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Why didn’t Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar join the Awam Pakistan Party???
Why didn’t Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar join the Awam Pakistan Party???
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00:00Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, when I was saying political leadership, you smiled meaningfully.
00:05First tell me, do you intend to establish a political platform in the near future?
00:10This is political leadership, I have been saying it from the beginning.
00:14He has done politics in the party without even going there.
00:17So Mustafa, we were understanding that when Mr. Miftah launches the party, you will be a part of it.
00:22Why didn't you become a part of that party?
00:25Yes, thank you Mr. Badami.
00:28The reason I didn't become a part of it was that there was a difference of opinion and it was limited to this extent.
00:34The timing, in our opinion and in the opinion of some other friends, didn't seem appropriate.
00:40And we felt that we should wait a little.
00:43And I myself was a proponent of this, that we should form a political party.
00:50But on the 8th, just like my interpretation was proved wrong,
00:53and the interpretation of many intellectuals in Pakistan was proved wrong,
00:57the situation after the 8th is a completely different situation.
01:02The people of Pakistan, despite all the difficulties, gave majority to Tehreek-e-Insaf and gave them votes.
01:10So I think we are in a new territory in which the society has become very polarized
01:16and a new political party is likely to emerge after some time.
01:22We don't see it right now.
01:24So this was our opinion and my opinion.
01:26So is it possible that whenever there is the next election,
01:29or before that, you should announce your withdrawal from this platform,
01:33or you will have another platform, whatever it is?
01:36We will see. It is still before the time.
01:40Let's see what direction the national politics takes.
01:44What we are discussing right now,
01:46that the arrival and departure of political parties in this country,
01:50has been in some form or the other for the last 70 years.
01:53But can we solve the problems of the country?
01:55Can we give relief to the people?
01:57What introduction are we taking to the world after 77 years?
02:03Our introduction, unfortunately, and it is sad to say this,
02:07that we are taking the introduction of a failed state.
02:11A country where terrorism is on the rise,
02:13where human life is not safe,
02:15where there is no justice,
02:16where health and education facilities are not available,
02:19where all the politicians, judges, generals, bureaucrats,
02:24big investors are involved.
02:27We have made such an exploitative state,
02:32in which everyone has protected their interests,
02:35but no one is looking at the 25 crore people,
02:37no one is looking at the challenges that are coming to the country.
02:40And today, the political parties are present in power,
02:43but are they able to deliver?
02:45So, there are a lot of questions for Pakistan,
02:49and my point of view is that,
02:52we have not been able to solve a fundamental contradiction for 77 years.
02:56And that fundamental contradiction is that,
02:58who is going to run Pakistan in the end?
03:01Who is going to govern?
03:03And even today, the discussion we are having with Faiz Hamid,
03:07in this, the law, the military act,
03:10probably section 25 or 26,
03:13I was seeing that,
03:15it has a restriction on any retired officer,
03:18to participate in political activities for 2 years,
03:21and if he has been in a sensitive position,
03:24then the restriction is of 5 years.
03:26On this, we are definitely hearing through the media,
03:30and this was also mentioned in the press conference of DGISPR,
03:33that on post-retirement activities,
03:36on political activities,
03:38they will be restricted.
03:40But even today, we are not saying that,
03:44during the service,
03:46the process that was going on,
03:48today, there is no restriction on that.
03:50We have to solve this contradiction,
03:52that in the end,
03:54will it be done according to the will of the ruling people in this country,
03:57or will it be decided in closed rooms,
03:59And Mustafa bhai, what is the practical solution to this?
04:01This is a very simple thing,
04:03which is my opinion, and I am sure yours too,
04:05that the politicians have to run the country,
04:07let them run it,
04:09they will also do corruption,
04:11this should not be done,
04:13this will be a bad democracy,
04:15the quality of democracy will be very bad,
04:17but the solution to a bad democracy is a better democracy,
04:19you should not intervene,
04:21the people will throw the political party out,
04:23Zia sahib could not crush the People's Party,
04:25bad governance has restricted the People's Party,
04:27let the governments do it for 5 years,
04:29the country will get better,
04:31the institutions will be strong,
04:33the country will get better,
04:35this is my opinion, and yours too,
04:37now, what do you think is the practical solution,
04:39I take the support of Fawad Chaudhary,
04:41he says,
04:43those who have power,
04:45they will not go back on my request,
04:47probably he says,
04:49all stakeholders should sit together,
04:51and someone else should take the lead,
04:53then only the solution will be found,
04:55or just request the politicians,
04:57then only the solution will be found,
04:59or just request the establishment,
05:01then only the solution will be found,
05:03what is the solution?
05:05See, the solution is this,
05:07there is no rocket science,
05:09if other countries in the world have progressed,
05:11we leave the world,
05:13we start travelling together with India,
05:15but today,
05:17where has India reached,
05:19and where are we standing,
05:21and what is the difference between the two countries,
05:23the difference is that,
05:25without wasting any time,
05:27they made their own constitution,
05:29and started their journey towards democracy,
05:31in Pakistan,
05:33under the adult franchise,
05:35the first election takes place in 1970,
05:37and till that time,
05:39there have been 4 elections in India,
05:41their 3 parliaments,
05:43have completed their term,
05:45and they are going towards the 4th election,
05:47and we were from 47 to 58,
05:49I think we had 9-10 ministers,
05:51without parliament and elections,
05:53it is a new thing,
05:55that I don't change my pyjamas,
05:57as much as the ministers in Pakistan do,
05:59yes,
06:01and this is a debate,
06:03that nations decide in the beginning,
06:05and after Jinnah's death,
06:07I think the idea of Pakistan,
06:09was hijacked,
06:11the kind of personality,
06:13the kind of Pakistan they wanted,
06:15a liberal, progressive Pakistan,
06:17and there are many evidences,
06:19that what was their role in international politics,
06:21how Pakistan's face,
06:23was presented to the world,
06:25but we kept moving away from all that,
06:27then there were wars in the region,
06:29super powers were involved,
06:31and ultimately,
06:33when we saw the political class,
06:35being released,
06:37under ABDO,
06:39the people who were involved in making Pakistan,
06:41in Tehreek-e-Pakistan,
06:43who had a big part,
06:45a military dictator said to all of them,
06:47that they are not qualified for politics,
06:49and after that,
06:51the role of our establishment,
06:53in politics, kept increasing,
06:55the regional wars,
06:57they didn't help,
06:59the regional wars,
07:01suspended our establishment.
07:03You told us the background of this,
07:05I will come back to you in a while,
07:07and then we will come to the conclusion,
07:09and I will say something light on this,
07:11one is Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's mindset,
07:13I don't think he is in an official position,
07:15but we all know his mindset,
07:17he wants to strengthen his establishment,
07:19and only after that,
07:21he can push others back,
07:23otherwise this will remain the same,
07:25I will come back to this,