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00:00I'm so excited for our next panel discussion. Two brilliant Black men. Every election cycle,
00:07we hear about Black men and voting. There are stories about voting patterns and trends that
00:14are often misaligned with reality. Check the sources, people. We have two commentators who
00:22are on the front lines of election work and voting to discuss that further with us today.
00:28First, Bakari Sellers, who is a political commentator on CNN. You see him all the time.
00:34Former member of the South Carolina House of Representatives and the author of The Moment.
00:40He's joined by Van Lathan, who is the co-host of The Ringer's Higher Learning Podcast and is best
00:47known as a former co-host and senior producer on TMZ Live, which I always say, he's always ready
00:53to check somebody in real time. He is also the executive producer for Two Distant Strangers,
00:59the 2021 Academy Award winner for Best Live Action Short Film. Please welcome these gentlemen.
01:09What's up, man?
01:11What's up, brother? How you doing, man? How are you feeling out there right now?
01:16Well, I'm on vacation and y'all got me doing this. So
01:18I was trying to spend a little time with the family, but things kind of went different
01:22a couple Sundays ago, but I'm happy to be here anytime that essence calls, anytime that I get a
01:29chance, an opportunity to spend some time. And they told me who was moderating it, so I couldn't
01:33say no. I mean, they said Rachel Lindsay was busy, and so here we are.
01:38She always is. Let me ask you this. The narrative around Black men
01:44our votes, our apathy to vote, our willingness to vote for the other side, how accurate do you
01:52feel that to be as it seems to come back every single election cycle?
01:56No, it's false. I mean, it's objectively false because the second largest voting group for the
02:02Democratic Party in this country behind Black women have been Black men. And you look at the
02:08statistics, you'll see that Black men actually turn out of a disproportionate share of the
02:13elected, compared to their peers. And so that's objectively false. And I've said this to you.
02:19You've heard our good friend Charlamagne talk about it. You've heard many other people talk
02:23about it and kind of steal my line, but I love it. But the simple truth is that this election
02:29has always been between, at the time it was Biden and Hillary, it was Hillary Clinton and
02:35Hillary Clinton. This election has always been between, at the time it was Biden-Trump
02:39in the couch, but now it's Harris-Trump in the couch. And still to this day, I mean,
02:44Kamala Harris' biggest threat is not Donald Trump. Kamala Harris' biggest threat is the couch
02:49and people electing to stay at home. I think that's going to change now with the energy
02:55that you see, but that still is nonetheless a threat.
02:59The excitement for Kamala Harris, since she's been announced as the top of the ticket,
03:08have you seen and felt a noticeable shift? And I guess the question is, why? Why do you think
03:16that shift has been so distinct if you've seen one, when she essentially represents the same
03:21administration and the same record of that administration that's been turning America
03:27around for the last four years, three and a half years? Why do you think so many people
03:31are into Kamala at the top of the ticket right now? It's a simple fact that a lot of people don't
03:37know, but I'm going to spring this on you because I just found out about it. In 2016 and 2020,
03:45there were a total of 93 million different individuals, 93 million different human
03:53beings that cast a vote against Donald Trump. A lot of that energy was pent up. A lot of that
04:00want for change was pent up. And let's be honest, it's a fresher face on the scene.
04:06It's somebody new. She ran in the primary and did not do well, but primaries are for people
04:11who have tuned in. Usually you have 14 million people decide who is a nominee for a particular
04:17candidate. At the end of the day, 160 million people vote for the president of the United
04:22States. And so it's a very less than 10% of the electorate chooses a particular party as a
04:27nominee. And so what we're looking at now is just this pent up that you want to participate.
04:35You're also seeing something that's amazing. In September 2016, Hillary Clinton raised $150
04:42million. Kamala Harris raised $200 million in eight days. Something is happening in the world,
04:50and we should see if that's going to be enough to change the trajectory of where we end up.
04:57I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, which I have to say every single moment of every single day,
05:03remind people that my city exists. And I was talking to some people from the NAACP a couple
05:09of days ago, and they were telling me about voter turnout down there in Baton Rouge. And
05:13they said the numbers were around 17%. Now, when you say the number, I was blown away.
05:23But intellectually, if you did ask me, I probably could have conjectured that the number was
05:29somewhere near that. In a city like Baton Rouge that's around 54% Black, population-wise,
05:38what is it about civic engagement that we haven't learned? Why is it that it seems
05:45like sometimes in a place like that, where the power really, really, really can be taken,
05:50that we're not mobilizing to get out there and vote and take that power for ourselves?
05:55That's a good question. That's probably one I would prefer to hear you and Gary Chambers
06:00have a one-on-one dialogue in Ted James and try to figure that out. My conjecture or hypothesis
06:09would be that over the past decades, Louisiana has made it more difficult for people of color
06:17and poor people to vote. Also, the caliber of candidates that are running for office in terms
06:23of meeting voters where they are and giving them something to vote for, instead of something to
06:27vote against, has been a unique problem and leaves something to be desired.
06:36I would probably say, last but not least, there is a palpable sense of exhaustion felt by Black
06:43people from Baton Rouge to South Carolina, where I'm from, to L.A., where we rich folks,
06:49I think you probably lay your head out there in L.A. a little bit more. I know that's how you say
06:54you're from Baton Rouge, but you take pictures under the Hollywood sign. Anyway, I digress.
07:02But I would say that there is a certain level of exhaustion amongst Black folks throughout.
07:07I think it's the combination of the three things, the lack of quality candidates and also
07:13that level of exhaustion. I asked a question specifically about my hometown, but I meant it
07:19in a broader way. You answered with some observations about the pitfalls or the challenges
07:29to voting for Black people that I think would probably, those challenges probably exist,
07:35they probably exist throughout communities all over the country. How do we turn people out?
07:40How do we get people to exercise such an important American right and power and privilege
07:46to change their lives, to vote for DAs, to vote for sheriffs, to vote for comptrollers,
07:51to vote for people who have direct power over aspects of their life? How do we get people back
07:58engaged? I think it's very simple. I think you have to give people a reason to do it.
08:05And the reason, it's not enough to say people died and fought for it, because
08:11it's kind of like how we spent six, seven, eight months talking about a threat to democracy. It's
08:14just not breaking through, right? Sometimes you have to shift messages, messengers too.
08:22And so my first point would be that we have to give people something to vote for. One of the
08:28things that's unique about KDH is that she is going to areas of the country, meeting voters
08:36where they are and not dealing in who Donald Trump is, but she's actually articulating a plan
08:41and laying out a plan of why you should vote for her. And that's just unique in this time frame,
08:46because we always want to paint our opponent as something other than a child of God. And we want
08:52to bring him down to a certain level and not her down to a certain level, instead of actually
08:59dealing with what you can provide the constituency for which you're running. So that's first.
09:05The second thing is we have to meet voters where they are. And I've said that once,
09:08and I'll probably repeat it two or three more times. Black folk who reach or attain a certain
09:14level of accolade, people who reach a certain level of wealth, a lot of my friends on the left,
09:21forget that you don't, it's not fair to assume people should come to you to hear your message.
09:30Sometimes it's necessary for you to shut up and go to them and listen to their hope.
09:39Got a couple of questions coming in. One question was, can you vote by email?
09:45No. Is that possible?
09:46No. No. And thank God it's not. That's one of the more unsafe matters in which
09:52you probably could vote by email, but you can vote by mail, not email, but mail,
09:58particularly in Pennsylvania. Anybody in the college from Pennsylvania,
10:00please go out and do everything you can do to show up and vote. And you can vote early,
10:05and you can vote at your local office. For those of us who'd be traveling on election day,
10:11it's important that we go out and do the things necessary. Check in with your local
10:15voter registration office and figure out how you can vote.
10:22Let me ask you this. Every single election, particularly at the top of the ticket,
10:30people say to us that this is the most important election of our lifetimes.
10:34Yeah. Yeah.
10:34It's been repeated so many different times that it's kind of lost its luster.
10:39Is this the most important election of our lifetimes right now? And if so, why?
10:45That's a really, really good question, Brandon. The answer is yes. And the problem is that I've
10:49probably echoed that before. And yeah, the answer is yes. There is a distinct difference between the
11:00future of McConnell and Harris and the future of Donald Trump. There is a distinct difference
11:05between Project 2025 and making sure that women can decide what they want to do with their body,
11:12making that decision with their family and their doctor. In Project 2025, they actually talk about
11:20eliminating the school lunch program. They talk about eliminating veterans' benefits.
11:27Literally starving children.
11:29Yeah. They talk about a nationwide ban on abortion, ending no-fault divorce because
11:36they believe women should stay in relationships regardless, and not only just stay in relationships,
11:41but stay in the kitchen. And now you have an effective messenger on what the future looks like.
11:49As I told the vice president, she's acknowledged and is actually executing
11:58because, of course, it just makes perfect sense. You don't have to lean into the identity of who
12:03you are. People can see it. You don't have to lean into the identity of being the first. People can
12:08see it. But you can talk to those folks who don't key in every single day of the week like we do,
12:18the social media or the news. And you need to be able to tell them things like,
12:21I'm not going to raise taxes on people who make under $400,000. I'm going to lower costs by
12:27going after price gadgets. I'm going to sign the toughest immigration bill that Donald Trump
12:38stifled and made stop. All of those things matter. And those are the things that she articulated.
12:51I want to talk about the actual peril of the election, meaning how important is the turnout
13:02for people to get out there and vote based upon the fact that this vote will be heavily contested
13:13if, in fact, Donald Trump loses? How important is it for people to get to the polls? Because
13:19if Donald Trump himself doesn't win, he is going to claim all kinds of witchcraft and chicanery
13:27and things like that. You're right. And I would argue that those things will take care of
13:35themselves. I want everybody not to worry about what happens when you round third.
13:39Let's get on first base first. I would encourage people just to show up and show out or in the
13:46words of the great American poet, Kendrick Lamar, pop out, vote. Those things, that's more necessary
13:55because he lost every single challenge he had last time. So I'm quite confident.
14:02Last question for you, because I know you out there
14:04with Forrest Gump and you got to go catch some shrimp.
14:07Well, you ain't seen my boat. Hold on. I don't know how you can turn it around,
14:13but I'm sitting next to the boat. This is your boat right here.
14:17Man, no, I'm not. I just got done paying student loans,
14:22but I'm outside the seafood restaurant because we down here in South Carolina,
14:26where they go catch it for you right here on the side. So this is the boat they go talking about.
14:31I'm going to ask you this question until I see the answer change. And, you know,
14:38we talk about Charlemagne. I asked Charlemagne this every time we see you on TV, we sit around
14:45and we have a conversation about how much you get on our nerves. When will Bakari Sellers' name
14:51be on a ballot again? Or have you found a different way to reach people and affect change
15:01that you don't feel like your name has to be on the ballot?
15:07I think both of those answers are true. And I'll be 100% honest with you about it. I feel like I'm
15:12in a group chat with you, just chatting about, you know, if Jim Clyburn were to resign today,
15:18I would like to return to the sea. And I think that would be decently successful.
15:23But the longer that takes, the less likely I am to run because I enjoy that I am on a platform
15:29that is decent and we have the relationships that, you know, every United States Congressman
15:35has. You know, Van, I'll ask you this. What job do you choose when you consciously go
15:43work with people you dislike? Like, why do I want to go work in that gate?
15:50Like, I don't know why. And then why would I take a pay cut to go work with them, right?
15:57But I don't know. I want to be a part of the change I want to see in the world. And so I
16:03never say never. And I am really, really in tune to family and letting God or one of my steps.
16:10Because at the end of the day, I've been in some bad spots and I've been in some weird
16:14predicaments. And I've been left when I should have been right. I've been upside down. I should
16:20have been straight up. But he gets me through and through. And so I'm just going to listen to him.
16:27Hopefully the words in my mouth and the meditation in my heart will be acceptable.
16:32Good answer. Well, my brother, it is always good to talk to you, particularly about something that
16:38is so important. And you guys, there's nothing more important than exercising your power as
16:43an American, getting out there and voting. Thank you to Essence for providing this platform for
16:50us to have this conversation here in the Paint the Poles Black Town Hall. Thank you to Bakari.
16:55Brother, we really appreciate you joining us while you're out there running from the police
17:03with your beard and everything. You look like you're on the lam. I'm just going to be honest.
17:08No, I am channeling my inner young Tiffany.
17:12Right. We appreciate you joining us, man. Thank you, Bakari. We hope that this inspires everybody
17:17to get out there and vote because once again, it is the most important election of your lifetime.
17:24And you're going to be framing and creating your very near and distant future with your vote. So
17:32we hope that you guys will get out there and do that. I'm Van Lathan. Thank you to Essence.
17:37Van Lathan, thank you so much for moderating that conversation. Bakari,
17:40thank you for joining us on vacation. Thank you for all of your advocacy.