Imran Khan Kay Badalte Bayanat kisi Hikmat e Amli ka Nateeja??? Expert Analysis
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Imran Khan Kay Badalte Bayanat kisi Hikmat e Amli ka Nateeja??? Expert Analysis
Imran Khan Kay Badalte Bayanat kisi Hikmat e Amli ka Nateeja??? Expert Analysis
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00:00In the last few days, there were riots in the UK against anti-Muslims, Islamophobia
00:05and also against immigration.
00:07In which petrol bombs were thrown,
00:10Muslims were tortured.
00:12Now the cases are moving ahead and the cases are moving very fast.
00:15It's not like Pakistan where the cases are very fast.
00:18Justice Francis Rafferty is in the Belfast Magistrate's Court.
00:21Two bail cases came before him.
00:23One of 18-year-old Cameron Armstrong and one of 33-year-old Colin Moneybenny.
00:29In the case of Armstrong, his lawyer said that
00:32his client went to the periphery to see what was happening.
00:38The judge replied that in such incidents,
00:41where there are riots, where petrol bombs are being thrown,
00:44being nearby will also be a sign of being involved.
00:50That is, in any way, bail cannot be granted
00:53only on the basis that they have come to see nearby.
00:57In any way, the observer cannot be separated from those people
01:02who were involved in all these incidents.
01:05Now let's see this in the context of Pakistan.
01:07It's 9th May, many people are in jail.
01:10Many workers are in jail.
01:12Many FIRs have been filed against the leaders of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
01:16And the situation has not been resolved yet.
01:20Because of which there is confusion.
01:22On one hand, it is said that it is being done on the basis of political victimization.
01:25To get CCTV footage and to form a judicial commission.
01:28On the other hand, it is being said that
01:30all this has been done on the basis of organized conspiracy.
01:34And Mr. Imran Khan has said that the protest outside the GHQ
01:38should be taken as a confession of crime.
01:41So this is the situation.
01:42At this time, Mr. Murtaza Solangi is also with me.
01:44Mr. Majid Nizami is also present.
01:46Thank you both very much for joining us.
01:47Mr. Solangi, we will start with you.
01:49In the UK situation, the results of the cases are coming out.
01:54Laws are being cancelled.
01:55Bills are not being granted.
01:56We are still stuck here.
01:57One year has passed, Mr. Solangi.
01:58Thank you very much.
01:59You gave a very good example, Judge Rasoti.
02:02She asked that 18-year-old young man in Belfast.
02:08Who said that I was just there.
02:11And she also said that my sister told me to come back.
02:15Something is going on there.
02:16And this is what his lawyer said.
02:19He said that he did not do anything.
02:21So the judge said that in such a situation,
02:25it is not necessary that you throw a brick or a petrol bomb.
02:30There, your presence in that area is also a crime
02:37in the capacity of an ex-spy.
02:40What was happening there that you came here?
02:45When you know that there is a public disorder here.
02:49And you see that the Department of Justice,
02:54they, the crime prosecution,
02:57which opened the courts for a long time,
03:03did it before, a few years ago,
03:05did it now,
03:06France did the same,
03:08America did it on 6th January,
03:10the attack on Capitol Hill.
03:12It is also important to give an example of the West.
03:16In our country, some people,
03:19by giving examples of the West,
03:21and in the name of human rights, freedom,
03:25and peaceful protest,
03:27they defend extremist movements.
03:32Take your example of 9th May,
03:34which is 14-15 months old.
03:37You have an open source video,
03:42in which their leaders went,
03:44in which Mr. Khan himself said,
03:46look, if you catch me like this,
03:50then what do you think,
03:52that there will be no reaction?
03:54Their relatives, their sisters, their nephews,
03:57their top leaders,
03:59their inflammatory conversations,
04:02everything is there.
04:04But you see,
04:05neither the punishment of the military courts
04:08has been allowed to be implemented by the Supreme Court,
04:11nor has there been any major conjunction
04:14with the courts of the Supreme Court.
04:16I'll get back to you on this point.
04:18Mr. Nizami, let's look at the flip side.
04:21In the UK, where the constitution is not written,
04:24but things go according to the constitution,
04:26where the constitution is written,
04:28but things don't go according to the constitution,
04:30there, any kind of riot,
04:33even in its periphery,
04:35there has been a change in its inclusion.
04:39There is no exchange of whether you were there,
04:42or whether you threw a petrol bomb or not.
04:44That is left behind.
04:45If you are there,
04:46it means that your bail will be cancelled,
04:48or no, it will not be granted.
04:50Now, if you look here in Pakistan,
04:52then in Pakistan,
04:53we are already shocked,
04:54whatever happens,
04:55ten people come to see,
04:56a hundred people gather,
04:57in any case.
04:58If they start implementing this in Pakistan,
05:01then don't you think that a lot of people
05:03who have really come to see,
05:05they will also be caught?
05:07And a lot of people are taking this kind of plea,
05:09regarding the 9th May incident,
05:11that we didn't do anything,
05:12our children didn't do anything,
05:13our relatives didn't do anything,
05:15they were only present there.
05:16Now, if we compare these two,
05:17then how can we implement it in Pakistan?
05:20Thank you very much.
05:21Absolutely, the 9th May incident
05:23is an extremely sensitive matter,
05:25which should be investigated
05:27impartially and transparently,
05:29and each and every criminal should be punished for it.
05:31For the first time,
05:32the state is also having to suffer this.
05:34Earlier, the public used to suffer this every day.
05:36Now, the state is also taking the consequences of this,
05:38regarding the law here,
05:40which is also incomplete.
05:42Now, I would like to give you just a small example,
05:44which you can count as a grain of rice.
05:47If we read the Jana House's FIR,
05:49which is the 96-23 FIR,
05:51which is the most important FIR.
05:53Now, it is written in it,
05:54that Ali Ameen Ghandapur,
05:56there are different names in this reference,
05:58Ali Ameen Ghandapur's name is also in it,
06:00that he ordered,
06:01that go and destroy the military institutions
06:06such words are written.
06:08Now, the same Ali Ameen Ghandapur,
06:10in the Apex Committee,
06:11in front of the heads of all the military institutions,
06:13is present in front of them extensively.
06:15There is exchange of thoughts,
06:16there is salutation,
06:17there is exchange of smiles.
06:19After that, they go to their homes,
06:20they go to their homes,
06:21but that man,
06:23who was present there,
06:25he has been in jail for 15 months.
06:27Then it is written in the FIR,
06:29that Mian Mahmood Rashid and Mian Aslam Iqbal,
06:31these are the people who have been MP and PM three times,
06:34that they have fired from their hands,
06:36and killed people.
06:38Now, the prosecution is not worthy of the Punjab government,
06:41that they have written this,
06:43but now someone has to prove this in the court.
06:45No one knows that.
06:47This is the most important FIR,
06:49of which I am telling you.
06:51And now we expect that,
06:53the riots that took place that day,
06:55the prisoners of that will be punished,
06:57it seems very difficult.
06:58Then it is that,
06:59Punjab itself held a press conference,
07:01they said that we have done a proper investigation,
07:03that how many calls were made to whom,
07:05Mr. Murad Rash's name was also there,
07:07that they made so many calls,
07:09I don't know, maybe 50.
07:11But nothing has happened yet.
07:12So, on one hand, there is a weakness of the prosecution,
07:14on the other hand, obviously,
07:15that weak FIRs cannot be approved.
07:16But Mr. Salangi,
07:17let me be the devil's advocate,
07:19unfortunately,
07:20in the UK and Pakistan,
07:21there is a slight difference in the situation,
07:22that here,
07:23earlier also,
07:24because PTI says,
07:25political victimization is happening with us,
07:26bring CCTV footage,
07:27make a judicial commission and all.
07:28So, if we look at it in that perspective,
07:30and look at their point of view,
07:32they are saying that
07:33political victimization has happened with us,
07:35but in the UK,
07:36there is no political victimization.
07:38So, how will this be compared?
07:40CCTV footage,
07:42Imran Khan is asking for it.
07:44And not once,
07:45but many times,
07:46he has asked for it.
07:47CCTV footage,
07:48and whatever evidence is there,
07:50it is presented in the court of law,
07:54the prosecution presents it,
07:56and the defense lawyers,
07:58they look at that evidence.
08:00A political leader,
08:01especially a criminal,
08:02who himself has serious cases,
08:04he does not have the right
08:06to sit in jail
08:08and ask the state to show him evidence.
08:11And when we talk about judicial commissions,
08:13how many judicial commissions have been made in the UK?
08:17Not even one.
08:18The people whose evidence was present,
08:20the footage was present,
08:21some kind of evidence was present,
08:23the court took 24 hours
08:25to punish them.
08:27No one has been sentenced to death.
08:30The real thing is not to give a serious punishment,
08:33the real thing is to make the punishment believable.
08:36And this should not happen again.