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00:00In Kharian, I did high school from FG public school and then I did FSC from FG degree college in Kharian.
00:10My father used to work in Denmark.
00:12So my family moved to Denmark.
00:16How did you get selected?
00:17Did you face any difficulties?
00:18It's not that easy to become a doctor.
00:19I was the first person in my family to go to college.
00:22Tell me, how many states did you go to in the USA?
00:24Ultimately, you got permanently settled in Connecticut.
00:26I came to New York.
00:27Everyone comes to New York.
00:29New York is like a mother.
00:31How many people have succeeded in bringing you to Pakistan?
00:35What is the current population in your area?
00:37Maybe around 100 Pakistani physicians.
00:39Pakistan has a very strange perception that America is our enemy.
00:43Of course, in America's foreign policy, when America did injustice to Pakistan,
00:47Pakistan did the same.
00:48But according to that foreign policy, you have to clean your own house.
00:54Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers.
00:56I am Mubeen Rashid, your host with a special series on 100 Successful Doctors in America.
01:02We are honored to have Dr. Babar Seema with us today.
01:05Tell us about your childhood.
01:07How did you decide to become a doctor?
01:09How important was it to become a doctor in your childhood?
01:11I am from Pakistan.
01:13I am from district Gujarat, Kharian.
01:16I did my education in Kharian.
01:18After doing FSC, I joined Lahore Medical College.
01:23What was your school like?
01:25How many siblings did you have?
01:27I have four siblings.
01:29I am the eldest.
01:31You must have faced a lot of pressure.
01:33Yes, there was a lot of pressure.
01:35But my family dynamics were unique.
01:37My father used to work in Denmark.
01:41So my family moved to Denmark.
01:45But I was the eldest, so I grew up with my grandparents.
01:50In Kharian, I did my high school from FG Public School.
01:56After that, I did my FSC from FG Degree College, Kharian.
02:00When did you realize that it was important to become a doctor?
02:03Why didn't any of your siblings become doctors?
02:05My youngest sister is a physician.
02:09She is a graduate of the University of Copenhagen.
02:11My grandfather wanted me to become a doctor.
02:15It was a big trend at that time.
02:17In our culture, elders used to decide.
02:21When we were growing up, we didn't have to become a doctor or an engineer.
02:26How did you get selected to become a doctor?
02:31At that time, there were only a few private colleges in Pakistan and Karachi.
02:35You did it in a government college.
02:37I came to Lahore Medical College in 1990.
02:42I am a dinosaur.
02:45I started medical college in 1990 and finished it in December 1995.
02:50When you were doing your B.Sc. in medical,
02:52were there any difficult subjects?
02:54Did you face any difficulties in your studies?
02:57In our first exam, we all went to see the results.
03:01I said, what happened?
03:03I did my exam in education.
03:06By the grace of Allah and the Prophet,
03:09all these things happened easily for me.
03:13At what level did you get the motivation to become a doctor?
03:16In a country where there are no doctors,
03:18why did you decide to become a doctor?
03:20When I was in my final year,
03:22a friend of mine came to me and said,
03:24what should I do?
03:26I said, let's go to England and do MRCP.
03:28Let's make money here.
03:30He said, you know,
03:32the person who is doing MRCP,
03:34his clinical attachment is still unpaid.
03:38Then I thought,
03:40how long will I keep taking money from home?
03:42That became my motivation.
03:44I said, let's go to America.
03:46In 1996, I went to Thailand for the exam.
03:49In December 1996, I came here.
03:51Which city did you come to?
03:53I came to New York.
03:55Everyone comes to New York.
03:57New York is like a mother.
03:59So I came to New York and
04:01in July 1997,
04:03I did my residency in Buffalo, New York.
04:05At that time, did you think about specialization?
04:07How did you come to this field?
04:09At that time, everyone wanted to become a cardiologist.
04:11Even my grandfather wanted me to become a cardiologist.
04:13But I had an intern with me, my friend, Dave.
04:17He was from Ophthalmology.
04:19I said, why didn't you become a cardiologist, Dave?
04:21Dave said, you know what,
04:23I want to have a quality of life.
04:25I said, what is a quality of life?
04:27He said,
04:29I want to balance my work and personal life.
04:33I said, Dave is right.
04:35We applied in the second year.
04:37Under the pressure of my family,
04:39I applied for cardiology.
04:41But when I had to mail it in the morning,
04:43at night I thought,
04:45life is not for me.
04:47I didn't apply.
04:49I told my grandfather that I didn't get it.
04:51At that time, I thought,
04:53which fields do I like?
04:55I interviewed in two fields,
04:57Rheumatology and Geriatrics.
04:59At that time, I decided to do Rheumatology.
05:01I started Rheumatology.
05:03After that, my Buffalo hospital called me.
05:05They sponsor me.
05:07When I got the job, I left it.
05:09There was an emerging field in America,
05:11Geriatric Medicine.
05:13At that time, this field was not big enough
05:15to take care of the elderly.
05:17I did specialization from the University of Louisville.
05:19After that, I did a lot of certification
05:21in Palliative Medicine.
05:23I did End of Life.
05:25Which year was this?
05:27This was in 2004.
05:29I did fellowship and training.
05:31Then I did
05:33Master of Business Administration MBA.
05:35Which year was this?
05:37University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
05:39Along with that,
05:41I did a Master of Science
05:43in Public Health at the University of Louisville.
05:45Because of Geriatrics,
05:47I got a chance to
05:49control my schedule.
05:51I continued my philanthropic
05:53social activities.
05:55Now,
05:57I am an Assistant Clinical Professor
05:59at the University of Louisville.
06:01I do hospital medicine
06:03with them.
06:05Apart from that, I do geriatric
06:07and palliative care practice.
06:09I am the Medical Director
06:11of the Nursing and Rehab Centers.
06:13Along with that,
06:15I am the Medical Director of Aging
06:17in the Kentucky State Department of Health.
06:19How many states have you visited in the USA?
06:21I am permanently settled in Connecticut.
06:23I have visited all the states.
06:25In Kentucky,
06:27I settled in
06:29Louisville.
06:31Although it is a republican state,
06:33the love and affection of the people
06:35of Kentucky
06:37was more welcoming than that of America.
06:39How many years have you been in Kentucky?
06:41I have been there for 20 years.
06:43As a physician,
06:45if you are in a place like Kentucky,
06:47you are a big fish in a pond.
06:49Whereas, in a place like New York,
06:51you are a big fish
06:53in the ocean.
06:55Very good.
06:57How many people have you succeeded
06:59in bringing here from Pakistan?
07:01What is the current population of this region?
07:03In the entire state of Kentucky,
07:05there must be around 100 Pakistani physicians.
07:07Tell us about your business,
07:09academics, and doctors.
07:11If you could compare
07:13both of them with the USA,
07:15what would you say?
07:17Pakistan is my land of birth.
07:19We can never repay Pakistan's debt.
07:21But, there is no country like America.
07:23People often look at America
07:25in terms of its foreign policy.
07:27But, people like the Americans,
07:29who are open-minded
07:31and even in the Trump era,
07:33I don't think
07:35they can be compared with any other country in the world.
07:37I wanted to ask you about business.
07:39Our Pakistani doctors do very little business.
07:41How much do you prefer
07:43and to what extent should a person
07:45or a group of people
07:47try to do business?
07:49This is a corporate world.
07:51Everyone has an individual goal in life.
07:53But, you should establish
07:55your own business
07:57as a medicine.
07:59Because, you learn from it
08:01and at the end of the day,
08:03you grow from it.
08:05In Pakistan,
08:07there is a strange perception
08:09that America is our enemy.
08:11There is a strange negative perception
08:13about the people
08:15who live in Kharia and Gujarat.
08:17The people of every country are good.
08:19But, the foreign policy of every country
08:21is different.
08:23Unfortunately,
08:25the politicians
08:27have an interest in fighting
08:29with each other.
08:31This increases their success.
08:33You have made a non-profit
08:35and you are doing some other extraordinary projects.
08:37You have two organizations.
08:39What do you think about that?
08:41The America that existed before 9-11,
08:43there can't be a more free society.
08:45The America that existed before 9-11,
08:47you are going to the airport
08:49to pick up your loved ones.
08:51They let you come to the gate of the plane.
08:53All of a sudden, it is 9-11.
08:55You see that Islam, Muslims
08:57come under the microscope.
08:59All of a sudden,
09:01the people around you
09:03wake up and ask,
09:05where did you come from?
09:07I remember, as a young physician,
09:09they called us and we did our fingerprinting.
09:11I went to the fingerprinting office
09:13and I didn't even know
09:15if I would come back or not.
09:17We have to tell them
09:19who we are.
09:21Instead of a media narrative
09:23that they see on Fox
09:25or on other platforms.
09:27I told a few of my friends
09:29that if we have to tell them,
09:31we have to do it through community service.
09:33For the past 14 years,
09:35we have been doing an Iftar dinner
09:37in a local church.
09:39There are 600 people in it.
09:41In the beginning, we used to call it
09:43a rabbi, a priest and an imam.
09:45Now, we have turned it into a social issue.
09:47We call the Azan and
09:49break our fast there.
09:5190% of the people
09:53are non-Muslims.
09:55They insist that
09:57they have to eat with us.
09:59People also talk about
10:01the future of medical science.
10:03You have seen the growth in the last 30 years.
10:05How can we implement it in Pakistan?
10:07What do you see in the next 5-10 years?
10:09In the next 20-30 years,
10:11you will see a cure for cancer.
10:13In that,
10:15America is leading
10:17in research.
10:19It is leading the world.
10:21Unfortunately,
10:23when I left Pakistan,
10:25I did not see any improvement.
10:27Most likely,
10:29it will deteriorate.
10:31There is a debt of the soil of the country.
10:33People want to contribute
10:35from where they started their lives.
10:37To what extent have you succeeded
10:39in contributing?
10:41Do you think you can contribute
10:43or will you suggest it to people?
10:45I have done a lot of projects
10:47with Jinnah Hospital in Lahore.
10:49One of the projects we did
10:51was Jinnah Allama Iqbal
10:53Diabetic and Endocrinology Center.
10:55This is a center
10:57where, after Agha Khan,
10:59FCPS, specialization in diabetes,
11:01is in Jinnah Hospital.
11:03This is one of our
11:05contributions.
11:07Have you introduced free services there?
11:09Yes, but unfortunately,
11:11as a Pakistani,
11:13I feel ashamed to say this,
11:15but in Pakistan,
11:17when you look for a partner on the ground,
11:19it is very difficult
11:21to find an honest partner.
11:23When we built this center,
11:25we approached the media,
11:27but they also demanded so much money
11:29that we could not afford it.
11:31How do you feel about this hurdle?
11:33How will you go to the government authorities?
11:35It is a shameful thing.
11:37I have created two non-profits
11:39in America.
11:41I did not get scared.
11:43Within a few weeks,
11:45I got approval from the IRS.
11:47In Pakistan, our alumni,
11:49Allama Iqbal Medical College,
11:51is frozen like other NGOs.
11:53We cannot send our funding there.
11:55We cannot send our funding there.
11:57To conclude,
11:59do you have a message
12:01for the community
12:03and your future?
12:05My background is middle class.
12:07I would like to tell the youth
12:09to work hard
12:11and do not look for shortcuts.
12:13You are as intelligent as an American
12:15or an Indian.
12:17It is only about opportunities.
12:19Believe in Allah and His Messenger.
12:21Keep an open mind
12:23and whatever you do,
12:25it will become gold.
12:27Dr. Babacino,
12:29your journey from Kharian to the US
12:31is a beautiful story.
12:33InshaAllah, in the next program,
12:35new doctors and inspiring stories
12:37will be presented to you.
12:39Till then, take care. Allah Hafiz.