He's Starsky, I'm Hutch (Documentary)

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00:00David soul was once the biggest star in the world as the cool blonde in Starsky and Hutch

00:08he was the guy every man wanted to be and every woman wanted to have he had a millionaire's

00:13lifestyle and a pay packet to match but at the height of his fame David soul threw it all away

00:20haunted by demons from his secret past he lost his four wives his mansion and his millions

00:26misunderstood himself a lot as I have as we all have he's trying to find his way never name your

00:36series after your lead character reason you can't fire him souls rollercoaster has taken him from

00:42rags to riches and back again but most shockingly it's also taken him from choir boy to sex toy I

00:48was a young and attractive kid I had to do a lot of things to stay alive I sold myself this is the

00:54story of how the most famous man on the planet went from pinup to hard-up there was a kind of

01:00sense that it would never go away meaning the house meaning the finance you know that it was

01:11there that was a big mistake in the 1970s David soul really did have it all Starsky and Hutch was

01:25a worldwide phenomenon watched by half a billion people in over a hundred countries David was a

01:31global superstar who was loved by everybody he was just getting mobbed by people wanting

01:38autographs and to talk to him it was kind of scary because it was a form of hysteria I think

01:43so many women you know just fell in love with David with with who he was and his wife to be

01:50even his talent and his stardom David's pulling power was legendary Davey was very much one of

01:59the guys so he had his beers and he was drinking he was on the phone or isn't the trailer with

02:04ladies David's relationship with women is mind-boggling we could walk in a party and I got

02:13to where I could look at that I could look around the room and I knew exactly the lady that was

02:18going to head for David somehow that girl would get her number in his pocket before he left that

02:28night soul was linked to two Charlie's Angels one Wonder Woman Cher and our very own Joan Collins

02:35despite being married extras and groupies were regular visitors on set you know we were presented

02:41as to bachelor cops to streetwise bachelor cops you know with all the macho accoutrements to go

02:50with it I just stuck my head in the sand and you know when something was really blatant there I

02:56would ask him and and he would deny it and so I buy it because you know I wanted to believe that

03:03hardest thing to learn to say in this town is no behind the image of the world's sexiest star

03:08lay a troubled compulsive man fame sex and alcohol were about to bring a halt to David

03:13soul's glamorous lifestyle it was a lifestyle he had never been equipped to deal with far from the

03:21glamour and hedonism of LA David Solberg was brought up in a strict religious community in

03:26Sioux Falls South Dakota here even in the 60s conservatism ruled divorce and sex before marriage

03:34were considered sinful we couldn't talk about anything feelings were not something you spoke

03:38about as a teenager at all we discovered sex on our own because we couldn't take it to the church

03:45we couldn't take it to our parents or we didn't feel we could in the 60s 60s but we're not an

03:51easy time difficult time for all of us and especially for someone who wanted to be free

04:03David was to turn family in the community upside down when he met his first love Mim we met when I

04:11was 15 and he was 16 I did get pregnant at when I was 18 and in pregnancy was certainly not

04:20intentional at that point and because of the time that it was it was very very terrifying the

04:27pregnancy was a disappointment to us of course because here he was a very young boy this is

04:32something that had never happened in my family and it certainly hadn't happened in David's family I

04:36just felt we'd been open-hearted enough so that that wasn't it wasn't fair to us but he was going

04:44to do it his way David's father hastily married the pair off but the high school lovers were not

04:50destined for a happy ending fresh from getting over one scandal David found himself in another

04:55involving his new wife and best friend Dan Weber Dan came over to our house on his motorcycle we

05:02talked and so forth and then we started to make out and it moved along a little further than that

05:07I was at least partially disrobed and David came back and found us there and there was

05:16Mim with my friend Dan and something just snapped a rage kicked in kind of blacked out of that whole

05:31thing I don't know I think I threw him around a bit I don't remember I remember the neighbors

05:37coming down and grabbing my son because there was a lot of noise a lot of things being smashed

05:43around and so forth the torment of his first relationship was to scar David's soul forever

05:48and become the catalyst for a remarkable journey I think what I've tried to tell myself over the

05:53years is that with all of the other kinds of things that have happened to me I've managed

05:58somehow blame it on that moment as if that moment was what really turned me over he left he was not

06:07thrown out he just ran away he took his father's suitcase and went and that was kind of shocking

06:19because we weren't that kind of people I remember the day that he actually left I was sitting on the

06:25couch crying and I remember Christopher coming up sitting on my lap and wiping the tears oh very

06:35hard at only 22 leaving a wife and son behind him David soul headed for the bright lights of New

06:44York his troubled road to stardom had begun it would prove more shocking and shameful than he

06:51could ever have imagined New York 1965 a city that promised fame and fortune to thousands of

07:00incoming one of his for a 22 year old leaving behind a wife and child the chances of success

07:05seems slim but bizarrely with a $1 ski mask and a little singing talent David soul pushed himself

07:13into the national limelight I am the covered man many girls and many guys complain that life is

07:24such a task they don't seem to realize in many ways they wear a mask who is David soul my real

07:38name is the soul burg we cut the burg and David soul had a kind of nice ring to it

07:56none of us have ever seen him although he's been here for rehearsals everybody I met in the business

08:02I met with a mask on and I also refused to speak I said my except to say my name is David soul and

08:12I want to be known for my music and then I shut up I'm at peace with myself I'm at peace with

08:20my soul and as long as I'm me I can reach any goal and my soul is serene I don't have to be

08:33I remember thinking he's so gorgeous why doesn't he show his face one of the most peculiar acts in

08:49history had given David soul a taste of fame a regular stint on Merv Griffin's talk show saw the

08:55covered man signed up by MGM Records flush with success he decided to take the mask off but of

09:01course once I took the mask off the interest stopped oh it's just another young kid who wants

09:05to play guitar and sing okay well get in line pal as the interest died off so did the cash and David

09:14found himself in the same desperate plight as many other out-of-work wannabes young beautiful

09:20and broke he resorted to selling himself sexually to make ends meet I was green I was a kind of

09:31midnight cowboy in a way during that period there were they tried I had to do a lot of things to

09:39stay alive you know I sold myself I was a I was a young and attractive kid who's invited to places

09:47and there were people that I didn't really know they came over for parties and stuff like that

09:53they'd you know among them were men who were very you know how lonely people would you like to come

10:02have coffee sometime yeah I'd love to you know and then they began you know explored weeks but

10:12you know we would talk about their problems you know and one thing led to another and I was broke

10:17that's how it works I don't think he well he probably didn't want me to know that it was that

10:26it was that bad I think at that point in our relationship what was left of it he probably

10:33wanted me to think that he was doing okay I think as the time went on I felt I started to feel used

10:42you know because I certainly am NOT gay I never have been David's dark and secret life drew him

10:52into some of the city's most glamorous circles including Andy Warhol and his infamous factory

10:57scene I didn't know Andy Warhol from you know shinola and I was you know meat for the grinder

11:08in that place he had these sort of committees that would grill you about your your sexual

11:16fantasies and I went through this process so that I could be set up you know has a little

11:24boy toy for somebody and I must have been there going three or four times I think and finally

11:33just I mean it just made me sick it's basically he was he had his people his henchmen they would

11:39use people they just manipulate it was drugs going on there was sex going on there was everything was

11:44going on there and then he would pan himself off as some sort of an artist really made me sick with

11:53a bleak future ahead David's soul received a call out of the blue that was to change his life I

11:57called Merv Griffin and I said that fellow who who sang and with the paper bag over his head

12:04see an actor he says a matter of fact yes and he's a good one Renee you should know that I

12:10would like to meet him and Merv Griffin set up the meeting Renee signed up David immediately and

12:15it was she who first introduced the future Starsky and Hutch I first met David we were doing a

12:20showcase at the Lambs Club in New York or introduced to it by Renee Valente Paul Glazer

12:28and I met as two perspiring aspiring actors we weren't hanging out together we you know he was

12:39doing his thing I was doing mine and I ran into him at the Joe Allen's which was a restaurant set

12:45up primarily for actors who weren't out who were out of work so the table was set in a sense Renee

12:52contracted David to a young actors program and took him to Hollywood with dreams of becoming a

12:56movie star hooray hooray hooray hooray hooray hooray well it's the land of the Rose Jaguar

13:09the only town I know we're a caddy David played hard and he worked hard on every level and everybody

13:16loved the quality and he also had a shyness about him that you know women love he was just down for

13:28stardom I mean no question it's like that old song said David's training program led to bit parts in

13:35TV series and finally a break into movies starring opposite Clint Eastwood got him noticed by some TV

13:43producers casting for a new cop show we had all seen Magnum Force and we're just blown out by

13:51David Souls performance we knew David was going to be Hutch and we didn't know who was going to

13:56play Starsky but we never looked at anyone else after we saw David they wanted me to play this

14:03guy Hutch and I saw him it's nothing more than a bland white bread I didn't like him I wanted to

14:08play Starsky I was told very quickly that Starsky was not my part we could not find David Starsky we

14:18could not find this guy I kind of went and read for it I wasn't that invested in it I'd read a

14:29number of guys to play the Starsky role when he walked in it was you know I knew this guy they

14:36cast us and I turned to him and I said well this is bizarre here we go the iconic action-packed

14:47titles said it all a new cop duo were born despite the pair's misgivings about the show we felt safe

14:54and doing the pilot because we didn't feel it was gonna go there was no way Starsky and Hutch

14:59was gonna go as a series writing was bad it was just that was awful lighting the photography the

15:07writing may not have impressed Paul but it wowed the viewing audience who loved the show it was

15:12picked up immediately for a series and became an instant hit with millions of adoring viewers

15:17back in the 70s these guys were who you wanted to be they got the girls cool they could beat

15:28the crap out of anybody who wouldn't want to be Starsky and Hutch time we set up some new lines

15:38of communication here now y'all know me and Hutch that's Hutch over there with fat Raleigh prior to

15:47Starsky and Hutch police shows were about police shows this show was not and y'all know we're cops

15:53and we know you know and we know that you don't like us the crime is the easiest thing the thing

16:00that made the show work was they had to solve their relationship on screen the viewers saw

16:06the genuine relationship between soul and glazer and it proved the show's secret to success how

16:12to go with Cindy last night acceptable acceptable you're still seeing what's her name sure still

16:22seeing what's her name took her to the whatchamacallit and gave her my thingamajig

16:27I didn't know it was that serious they meshed you know and it's it's it's implicit and it's it's not

16:37something you can put into words it's in body language it's inside long glances it's in timing

16:43it's in reactions it's in listening to the other guy and reacting and they did that from the first

16:49frame one of the things that Starsky and Hutch did do was it it made it okay for two men to show

16:57their feelings about each other which we shouldn't be ashamed of you're the best friend I got the

17:02whole world you think I like saying things like this to you their touchy-feely relationship single

17:12them out from any cop show before or since they call it male bonding and obviously nowadays you

17:20have to be careful with that because there's so many gays around but the truth is that never

17:24occurred to anyone of course because they couldn't be more masculine and more heterosexual in both

17:32cases a sexual undercurrent I don't like black-haired girly Jews I like blondes isn't any

17:40friendship a love story I have elements of it so you don't have to analyze it to death there's no

17:49great thing here this isn't like the second coming of Christ I mean this is this is a television show

17:58about a couple of guys who are friends there we go that's a good thing between us you know when

18:12you corner I don't end up in your lap while Starsky and Hutch were the undoubted stars of the show

18:17they shared their celebrity with another the striped tomato that was their Ford Gran Torino

18:22became the most famous cop car ever we started something in television that had not been done

18:38previous to that and that was car chases they used to take the trunk and they put the sound man in

18:50there and I stopped doing that well they used the director used to ride with us in the back he

18:56stopped doing that I just could never get past the idea of two detectives driving around chasing

19:07criminals undercover to cover inconspicuous I'm starting to get the eevee jeebies sitting here I

19:15really am this is pretty scary a lot a lot faster and a lot there you go full series of Starsky and

19:32Hutch had made Sol and Glazer global icons but behind the cameras egos were on the rise when

19:38they were offered the parts they were very excited about doing it and then after a while

19:44they're getting they're saying I'm playing the same character every week duh yes it's called

19:52a television series it was kind of a cruel joke played on me by myself when Starsky and Hutch

19:58became a hit because all of a sudden I was a celebrity and I went oh my god I'm being made

20:04a celebrity for this the show is successful because it's successful I do the best work I

20:09can do David is the best work he can do producers do the best work they can do Paul used to stop

20:15production and I have to run down in the set he says I'm not gonna shoot this piece of shit David

20:21wouldn't do that as Paul wrestled with his art David wrestled with his conscience his phenomenal

20:29stardom brought him no peace from his past by 1979 with the world at his feet David pressed

20:36his own self-destruct button the dark days were about to begin by the late 1970s David Sol had

20:47reached the height of his fame he was one of the most recognized actors of his generation but the

20:52increasingly heavy workload was starting to take its toll on both Starsky and Hutch

21:00the workload of actors in our television series is the worst directors have to they're constantly

21:09looking at their watch because you know you can get this great shot but if you don't have eight

21:12pages by the end of the day you're dead man these guys would have to be ready to shoot or in makeup

21:19sometimes six seven o'clock in the morning and they leave sometimes at midnight they were in

21:2390% of all the scenes they were constantly writing the show constantly editing the show

21:36because they had to get it out on the air and they were always just one show ahead of that

21:43schedule there are just to just simply come unglued it's more physical anything else but

21:50the intensity of the pressure which is unremitting it takes a serious toll while David had achieved

21:58global fame his family stayed true to their Christian roots his brother became a minister

22:03and his sister married a pastor in contrast David lived a decadent life full of women and parties

22:08the battle between his past and present so I'm increasingly turned to alcohol it's not that

22:15alcoholism ruined David's life it's that I think David's life would have been a lot better if he

22:20hadn't had to cope with that demon as well and I burned candle at both ends I found gratification

22:26in ways that would satisfy the moment drinking I know David was drinking we were all drinking

22:35and using other things all of us who love him you know tried very hard to help him but if you

22:48know anything about alcoholics the only person that can help an alcoholic is himself 11 11 30

22:54in the morning I'd notice the timing would be slipping a little bit that pissed me off my

23:00trailer was always like oh it's open and the beer starts falling and before you know it you've you

23:07know you've had three or four or five six beers now you get your car you drive home and alcohol

23:16was real real friend and escape it was it was this it was the soothing thing didn't help me

23:26soothing as David relied more and more on drink to get through the days the tight-knit Starsky

23:33and Hutch team started to unravel by 1979 the boys had had enough of the cast the crew and

23:39each other never name your series after your lead character reason you can't fire him by the fourth

23:46year Paul said he wanted to be home and work in his garden while it was still light he came in

23:51early David thereby said well I don't like working in the morning I'm coming in late so we had a this

23:58small window then they each wanted to direct

24:00look at the end of the day we were both trying to get the job done let's be very straight about

24:25that we're trying to get the job done when they were offered a fifth year at a great deal of money

24:31in those days they turned it down David and Paul turned down over a million dollars a year each the

24:37equivalent today of four and a half million dollars that close bond had reached breaking

24:42point I was not physically up to it anymore but there wasn't just physical there wasn't there

24:49was a sense that we got to move on now then ended because they were tired of us and we were tired

24:59of them to the horror of their millions of fans the famous duo split while Paul moved into directing

25:10David soul returned to singing this time without the mask remarkably in 1977 former detective Ken

25:18Hutchinson became the UK's biggest selling solo artist I remember looking over into the seats

25:29and seeing young teenage girls sobbing hysterically it was kind of scary I felt almost it sometimes

25:37almost like I didn't deserve what it what it happened to me from the amount of money I made

25:47to the stardom nice to be applauded and screamed after one you know part of you but it the other

25:57part is just I don't know what to do with it tired of drifting searching shifting from town

26:07every time I slip from the side

26:19I can't blame you if you won't

26:21after every from TV to music David soul seemingly couldn't put a foot wrong but at home his drinking

26:31was becoming an increasing problem it didn't come to terms with it and I think that's what blew me

26:37into the 80s you know and then things really hit the fan you know and I rage the kind of rage came

26:46out of me David's rage I've always thought it was a chemical reaction when he drinks too much rage

26:55comes very easily David's drinking that's at times impacted on everybody's life around him from his

27:05work colleagues right the way through to his wife and two wives and children and girlfriends and

27:12and everything else I had a period of domestic violence which I I loathe talking about because

27:19usually when I talk about it today it's as if it was it's as if it's news or something this happened

27:26in 1983 by now David was on to his third marriage to Patti Carmel Sherman the impact of his alcohol

27:35abuse was becoming apparent I was working I was juicing up pretty good at the end of the day when

27:42I called said I would be home for dinner she said if you come home I'll have the cops here well

27:48that's all you have to say in the car straight home I may be lying back to the bedroom and I

27:57was blind and I picked her up and I slapped her a couple of times pretty hard her mouth was bloody

28:07and I did her in the eye across the face and I remember awful awful remorse in the moment

28:22it happened David's personal situation with then-wife hit the newspapers and he was basically

28:36blacklisted I always tried to tell the actors save your money because this may never happen

28:48again I mean I hope it does for you but the odds are against it happening he just fell that fell

29:00from grace but just fell from where he really wanted to be that happens to most of them you

29:07know I had more money than I've ever had I had a house at the top of the hill 25 years ago David

29:15Saul was designing his own mansion in the Hollywood Hills the success of his musical and

29:20acting career meant he could realize his dream of building the perfect home it's the first house

29:24that I've owned and it's not it's not that it's not the idea of having it it's the idea of having

29:33there was a kind of sense that it would never go away meaning the house meaning the finance you

29:47know that it was there when you see somebody who has the talent the charisma the charm the looks

29:56the connections and the power that David had and you see it being wasted it is extremely

30:09frustrating this is the first time David has returned to see the home he gave up in 1985

30:16oh that's right you were right you were Starsky no oh you were Starsky Victoria

30:26principal was right there Hollywood is really built on what's going on for you now are you

30:32successful now I'll bow to you oh you were successful yesterday sorry I don't have time

30:36oh

30:4295 55

30:53I've said my house David's home was destroyed by an earthquake in 1994 and has since been rebuilt

31:01it's a very hard when you think it's never will end and you have your youth and your

31:07looks and all those things that you know that that you think are keys to success

31:12and if you buy into that then you can be disappointed

31:16it's not my house whilst David's world seemed to be falling apart his problems

31:32paled into insignificance compared to the tragedy that befell poor Michael Glaser and

31:37his family our past is a very painful one for we have already lost one child to AIDS

31:44our daughter Ariel who died a year and a half ago Ariel contracted this strange illness blood

31:52disease nobody knew it was AIDS they didn't they didn't it was just something they couldn't

31:59identify and she got progressively sicker and weaker and finally she died at 7 and then the

32:06realization came that Elizabeth also had it Elizabeth Glaser had contracted HIV from a

32:14blood transfusion and unwittingly passed it on to Ariel and her son Jake she soon became America's

32:20most prominent campaigner against the spread of the virus it was heartbreaking it was heartbreaking

32:25I mean there's there's nothing else you can say about it I mean you can say what a bad break you

32:33know and they were very much in love and they had a great family life and it was just tragic

32:38it's one of those instances where you just stand off and say I don't know that I could have handled

32:43it how did he I hope I could I hope I'd be that strong you know the thing about experience like

32:48that is a loss of empowerment how do you deal with something like this so it's kind of hard

32:55to describe it beyond that everyone has their own way I am here because my son and I may not

33:03survive four more years of leaders who say they care but do nothing she worked tirelessly in spite

33:14of her illness you know to bring attention to this disease that had taken her child and was

33:19going to take her Elizabeth Glaser died in 1994 six years after her daughter Ariel Paul's son Jake

33:26continues to live with HIV 25 years after the final Starsky and Hutch series ended all that's

33:44left of David souls Californian life is stored in a lockup in LA I've been away from Los Angeles

33:58for 10 years and this has been sitting here for that long it's like a like a grave like a tomb

34:03as my daughter China that's me I think that's mud stick up when I caught pneumonia well it's it's

34:18no good to us now is it the former detective Ken Hutchinson starred in the coolest cop show of all

34:24time but now Starsky and Hutch has had a Hollywood makeover for the big screen what do you think

34:31about that movie I believe you two know each other why don't you do me a favor and go get

34:36yourself another perm and let the grown-ups talk for your information my hair is naturally curly

34:42what's not touching why are you touching him I mean is it is it a is it how should I say is it

34:53a compliment to us of course it's calm yeah it's a tip of the hat it's a compliment it's a fair

35:00amount of exploitation good luck to them I wish we had a piece of it no kidding once we had a

35:07piece of our own show you want to say that bookkeeping that's another subject despite

35:14the series ending in 1979 the Starsky and Hutch franchise continues to flourish as well as the

35:20movie a DVD of the complete first season has now been released to buy but David and Paul won't be

35:26getting a penny I have not good feelings about the way in which the business of these years of

35:34Starsky and Hutch has been handled in terms of Paul and myself we got nothing on it we get nothing

35:39out of that series now they've got the film another in the DVD but Paul and I have seen

35:44absolutely nothing out of that and I find that to be reprehensible that we could be as involved in

35:53it as we as we have been for these many years and not be acknowledged in a financial sense it's

35:59our annuity in a sense but what's important here is the contract well you signed it away David

36:06signed away his rights to the show for a mere hundred thousand dollars in 1979 but this money

36:11went the same way as the rest of his fortune as he plowed it into child support for his six

36:16children and a variety of failed films on worthy but on commercial subjects David was lost for a

36:22while and took some wrong turns into in terms of his acting career there was an element of

36:29social relevance to everything he tried to do the character that most fascinated me at that time was

36:39it was a the Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer who became my passion and idol I wanted to do a

36:47film on his life he shot reams of footage in South Dakota on a project called wounded knee

36:55which I believe is probably still sitting in a vault somewhere and has never been seen I wanted

37:00to find out about my roots I wanted to find out more about who I was and why I felt the way I

37:04felt and I you know and I acted on it and I spent a lot of money he spent a fortune on developing a

37:15documentary about steelworkers in I think it's Pittsburgh where his brother was a minister

37:22production was cut in half a quarter of a million jobs were lost and suicide and divorce rates

37:28skyrocketed the Monongahela Valley had changed for good and all of these these things were I

37:35think a reflection of David trying to find himself the thing is I think he's still looking I don't

37:41think he's found it yet his journey to find himself brought him in 1996 to London where he

37:48now lives in a modest two-bedroom flat making a living in theater and TV that's one of those

37:53classic stories of going to do three or six months stint and ending up staying six or eight years I

38:01found I liked it here a lot I've been so sort of disappointed and in Los Angeles I suppose part of

38:07the reason being that I'd spent so many years there it just seemed like the right time I've

38:11always kind of acted on my whim which is not necessarily a good thing but it sure has opened

38:17the door for a lot of experiences you know I quote-unquote created Starsky and Hutch but he

38:24was Hutch you know and that's that's his guy life just somehow doesn't always throw the dice the way

38:32it should and I understand his frustration I understand his pride I don't know what the fix

38:37is I don't I don't know that there is a fix and although there's no financial benefit for the

38:42British premiere of the Starsky and Hutch film David soul took to the red carpet once more Starsky

38:48and Hutch has been in a lot of ways for for them as well as for me a certain amount of a cross

38:53this one is a slightly different take of the relationship between the two of you in the film

39:01when you're in a television series that becomes a huge hit it's a magical thing and it's very hard

39:11to recapture that magic you move on you do other things you know the release of the film has once

39:17again linked David to his most famous role he and Paul Michael Glazer even partly endorse it

39:22appearing in a cameo role to hand over the legendary Gran Torino to the new Starsky and

39:27Hutch Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson you selling this car well actually your friend up there has

39:35already paid for it

39:41give me keys

39:44Starsky

39:50thanks

39:53you don't want to just be remembered for Hutch but you don't want to be forgotten either

39:57didn't it close the door on your career and all this kind it goes with the territory it's part of

40:11the story guys come on I am NOT Hutch you know or Hutch is not me

40:22let me ask you something which one do you like cuz we're gonna stick to this I've always had a

40:36thing for blondes cuz I'll take anything we try not to get photographed with you guys too often

40:41because it's like Starsky and Hutch light or something I'm Hutch he's Starsky that was the

40:47most bizarre experience was watching the premiere sitting across from you because I never thought

40:51that's why I said to you before you went in don't expect too much

40:55whoa you coming it's nice that people are sort of like you know they really do they love the show

41:03don't give up on us baby Lord knows I just can't sing I can't even like clamp it like it was great

41:14although Paul and David appear good-humored about their successors the bitterness from the

41:23lack of money and control over their Starsky and Hutch image it's not far from the surface

41:27but David the use of one of his greatest hits in the film is particularly grating obviously it's a

41:34strange to to sit there in the theater and watch Owen Wilson singing a song that David soul did

41:39and it was not the character of Hutch you know the Hutch is a character unto himself and David

41:47soul is the guy who is a singer or also a singer despite David's anger over the song he's re-releasing

41:56it as a single at the end of March along with the greatest hits album of his finest work

42:01shifted from town to town I care about David he's had a remarkable journey and he's had a

42:14remarkable struggle misunderstood himself a lot as I have as we all have he's trying to find his

42:24way he was very strong when he came to New York not having anything it was very strong when we

42:50went out to LA he had dreams he has to have those dreams again

42:56there were times when we were very sad

43:19but we were also very proud in the long run

43:28I used to pray that he would

43:39I'd like him to be happy I'm sorry

44:09if you can do one thing in your lifetime that is remembered that gives such joy to audiences

44:16count yourself lucky if you've come late to the OC then catch up this Saturday afternoon when

44:25e4 presents the first three episodes all over again back-to-back that's from 530 now though

44:31or next though I should say we come face to face with Sweden's most luscious buns in euro trash

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