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Video Information:
3rd August 2020, Open Session, Greater Noida, Uttar Pradesh

Context:
Why does one think spirituality is illogical?
What exactly is is spirituality?
What is superstition?
What are the characteristics of a real spiritual person?
How to recognize a fake spiritual guru?
Do science and spirituality go hand-in-hand?

Music Credits: Milind Date
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Learning
Transcript
00:00Say, Sir, you are a very logical person.
00:09Why do you present yourself as a spiritual person?
00:14Should I answer the question or the assumption?
00:18Where do you pick such jewels from, Gaurav?
00:29Your assumption is that spirituality or religion is anti-logic or illogical.
00:41From where are you getting it?
00:44I am not blaming you for asking this question.
00:48I am just alarmed.
00:51There is some source in your life from where you get a clear idea that spirituality and
01:01logic do not go together.
01:07Spirituality is the very zenith of logic, Gaurav.
01:14Spirituality and logic go hand in hand.
01:19It is just that spirituality is so deeply logical that a point comes when logic cannot
01:25keep up with it.
01:28So spirituality and logic go hand in hand and at some point logic gets tired and falls
01:33down and spirituality still keeps going.
01:38Then you say that spirituality has surpassed logic or transcended logic.
01:43But in surpassing logic, spirituality never becomes illogical or anti-logical.
01:50There is nothing in spirituality that will be against logic.
01:55It can be beyond logic, alright, but never against logic.
02:01Now from where are you getting these ideas?
02:05Probably you are influenced by people who talk of spirituality or mysticism in the most
02:20illogical ways or they present illogical assertions, arguments or conclusions in the name of spirituality.
02:33Sometimes we say there is a lot of pseudoscience being floated in the name of spirituality.
02:41You know that is not even pseudoscience.
02:44To call it pseudoscience is an affront to science.
02:48It is out and out, 100% pure superstition.
02:54But the problem is when you have powerful forces that are selling pseudoscience rather
03:02superstition as spirituality, then the common man gets a very strong and clear message that
03:11spirituality means some nonsensical mumbo-jumbo and therefore the relation between spirituality
03:19and logic gets badly snapped.
03:23In front of you is someone who has been accepted by you as a spiritual figure whereas he does
03:30not deserve to be called spiritual in any sense.
03:35Now this fellow is saying I will raise the dead, this fellow is talking of all kinds
03:39of things occult or you are reading a book that mentions that one fellow is here and
03:45the next moment he is in London or he is in London and Calcutta simultaneously and this
03:55has been touted as great spiritual literature.
03:59So obviously you get the impression that spirituality is not only anti-logic but also
04:06against the laws of science.
04:10Somebody is saying you know water has memory.
04:15Somebody is saying that using Rudraksha you can figure out whether food is contaminated
04:20or not.
04:21Things will start happening and you do not question these things.
04:25You do not ever apply your intelligence to these things.
04:29You don't even ask a counter question.
04:34You can be pardoned because usually when all such nonsense is being propagated counter
04:39questions are not even allowed.
04:43Lab experiments are not even allowed because the moment an experiment is conducted in an
04:48honest environment in a laboratory, the truth will be out.
04:52The godman will be exposed.
04:55So why will he ever allow any kind of experiment to take place?
05:02So much about the godman.
05:07I don't want to talk about such godman too much.
05:09I want to talk about you.
05:11Why did you first of all accept their nonsensical talk as spirituality?
05:19You see the clear happening.
05:22Because you accepted that what they are talking is spirituality, therefore now you feel that
05:29spirituality has to be devoid of logic.
05:35This is how your mind is functioning.
05:39First of all, you take some fellow as spiritual and why have you accepted that fellow or a
05:44number of such fellows as spiritual?
05:48Those fellows might be alive or dead.
05:51Those fellows might just be author of a particular book.
05:54That fellow might be a very very big historical name belonging to the last century.
05:59It doesn't matter who that person is, alive or dead, author or wizard, godman or conman.
06:13It doesn't matter.
06:16But you have allowed some person to occupy a position that he does not deserve.
06:24And you are saying this fellow is spiritual.
06:25So that is your spirituality now.
06:28Because you have clearly mapped the word spiritual with that kind of a person.
06:35Now what does that person do?
06:36That person talks rubbish of the hyperlative order.
06:47But that person is spiritual without a doubt in your eyes.
06:53So all that rubbish again becomes spiritual.
06:57You see that person has been accepted by you as.
07:01So his rubbish takes the name of spirituality.
07:06So now that is spirituality in your eyes, rubbish, illogical, unscientific, mindless,
07:14cunning rubbish.
07:17That is your spirituality.
07:19So when you come across somebody like me, who is not talking illogical stuff, then you
07:26are surprised.
07:27Then you say, how is it possible that you are in the domain of religion and spirituality?
07:37And it really saddens me that religion and spirituality have become dirty words now.
07:45Religion and spirituality have become words not at all associated with logic anymore.
07:51It really saddens me.
07:54Are you getting it?
07:59If you are really illogical, you will turn spiritual.
08:03You have no, you have no option.
08:08Spirituality is the natural destiny of logic.
08:17All logic concerns things outside of you.
08:22Ultimately, if logic is honest, it will have to turn towards the logician.
08:30Logic will need to ask who is the one applying the logic, who is the one coming up with the
08:37arguments because the arguments cannot be understood without understanding the arguer.
08:44A point comes when you clearly see that.
08:48When you see that, then you realize that logic has reached its highest flowering, its utmost
08:56potential.
08:58That's the utmost potential of logic.
08:59It will bring you to spirituality.
09:02And spirituality is not a cult.
09:04Spirituality is not at all, all this that you are seeing all around you.
09:09Spirituality is not this godman business.
09:12Spirituality is not this jadutona and all kinds of foolish stuff.
09:19And remember that a really spiritual man can never, never contradict science.
09:28Very spiritual men actually went along very nicely with scientists.
09:35They never had a bone to pick against scientists.
09:43You look at Krishnamurthy's conversations with David Bohm, for example.
09:50Are you getting it?

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