The Congress Party has labelled the Union Budget 2024 as a "Kursi Bachao" budget, criticising it as a move designed more to protect political positions than to address pressing economic issues. Despite this, various states argue that the budget's provisions, including significant financial sops, are crucial and much-needed for addressing regional challenges and boosting local economies. The debate highlights the contrasting views on the budget's effectiveness and its impact on both national politics and state-level development
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00:00The Hilal Ahmed is there from Congress party with us.
00:04Hilalji, welcome. Thank you so much for taking time out for One India.
00:09We saw the tweet by Rahul Gandhi and understandably so. He is the leader of opposition
00:16and he doesn't see much merit in this budget. How do you see it? And secondly,
00:21what good reasons would you give to back what Rahul Gandhi has said?
00:25First of all, I would like to say a few words about the budget. Very, very few words.
00:34When NDA government or BJP government has come into power in 2014,
00:42the prospects in economy which was left over by the UP,
00:46two crore employment per year. This is what has been promised. So Narendra Modi must have
00:55seen some prospects in the economy. That's why he has promised two crore employment per year.
01:01After 10 or 11 years of Modi, presently our economy's prospects are one crore
01:09people will be given training in a few 500 companies, that too in five years.
01:22So where he has got the economy, the prospect for two crore employment per year.
01:27What today the prospects are there in the employment or in the economy, it is that only
01:35one crore people will be given a sort of training in a few big companies. This is what has been
01:43promised by the government. So you can understand from where he has got the economy and where he
01:48has brought it to. And these are the evaluations not by the Congress. This is the evaluation which
01:53has been done by the Bharatiya Janata Party or our Prime Minister himself. I'm not saying anything.
02:00And if anything is wrong, anyone can check me out. There is no factual mistake in it.
02:05One thing. Second thing is that if you see the budget, the only thing which is very loud and clear
02:12is that in order to save the government of today or NDA, Bihar and Andhra Pradesh have been given
02:23a substantial amount from the budget. Why UP has been left, UP also needs the same kind of
02:31economic structure, just because he doesn't have anyone who is supporting the government. UP has
02:40been left. Himachal Pradesh has been left. Even the elections in J&K have been left. There is no
02:46proposal for that. Even for that matter, what kind of allocation has been made for the defense sector,
02:52even that is not very clear in the budget. The only thing which is very clear is that
02:57what amount has been given to Andhra Pradesh and what amount has been given to Bihar.
03:01The rest of the things are under the carpet. So why not we say that this budget is just to please
03:06their two allies? Okay. Mr. Ahmed, see, I mean, two things are there. You know, I think out of
03:15the 29 states and a few union territories that we have, any state which would receive any sort of
03:24special attention from the center would attract the opposition's wrath. That is understood. This
03:29time around it is Bihar and Andhra Pradesh, understandably so, because they are the two
03:33alliance partners. They came out, they stuck their neck out and they stayed with the NDA government
03:40and hence this has been done. But as far as Bihar is concerned, as I would reiterate it,
03:46the allocation was due for a long time. The corridor that is being talked about,
03:53the destinations, tourist destinations that have been chalked out, it's a good move. Bihar
03:59needs it, unfortunately, because people are only leaving Bihar and coming out.
04:03This time around some effort, it appears that yes, people will get jobs there too,
04:07there will be some development there too. So people will come there, they will stay there,
04:10business will also flourish. So for this, I think the entire credit should be given.
04:13But Mr. Rajalakshmi, I would like to know from you here that one thing is to promise.
04:19Just I will answer. Okay, fair enough, sir. Please, please.
04:22The condition of Bihar has been such since last 10 or 11 years.
04:28In Bihar, they have been in collision since last 10 years. But why they haven't addressed the issue
04:34from Bihar 10 years back? Like this is the 11th budget which has been presented by this government.
04:40Then why this issue has not been issued previously? One thing. Secondly,
04:44TDP has left in 2018 only on this issue. Why this issue was not addressed at that time?
04:50So it is very loud and clear. Just because you want to save your government,
04:54that's why you are placating these two allies. And there is no other reason because in 2018.
05:02Because in 2018, TDP has left on the same ground. Bihar has been asking the same thing. Even Modi
05:08has said, I'm going to give a package of 1 lakh crore, 2 lakh crore. If you do remember,
05:14what happened to that? So like now, since you are dependent on your allies,
05:20they are arm-twisting you. And you have coughed out this money of the taxpayers
05:29just to save your government. This budget is very clear.
05:34See, I mean, again, Hilalji, I understand that. But again, this is not a new phenomena happening
05:42outside of Indian political playbook. That's what I'm trying to say. If there is appeasement here,
05:47their own allies have reformed the government. So any political party will do this. Now call it
05:52compulsion or masterstroke. But in this situation, I will say that if Bihar is getting something,
05:57then I think it should not be said in the whole country. Because we just saw a few days ago,
06:03Nalanda University was renovated. It is a very big thing. Trust me, I come from that state.
06:07So I understand what are the sentiments. So it is very important. But Mr. Rajdakshmi,
06:11I would like to know from you that promises are made, allocation is done, everything is done.
06:17Implementation, how good are we at it? And whether we are going to see the light of the day or these
06:25multi-crore projects would see the light of the day and be expedited?
06:34Yes, definitely. See, most of those projects that have been announced,
06:38they are all, a lot of them are infrastructure projects. And there is a lot about,
06:45like especially in say Andhra Pradesh, there is this thing about the capital city.
06:49And in Bihar, it's mostly about the infrastructure. So you know, all of that,
06:54if you have seen in the past 10 years, there has been a very good record of the Modi government,
06:58where it has actually been double of what has happened over the last 65 years, you could say.
07:04So that is the kind of record that the Modi government has had. So here, you know, I'm not
07:10here speaking as a spokesperson of the BJP. But even then, that part about infrastructure is
07:16something that nobody can deny. And I think that that, like you rightly pointed out that that was
07:22something that the state of Bihar was definitely, you know, it was long due. And I think that the
07:30opposition is actually taking a very wrong stand here. Are they trying to say that the
07:35states of Bihar and Andhra Pradesh should not have got these packages even now? So is that
07:40the kind of a standard they are trying to say? So then I mean, then I think that they're taking
07:44a very wrong and a very negative stand. And at the same time, like I was telling you,
07:49that there are a lot of issues there, like even with Andhra Pradesh. So if the Modi government
07:55had not taken it up in 2018, then it is a welcome step that they have taken it now. So I think that
08:03I genuinely believe that, you know, Andhra Pradesh definitely needed a revenue generator.
08:09And Mr. Chandrababu Naidu has a very good vision about Vishakhapatnam and about Amravati. So all
08:17of that, I think it is not just about a particular state. See, we have to look at it in totality.
08:23So you cannot leave a country lagging behind. So that is something that, you know, now,
08:30it's appalling that, you know, all these parties, they come up saying that this state has not got
08:36anything, that state has not got anything. It is not like that. See, in the previous governments,
08:40you had a lot of railway ministers coming up and announcing some trains that are actually
08:47catering to their own states or their own alliance partners. So that actually is a very big
08:52political statement again. So that actually, you're not looking at actual maintenance, you're
08:58not looking at actual facilities, you're not looking at upgrading anything, just announcing
09:02randomly announcing trains. So that is not what is happening right now. And there are, like I said,
09:06you have to read this budget in continuity with the interim budget. So then a lot of things,
09:12especially about the defence, about the defence infrastructure. See, about defence, I would like
09:16to say that this thing about the defence, I think that this government is looking at it as a huge
09:22consolidated plan. It starts with the formation of the CDF and then about how, you know, there is
09:28this infrastructure along the borders, then there is this Atmanirbha Bharat for the defence
09:35manufacturing and the export also. And along with it, you know, all of that,
09:40the how, you know, there is a lot of things, all of that, you know, that allocation, the satellites
09:46and the drones, all of it comes under the defence also.
09:51Yes, absolutely. The implementation part is what is more worrisome and what needs more attention
09:56here. And I also shift my attention to Hilal Ahmed ji. Hilal ji, see, as far as,
10:02as Raja Lakshmini ji mentioned, the choice of any state, let alone Bihar or Andhra Pradesh,
10:08had it been any state, you ask any state whether they need the government's help,
10:12they will say, yes, we need it. Whether it is Gujarat, whether it is Tamil Nadu, whether it is
10:16Kerala or Uttar Pradesh or any Punjab, or any developed state. I would like to draw your
10:25attention towards the common man. Do you think there was something for the common man in this
10:30budget? If there is, what did you get? If not, why not? And secondly, this is the first budget of
10:38the Modi 3.0 government. What are your expectations or what are your fears
10:44as far as the subsequent budgets are concerned in the next coming four years?
10:51First of all, I would like to say like, if Raj Lakshmini ji is not a spokesperson of the BJP,
10:56then I would like to say that even BJP spokesperson would not have defended the budget and
11:01these allocations so well as you have done it. She has her own views as political analyst.
11:07Yeah, yeah. I'm just complimenting her. I'm just complimenting her. The way she has defended it is
11:15absolutely fantastic. First thing. Second thing, as far as the development of the Bihar
11:20infrastructure is concerned, we have seen the development of Bihar infrastructure
11:27raising down to the ground within 10 years. We have seen so many bridges are collapsing
11:34and all of them have been great during the time of BJP and Nitesh Kumar.
11:43Both of them have been building it.
11:56You can check it out.
11:58Do see that. And not only Bihar, what happened in Maharashtra.
12:07And forget about all these things. What happened in Ayodhya?
12:13The infrastructure building is a corruption building.
12:16This is what Aam Aadmi is seeing it. One thing. Second thing, yes. Why Bihar and
12:29Andhra, they should not get? Yes, they should get. And they should have got it much before.
12:34My argument is not that they should not have got it. My argument is that they should have got it
12:39much before. They should have got it in 2018.
12:47Bharatiya Janata Party does not want the development of Andhra Pradesh or Bihar.
12:53They just want political development. And there is no other. This message is also very loud and
12:59clear. Why did they not give it in 2018? They should have left it at that time.
13:03Then it was removed as the most corrupt party.
13:06Bharatiya Janata Party has been with Nitesh Kumar since the time of Atalji, since 1999.
13:13It has not been since then. This demand has been there for a long time.
13:17So even now I understand that it is not for the development of Bihar,
13:20it is for the development of the BJP politics. These are the two things.
13:24Now the third thing. What I was expecting, take a leave out of Congress. There is nothing wrong
13:29in it. What is wrong in it? What did we do? We did not give guarantees. We gave rights.
13:35We gave rights. The Bharatiya Janata Party did not say anything about the rights.
13:40MNREGA was a right. Right for the unemployed people living in the rural area.
13:45This was the right. Right to education. Shiksha ka adhikar, that was a right. Adhikar diya tha.
13:52Right to food. Khad de surakshaad hi nahi hum. Humne right ke taur par diya tha. Humne ihsaan
13:58nahi kiya tha. This is a big difference between Congress and Bharatiya Janata Party.
14:02What we are providing is providing as a right to the citizen of India
14:06so that no one can take it out. Presently, the present government is saying that we are
14:13giving food to the 80 crore people of India. They are giving it under the right to food.
14:19Jo unka khad de surakshaad hi nahi hum hai. Food security aat hai. They are providing this thing
14:24under that. Midday meal. This is what we have today. This is how we have developed this economy.
14:33We have created demand. These things create demand. And what you are doing? You are just
14:40generating supply. Where is the demand? Just by giving a rebate of say around 17,000 rupees
14:49to the person who is earning 10 lakh rupees in a year. He is getting a rebate of 17,000 rupees.
14:55How much demand will it create? How much demand will it generate? And please don't tell me that
15:00this infrastructure development will create a lot of demand. You are developing this
15:05infrastructure at a very fast pace. Right from the beginning, everything was developing at a
15:10very fast pace. Bahut tezi se ban rahi tu, utni tezi se sab dhalam bhi ho gayi, utni tezi sab niche
15:14bhi aate hai. To yeh aapke development ko nahi dikhata hai. Yeh aapke corruption dikhata hai.
15:19This shows your corruption. How greedy you are. Kitni jaldi, kitni tez, kitna paisa hum andar
15:24kar le. And yeh hum nahi keh rahe hain. This is what Prime Minister has said during election.
15:30If you do remember, ki Ambani aur Adani ka kaala dhan jo hai, wo scooter mein,
15:35boro mein bharke, sarkon pe daudhaha. To yeh fact bhi hamare Pradhan Mantri ji ka accept kiya.
15:42To hum aapko jo bhi bata rahe hain, to sari baate bhi bata rahe hain, to accept kiya ho raha hai.
15:47To jaha par itna corruption ho, itna rampant corruption ho, jaha par aap kisi ko koi rights
15:52nahi de rahe hain, jaha par aap ek scheme bata rahe hain. Just tell me one good scheme,
15:56jaha par government deri. Loans, loans are given by the banks. Banks apna NPA nahi badhaata hai.
16:02And like, I'm a professor of economics and so many research people are doing,
16:09so many research under me. Can you believe it? Ki yeh jo loans diye ja rahe hain,
16:14they are not ready to give loans because there is no collateral and so many NPAs are generating.
16:21Non-nationalized banks are not giving any kind of loan, no matter what the government says,
16:26and you can check it out. You can very easily check it out, they are not giving it and they
16:31are doing it rightly because government is not giving it. Who is on risk? It is my money,
16:37you're saving, my saving. Bank is on risk. Govt ka kya risk paal hai? Kuch bhi kuch risk paal hai.
16:44Aap bataye anything, made in India, made in India, very good thing. Wo share kabhi chalai
16:51nahi because it is made in India but made by Chinese. Aap Chinese technicians ko visa dene
16:56ke liye kyu itna prashan hai? Why you people are so much in a hurry to provide visa to the
17:02Chinese technicians? Aap made in India but made by China in India. So where should I say,
17:10whatever you say, what has been given in the agriculture sector? Aap bataye agriculture
17:16output ko kam karne ke liye anything has been done, koi tax rebate bhi gayi ho, GST mein koi
17:22chhut bhi gayi, nothing has been given. There is such a huge inflation and this inflation and plus
17:29GST on all the edibles, is it not leading to the further inflation? Government is unable to
17:36understand what is the problem in the economy.
17:42See, Hilal Ahmed ji got your point here and this is one thing that we had just discussed and I would
17:49like to draw Rajalakshmi ji's attention towards it, that while we discussed about implementation,
17:58more often than not Rajalakshmi ji, the BJP or the NDA government has been caught or has been
18:06asked to be accountable for the delivery mechanism. How, about the longevity, whether the
18:14efforts that are being put in, is there any ulterior motive or not? Kabhi kwar hota hai,
18:18usse hum log jumle ka bhi naam humne suna ki sarkar keh toh deti hai lekin implement nahin
18:22hota hai. Is cheez ko lekar, Hilal Ahmed example bhi abhi de rahe hain ki infrastructure that
18:29started crumbling, especially Bihar mein agar dekha jaye toh wahan par pool jo gir rahe the,
18:33it was unfortunate once again and whether the Bihar, people of Bihar think in terms who is
18:39responsible or not, but they first of all need a bridge. Unke liye woh bridge koi bhi bana de toh
18:45bahut badi baat hoti hai. They start celebrating but unfortunately that collapses. So, yaha
18:49politics mein jane se pehle mujhe lagta hai ki jo sthiti hai usi ko behtar karne ki zarurat hai.
18:54Doosre cheez yeh hai ki
18:57how best the BJP can get rid of this tag that they promise but implementation gets
19:04delayed and at times the delivery also is not long lasting. Rajlakshmi ji.
19:12Pankaj ji, I actually, I am not aware of this kind of a tag,
19:17very frankly, because in fact this thing about implementation is something that
19:27actually is something that the people really believe. So, you may call me a spokesperson
19:32of the BJP or whatever, but this is something that I have observed and this is something that
19:37I have been seeing. I live in Maharashtra, I live in Mumbai and I am also, I have also been traveling
19:43to other parts of the country. So, it is not as if we have not seen the infrastructure. So,
19:48if you want to talk about cracks in the road etc, there have been a lot of cases, like if you look
19:54at, there have been some glaring examples during the UPA time. So, if you look at during the
20:00commonwealth games, so all of that, there were some glaring examples of how there was a huge
20:07corruption. So, you know, all of those things are there, but then apart from that, if you see,
20:13now, you know, the examples that he has been talking about, say if he is talking about Ayodhya,
20:17you know, there has been a lot of misinformation. Let me tell you that in the Ram Mandir,
20:22the, there is this construction still going on and there was a clarification been given,
20:26but in spite of that, the Congress keeps talking about it. So, they want to keep talking about it
20:31as if, you know, there is a failure in the infrastructure. Instead of giving a proper
20:36solution. The Congress also says that what was the hurry to inaugurate the Ram Mandir. I'm so
20:40sorry. The Congress also says that what was the hurry to inaugurate the Ram temple and that they
20:45say that it was because... That is another discussion for another day.
20:50Let me ask one more question. What about G20?
20:53No, let me just finish my point.
20:58You are not a Congress, you are not a disability.
21:00No, no.
21:03Okay, I'm asking you just a question.
21:04Let me finish.
21:06Yeah, yeah, your answer, you carry on.
21:09So, why there was this inauguration done on January 22nd is another discussion for another
21:19day. You invite me for a discussion on that, I will definitely tell you what are the reasons.
21:24And I think that will be very embarrassing for the Congress if we have that discussion.
21:28So, let us keep that discussion aside. So, let us now focus on this thing about the
21:35infrastructure. Now, the infrastructure that he's been talking about. Yes, in Bihar,
21:38it is definitely concerning. I tell you, it is concerning.
21:42Any infrastructure, if there is a failure, it is definitely concerning.
21:47But then you cannot completely tag the entire central government and say that whatever roads
21:52they have built is all bhakwas. You cannot say that because today we are seeing that,
21:57you know, there are definitely some failures at some point. So, that has to be looked into.
22:02But then you cannot completely dissolve the entire budget saying that this is something that
22:06it is a populist budget. I would say it is not a populist budget at all.
22:10And in spite of the fact that you're saying that I'm a BJP spokesperson,
22:14I told you very frankly and bluntly that it is not a populist budget because the middle class
22:20definitely was looking forward to much more. But this is something that the middle class
22:24has been living with. Ever since I was born, I'm seeing that there have been worse instances.
22:30So, this thing is nothing new for the middle class that, you know, we have not been given
22:37enough of socks for that matter. Now, when it comes to this thing about the rights that he
22:42was talking about, let me tell you that I would say that there is a difference between welfare
22:49schemes and there is a difference between freebies. Now, most of these things that he's
22:53talking about is about freebies. So, this you cannot call it as rights. So, what here I can
23:00see as an attempt is like even when it comes to the electricity, what they're trying to do is
23:06they're trying to give the solar. Yes, you can laugh about it. They're trying to give the solar
23:11panels to the poor people so that they can actually generate electricity out of it. So,
23:17the Congress who laughs about all of this is actually wanting the middle class to be bearing
23:23for this cost, this additional cost of giving free electricity to a certain section of the populace.
23:28And then they have the audacity to laugh over it when somebody is saying that everybody can
23:35actually even earn much more out of it. And the middle class will not have to bear
23:40this additional brunt of it. So, this I find that, you know, the Congress,
23:44how can they have this audacity to offer freebies and then say that this is the right of those
23:50people and by taking away something from the middle class. So, this actually is something
23:55that they put the development of more like they have been doing in Karnataka. They've been raising
24:01the prices of milk, of petrol, of diesel, of the stamp duty, of everything possible. And then they
24:08expect the middle class to be happy with it. And they have the audacity to say that the BJP is
24:13doing nothing for the common man. State budgets, obviously.
24:17And if I bring it out, I'm a BJP spokesperson, Pankaj.
24:22No, no, no. You are a political analyst for us and you are and we wish if you want to join any
24:28party, you're free to do so. But you are most welcome here on One India as a political analyst.
24:34Hiral Saab, one final take we will have from you. I just wanted to add here that today Nirmala
24:41spoke about free electricity also. And six months down the line, free electricity
24:47was being used by the BJP in a not so acceptable manner as it was being touted that
25:11would you respond, first of all, to the clarification that Rajalakshmi gave? And
25:16secondly, if at all, why I asked you that question that what would be Congress's strategy
25:21and response or fears or aspirations for the next four budgets that are due from this government?
25:28Okay, at least four of them are left there.
25:41Pankaj, by lettering it is very clear. I have given a compliment to Rajalakshmi that
25:53like the way she is espousing the cause of the BJP can even BJP would not have done it.
26:00Of course, it was a question. Yeah, they would not have done it.
26:02It was a compliment. I think at least she accepted that.
26:06Yeah, I take it in only that sense, because the way you are putting the cause of the
26:12second thing, as far as the infrastructure is concerned.
26:19What happened in Maharashtra? There are so many such a huge gaps in that bridge.
26:29That's the approach road. It's not the actual bridge.
26:35Who has made it? Who has made it? Who has made it? Who has made it? Who was responsible for that?
26:44Fine. We saw that report. We saw that.
26:47Come to the Lucknow Agra Expressway. It was inaugurated by the Prime Minister and could
26:55not function just because of the bad construction for six months. For six months, it was not
27:00operational. Come to the Purvanchal Expressway, UP. It is still not functional.
27:09Still, there are so many patches, although it has been inaugurated. If you remember,
27:14the same Purvanchal Expressway, in which Yogi Ji was running behind Modi Ji's car.
27:24Even that has got the same problem. You cannot defend corruption. You just cannot defend
27:30corruption. You are talking about commonwealth. You forget about G20, which has just been made.
27:34It has been made so bad that it cannot even be repaired. The underpasses in it.
27:40Pankaj Ji, you must be knowing this.
27:44Yeah, I have been to that part of Delhi. Yes, I used that highway also, that underpass.
27:48Exactly. Now, coming to the Ayodhya part.
27:52In Ayodhya, where the statue of Ram Ji has been erected,
27:57the area above it, due to bad construction, due to corruption of Champat Rai Ji, who was in news
28:09for his corruption, right from the time he has taken the charge. That part is leaking.
28:16I'm not talking about any other part. Exactly.
28:20That was not the government's construction. That was not the government's construction.
28:25This is something which you did not like.
28:27That is not the government's construction. This was claimed.
28:29You want to have a discussion on this?
28:32No, no, no. It's okay. I mean, he is right. I get your point.
28:36I have apologised for that. I think you should, this is why you put his spokesperson to a shame.
28:45Anyway, now, as far as the...
28:48Do you really want to have a discussion on this right now?
28:51Do you really want to have a discussion on this right now?
28:54Hilal Saab, please come to the point. Please come to the point.
28:56You're saying that the infrastructure is not...
28:57This is quite obvious that you don't have anything to say about the budget.
29:02And there are a lot of things that I would like to say about the freebies.
29:06I would like to add a few things about the freebies.
29:08You know, in Karnataka, in Karnataka, there are a lot of workers because all of them are sitting...
29:15Please don't make this a discussion.
29:17We are just you and me.
29:19Please don't make this a discussion.
29:23We don't have workers.
29:25So, I'm going to talk for an hour and a half.
29:27So, how can you say that?
29:29Sir, we will come to you.
29:31How can you even say that?
29:33Sir, this is a crisis.
29:35You don't let me speak here or there.
29:37You let her speak in the parliament as well.
29:39She is trying to make a point.
29:41Rajrakshi, we will come to you for a final word.
29:43I promise. I promise.
29:45Hilal Saab, please come to the point.
29:47Not coming to that.
29:49Not coming to the budget.
29:51I've never said whether the SOPs have been given or not.
29:53I've never mentioned.
29:55Because this is the budget
29:57which even the best economists
29:59won't be able to decipher
30:01what he is trying to say.
30:03What he is trying to do.
30:05Has any provision been made for the census?
30:07That's a beauty.
30:09If you think that's a beauty, then I am with you.
30:11Has any provision been made for the census?
30:13Do you know?
30:15Has any provision been made
30:17for the elections in Kashmir?
30:19Have you seen it?
30:21What is in it?
30:23There is no provision for such a big census.
30:25There is no provision for Kashmir.
30:27Okay, tell me. What is the allocation for the defence?
30:29How much money has been allocated
30:31for the defence? Just tell me.
30:33Is there any
30:35allocation for the defence?
30:37Both of you are sitting and you must have
30:39seen the budget. Tell me
30:41what kind of allocation has been made.
30:43Now coming to the
30:45SOPs and coming to that
30:47welfare issue.
30:49I don't think that I should argue for that
30:51on you because you have got absolutely no idea
30:53what is SOPs and what is social welfare.
30:55Whatever schemes I am saying, they are
30:57constitutional rights.
30:59And that's why they are welfaristic.
31:01Like you mentioned Manrega.
31:03Okay, point taken.
31:05Right to Information,
31:07Right to Security Act,
31:09all of them are
31:11provisions made under
31:13the constitution. You cannot call
31:15them SOPs. And if you
31:17cannot understand the difference between
31:19the welfaristic scheme and SOPs,
31:21I am sorry for that. Nothing can be done.
31:23Nothing I can say. One thing.
31:25Sir, these are...
31:27One more observation. Just one more observation.
31:29Yes.
31:31Anything given for the
31:33upliftment of the farmer
31:35except for the SOP, which is
31:37given to them, Rs 6,000
31:39per annum, which goes
31:41personally to them.
31:43Any kind of
31:45like choot has
31:47been given on GST.
31:49Any kind of
31:51choot has been given on GST.
31:53All our input,
31:55all our operations
31:57in agriculture,
31:59none has been given.
32:01You talk about building an airport,
32:03they build an airport whose
32:05roofs fall off. Praful Patel ji,
32:07who is your blue-eyed boy of Maharaj,
32:09you must know him well.
32:11He is the blue-eyed boy of the Indian Inter-Party.
32:13Who else can we name?
32:15All of them are your blue-eyed boys today.
32:17Again, infrastructure.
32:19Neither can you maintain it,
32:21nor can you build infrastructure.
32:23So, this budget
32:25is... I mean, look at it from the line.
32:27If you look at it from anywhere,
32:29infrastructure development.
32:31One question is that this is not a
32:33populist budget.
32:35I have never said that.
32:37No one can understand.
32:39One thing is clear.
32:41It is not going to create any demands.
32:43So, wherever we are standing,
32:45there will be problems.
32:47Inflation has not been addressed.
32:49It will remain inflation.
32:51There won't be any problems.
32:53You will train 1 crore children
32:55and then what?
32:57Then what?
32:59So, where did you get the economy from?
33:01Let's see.
33:03It's not like that.
33:05We will have to give a chance.
33:07Yes, you have given a chance.
33:09When you got the economy,
33:11there were so many prospects
33:13who were talking about giving jobs.
33:15You have ruined that economy so much
33:17that in today's date,
33:19you are telling only 1 crore people
33:21for free
33:23that they will go and get training
33:25and they will be employable.
33:27And that too only 1 crore people
33:29in 5 years. So, in today's economy,
33:31these are the prospects.
33:33So, the way you have ruined the economy
33:35in 11 years, this is such
33:37data which is very loud and clear.
33:39And the economy...
33:41Mr. Hilal...
33:47This is what you have achieved.
33:49Mr. Hilal,
33:51you have touched upon
33:53the raw nerves. I must say that.
33:55And also, this
33:57internship program that is there,
33:59our concern as corporates
34:01or our concerns as where we need
34:03interns, where we see a lot of
34:05deserving and at times
34:07pressures coming
34:09and trying to apply. This time around,
34:11it's a welcome move. Mr. Rajalakshmi,
34:13I would like to ask you a final word. You can reply
34:15in the same breath.
34:17That,
34:19it's a very crucial
34:21factor that our youth,
34:23those looking for internships, are
34:25skilled. Skilled man force.
34:27So, how did the government
34:29study this, I would say. First, they
34:31opened skill development centres.
34:33When the government came for the first time,
34:35it was a new thing.
34:37And it was a great failure.
34:43A centre of corruption.
34:45That is also a centre of corruption.
34:57This is just passing your responsibility
34:59to the corporate sector.
35:01I am unable to do it.
35:03Passing your responsibility to the corporate sector.
35:05I get your point, sir. One final
35:07answer from Mr. Rajalakshmi and then we wrap up
35:09this debate. I believe both of you have to head to
35:11another debate also.
35:13Please, Mr. Rajalakshmi.
35:15Mr. Pankaj, like I was telling you
35:17earlier, if you keep looking at
35:19everything in this kind of a narrow
35:21and in a negative light, then
35:23you have to
35:25it will just be this narrative that
35:27nothing good is happening in our
35:29country. That is the narrative that the
35:31opposition is building and that is why
35:33I am speaking against it
35:35and I am speaking for
35:37the good things, the good initiatives
35:39that are being taken up. See, earlier
35:41there was this
35:43there was no
35:45thought being given to this thing about Swachh Bharat.
35:47The Congress laughed over it.
35:49This thing about Swachh Bharat, they called it a
35:51failure from day one. The Congress
35:53spokesperson, he laughed
35:55at the Swachh Bharat.
35:59Please, please,
36:01Mr. Rajalakshmi,
36:03please say a few words
36:05about Swachh Bharat,
36:07about Startup India.
36:09See, now,
36:11who is creating this
36:13parliamentary kind of atmosphere here?
36:15Let's hear her out.
36:17What is this thing about
36:19Startup India,
36:21Swachh Bharat, the toilets,
36:23all of this, you know, all those
36:25initiatives, the Congress laughed over it.
36:27Instead of actually contributing or
36:29taking some kind of
36:31pride in the fact that yes, we
36:33can do a lot of startups.
36:35See, there has been a huge increase in the number
36:37of startups, in the number of
36:39you know, those
36:41kind of initiatives have definitely helped.
36:43The Mudra knows they were definitely
36:45helpful to all the ladies,
36:47to all the women. The idea of
36:49millets, the idea of yoga, all these
36:51things have been taken up and have been implemented
36:53very beautifully.
36:55And that's why the government has
36:57come back to power.
36:59Yes, definitely.
37:01We have come back to power for the first time.
37:03Yes.
37:05I just want to add
37:07one more thing.
37:09I just want to add one more thing.
37:11This thing about the corporates,
37:13the government is giving them
37:15some incentives. It's not as if
37:17only the corporate has to
37:19bear the brunt of killing the
37:21labor force.
37:23The thing is that, you know,
37:25the government was giving them different things.
37:27The government was giving them
37:29different things.
37:31Please,
37:33listen to what I am saying.
37:35If the government,
37:37the government of some other organization
37:39is giving them different things,
37:41then that is not true.
37:43See, he doesn't have
37:45that is why he is
37:47going on.
37:49We will have a separate discussion
37:51on CSR, sir.
37:53I understand what you are pointing out.
37:55Yes, Rajalakshmi ji, please.
37:57Yes.
37:59So, if the corporate
38:01is training the skill force,
38:03is training the force in the way in which
38:05they will be able to add
38:07or to make a contribution to it or be
38:09a part of the workforce, why not?
38:11Why have a completely
38:13different kind of education first
38:15and then skill them again, have to skill
38:17them again later for some other industry?
38:19That is the problem.
38:21There is a huge gap between the education
38:23and how, what kind of a skill
38:25is required for a particular
38:27corporate work.
38:29So, that is the gap that is
38:31being bridged here right now.
38:33And I think that the government is doing
38:35very well in giving some kind of incentives
38:37to the students,
38:39to the freshers, to the
38:41unemployed and at the same time to the
38:43corporates as well. So, I think that
38:45that should be taken up positively
38:47instead of laughing over it.
38:49All right, Lakshmi ji, thank you so much
38:51for putting up the point.
38:53It would have been good
38:55if the first half of the party
38:57would have taken it.
38:59It would have been good
39:01if the first half of the party
39:03would have taken it.
39:05All right, Mr. Hilal,
39:07it is a very good thing that you are pointing out
39:09that these things have come from your own manifesto.
39:11If that is the case, then see, the BJP
39:13has also picked the good things out of it.
39:15Mr. Balerao is saying something else.
39:17It would have been good
39:19if the first half of the party
39:21would have taken it.
39:23All right, I just feel that
39:25the corporates should not do such a thing
39:27that if deserving interns come,
39:29they should stop hiring them.
39:31It is good for the interns.
39:33And the CSR that you are talking about,
39:35and I understand that the CSR
39:37that you are talking about,
39:39how the money gets circulated
39:41and comes to them sometimes,
39:43this is obvious.
39:45Mr. Hilal, I really appreciate your time.
39:47Thank you.
39:49It was good to think and understand
39:51how both the parties
39:53keep a check on each other
39:55for a healthy
39:57and thriving democracy.
39:59I think nothing can be better than this.
40:01Thank you very much for talking to us.
40:03Thank you.