they were related to the truth.
04:19Because I was a Christian with faith.
04:21And my questions about Christianity were finally answered in the Islamic way.
04:24Because it is obvious that when I started writing a book.
04:26So many people thought that this is a political book.
04:29But this was not political.
04:31This was a religious book.
04:32Because I wanted to tell people.
04:34Why is Islam a dangerous religion?
04:36And I wrote it from a Christian point of view.
04:39So in the beginning.
04:40I started comparing the concept of God and the concept of Islam.
04:44But because I had doubts about divinity.
04:47And I saw the unity of God in Islam.
04:50Yes, this seems more reasonable.
04:52And then I thought okay.
04:53I read the Bible again.
04:55So that I can refresh my faith.
04:56That the concept of unity in Islam.
04:58Why is there no Christian concept?
04:59But when I was reading the Old Testament.
05:01And I saw that in the Old Testament.
05:03The Prophet said.
05:04One God, One God, One God.
05:06And then I thought okay.
05:08In the New Testament.
05:09I will only see the words of Jesus Christ.
05:11And then I got this story in the New Testament.
05:13A man came to Jesus Christ.
05:15And asked.
05:16What is the most important thing in life?
05:18How can I get heaven?
05:19He answered.
05:20There are two things.
05:21O Israel.
05:22Your God is one.
05:23Treat your neighbor as you want.
05:27So I thought okay.
05:28Jesus Christ is also talking here.
05:30O Israel.
05:31Your God is one.
05:32So I thought.
05:33This complete Muslim concept of God.
05:35It seems more reasonable.
05:36And this is the same concept.
05:37Which I got in the Old and New Testament.
05:40And I learned that Christianity.
05:41As a religion teaches something else.
05:43But this is not the concept of God.
05:45Which I got in the Bible.
05:47So many weeks of studying.
05:48Reading all kinds of books.
05:50Then after reading again.
05:51I thought okay.
05:52Maybe God's unity is the thing.
05:54Which is the truth.
05:55So this is how it started.
05:56During your research.
05:57What tools did you use?
05:59Because I was quite surprised.
06:01So I wrote to many authorities.
06:03On those religious matters.
06:05And I wrote a letter to Sheikh Abdul Hakeem Murad.
06:08Who is a professor at Cambridge University.
06:10This was obviously a very strange thing.
06:12Because I was a politician before.
06:14Still I was writing a book against Islam.
06:18And I am asking a Muslim professor from another country.
06:21Can you help me?
06:23So I told him that I am writing a book.
06:25I have a lot of questions in my mind.
06:27So in simple words.
06:29I said that why do I think.
06:31Islam is selling terrorism.
06:33Why is it against women.
06:34Christianity.
06:35And other things.
06:36And maybe after 6 weeks.
06:38He sent me a detailed email.
06:40And started explaining directly.
06:42He answered a lot of my questions.
06:44But I was also told.
06:45That you have to read this article.
06:47This book.
06:48You have to read that book.
06:49You have to ask that person.
06:50His way of explaining.
06:51Was very detailed.
06:52But finally.
06:53After reading all the books.
06:54And all the articles.
06:55I compared it.
06:56Between the prophets of the Old Testament.
06:58And the Prophet Muhammad.
07:00Now I had no objection.
07:02That they are all prophets.
07:04And he is not.
07:05And I thought.
07:06Okay.
07:07If I accept Hazrat Musa on these grounds.
07:09But I don't accept Prophet Muhammad.
07:11Then this is something else.
07:13I thought.
07:14Why don't I consider them prophets.
07:16I thought.
07:17Maybe because they had a lot of wives.
07:19But when you look at Hazrat Suleiman.
07:21Or you look at Hazrat Dawood Ibrahim.
07:23There are many people in the Old Testament.
07:25Who had more than one wife.
07:27Even when you look at non-religious books.
07:29So culturally.
07:31Like Europe.
07:32Africa.
07:33Asia.
07:34Everywhere there are such men.
07:35Who have many wives.
07:36On the basis of many reasons.
07:37So I thought.
07:38Okay.
07:39This can't be a reason.
07:40So one by one.
07:41All these reasons came together.
07:42Finally I thought.
07:43I have to say.
07:44They are not all prophets.
07:45But I didn't believe it.
07:46Because in my opinion.
07:47The work they did.
07:48The things they did.
07:49The excitement they showed.
07:50They were proven by their words and deeds.
07:51So then they are.
07:52And then I said.
07:53Then I have to accept this.
07:54That Prophet Muhammad.
07:55He is also a prophet.
07:56But I had a doubt about it.
07:57So first of all.
07:58I thought.
07:59That history tells me.
08:00That he is the worst person.
08:01Then I said.
08:02Maybe he is not so bad.
08:03But he is not a prophet either.
08:04And finally.
08:05I started to doubt.
08:06That he is a prophet.
08:07Yes.
08:08This thing.
08:09Once again.
08:10Forced me to read many books.
08:11And one thing.
08:12Which in my opinion.
08:13About Abdul Hakeem Murad.
08:14It was very wise.
08:15It was that.
08:16They said.
08:17The books you read on Islam.
08:18Are written by non-Muslims.
08:19If you want to know more.
08:20About Christianity.
08:21Then don't read books of atheists.
08:22Instead.
08:23The writings of Christians.
08:24Are written by non-Muslims.
08:25If you want to know more.
08:26About Christianity.
08:27Then don't read books of atheists.
08:28Instead.
08:29The writings of Christians.
08:30If you want to know more.
08:31About Christianity.
08:32Then don't read books of atheists.
08:33Instead.
08:34The writings of Christians.
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08:37Then don't read books of atheists.
08:38Instead.
08:39The writings of Christians.
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08:42Then don't read books of atheists.
08:43Instead.
08:44The writings of Christians.
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