• 3 months ago
Prior to the Congressional recess, during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) questioned Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell about China's efforts of "transnational repression," and US-China global influence competition.

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00:00Senator Young.
00:01Senator Merkley.
00:02Thank you, Madam Chairman.
00:05Thank you so much for your work, Secretary Campbell.
00:09Two pieces I wanted to address.
00:11First is Chinese strategy of transnational repression.
00:16They have greatly expanded their effort to suppress dissent abroad, particularly among
00:21the Chinese diaspora.
00:23They have a host of tools.
00:24They persuade governments to detain individuals who have been critical of China, to deport
00:29individuals back to China.
00:31They spy on those dissidents, they threaten them, they blackmail them by saying that their
00:36family members will be affected back in China, and they will execute on that threat as well.
00:44What is the State Department doing to help nations resist the pressure to detain or deport
00:53dissidents, and very importantly, to protect freedom of speech and freedom of assembly
00:58here in the United States when China is threatening Chinese diaspora?
01:05Senator Merkley, extremely well-worded and concise and exact challenge that we're facing.
01:14I would say the most important first step that we've sought to do is actually help
01:20countries understand the nature of the problem that they're facing.
01:24You would be surprised at how many countries, until they examine the circumstances inside
01:30their own borders, were unaware of some of these challenges.
01:34Frankly, even the United States, it's taken time to fully understand what is taking place
01:40among diaspora communities, Chinese language speaking.
01:44I think we've worked with a number of countries to help understand the nature of this transnational
01:50challenge.
01:51We've helped countries strengthen a variety of law enforcement and other steps to assist
02:01them in contesting these actions.
02:05We have been very principled and direct in our diplomacy with China.
02:13I would simply say that this is a challenge that is not just a few countries.
02:19We've seen it in Canada.
02:20We've seen it in Australia, the United States, New Zealand, Australia, other parts of Europe.
02:26Frankly, the ability to compare notes and to compare strategies about how to identify
02:34and contest it has been very important.
02:36Yeah, thank you.
02:38Freedom House has now documented Chinese transnational repression in 36 countries, so it really is
02:45spreading in an effort to shape how they are viewed around the world.
02:48Another area where China is expanding its influence is within the United Nations.
02:54They have proceeded to increase their contributions.
02:59They have increased their support for peace teams from the United Nations, peacekeepers.
03:08They have gotten more Chinese nationals into leadership positions, and they are trying
03:17to change the dialogue around human rights.
03:24In terms of the Universal Periodic Review this last January, they submitted false information
03:29about many of the actions of China in the domain of human rights.
03:34They blocked independent civil society representatives from providing information.
03:40They have suppressed the mention of political, civil, religious rights in UN resolutions
03:45and debates, and they are trying to convey the philosophy that human rights are country-specific,
03:52that is that there is no universal human right, and basically whatever country decides, well,
03:59that's what human rights are.
04:01We have been really a voice in the world to identify, promote the vision of fundamental
04:08human rights, but this is a contest for ideas, and Chinese influence in the UN is part of
04:15that.
04:16What's our strategy?
04:17Look, you've identified it exactly, and the truth is this is part of a coherent strategy
04:25of China redefining what democracy means, what human rights means, and they've done
04:31that substantially in international organizations, particularly in places like the United Nations.
04:38Their ultimate goal, I think, Senator, is to step up their game substantially in the
04:45global south.
04:46That's where they're playing for advantage.
04:48I would simply say that would be the arena.
04:52If you ask me where do we need to do much more, I'm actually quite proud and satisfied.
04:57The work will never be done, but what we've done in Europe and dominant partners in the
05:03Indo-Pacific, I think the partnership with India is robust, it's critical, it's I think
05:10probably our most or one of our most important partnerships for the 21st century.
05:17Where we really need to step up our game is the global south, and that means on the
05:22field in these various countries with robust programming, USAID, DFC, our diplomats, but
05:30it also means, Senator, really understanding the nature of the challenge in organizations
05:35like the United Nations, in which the action increasingly is not just at the Security Council,
05:43but the General Assembly, and that's where China's manifesting a strategy exactly as
05:48he laid down.
05:49And we just, we need to understand how important that arena is for us going forward.
05:55Thank you very much, Mr. President.
05:56Thank you, Senator Merkley.

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