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00:00Shahid Haqan Abbasi is saying that the bidding process should be fair.
00:04I was listening to his answer.
00:06He was talking at some place.
00:07Mr. Vaiz Lagari, the current minister of electricity,
00:10he is saying that there is a lot of propaganda on social media.
00:14They are doing all this for cheap publicity.
00:17But what Mr. Naqvi has said, Mr. Gohar Ejaz,
00:21the total 80% of IPPs have 52% government ownership,
00:30and the remaining 28% are Pakistani citizens.
00:34So 80% are Pakistani citizens.
00:37Government of Pakistan and private Pakistani citizens.
00:41So if you want to bid,
00:44talk to these people.
00:46Review all the contacts you have made with them.
00:50And Khudara, the capacity payment,
00:53I was watching a tweet by Khawaja Asif,
00:55they are accepting that the capacity payment charges are Rs. 35 per unit.
01:02And it is very important that we have to renegotiate.
01:06And we should do it.
01:07So who is going to do it?
01:09Let's make another narrative that
01:13I don't know who is behind this,
01:15third, fourth, fifth, put it on someone.
01:17That everything is happening because of them.
01:19The government has been around for two years.
01:21The Prime Minister of PDM was also here.
01:23He is still the Prime Minister.
01:24So who is going to do this?
01:26First of all, tell me,
01:27you said in your question that we should make a narrative
01:29and put it on someone.
01:31What do you mean by this so that I can answer?
01:33Sir, the narrative is being made that
01:36these are sovereign guarantees.
01:38No, what other narratives are you relating to
01:40that it should be put on someone?
01:42Sir, I am telling you the narrative.
01:44Look, I am telling you this.
01:46For example, what is the other one?
01:48The other one is that all the problems in Pakistan,
01:50all the problems that are happening in Pakistan,
01:52our internal affairs,
01:54we say that it is not our fault.
01:56Someone else has done it.
01:57For example, let me tell you.
01:59Some people say that this CPEC is not a good project.
02:03We have done all the projects ourselves.
02:05This investment, whatever it is,
02:07all these IPPs,
02:09all the agreements that we have made ourselves,
02:12we also have them.
02:14So who is going to do it?
02:15We have to do it in our country.
02:17Khawar bhai, you have said a very powerful thing.
02:19Before this, we were doing a story
02:21about Operation Azam-e-Istaqam.
02:23So basically, your answer
02:25clarifies the need for Operation Azam-e-Istaqam.
02:29How important is it that such an operation
02:31should take place in this country
02:33where such mafias,
02:34whether they are IPP-related mafias,
02:36whether you have talked about CPEC
02:38and about Zahir-e-Tashar,
02:40all those mafias should be eliminated.
02:42So your answer is very good.
02:44First of all, Operation Azam-e-Istaqam
02:46requires a lot of effort.
02:48Secondly, we have been raising the issue
02:50of capacity payment for a long time.
02:52And it is very important to end it.
02:56It is a white-collar crime.
02:58It is being done by those people
03:00who are claiming that
03:02we are making this country.
03:04Whether they are businessmen or politicians.
03:06And this story will look more complete then.
03:09We can do it tomorrow.
03:11We are not going to name these IPPs.
03:13We are going to name their owners.
03:15We are going to name Razaq Daud,
03:17who was a minister in Imran Khan's cabinet
03:19for 4 years.
03:20We are going to name Azam Sawasi,
03:22who was a minister in Imran Khan's cabinet.
03:24We are going to name all those people
03:26who are sitting in the government right now,
03:28who were sitting in the government before
03:30and who are the owners of these IPPs.
03:32And they are taking this money
03:34from Pakistan's treasury to their homes.
03:36Yes.
03:37Okay, you have all the information.
03:39Tell us a little about all these stories.
03:41We don't have all the information.
03:43That's why I said that tomorrow
03:45we are going to name all these people.
03:47No, no, you have already named a few people.
03:49You must have some idea.
03:51Do you have any idea about
03:53the contacts of these IPPs
03:55during which government?
03:57This happened in 1994,
03:59this happened in 2002,
04:01and this happened in 2015.
04:03Now, the government should know
04:05who is responsible for this.
04:07Okay, that's good.
04:09You have seen that we have repeatedly
04:11talked about this in the program.
04:13Now, you say that there is no one
04:15more experienced than us.
04:17Mr. Ahsan Iqbal, Mr. Khawaja Asif,
04:19and the rest of the old people.
04:21They say that these are new people.
04:23We have been here for 8 days.
04:25They don't even know about politics.
04:27They don't even know about governance.
04:29Now, all these people who are working,
04:31Mr. Gohar Ejaz is talking.
04:33I would like to hear him again.
04:35He is saying that these people
04:37don't even know about governance.
05:07Mr. Naqvi was talking about the narrative.
05:21Now, you have become experienced
05:23in the old media.
05:25He has mentioned two people
05:27that we should bring the names
05:29of the previous PTI ministers.
05:31So, this is not the work of one party.
05:33I have said this.
05:35Mr. Naqvi, people are listening to you.
05:37In 1994, there was a government
05:39of the Pakistan People's Party.
05:41After that, one policy was forgotten.
05:43Mr. Naqvi, in 1998, the government
05:45of PINIA Malan was still present
05:47before the arrival of General Musharraf.
05:49They had also brought a policy
05:51of private IPP.
05:53Then General Musharraf came.
05:55After that, the real work was put
05:57especially from 2013 onwards.
05:59In 2013, the government of PINIA Malan
06:01brought a policy of private IPP.
06:03In 2013, we had to pay
06:05a capacity payment of Rs. 183 billion.
06:07In 2022,
06:09the capacity payment reached
06:11Rs. 2,024 billion.
06:13This difference has also increased.
06:15Mr. Gulam Sain,
06:17how will we get out of
06:19this capacity payment trap?
06:21If you have the money,
06:23please tell us.
06:25No, I don't have the money.
06:27Why don't you tell me?
06:29I am a big man.
06:31I am a big man.
06:33How can I give Rs. 183 billion
06:35to his son?
06:37No, sir,
06:39we can't talk about that.
06:41You go ahead.
06:43You tell us.
06:45We can't talk about that.
06:47If someone is weak,
06:49you are also weak.
06:51IPP is the most cruel.
06:53It is better
06:55if people live in darkness
06:57and don't get electricity.
06:59When I was born,
07:01there was no electricity
07:03in our village.
07:05Still, I am sitting here
07:07in front of you.
07:09What difference does it make?
07:11First of all,
07:13the government institutions
07:15are clean.
07:17You can get the data
07:19of thousands of people.
07:21Third, the government
07:23is greedy.
07:25They want this and that.
07:27Fourth,
07:29looting is difficult.
07:31A project is given
07:33to an MNA
07:35for Rs. 50 crores
07:37to an MPA for Rs. 100 crores.
07:39They lose half of it on the first day.
07:41Where are we now?
07:43For God's sake,
07:45come to the point.
07:47You have declared looting
07:49as a legitimate act.
07:51This is not
07:53a good way.
07:55I have said this before.
07:57I am coming.
07:59Listen to me.
08:01PTI, Bani, PTI.
08:03Listen to me.
08:05Okay.
08:07Will you complete your point?
08:09No, I have not completed
08:11my point.
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