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Mehngi Bijli Ke Mehangay Kar Khanay. . 5 Bunyadi Ghalatiyan Kahan Hui?
" Bijli Peda Nahi Ho Rahi Aur Hum Paisay Day Rahay Hain, Yeh To Daaka Hai." CH Ghulam Hussain
IPPs Se Kiye Gaye Muahiday Saal 2050 Tak Chalein Ge?? Aakhir Is Ka Hal Kya Hai??
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Mehngi Bijli Ke Mehangay Kar Khanay. . 5 Bunyadi Ghalatiyan Kahan Hui?
" Bijli Peda Nahi Ho Rahi Aur Hum Paisay Day Rahay Hain, Yeh To Daaka Hai." CH Ghulam Hussain
IPPs Se Kiye Gaye Muahiday Saal 2050 Tak Chalein Ge?? Aakhir Is Ka Hal Kya Hai??
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:13Today, you can see on your television screens from the morning,
00:17a protest call has been made by the Islamic Community.
00:21And this call has been made because of the rising electricity prices
00:26and especially the issue of IPPs, the issue of capacity payment,
00:31which we are seeing, there is a great debate on this issue,
00:35and it should be, because on the basis of capacity payments,
00:40billions of dollars are being taken out of the pockets of the poor.
00:46And the way they are being taken out, I think it was necessary to debate on this.
00:51And the Islamic Community had already called for a protest on this.
00:55And in Islamabad, you can see that the sensitive areas have been cordoned off.
01:00And of course, it says 144 here.
01:03There is no permission for such shrines.
01:05So the workers who are coming out are being arrested.
01:09This is the situation in Rawalpindi and Islamabad.
01:11We will try to find out the situation in other cities as well.
01:14What is the real issue of IPPs?
01:17We will talk about the real challenge of IPPs.
01:21We have Hafez Ehsan Ahmed with us.
01:24We will talk to him.
01:26I was looking at the two excellent columns that you have published.
01:32IPPs, Economic and Legal Challenges.
01:35Hafez Ehsan Ahmed Khokhar.
01:37And one, How to Fix the Power Sector.
01:40This is a big issue.
01:42We have been hearing about this for the past 20 years.
01:45And some work has been done on this.
01:48The previous government also tried to renegotiate the contracts.
01:54We are told that the common Pakistani has sovereign guarantees.
01:59And with sovereign guarantees, the hands of the government of Pakistan are tied.
02:03They cannot do much on this.
02:05So, in one column, you were reading that some agreements will continue until 2050.
02:14And if you do not take any action on this, it will continue for a long time.
02:21And the way we are suffering, we will have to suffer.
02:24Viewers, it is very important to say that the biggest blow to the Pakistani industry is due to electricity prices.
02:32We do not have any gas.
02:34So, if an industry wants to run, you need electricity.
02:38Electricity, as you can see, is the same news in Pakistan every week.
02:42It is constantly losing.
02:44Today, the price of electricity has gone up.
02:46Even today, if you look at the newspapers, it is increasing by 2 point something.
02:51First of all, for the common people to understand, where did the mistake happen?
02:58In 1994, when this policy was introduced for the first time by the government of the Pakistan People's Party.
03:05Then I was seeing another policy in 1998 by the PMLN government.
03:10When General Musharraf came in 2002, he also did some work on this.
03:14And in 2004, Mr. Shaukat Aziz.
03:16Mr. Shaukat Aziz, okay.
03:18After that, between 2013 and 2018, it is said that there was a heavy influx,
03:24whose projects are now coming.
03:26Those who are coming into the system.
03:28They do not need it, but they are coming into the system.
03:30You have made an agreement, so you have to pay for it.
03:32So, where did the fundamental mistake happen?
03:34If we can understand 1, 2, 3, then.
03:36In the name of Allah.
03:37Our fundamental mistake happened when we made this policy.
03:41And its objective was transition.
03:44In any country in the world, your thermal or coal projects,
03:49and especially in the areas like Pakistan,
03:53it is mostly your transitory period,
03:56after which you go to your original resources.
04:01And those original resources are your largest hydro in the world.
04:05After that is your coal, where locals come more.
04:08And after that, the third is your solar.
04:11Now, when this crisis came into the government of the People's Party in Pakistan,
04:15the original idea was that if we inject 500 megawatts into the system.
04:20In 1994.
04:21In 1994.
04:22And we should not go into it more than this.
04:25But when we were injecting it,
04:27then maybe we did not have money or whatever it was.
04:30It came into these three countries at that time.
04:33It was also in Bangladesh.
04:34It was also a phenomenon in India at that time.
04:36And it came into Pakistan.
04:38But apart from them, the five things that we did,
04:41that is the fate of Pakistan.
04:43I call it the energy crisis of Pakistan.
04:47This is a black hole of Pakistan's Mediterranean,
04:50in which we have gone to that level,
04:53that the economy of Pakistan,
04:56the national security of Pakistan,
04:58and the financial viability of the common man of this country,
05:02it is taking it inside itself like a jinn.
05:06And it is such a jinn that it is not stopping.
05:09Today, if we think that it has eaten us so much,
05:12and after that, maybe it will stop.
05:15Because that black hole is so big that it will increase day by day.
05:18You see, those things that started with your 200 billion,
05:22have gone up to your 28 billion.
05:25Now, what did we do with the five things?
05:27Number one, what we did was,
05:29in those contracts,
05:31we included the dollar payment model.
05:35It should have been local currency.
05:37Second, we said that if we had gone into the dollar,
05:41then we should have put a dollar cab.
05:43This is a country whose currency goes towards depreciation.
05:47We should go to it.
05:49And those six, seven,
05:51those that were in the beginning,
05:53today they have gone up to 280.
05:55Third, what we did was,
05:57we gave sovereign guarantees.
05:59And this never happens in any country in the world,
06:01that if you make a contract,
06:03and it is in such a way,
06:05that every big contract of Pakistan,
06:07which is coming from outside,
06:09whether it is coming from a private or a government firm,
06:11you have given a sovereign guarantee in it.
06:13Next, you did another injustice in it,
06:16that you made the jurisdiction of these contracts,
06:19outside the world.
06:21You said that our country's law will not apply.
06:24But if arbitration comes,
06:26then after that we will go out and do it.
06:28And the fifth thing,
06:30which we did the biggest injustice in it,
06:32that the transitory period,
06:34which was for this purpose,
06:36and in which in 1998-99,
06:38in the PMLN government,
06:40Saif-ur-Rehman also asserted on it,
06:42in this matter,
06:44we went ahead while running the same policy.
06:46The next thing was its fixed profit.
06:48The first contract we did,
06:50we did it on 16%.
06:52In 2014,
06:54we did it on 20%.
06:56And when we cut all these things
06:58and put it in front of them,
07:00then there were five things in it,
07:02which we wanted to do.
07:04The number one was this,
07:06it had foreign direct investment.
07:08Till today, its investment audit has not come.
07:10The second was its heat audit,
07:12that the thing you are bringing,
07:14what is its capacity.
07:16The third was your oil audit.
07:18As you have seen,
07:20it should be less,
07:22but their money is paying you in the same way.
07:24Then it was your financial audit,
07:26that how much tax do these people pay.
07:28You go and see their cases.
07:30In some places,
07:32their cases are not going forward
07:34to go into that thing.
07:36And finally it came in that,
07:38a connivance came,
07:40and that connivance of your kickbacks,
07:42that when you,
07:44what is the job of the state,
07:46or what is the job of the state institutions,
07:48if they do not protect,
07:50if they do not protect,
07:52if they do not get out of their responsibility,
07:54then there are only two things.
07:56Either it is your intellectual and professional dishonesty,
07:58or it is its kickbacks.
08:00And that kickback is going on,
08:02that you see,
08:04that from 1994 to today,
08:06the ministers,
08:08all of them will defend it.
08:10No power minister will ever say this to you,
08:12and when they are outside,
08:14they will say that it should be revisited,
08:16that it should be revisited.
08:18I understand that the people who are
08:20talking about this name,
08:22that these are sovereign guarantees,
08:24this is Rekodak,
08:26the issue of Rekodak was something else.
08:28This is not a matter of Rekodak,
08:30or give it to Karke.
08:32The issue here is that,
08:34if the same contract that you have given,
08:36in that, the five orders that I have mentioned,
08:38get them to do independent orders,
08:40and in that,
08:42your first arbitration is local.
08:44The local arbitrator has decided against us,
08:46and with that,
08:48they will go outside,
08:50and from outside,
08:52the explanation will start.
08:54Let's move on to the debate.
08:56Mr. Chaudhary, I will come to you.
08:58Even today, you have seen,
09:00in Lahore, the respected governor of Punjab,
09:02he is saying that there are 40 families,
09:04who have squandered this country
09:06on the name of these IPPs.
09:08Even before this,
09:10we have heard various statements,
09:12that they are somehow,
09:14someone's uncle, someone's mother,
09:16someone's uncle, someone's nephew,
09:18someone's niece,
09:20they are involved in some way.
09:22As Mr. Hafiz said,
09:24the Kanaivans,
09:26our elite in Kanaivans,
09:28in every political party,
09:30somewhere or the other,
09:32they have a stake,
09:34so they protect their interests.
09:36All across,
09:38you have been seeing this for decades,
09:40what do you think is the solution to this?
09:42What should happen,
09:44to this black hole,
09:46that Mr. Hafiz said,
09:48that we are getting stuck in it.
09:50Do you think there is a solution?
09:52First of all,
09:54they don't believe in all the facts.
09:56Even yesterday,
09:58I mentioned to you,
10:00that the Minister of State,
10:02of Treasury,
10:04Ali Parvez Malik,
10:06he says that
10:0880 out of 1000 billion,
10:10is owned by the private sector,
10:12the rest are owned by the government,
10:14or by the Chinese.
10:16So,
10:18this should also be
10:20visited.
10:22Mr. Hafiz,
10:24I think,
10:26in great detail,
10:28the whole subject,
10:30and this crisis,
10:32you have only one thing to say,
10:34that we don't need your electricity.
10:36Wherever you can sell
10:38this expensive electricity,
10:40go and sell it.
10:42Electricity is not being produced,
10:44and you have to pay for it.
10:46The plant is shut down,
10:48and we are paying billions.
10:50This is a robbery,
10:52this is not a business.
10:54This is simply fraudulent transaction.
10:56This is international,
10:58this is a local affair.
11:00Who gave you the license
11:02to commit a crime?
11:04Whether you are a ritualist
11:06in the middle of Pakistan,
11:08or not, what do we care?
11:10You are killing the people of Pakistan.
11:12We want
11:14Pakistani people
11:16not to suffer
11:18at the hands of IPPs,
11:20and their facilitators,
11:22and commission agents.
11:24Period.
11:26Mr. Naqvi,
11:28you are asking questions,
11:30you can comment,
11:32I will take it to Mr. Hafiz.
11:34Mr. Chaudhary,
11:36I am 100% supportive of what he said.
11:38We will have to take strict
11:40punishments,
11:42and punish those
11:44who have been involved
11:46since 1994.
11:48Mr. Hafiz has said
11:50that you can talk to any minister
11:52from 1994 to today,
11:54you can talk to any government official,
11:56he will be seen defending it.
11:58All those who are defending it,
12:00all those who are responsible for it,
12:02they should be held accountable.
12:04And this is the most important thing
12:06for a better Pakistan
12:08right now.
12:10Right now.
12:12Yes.
12:14Hassan.
12:16First of all,
12:18electricity is very expensive.
12:20As you said,
12:22the rate of electricity
12:24is increasing,
12:26even though the prime minister
12:28has said it,
12:30but even then,
12:32it is not feasible
12:34to compete in the international market.
12:36That is why many of our
12:38businessmen from Karachi
12:40and Faisalabad
12:42have taken their investments
12:44to foreign countries.
12:46And not just today,
12:48for the past 5-7 years,
12:50they have gone to Africa,
12:52Bangladesh,
12:54and other countries.
12:56Even after hiring a company,
12:58our business is viable.
13:00We can sell
13:02our end product
13:04and we can make a profit.
13:06In Pakistan,
13:08the cost of electricity
13:10that is being produced,
13:12our business is not viable at that cost.
13:14Now look,
13:16apart from this,
13:18the price is high,
13:20and there is a burden on the
13:22economy of Pakistan.
13:24You can see that
13:26the agreements that you have made,
13:28you have cut off the jurisdiction
13:30of those companies.
13:32So, the people who are making
13:34these agreements,
13:36whether it is Muslim League Nawaz,
13:38People's Party,
13:40Parvez Musharraf,
13:42or Imran Khan,
13:44all of them,
13:46criminal cases should be registered
13:48against them,
13:50and they should be in jail.
13:52People are fed up.
13:54They don't have the capacity
13:56to bear the burden of electricity.
13:58When I was in Gilgit-Baltistan,
14:00you can see that
14:02there are micro hydel power turbines,
14:04and electricity is being produced there.
14:06By generating electricity
14:08through water,
14:10I think it costs 4-5 rupees per unit
14:12for the people there.
14:14And here,
14:16you are using 50 rupees per unit
14:18for residential use.
14:20So, to end this difference,
14:22we will have to pressurize
14:24the government.
14:26And if the current government
14:28doesn't pressurize,
14:30it will be criminal negligence.
14:32If we don't do it now,
14:34when will we do it?
14:36Mr. Hafiz, there are two things
14:38that need to be understood.
14:40One is that the government
14:42is being threatened.
14:44They are saying that
14:46if we don't act on the
14:48agreement as a party,
14:50it will be harmful
14:52to the IPP.
14:54The second question is
14:56what is the way forward?
14:58The agreements that you have made,
15:00as I was reading your article,
15:02will be implemented by 2050.
15:04So, we will have to do something.
15:06Who will do it?
15:08The government?
15:10The Supreme Court?
15:12We will have to stand up
15:14and say yes.
15:16One more thing.
15:18The installed capacity
15:20in your country is
15:22about 43,000-44,000 megawatts.
15:24The maximum capacity
15:26in your country,
15:28the consumption
15:30in P cars,
15:32is sometimes 26,000,
15:34sometimes 27,000,
15:36sometimes 28,000,
15:38but it never goes above 30,000.
15:40Your power projects
15:42are giving you 9,000-10,000 megawatts.
15:44They have blown up
15:46your entire energy mixture.
15:48In that energy mixture,
15:50the water that you need
15:52is also increased.
15:54You have to balance it.
15:56Then, in your bill,
15:58your interest
16:00or late payment charges
16:02are also included.
16:04And then,
16:06if you don't make it,
16:08and since you don't need it,
16:10you must have seen that
16:12some units
16:14give you
16:162500-3000 rupees per unit.
16:18And you see
16:20that NEPRA is only
16:22doing this work.
16:24Every other day,
16:26you find out that
16:28PPA is being used
16:30for fuel adjustment,
16:32quarterly adjustment,
16:34rates, government increase.
16:36Now, what is the way forward?
16:38Number one,
16:40if the government decides
16:42not to extend
16:44any IPP contract,
16:46because they have
16:48a 30-30 years period,
16:50and there are some rumors
16:52that those who have expired
16:54or are expiring,
16:56they are trying hard
16:58to take them back.
17:00And when your country
17:02has more capacity
17:04than your consumption,
17:06why are you giving them?
17:08Contracts are never
17:10revoked unilaterally.
17:12But you use contracts
17:14in those parameters.
17:16You take them in those parameters
17:18that I have pointed out to you.
17:20You check that
17:22the fundamental thing
17:24is that they should come
17:26through the FDI.
17:28Who are the people behind them?
17:30Who are their sponsors?
17:32And whose name is being used?
17:34Secondly, you audit their
17:36identity and see
17:38if what they are giving us
17:40is really true or not.
17:42If you go into these things,
17:44then you will lose them.
17:46If you stay behind them,
17:48they will scare you
17:50with international law
17:52or sovereign guarantee.
17:54They will scare you
17:56because whatever campaign
17:58is going on,
18:00Ayub, do you see
18:02an IPP person in front of you?
18:04A finance minister
18:06comes and clarifies it.
18:08Our Water and Power minister
18:10is clarifying it
18:12as if he is a spokesperson
18:14of these IPPs.
18:16If you are in the government,
18:18it is your job to solve it.
18:20It is your job to defend it.
18:22Sir, what is this heat audit?
18:24Someone told me
18:26that there are some IPPs
18:28like this,
18:30I will give you a document
18:32When IPPs were negotiated
18:34with the government,
18:36their installed capacity
18:38was increased.
18:40This is the heat audit.
18:42This is the heat audit.
18:44Your RIM is
18:466 GB.
18:48You can only
18:50produce 10 units of electricity
18:52but in the document
18:54you have written 15 or 20 units.
18:56Your RIM is 6 GB.
18:58You are charging a bill of 14 GB.
19:00Who is going to do this?
19:02The government of Pakistan
19:04is going to do this.
19:06Why is the government
19:08silent?
19:10The government is silent
19:12because they have not
19:14experienced this before.
19:16Look at the consistency.
19:18If the PTI people
19:20have gone before,
19:22you will see a person
19:24who you have not met
19:26and that is Nadeem Babar.
19:28There were two scandals.
19:30One was that
19:32a person was sitting
19:34with him.
19:36There was a report
19:38that was made.
19:40The report was
19:42very good.
19:44The best report
19:46that was made
19:48was of the standing committee
19:50of the senate.
19:52The simple thing
19:54is that
19:56if your entire problem
19:58is a disaster
20:00for your national economy,
20:02your national security
20:04is becoming a threat,
20:06if the business of this country
20:08goes out,
20:10if the people of this country
20:12are not able to give money,
20:14if there is no economic
20:16viability in this country
20:18and you say that
20:20you have to fulfill
20:22your liability,
20:24do you know that
20:26more than your salary,
20:28which is being talked about
20:30as a protected consumer,
20:32even if you pay
20:34Rs. 20,000 or Rs. 22,000,
20:36if he crosses more than
20:38200 units,
20:40he is giving you all the salary.
20:42He has to teach children,
20:44he has to run the house,
20:46how can he do that?
20:48And we are only in this
20:50that if the liability goes,
20:52if any contract of the world
20:54is threatening your national security,
20:56economic security
20:58and the economic viability
21:00of that country,
21:02then all clauses should be used
21:04to reverse those things.
21:06Sovereign guarantee is the last option.
21:10That is when you work
21:12unilaterally.
21:14I know, you know, everyone knows
21:16that there is fraud in this.
21:18There is excessive use
21:20of authority.
21:22There are technical things
21:24that can be addressed
21:26and then we keep our eyes closed.
21:28If we keep our eyes closed
21:30and keep going,
21:32you see, every person in Pakistan
21:34says that this IPP,
21:36you are taking Rs. 9,000 from them,
21:38you are giving them Rs. 42,000,
21:40you go to Bangladesh,
21:42what is your unit price there?
21:44You go to Afghanistan,
21:46you know how we are meeting them?
21:48This is another tragedy
21:50of Pakistanis.
22:18No, no.
22:48I think the government should
22:50open their eyes and ears.
22:52It shouldn't be the case that
22:54the people come to the streets
22:56and then it will be very difficult
22:58to send them back to their homes.
23:00The Jamaat-e-Islami has come out today.
23:02They will tell you where they are present
23:04in the country,
23:06they are showing their small scenes.
23:08I think the government should
23:10take a wake-up call.
23:12Let's go to the break.
23:14We will meet you again after the break.
23:18Welcome back, viewers.
23:20Today, you saw that the Jamaat-e-Islami
23:22has called for a protest in Islamabad,
23:24in Dhi Chowk,
23:26and especially in Rawalpindi, Islamabad,
23:28in different places,
23:30in the form of groups.
23:32The workers of the Jamaat-e-Islami
23:34are being arrested.
23:36First of all, let's tell you
23:38what the Amir of the Jamaat-e-Islami,
23:40Mr. Hafiz, is saying about this.
23:42We are peaceful people,
23:44we want to be peaceful,
23:46but how can we establish peace
23:48with the workers of the Jamaat-e-Islami?
23:50We want to reach Islamabad at any cost.
23:52We want to protest here,
23:54and I want to say this
23:56to all the people,
23:58the workers of the Jamaat-e-Islami,
24:00they have closed Islamabad with containers.
24:02Wherever there is a hurdle,
24:04there will be a protest.
24:06And we will turn one protest
24:08into many other protests.
24:10Fundamentally, the Jamaat-e-Islami
24:12which is protesting here,
24:14and Hafiz sahab is explaining the same.
24:16We want a reduction in electricity prices.
24:19We want to get rid of IPPs.
24:21We want to get rid of the slavery of the wage earners.
24:23We want to get rid of taxes.
24:25We want to get rid of the taxes of wheat, lentils, sugar and tea.
24:29And we have come out for the people, for ourselves.
24:31Come out, reach Islamabad and we will tell the government that they will have to step back.
24:39Babur Malik sahab from Rawalpindi is our correspondent.
24:43I was watching people coming out of Liaquat Bagh and then there were some arrests as well.
24:48Babur Malik, tell us, people from Rawalpindi were coming out of Jamaat-e-Islami.
24:54How far have they reached? Are they coming forward or have they stopped somewhere there?
24:59Yes, Mr. Guman, the wisdom of Jamaat-e-Islami was that wherever there is space, they will give it.
25:07Earlier, there was a lot of police presence.
25:09There were barriers, vans, containers, closed roads.
25:12But facing all these circumstances, these workers finally reached inside and outside Liaquat Bagh.
25:18And now there is such a large number of them that they have reached outside Liaquat Bagh
25:21and have given a formal protest.
25:23And this protest has turned into a demonstration.
25:26And a large number of local leaders like Raza Ahmed Shah and other central leaders of Jamaat-e-Islami
25:33and Punjab are also here.
25:35And there is only one demand from them,
25:37that the demands made on behalf of their leader, Ameer-e-Jamaat-e-Islami, Hafiz Naeem-ur-Rehman,
25:42which were increased in electricity prices,
25:45and they are demanding the return of that increase.
25:48Here, since they have closed Murree Road,
25:51Sikh and Rawalpindi's Khalid Mahmood Hamdani reached here and gave an offer
25:55that you take this peaceful protest inside Liaquat Bagh and hold a demonstration there.
26:01But this offer has been rejected by their local leaders.
26:04They have said that they will record their demand here.
26:07And they are sitting here after giving a protest.
26:09These workers of Jamaat-e-Islami have not only come from Rawalpindi,
26:12but they have also come from various areas of Punjab and Girdhonwa.
26:16And even from the side of the police, when they did not take any law into their own hands,
26:21but it was the implementation of Article 144.
26:23So, according to your news, they are present.
26:27They have given a protest there in front of Liaquat Bagh.
26:29They are not coming to Islamabad.
26:31Look, on behalf of Ameer-e-Jamaat-e-Islami,
26:34it was also said that if they are not allowed to come,
26:37then they will hold demonstrations wherever they come.
26:40Their aim is to record their protest against IPPs and the electricity bill.
26:44Absolutely right.
26:45I understood.
26:46We will take you now.
26:48Viewers, Mr. Zahid Mashwani is present at D-Chowk.
26:52Because his main objective is to reach D-Chowk.
26:59His main destination.
27:01We are trying to contact him now.
27:03If we get in touch, we will definitely get to know from him too.
27:06Viewers, let's move on to the next story.
27:09In Pakistan, the topic of justice has been raised.
27:14Now, every day we get to hear a new statement from Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
27:20Tariq-e-Insaf has been trying to give some good news for the past two days.
27:25How much life does he have?
27:27What is the reality?
27:28First of all, you heard Asad Qaisar's statement yesterday.
27:31He is saying that the matter will be under our control by December.
27:36Look, I have good expectations.
27:38On what basis do you have expectations?
27:39Look, you can't see some things, but you have a feeling.
27:43There is a sense.
27:45Because of this, I feel that, God willing, Tariq-e-Insaf's time will come.
27:50I have a hope that the situation will get better by December.
27:53I think that our seats will be so high that we will be able to make our government.
27:58Umer Youb, leader of the opposition.
28:00He met his leader yesterday, Bani PTI.
28:04When he came out of Adiala jail, he gave a message to Bani PTI.
28:11What is that message?
28:14There were four to five important messages in the name of Prime Minister Imran Khan's nation.
28:21First of all, General Asim Munir, who is the Chief of Army Staff,
28:26should realize that the current government of PDM or Shahbaz Sharif
28:34is trying to bring the army, PTI and the people of Pakistan together.
28:42Along with this, he gave a message to our chairman, our party leader,
28:47that you should prepare for the elections.
28:50Prime Minister Imran Khan has said in the name of the nation that you should prepare.
28:54There will be general elections in the country.
28:57If there are clear and transparent elections,
29:02then the justice of Pakistan will be sweetened.
29:07Azam Nazeer Tariq is saying that all is well.
29:11There is no problem. The government will complete its five-year plan.
29:16What can I comment on his wish list?
29:20A five-year time has been given in the constitution.
29:23There is no such situation.
29:25All is well. If Allah wills it, the five years will be completed.
29:28He also said that the army and PTI are trying to create hatred.
29:34I think this is his answer.
29:38Mr. Nagri, how do you take this message of PTI?
29:44He is saying that we are standing with the army.
29:48This is the current government. This is making us fight.
29:52This is a very good and positive thing.
29:55Not only PTI, but all political parties in Pakistan should think like this.
29:59They can come to power at any time.
30:03When such a thought arises,
30:05the party that will come to power in the future,
30:08will try to take the country towards terrorism.
30:11They will not try to destroy the country.
30:13This is a very good thing.
30:14But there is one more thing.
30:16The two central leaders of PTI,
30:18Mr. Omar Ayyub and Mr. Asad Qaisar,
30:21Mr. Omar Ayyub said that PTI should prepare for the elections.
30:26Mr. Qaisar said that we will come to power by December.
30:30Our numbers will be completed.
30:32There is a lot of clash in both these things.
30:34I think there is either a communication gap between them,
30:37or both these things are being done in the air.
30:40What I understood is that when we come to power,
30:44our prime minister will dissolve the assembly.
30:47Then we will go to the next election.
30:49The current government will not take them to the next election.
30:52We will not break the assembly.
30:54When we come to power, we do not have the money.
30:56In Lahore, Malik Ahmed Khan, the speaker of the Punjab Assembly,
31:00is very active these days.
31:02He gives a daily press conference.
31:04He is also saying that,
31:06even if the tribunals decide against us,
31:09nothing is happening to our government.
31:12I have recorded all your cases in the elections tribunals.
31:18There are 26 cases related to my assembly.
31:2126.
31:22I will give you all of it.
31:24You can take it.
31:26Even if all 26 cases are in your favor,
31:28the government and opposition will not change.
31:31What do you want to say?
31:34Mr. Qaisar, why are you so angry?
31:3826 cases are in your favor.
31:40You can take 26 seats.
31:42You can win.
31:44What do you want to say?
31:46Do you want our government to stay?
31:50No.
31:51When the government dissolves the National Assembly,
31:55they will know what their situation is.
31:59I don't know if it is 26 or 260 seats.
32:03This is their view.
32:05He is the only speaker who has sealed the Leader of the Opposition's chamber.
32:10He has closed his entrance.
32:12He claims to be a democrat.
32:15He says that he has studied in the UK.
32:18Most unfortunate.
32:21Mr. Joye, please continue.
32:25The cases are opening up.
32:29The cases are opening up.
32:38Why don't you take a view from Mr. Hassan?
32:40I am coming to Mr. Hassan.
32:42Mr. Joye, Malik Ahmed Khan...
32:44He has come down from the mountain.
32:47Let's ask him what his situation is.
32:51Mr. Malik Ahmed Khan...
32:54If I am not mistaken,
32:56Mr. Joye, he has trained with one of your friends.
33:02Yes, I have trained with him.
33:04You have a good relationship with him.
33:06Okay.
33:07Mr. Hassan, yesterday Mr. Rana Sinhawala said something very strange.
33:10You don't know that he was the one who took me to Prado.
33:14I was going to talk about that.
33:16You are late.
33:17Your soap is running slow today.
33:19You don't want to listen to me, do you?
33:22No, Mr. Joye. Please continue.
33:24No, no.
33:25The white car that he took,
33:28in which he was lying on the back seat with him,
33:32that is a famous incident.
33:34Okay, okay. He was driving that car.
33:36I completely understood.
33:37Mr. Rana Sinhawala is saying something.
33:39He is trying to hide something.
33:41What is the secret of the web?
33:43We will know from Mr. Hassan.
33:44Please listen to his statement first.
33:46He is trying to make a web.
33:49If he finds a way,
33:51he will try to play such games.
33:55We can see that he is trying to do something.
34:00He will try.
34:01These are private meetings.
34:03He is saying that he has talked to them.
34:05As soon as the Chief Justice is changed in November,
34:08he will prepare for the next election.
34:11If you put two or three things together,
34:15then Mr. Umar Ayyub, Mr. Gauhar Khan,
34:19or Mr. Asad Kaisar, who are talking,
34:21you have a little doubt on them.
34:23But there is nothing to doubt.
34:25We will have to be alert.
34:27And we will have to face these things.
34:29We will have to manage these things.
34:31He is saying one thing, Hassan.
34:33He is saying that we will have to be alert.
34:35Because they also know in science
34:37that this is how it happens.
34:39You don't know.
34:40No, his desire is very strong.
34:42It is of every political party.
34:44Yes, let me continue.
34:46The PTI took this step
34:48that somehow the existing government,
34:50People's Party and Muslim League Nawaz,
34:52should create distrust between the establishment.
34:55What would be the benefit of this?
34:57If a single statement comes from the Muslim League Nawaz
35:00or People's Party,
35:01then the establishment will move away a little.
35:04And one thing was the objective of this.
35:06Secondly, to give a lollipop to the workers,
35:09that they should stay with us.
35:10We are coming to power.
35:12However, it is very clear that
35:14till Imran Khan does not make a public apology on 9th May,
35:18public apology,
35:19that is, he will not come to the people and apologize
35:21that we have made this mistake,
35:23we have attacked the state.
35:25Till then, the establishment will not end their strictness.
35:29It is a very far-fetched thing to talk about.
35:31Imran Khan has given messages several times.
35:34He did not get an answer from them
35:36that until he does not apologize,
35:38the matter will not move forward.
35:40So they have not apologized yet.
35:42And until they do not apologize,
35:44they will continue to run after their desires.
35:47Is the strictness increasing now?
35:48Yes, the strictness is going to increase further.
35:50Is it going to increase?
35:51Yes, it is going to increase.
35:52And there will be arrests in the coming days.
35:54And new cases will be made.
35:56And Imran Khan's one more conviction is ready.
35:58Okay.
35:59I mean, how many more years are left?
36:01What is the conviction now?
36:02It's been a year and a half now.
36:03Okay.
36:04A year has passed.
36:05A year has passed.
36:06Let's go.
36:07Let's take a short break.
36:09After this, we will talk about a major kidnapping in Karachi.
36:13We will know from Mr. Naqvi
36:16what the matter is.
36:18Is it a personal feud?
36:19Or is there really a criminal mafia behind it?
36:22And at the same time,
36:24we will also talk to the reporter
36:26who is present at the D-Chowk
36:28regarding the current situation and the protest.