Heated Debate Between Zain Qureshi and Musadiq Malik
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00:00I actually wanted to quote the order of the Supreme Court in the unfortunate situation of 2024
00:05where the internet is down, the whole system is down, zero access, whatever the situation was, sir
00:11that situation has been quoted in the order of the Supreme Court that those elections were conducted
00:15based on the wrong interpretation of the Election Commission of Pakistan, based on that decision
00:19to exclude Balla from the ballot box, which was non-biased.
00:22No, listen to me. No, no, listen to me.
00:24At best, you're buying time. No, wait a minute.
00:26Am I a power issue? Yes, yes you are.
00:28Just check it. Just check it.
00:30I have come with him after a long time, so the banter is going on.
00:33I don't enjoy it, otherwise, after such a long time.
00:35If I come every day, then you will get a lot of opportunities.
00:38Look, the thing is, the petition that went to the Peshawar High Court,
00:45the Peshawar High Court admitted and gave a decision in its favor.
00:49The original decision against it went to the Supreme Court.
00:53The Supreme Court restored that decision. What is the excuse in this?
00:57Tell me, there is a decision against which the Peshawar High Court said no, wrong.
01:02And the same decision was restored by the Supreme Court.
01:05Now tell me the excuse in this.
01:07Tell me, what is the confusion in this?
01:10That a decision made by the Peshawar High Court was null and void in the High Court,
01:17as a result of which all these people were released.
01:19Like I was released, you will remember, in the Senate.
01:23Similarly, the ticket was the signature of Nawaz Sharif, so it was said that he should be cancelled.
01:28The same history is being repeated.
01:30On a large scale.
01:31But when this decision was made, then after that, the time that the constitution gave you to join,
01:36you joined Sunni Tehreek.
01:38Now this petition is of Sunni Tehreek, so the decision that is coming in favor of PTI,
01:42we can criticize the decision, right?
01:44One thing that is not in the petition, you yourself said that they did not hold a review.
01:49One question that is not in the petition, one person says that I have read the petition,
01:53but look, I have started making a decision on something else.
01:56It is not written in the petition.
01:58Okay, sir, because they have gone back to that environment,
02:01that it will be decided on the same application.
02:05This means that the petition is still going on, there is no decision on it.
02:08So sir, what is the hurry?
02:09Why don't you wait for a detailed judgment?
02:11I will come, we just did not let the review time lapse.
02:16Look, if there is a time for review, if there is no detailed decision,
02:20then you will say that you had to put a review.
02:23No, it was right, it was your right.
02:25It was right to put a review, after that the amendments that are going to be made, etc.
02:28Sir, I have a request, listen to my two suggestions.
02:31First of all, Mr. Malik is a very serious man and he should not say such a thing.
02:36Two wrongs don't make a right.
02:38I will take back whatever you say.
02:40If you are talking about 2024, then your default position should not be that what happened in 2018.
02:45For the sake of an argument, you were saying that what happened in 2018 was wrong.
02:48But are you ready to say that what happened in 2024 was also wrong?
02:51When you are asked about 2024, your default position is that what happened in 2018 was wrong.
02:56Let's move ahead.
02:57Do we have to do the same in 2028?
02:59Do we have to do the same in the future?
03:01That's what I said.
03:02If you don't want to do it, then do it today.
03:04The second thing is that you said that you came with the spirit of service,
03:08you should have made a government.
03:10You stole our mandate.
03:11There is an assault on our mandate.
03:13You stole our mandate.
03:14We sat with you in the opposition.
03:16You put us in jail.
03:18You put us in a dark cellar.
03:20We are still sitting.
03:21I am not saying anything in between.
03:22You see, you are being unfair.
03:23In the circumstances in which we fought the election on 8th February,
03:25I have been elected on the mark of shoes.
03:27Our people have been elected on the mark of eggplant.
03:30After that, you stole our mandate.
03:32From 180 seats, you made us stand on 90 seats.
03:35I told you earlier that you put the 17-seat government on the platter.
03:40So what was our government in that?
03:42We will make a government.
03:43Inshallah, we will make a government.
03:45We will make a simple majority government.
03:46And we will serve this country.
03:48No, with the new election or in-house change?
03:50Whenever there will be a new election,
03:52whenever we will go to the people,
03:54we will bring the mandate of the people.
03:55The people have given us such a mandate.
03:57So it is not our issue that we are in a hurry to make a government.
04:00Or we are dying for a government.
04:02Sir, no one is talking.
04:03What to do now?
04:04No, they were saying that why didn't you make the previous government?
04:06When we gave you the opportunity,
04:07we offered you to make a government,
04:08then why didn't you do it?
04:09Secondly, Malik sir is talking again and again.
04:12I am agreeing with him.
04:14If you have gone for a review,
04:16it is good that you have gone for a review.
04:17It is your legal and legal right to go for a review.
04:19But if you have gone for a review,
04:21then wait for the detailed order.
04:23On one hand, it has become a habit of the government.
04:25It has become their habit.
04:26That there is a difference between their call and fail.
04:28You have gone for a review from here.
04:30You are waiting for the order of the Supreme Court from here.
04:32From there, you have started amending the election act.
04:35In that, you have started putting retrospective checks.
04:37So, why do they need to do that?
04:39If you think that your case is right,
04:41if you think that your election will take place.
04:44Sir, this is being mentioned again and again in the Parliament
04:46that it is the right of the Parliament.
04:47It is the right of the Parliament.
04:48Let me answer another question of theirs.
04:50They say, why don't you sit with the government?
04:52Why didn't you talk to us?
04:54Pakistan Tariq Insaaf has been saying this since day one
04:56and till today, our stance is that
04:58we are a democratic party.
05:00We want to talk to democratic parties.
05:02They don't agree.
05:03They don't agree. It is their wish.
05:04We have put them in front of three demands.
05:06We have said that you...
05:08You should return the mandate to the people.
05:10You can't return the mandate.
05:11The court has to return the mandate.
05:12We have made it very simple.
05:13You should put a commission on the election on 8th February.
05:15You should put a judicial commission on 9th May,
05:17which has been such a big event
05:19that it has gone up since a year.
05:21You say that you have video evidence.
05:24You have CCTV.
05:26You have used facial recognition software.
05:27You have done geo-fencing.
05:28It has been more than a year.
05:29We are being pushed into the courts.
05:31The people who have done the 9th May incident,
05:33they should be brought to the door of the cafe.
05:35You have put our leaders, workers, women,
05:37young people and cancer patients in jail.
05:39You should get them out.
05:41And the third thing we have done is
05:43that the leaders and workers who are in jail,
05:45against whom you have not proven anything,
05:47the Prime Minister of Pakistan
05:49said in his first speech at the floor of the house
05:51that we will get those who are in jail out.
05:53We have fulfilled our three demands.
05:55We are ready to sit with you.
05:56Who else is the government going to do this?
05:58Who else is the government going to do this?
05:59Who is the government?
06:00They have cases in the courts.
06:02What can the government do now?
06:03No, no.
06:04We have cases in the tribunals.
06:06Your government is not allowing us to be in the tribunals.
06:08You say that we should come and
06:10put the retired judges on trial.
06:12When the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court
06:14has given a list of judges,
06:15tribunals have been made,
06:16let them function.
06:17You are misusing the parliament.
06:18These people are making a mess.
06:19It is happening in front of you.
06:20It did not happen in front of you today.
06:21The election act that has been tried to amend
06:23and is going to be amended,
06:24they are using the parliament as a weapon.
06:26And this, I am saying it in your show today,
06:28they are doing the same thing again today
06:30that they are doing it in front of the Supreme Court
06:32and in front of the government.
06:33And they want to create chaos.
06:34This is a loss.
06:35There is no doubt in this.
06:37Meher, I am telling you today,
06:38it will not hold up to legal scrutiny.
06:40So it is a waste of time.
06:41It is not a waste of time.
06:42It is a wrong act.
06:45It is a means to an end.
06:47They are trying to achieve their objectives,
06:49which will not happen.