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Shahid Khaqan Abbasi reacts to Ata Tarar's statement regarding Awan Pakistan Party
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00:00In the name of God, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, I am Anika Nisar, viewers.
00:16Today, a new group has been born on the political horizon of Pakistan.
00:22A group about which a lot of news was spreading.
00:26Many times, this question was asked by their convener, Shahid Khan Abbasi.
00:32In my own program, he said that in July, the announcement of this group will be made.
00:39And today, the announcement was made.
00:40But the announcement was not just an announcement.
00:42In fact, a lot of things were said.
00:44The abrogation of the constitution, form 45-47 was also part of this conversation.
00:49Listen, what did Shahid Khan Abbasi say?
00:52The people of Pakistan are a non-traditional community.
00:55The communities that are formed here are made for a specific purpose.
00:58Ten electables are sitting here, ten electables are sitting here.
01:01They say that the community has been formed.
01:02I am the president, he is the general secretary, the community has been formed.
01:04People talk about electables.
01:06Electables are part of politics.
01:08But not all electables are acceptable.
01:10I said earlier that this is not a journey of waiting.
01:12This is not a journey of waiting at all costs.
01:14The political community certainly tries to achieve power.
01:18But there is a gap in the constitution.
01:19Form 47 does not make a country.
01:22Along with this, Miftah Ismail has clearly said that this community has been formed.
01:27The system of Pakistan will have to be changed.
01:29This community is basically against this system.
01:32Instead of considering the other communities as competition,
01:35it is extremely important to change this system and make friends with the people.
01:40What did Miftah Ismail say?
01:41Listen.
01:42The new party has been formed because we really think that the system of Pakistan will have to be changed.
01:47The system will have to be changed.
01:48The system will have to be changed.
01:49Today, 10 crore Pakistanis live below the poverty line.
01:52This system has become a predatory system.
01:55In English, it is called the predatory state of Pakistan.
01:57The budget that has come in this country today,
01:59it is a better reflection of the preferences of its rulers.
02:03In which you have doubled the taxes of the people who have a job.
02:07So this is not acceptable in Pakistan.
02:09Is this government running an East India Company?
02:11This party has two rules.
02:12Every term will be limited.
02:14No one will remain more than two terms.
02:16After that, neither his son, nor his daughter, nor his son-in-law will come.
02:19Someone else will come.
02:21Now, there are 17 founding members in Pakistan.
02:25In which, obviously, Khaqan Abbas, Miftah Ismail are present.
02:28But along with that, the former CM of KPK, Sardar Mehtab Abbasi is also present.
02:34In addition to this, Senator Javed Abbasi, who is the former leader of PMLN, is also present.
02:38Zaeem Qadri will be remembered.
02:39He was very active in Punjab.
02:40He was also the transport minister at one point in time.
02:42He is also present.
02:44Not just that, Rana Zahid Tauseef is also present.
02:47He was the Minister of Health during the time of PTI.
02:50Dr. Zafar Mirza is also a part of it.
02:53Not just that, Diwan Sachal was also a member of PTI.
02:57He is also a part of it.
02:58And so on and so forth.
02:59There are many names that you will see.
03:01But the current politics is not visible in this party.
03:04One name that I was expecting, that of Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, is not there yet.
03:08Anyway, the parties of Pakistan, which Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi said were made for a purpose,
03:13there is a stain on every political party.
03:15Is it PMLN, which was formed in 1993?
03:19People's Party, which was formed in 1967?
03:24Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, which was formed in 1996?
03:27The oldest party, Jamaat-e-Islami, which was formed before the formation of Pakistan,
03:32including MQM, was accused of being made for a purpose.
03:40The current party, which was formed in 2013, was formed in June and July.
03:48And it was said that it was made for a specific purpose.
03:52Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi is present with us.
03:54Now I will introduce you as the former Prime Minister,
03:58but also the Convener of the People's Party of Pakistan.
04:01Congratulations, Mr. Abbasi.
04:03Thank you.
04:04How does it feel that finally, the people of Pakistan, who were waiting for you,
04:09were not sure when you would make an announcement,
04:11whether you would be able to make it or not,
04:13people will not meet you,
04:14even Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar is not with you.
04:16How are you feeling now?
04:18No, this is my first step.
04:21And it is always difficult to take the first step.
04:23Many people are with me.
04:25Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar is with us in our thoughts,
04:27but he has some issues of his own.
04:29He wanted to give his opinion.
04:31I said, okay, take your time.
04:33Do you want to give your opinion to PTI?
04:35No, no, PTI. I don't think so.
04:37Because there are some rumours going around
04:39that Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar is in love with PTI.
04:41No, look, their politics is their own decision,
04:43but I don't think so.
04:44They agree with the thoughts of the people of Pakistan.
04:50And in this, where we have reached,
04:53they have made a very big contribution.
04:56In the beginning, there was a platform called Re-Managing Pakistan.
05:01He was a big part of it.
05:03I think he and Mr. Mustafa were in the spirit of it.
05:06So, anyway, I hope that he will join us in the future.
05:10Okay, there was a rumour going around about another person
05:12that he would also come to the people of Pakistan.
05:14That was Mr. Zubair Umar.
05:15Did you contact him or did he contact you?
05:17Did you talk to him? Why wasn't he there?
05:19No, Mr. Zubair Umar has recently left PMLN.
05:23Actually, we did not contact anyone.
05:25Okay.
05:26The people themselves contacted us
05:28that they want to join us in this journey.
05:30Mr. Sardar Mehtab, on the very first day,
05:32in the very beginning,
05:33he said that this community is very important.
05:36You should start it.
05:37God willing, I will be with you.
05:38Similarly, there are other people as well.
05:40Now we will go.
05:42We have put our thoughts in front of the people of the country.
05:46We will go, we will talk, we will invite them.
05:49The people whom we want to invite.
05:51Who all will you invite?
05:52There are 17 founding members.
05:54After that, many people have joined you.
05:56Look, out of these 17,
05:57more than half are not political parties.
05:59They have a position in their department.
06:01They have an expertise.
06:02But they have never done politics.
06:04They have never fought an election.
06:05The people who have fought an election,
06:07the names you have taken,
06:08apart from that, there is Sheikh Salahuddin.
06:10Absolutely.
06:11From Karachi.
06:12He is a part of it.
06:13He is related to MQM.
06:14Yes, he has been to MQM twice.
06:16He has a very good name.
06:18He is a very good personality.
06:20So, we will go.
06:21The people whom we think are in line with our thoughts.
06:24Mr. Zubair Umar will be one of them.
06:25Will you go to him?
06:26We will talk to Mr. Zubair.
06:27I don't know what politics he is thinking.
06:29So, we will talk to everyone.
06:31The people whom we think are in line with this standard.
06:33Two, we have to understand the requirements in this.
06:37Or understand the qualifications.
06:39One is that there should be skills.
06:41That you can contribute.
06:43That you can give something to the country.
06:44And second, that your fame should be good.
06:49Right.
06:50Corruption, corruption.
06:51Yes, there are political people.
06:53And it is often seen that about whom...
06:55You have already omitted half of the politicians.
06:57No, not half.
06:58No, no, I am saying this.
07:00Corruption is more than me.
07:02I have been in the court for 18 months, a year.
07:06Many people whose fame is something else.
07:10But the reality is something else.
07:12So, fortunately we know everyone.
07:14So, we want those people to come.
07:16Who can be a mediator in this journey.
07:20What?
07:21Who can also be a mediator.
07:22No, there is no need for a mediator.
07:24There is no need for a mediator.
07:25Okay.
07:26You can live without a mediator.
07:27Okay, but Mr. Zubair, you have said one thing.
07:29That a lot of Jamaats have been formed in Pakistan.
07:32And it was formed before these elections.
07:34It was formed before the 2018 elections.
07:36But they have a purpose.
07:39Now, who will agree?
07:40That Shahid Khan Abbasi's Jamaat has no purpose.
07:43There is no backing.
07:45It is not at the behest of anyone.
07:47My 35 years of politics is in front of you.
07:50Those who know me, I think they know that this Jamaat is not an establishment Jamaat.
07:56This is a stamp that you have put.
07:58That this is not an establishment Jamaat in any way.
08:01No, it cannot be.
08:02See, corruption arises from here.
08:04When the establishment starts forming political Jamaats.
08:07They use them in elections.
08:09All this has happened in front of you.
08:10I do not want to take anyone's name.
08:12There is a long list of these Jamaats.
08:14In fact, the last Jamaat that came from the grassroots, I think it was PTI.
08:20Did it come from the grassroots?
08:21Yes, when it was formed in the early 1990s.
08:24In the early 1990s.
08:25In the early 1990s.
08:26But after that, when it came to power, it did not come from the grassroots.
08:29Which route is it then?
08:30What?
08:31Which route is it?
08:32The same as the normal route in Pakistan.
08:34Gate no. 4.
08:35Gate no. 4, whoever understands it.
08:37But that route, neither did they understand it, nor did the country understand it.
08:41Okay.
08:42Abbas Sahib, now this Jamaat has been formed.
08:45But the purpose of every Jamaat is to reach power and come to power and change things.
08:51In power, based on principles.
08:52Based on principles.
08:53Yes.
08:54I agree with that.
08:55Coming to power is not such a difficult task in Pakistan.
08:57But you know that the difficult path that does not happen, it passes through the establishment.
09:01Yes.
09:02So how are you aiming that you will come to power, but without that route,
09:06without that backing?
09:07Yes.
09:08The people.
09:09Look, only they can fix the affairs of the country.
09:12Only they can give the country a foundation.
09:14Only they can solve the problems of the country.
09:16Which will come from the mandate of the people.
09:18You have done a long experience.
09:20This Jamaat, that Jamaat, this man, that man, could not do anything.
09:25Country.
09:26You give this country a chance once.
09:29Once.
09:30The country will move.
09:32Now believe me.
09:34Once people will make a wrong decision, the second time they will correct it.
09:37The third time it will be fixed permanently.
09:39The ways that we have adopted, irrespective of the constitution,
09:42all kinds of interference in elections, election theft,
09:45the country has always suffered a loss.
09:47You are talking about the preservation of the constitution, right?
09:49That movement is also going on, Tehreek-e-Tahfuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan,
09:53in which Mr. Achakzai is also there, in which he is also trying to call Mr. Maudana,
09:57PTI is also there, Mr. Meghal and everybody.
10:00If you are invited to become a part of Tehreek-e-Tahfuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan,
10:05will the people of Pakistan, as a Jamaat, join it?
10:08No, Mr. Achakzai, if they invite us, we will see what they want to do,
10:13how they want to do it.
10:14We are a new Jamaat, but if they see the purpose,
10:18then we can also join that journey.
10:20There was also PDM, Mr. Achakzai was also a part of PDM.
10:25So, we will see.
10:27I have heard that the coalition that has been formed,
10:32it is not an electoral coalition, it is for a purpose.
10:35We are also saying that the country should be according to the constitution.
10:39So, there is a possibility, there is no way out.
10:41See, if other people also join to achieve their purpose,
10:47with the same intention, with the same thought, then there is a way.
10:50Right.
10:51Mr. Achakzai, one more issue is going on at this time,
10:54because we are talking about joining.
10:56So, PTI has also said in the APC that we will be there.
11:00We will be in Pakistan's affairs,
11:02but we do not support the operation in any way.
11:05Now, if the people of Pakistan are invited to this APC,
11:09then will you participate and give your thoughts?
11:13Yes, of course.
11:14See, this is a country's issue.
11:16The security issue comes here, this is a country's issue.
11:19And on that, you need political consensus and political support.
11:23When you do an operation,
11:27that is, you fight a war within the country,
11:30without the support of the people,
11:32anyway, the war is not possible without the support of the people,
11:35but internally, because you are fighting with your own citizens.
11:39We have fought this war before,
11:42consensus was created at that time, it is still needed.
11:45It will not be easy to fight this war without it.
11:48And we have fought thousands of wars before,
11:53and even today, this will not be an easy war.
11:57But one thing we should definitely see is
12:00what mistakes we have made,
12:02that today, after six or seven years,
12:04we are back where we were in 2014-2015.
12:08This is definitely for you,
12:10because it was a very difficult war,
12:12and maybe we did not realize the intensity of the war,
12:16which the army, the rangers, and the civilian people,
12:20suffered a great loss.
12:25Indeed, indeed.
12:26There were many martyrs,
12:27and normally this ratio is not the same,
12:29the number of martyrs of our officers,
12:31the number of martyrs of civilians.
12:33But Nawaz Sharif has given a statement
12:35that we have to stand against terrorism with the armed forces in any way.
12:40Do you support this?
12:41Yes, the armed forces are a part of the country.
12:43The entire country will have to stand against terrorism.
12:46Otherwise, this is the problem that spreads.
12:49I am saying that in some matters,
12:51you have to separate the politics.
12:53Right.
12:54And today, I am going to the extent that
12:56the extraordinary circumstances of the country today,
12:58all of you will have to separate yourselves from the seats
13:01and sit down and decide the path ahead.
13:03By the way, sir, you were talking about the seats,
13:05so you said in your speech that
13:08you have no disagreement with PMLN,
13:12or you are not against them.
13:14But Atta Tarar, the statement of the Information Minister,
13:17he has said that some old people have taken over power,
13:22the old people of PMLN,
13:24if I can use the word taan, then maybe they have taaned.
13:29What will be your reaction to this?
13:31No, no.
13:32All of them work, it is their job,
13:34there is no such thing.
13:35There is only one person in PMLN who has the right to talk to me.
13:39His name is Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif.
13:42He can say that I am not loyal, so I am not loyal.
13:45He can say that I am a thief, so I am a thief.
13:49He can say that I am not capable, so I am not capable.
13:52Whatever he says, whatever Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif says about me,
13:56I do not accept it.
13:57Apart from that, I do not want anything else.
14:01So, in other words, the Information Minister has no right to talk to you.
14:04He has every right to talk to me.
14:06My President of PMLN is 35 years old.
14:12So, he has every right to criticise me,
14:16he has every right to talk to me.
14:18Is there anything else?
14:20Yes, there is.
14:22Let it be.
14:24No, I just want to know what you are saying.
14:26No, no.
14:27You are saying, let it be.
14:28I do not get involved in conversations.
14:30I know the reality of everything.
14:32No, no.
14:33What do you mean by that?
14:35I am saying, whatever Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif says about me, I do not accept it.
14:38I do not contest it.
14:40You do not contest it?
14:42I do not contest it.
14:43Whatever Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif says about me, I do not accept it.
14:47Apart from that, let it be.
14:50Okay, you do not want to give a statement.
14:52But, one day, you will say this.
14:54No, no.
14:55I do not get involved in conversations.
14:56So, who is the competition of your political party, Abbas?
14:59What?
15:00The competition of your political party.
15:01Political parties thrive on each other in two ways in Pakistan.
15:05Either they call the establishment a bad thing and thrive on it.
15:08Or they call each other a bad thing and give each other certificates of treachery.
15:13What does the people of Pakistan think?
15:15Has this led to a country?
15:16No, it has not.
15:17No, it has not.
15:18Okay, let it be.
15:19There should be some difference.
15:21I have been with a party for 35 years.
15:23Whatever I did or did not do in that party, I am a part of it.
15:28I cannot separate myself from it.
15:30I am grateful to the people who have done me a favor.
15:33But, when PMLN left the politics of giving respect to the vote,
15:39and adopted its own politics,
15:43then I said that I will not be able to fight the elections.
15:46So, I could not express my displeasure.
15:51I am actually surprised that even after today's statement,
15:53you are not giving any such statement against anyone.
15:56Look at those statements.
15:57These people have to do their jobs.
15:59They have to do their jobs.
16:00They keep doing it.
16:01I have no interest in answering them.
16:02I have nothing to do with them.
16:03Fair enough.
16:04Because, I am saying that whoever is the president of that party,
16:07whatever he says about me, I accept it.
16:09Fair enough.
16:10Okay, the biggest challenge,
16:12one of the biggest challenges is the economy.
16:15And, obviously, you are an expert in the economy.
16:18And, Mr. Mufti Ismail has also been a finance minister.
16:21He is also an expert.
16:22Tax has increased.
16:24We have money for luxury houses.
16:26Now, there is a request for houses.
16:30The ex-DG of the state has also made a request to the Supreme Judicial Council
16:34against some judges of the Islambad High Court
16:36for harassment and suppression of plots.
16:39Everywhere, somewhere, somehow or the other,
16:42we are witnessing the creation of houses for the officers.
16:45Somewhere, there are talks about courts.
16:47There is corruption of politicians.
16:49Living in this system,
16:51where everyone is being accused,
16:53how will the people of Pakistan get Pakistan out of this mess?
16:58And, how will the economy reach the people of Pakistan?
17:02Look, first of all,
17:04the economic situation that you are in,
17:06you can only give relief to the people
17:09by putting more burden on them,
17:11by putting less burden on them.
17:13This government has failed in that.
17:16I can tell you even today,
17:18that the taxes that you have imposed on milk,
17:20and other things,
17:22what will you do?
17:24There are other ways.
17:26Reduce your expenses.
17:28I can tell you that.
17:30Why are you increasing the expenses?
17:32Reduce the government.
17:34By imposing taxes on the milk of the people,
17:37you cannot increase the expenses of the government by 25%.
17:41The 2.6 crore children who are out of school in the country,
17:47don't give them a single penny.
17:49And, you start distributing 500 crores in MNAS.
17:53What kind of politics is this?
17:55Today, you have to get out of the political favors,
17:59which we use as political government resources.
18:05Your matters have increased so much.
18:08You have not used a single word about reforms
18:12in the budget speech of any province,
18:15nor in the budget speech of Wafaaq.
18:17You have not kept a single penny.
18:19What is the responsibility of the government
18:23in any social sector?
18:25To provide education,
18:27to provide health,
18:29to provide governance in the country,
18:31to improve the police system.
18:33The federal government says,
18:35we are poor,
18:36this is done by the province.
18:38There are provincial governments as well.
18:40I am not just talking about the federal government.
18:42The federal government is imposing taxes on milk.
18:45The federal government has imposed
18:472.5% tax on everything you buy.
18:49So, they pay taxes on the salary
18:51and then impose taxes on everything else.
18:53Now, you have lost 50% of your salary.
18:55Your salary has gone down to 40%.
18:58From where will you pay taxes?
19:00Look at the prices of electricity,
19:02look at the prices of gas.
19:04Why don't you reduce your expenses?
19:07You have spent 500 crores on development.
19:11Now, you have invested 1300 crores.
19:14For what purpose?
19:16Delay the projects.
19:18Don't add to the burden on the people of the country.
19:21Yesterday, someone,
19:22this is a joke,
19:23because we also heard that
19:25they will turn Pakistan into Paris.
19:27Almost every political leader has said this.
19:30So, they said,
19:31now Pakistan has become Paris.
19:33Because milk is cheaper in Paris
19:35and more expensive in Pakistan.
19:36It is the most expensive in Pakistan.
19:37It is more expensive than New York.
19:38This is our joke.
19:39Okay, tell me,
19:40what will you make of Pakistan?
19:41Will you make Paris?
19:42Will you make London?
19:43Will you make London?
19:44Will you make anything?
19:45We will make Pakistan as Pakistan.
19:47We will make Pakistan as Pakistan.
19:50Give respect to the citizens of this country.
19:54Respect their opinion.
19:57When they go to vote,
19:58respect their vote.
20:00Talk to them about solving their problems.
20:02If you can't solve the problem,
20:03at least talk to them.
20:05If you have a government,
20:06hypothetical question,
20:07if you have a government,
20:08what will be the size of your cabinet?
20:10How many members will be there?
20:11How many ministers will be there?
20:12How many SAPMs will be there?
20:13How many advisors will be there?
20:14If you get a government today,
20:16or the elections come soon,
20:17then maybe the people of Pakistan
20:19will come forward.
20:22First day itself,
20:23half of the government will be finished.
20:28Will the government run without it?
20:29Of course it will run.
20:30It is still running.
20:31How many ministries are needed
20:32to run the government?
20:34First,
20:35there will be around 50 divisions.
20:37When the interim government came,
20:40two divisions were added.
20:42The world is reducing the size of the government,
20:46and we are increasing the size of loyalty.
20:48You have devolved your responsibilities.
20:52You have kept those ministries.
20:54Whatever work you have to do,
20:56do it with efficiency.
20:58I tell you with confidence,
21:00until you don't do this,
21:01don't change this system,
21:03don't change the governance system,
21:05don't change the bureaucracy system,
21:07your country will not run.
21:09It makes sense.
21:10There was a PTI meeting today.
21:12NOC was not found.
21:15They also cancelled the meeting.
21:18Was it right?
21:20It was right.
21:21Political parties don't do this.
21:23Political parties do the NOC meeting.
21:25They should have done it.
21:26What?
21:27They should have done it.
21:28This is their decision.
21:29I am saying this.
21:30In the past also,
21:31the political parties and the administration
21:33have always been in conflict.
21:35This is nothing new.
21:37If they had done the NOC meeting,
21:38what would have happened?
21:39They would have cancelled it.
21:41Are you saying that the PTI administration
21:42is afraid of the NOC meeting?
21:43No, I don't know.
21:44I am just saying that
21:45in general,
21:46political parties do not cancel their meetings.
21:50They do it.
21:51They do it a lot.
21:52They cancel it.
21:53But there has been a statement
21:55from Asad Qaiser
21:57that Bani has said it,
21:59so we have cancelled it.
22:01At this time,
22:02is Mr. Imran Khan getting a little mild?
22:04He said that the climate is changing.
22:06I don't know what mildness means.
22:08See,
22:09holding a meeting is a democratic right.
22:12If you are within the jurisdiction of the law,
22:15it is a democratic right.
22:16Fair enough.
22:17In fact,
22:18the NOC meeting should not be needed for this.
22:20Right.
22:21Mr. Shahid Khan Abbas,
22:22thank you very much for joining me in the program.
22:23We will go to the reference of this.
22:25And since we are talking about the people of Pakistan,
22:27let us ask some of the members who have not joined us,
22:29and whose expectations are the same.
22:31Mr. Zubair Oman will be with us after the break.
22:33See you after the break.
22:36Welcome back after the break.
23:06Pakistan was announced,
23:07but you did not have a name or sign in it.
23:10Some people were expecting that
23:12you might become a part of this new Jamaat.
23:14It will be a fresh start.
23:16There will be no dark spots with this Jamaat.
23:19There will be no past.
23:20That is why you will also be a part of it.
23:22But you were not there.
23:23Why?
23:25This is true.
23:27Most people,
23:28obviously,
23:29because Shahid Khan Abbasi,
23:30Mufti Ismail,
23:31were launching it.
23:33Mehtab Abbasi was also there.
23:35They are all former leaders of PMLN.
23:37They have been great leaders of PMLN.
23:41When I left PMLN,
23:43a lot of people,
23:45since that day,
23:46were expecting from me,
23:48were expecting me to join
23:50Mufti Ismail and Shahid Khan Abbasi.
23:53First of all,
23:54my relationship with Shahid Khan Abbasi
23:57and Mufti Ismail is very good.
23:59It has always been good.
24:01Shahid Khan Abbasi is an outstanding person.
24:04When he was in the government,
24:06he worked very well.
24:09I think he is known as a very good politician in Pakistan.
24:16But the party and its policy
24:20is not just based on the fact
24:22that you are opposing PMLN
24:24or opposing today's policies.
24:27It has a much larger context.
24:30That also includes
24:34the responsibilities of Pakistan's constitution.
24:40What is your view on that?
24:42Because that is one of the bones of contention in Pakistan.
24:46This is a very important topic.
24:49Your point of view,
24:50because Shahid Khan Abbasi and Mufti Ismail
24:52had a very clear point of view today
24:54that everyone will have to live within the limits of the constitution,
24:56whether it is an institution,
24:57a personality,
24:58a community,
24:59everyone will have to live within their own limits.
25:01What is your point of view?
25:02Is there anything different from this?
25:03Because there is another commonality between you and them.
25:05You understand the economy.
25:06They both understand the economy.
25:08It is very important to say this.
25:12Any political party,
25:14but if you call someone from PMLN today,
25:17he will also say that everyone should live within their own limits.
25:20I think Prime Minister Shibaz Sharif will also say
25:22that everyone should live within their own limits.
25:24So when you ask him this counter question
25:26from the PMLN leader,
25:28that is there today,
25:30then he will go there and have a different opinion.
25:34What are the challenges of Pakistan at the moment?
25:38And we need to work together on that.
25:42What I mean to say is that
25:44I am not just talking about this,
25:46I was talking about foreign policy.
25:48I am a very big proponent
25:50and I understand that the economy of Pakistan,
25:52which is in such a bad state,
25:54a big factor in that is our very ineffective foreign policy.
25:59Mr. Zubair, we are talking about foreign policy.
26:01We are talking about foreign policy.
26:03But from what you have said,
26:05I have seen a glimpse or an image
26:10that perhaps you understand that
26:12Shahid Khan Abbasi and Mifta Ismail are saying
26:15that everyone should live within their own limits,
26:17but they are not willing to.
26:19Is that true?
26:21No, they are willing.
26:23As far as I know them,
26:25Then it is up to you, Mr. Zubair.
26:27Yes, but look,
26:29we have the biggest challenge,
26:33which Shahid Khan Abbasi has mentioned,
26:35that right now,
26:37Form 47 people are sitting in the assembly,
26:39by and large.
26:41So how are Form 47 people sitting?
26:43Why are they sitting?
26:45Do they need to be pushed?
26:47Do they need to be shaken?
26:49Should Pakistan continue like this?
26:51Let me give you an example.
26:55In the case of PTI and Shahid Khan Abbasi,
26:59you will see a completely different point of view.
27:03The PTI people are blaming
27:05that in this election,
27:07the institutions,
27:09including the judiciary,
27:11including the senior judiciary,
27:13have also played a role.
27:15For example,
27:17they have taken away the signature of the President.
27:21There are many other petitions,
27:23the way decisions are being made today.
27:25So I think
27:27it is very important to remember
27:29Maulvi Tamizuddin's case.
27:31But what is happening today,
27:33he also needs to be remembered.
27:35He also needs to be reformed.
27:37How will we take the country forward like this?
27:39That is,
27:41and I agree with many of their things,
27:43the passion,
27:45but what is the but?
27:47Everyone will say that this should not happen.
27:49Everyone will say that.
27:51But the ifs and buts,
27:53everyone has understood.
27:55The ifs and buts that I have understood
27:57is that
27:59Chamak is somewhere else.
28:01I mean, should Chamak listen to you?
28:03No, let me explain to you.
28:05I will say it openly.
28:07Look,
28:09when an anti-establishment narrative
28:11has been going on for a long time in Pakistan,
28:13it has been going on for a long time.
28:15When Fatima Jinnah was also there,
28:17she was also fighting the election
28:19on the anti-establishment narrative
28:21against Ayub Khan.
28:23And she was also appointed
28:25possibly because of this.
28:27Nawaz Sharif was the champion
28:29of anti-establishment.
28:31And let me explain this,
28:33anti-establishment does not mean,
28:35nor did Nawaz Sharif ever
28:37say that he is against the army,
28:39only against the role of the army in politics.
28:41He has left the narrative,
28:43he has left the pianos,
28:45he has betrayed the vote.
28:47And he has not won the election
28:49as a pro-establishment party.
28:51He has come to power.
28:53He has come through form 47.
28:55PTI today
28:57has the ownership
28:59or copyrights of anti-establishment.
29:01And because of this,
29:03he has got approval.
29:05Now, to what extent he should have gone,
29:07that is another thing.
29:09But as a basis
29:11of Pakistan's governance system,
29:13it is absolutely required
29:15that the parliament in Pakistan
29:17has to be supreme.
29:19It should be civilian.
29:23Understandable.
29:25Is that what I should take out of this conversation?
29:55All these people
29:57came to support
29:59the People's Party
30:01not because they were
30:03supporters of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
30:05but because they had a choice
30:07between People's Party, Bhutto
30:09and Zia-ul-Haq.
30:11With Zia-ul-Haq, they knew
30:13that Pakistan's democracy would be
30:15so damaged, whatever happened.
30:17Today, not a single person in Pakistan
30:19supports Zia-ul-Haq
30:21or supports his policies.
30:23We have seen the march
30:25of the PM Modi
30:2711 years later.
30:29We can easily
30:31condemn him later.
30:33If a party
30:35is at the receiving end,
30:37if its people,
30:39especially Anika,
30:41because she is a woman,
30:43if she is supported
30:45like Sanam Javed
30:47or Alia Hamza,
30:49and the demands of justice
30:51are met,
30:53then it will be beneficial.
30:55In my personal opinion,
30:57as a woman,
30:59no one can defend
31:01the case of Iddat.
31:03It is a shame.
31:05Tell me, when are you joining
31:07ITI?
31:09You are stuck
31:11on that.
31:13I haven't got the answer yet.
31:15By the way,
31:17I have seen
31:19I have to do politics.
31:21Which party
31:23platform
31:25do I have to use?
31:27But the chances are with PTI.
31:29Is that correct?
31:31I think
31:33you should take the program
31:35with you.
31:37You don't have to tell me.
31:39I want to know
31:41if there are more thoughts
31:43from the people of Pakistan
31:45and PTI.
31:47Let me make it clear
31:49that I will tell you
31:51about your program first.
31:53If I decide to join,
31:55that will also be fine.
31:57You have such a big channel.
31:59This is your commitment.
32:01Mr. Zubair,
32:03there is one more issue.
32:05Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
32:07was supposed to be held today,
32:09but it was postponed.
32:11They also said that
32:13they will not hold it without NOC.
32:15PTI is also
32:17running smoothly.
32:21I think
32:23the present leadership
32:25will come for some criticism on this.
32:27They say that
32:29revolution does not come with NOC.
32:31Someone wrote that
32:33you don't have to go to DC
32:35to get a revolution.
32:37No one will give permission.
32:39Having said that,
32:41you will blame the government
32:43that if there is a democracy
32:45in Pakistan,
32:47if there is a constitution
32:49in Pakistan,
32:51then which law
32:53prohibits you
32:55from holding Jalsas?
32:57I have been to PMLN.
32:59I have held Jalsas
33:01with Maryam Nawaz
33:0390% of the time
33:05in Pakistan,
33:07Azad Kashmir,
33:09and Kilgit Baltistan.
33:11They changed it at the last minute.
33:15It was a PDF Jalsa.
33:19Other than that,
33:21all Jalsas were allowed.
33:23My advice would be
33:25to stop Jalsas.
33:31I have heard
33:33that if we allow
33:35Jalsas,
33:37it will create problems
33:39for the economy.
33:41You can move on
33:43and say that Jalsas
33:45are over.
33:47You cannot say that
33:49after 9th May.
33:51You can't say that
33:53milk is burnt.
33:55You may remember
33:57that during the 2018 elections,
33:59speeches of Maryam Nawaz
34:01and Nawaz Sharif were not allowed.
34:03The channels were shut.
34:05It is wrong
34:07to suppress
34:09someone's voice.
34:11Mohammad Zubair
34:13is different.
34:15Mohammad Zubair used to say
34:17wrong is wrong.
34:19The party
34:21used to say
34:23it was wrong
34:25but now the situation has changed.
34:27This should not happen.
34:29If it was wrong,
34:31how can it be right now?
34:33We are not talking about a party.
34:35We are talking about Pakistan.
34:37We are not talking about an individual.
34:39We should not justify our wrongs.
34:41We should not justify
34:43the wrongs that are happening.
34:45Another issue is
34:47the economy of Pakistan.
34:49The budget season is still going on.
34:51It has been signed.
34:53It has been implemented.
34:55But new things
34:57are emerging.
34:59Electricity tariffs are increasing.
35:01Petroleum prices are increasing.
35:03Every day,
35:051.7 trillion rupees
35:07of debt is increasing.
35:09What is happening?
35:11Taxes are increasing.
35:13In the month of May,
35:151.7 trillion rupees
35:17of debt
35:19has increased.
35:21There is no devaluation.
35:2317,000 billion rupees
35:25of debt has increased.
35:27It comes out to be
35:2958 billion rupees
35:31every single day of the month of May.
35:33Now you tell me,
35:35did you feel that we are very happy?
35:37Or that our 10-10.5 crore people
35:39will get two meals a day
35:41because the government has taken such a huge loan?
35:43Or that the electricity bills
35:45have come down?
35:47Or that people have started
35:49generating employment?
35:51None of that has happened.
35:53In fact, on the contrary,
35:55you must have felt
35:57that people have expressed
35:59that in terms of economy,
36:01in terms of inflation,
36:03in terms of poverty, in terms of electricity bills,
36:05in terms of everything,
36:07it has been one of the worst months.
36:09And you have seen
36:11that the Prime Minister has announced
36:13that the distribution companies
36:15have sent wrong bills,
36:17which he was saying two years ago.
36:19Now he is saying it again.
36:21He says this every six months.
36:23If you add 58 billion on a daily basis,
36:25people will not even know
36:27where that 58 billion has gone.
36:29Yes, I can tell you that
36:31the expenses of the presidency
36:33have increased by about 60%
36:35in this budget.
36:37The Prime Minister's house
36:39has increased by about 55%.
36:41The expenses of the National Assembly
36:43have increased by about 50%.
36:45The expenses of the Senate have increased by about 50%.
36:47Now you tell yourself
36:49that you kill people,
36:51the middle class, the lower middle class,
36:53and you destroy the lower class.
36:55So that there is no option
36:57for them.
36:59To pay the electricity bill,
37:01should they sell their jewellery or what?
37:03But if it is one off,
37:05then let them do something.
37:07But every month you have this.
37:09And what has been announced in July,
37:11and Anika, through your program,
37:13the thing that I have the most objection
37:15is that what has been announced
37:17to increase Rs 7.20 per unit
37:19from July 1,
37:21that did not go to the ECC
37:23for debate.
37:25It did not go to the Cabinet for debate.
37:27There was no discussion.
37:29By circulation.
37:31You are blowing a bomb on the people of Pakistan
37:33and you are taking it to the government
37:35by circulation.
37:37The People's Party is not going to take
37:39responsibility for this.
37:41Which is exactly why it is not in the Cabinet.
37:43Exactly, it is not in the Cabinet.
37:45This is exactly why.
37:47So why is the PMLN digging a grave for itself?
37:49Such a thought
37:51did not take place in the PMLN.
37:53Every party has to increase its politics.
37:55Nawaz Sharif has become agitated.
37:57What is happening?
37:59Look,
38:01Shahid Kaka Nawazi has described it
38:03correctly today.
38:05Now you are not asking me
38:07why I am praising him again and again.
38:09He has said
38:11that when Form 47
38:13would have been sitting in the Assembly
38:15and Form 45 would have been sitting outside,
38:17then you are looking at
38:19decision making.
38:21Because you are not accountable
38:23to the people of Pakistan.
38:25You are accountable to someone else
38:27who has given you Form 47
38:29and removed your notification.
38:31And after that, your tribunal
38:33will not be held.
38:35In fact, yesterday,
38:37the Chief Justice overturned
38:39the Lahore High Court's decision
38:41that the tribunal will be held
38:43at the discretion of the Lahore High Court.
38:45The most ridiculous thing is that
38:47the Election Commission is responsible
38:49for the mass rigging of elections
38:51in the country.
38:53And the Election Commission will decide
38:55whether they are right or wrong.
38:57The independent judges
38:59who will make the Lahore High Court
39:01or other high courts will not decide.
39:03Have you ever seen this?
39:05Will you be able to build up your trust
39:07in this way?
39:09Absolutely no.
39:11Mr. Zubair, thank you very much
39:13for joining me in the program.
39:15We will talk to you later.
39:17Elections are being held elsewhere
39:19apart from Pakistan.
39:21Where are they being held?
39:23What is going on there?
39:25After a break.
39:27Welcome back after the break.
39:29On June 28, elections were held
39:31for the President of Iran.
39:33This was the first round
39:35in which no clear majority
39:37was able to win.
39:39And the voter turnout was 40%.
39:41After which it was announced
39:43that elections for the President
39:45of Iran will be held again on July 5.
39:47And after the elections on July 5,
39:49the majority was won
39:51by Massoud Pazashkian.
39:53Massoud Pazashkian
39:55is a cardiac surgeon
39:57who is a professor
39:59at the Medical University
40:01of Tabriz.
40:03He is a person
40:05who belongs to the medical field.
40:07He will be the President of Iran.
40:09The need for presidential elections
40:11was not there.
40:13On May 19, this year,
40:15President Ibrahim Raisi's
40:17convoy's helicopter crashed
40:19and he passed away.
40:21After that, elections were held
40:23for the President of Iran again.
40:25We can learn from these elections
40:27that no party in our country
40:29had a clear majority.
40:31But there were no run-off elections.
40:33Instead, somehow or the other,
40:35a coalition was formed
40:37and a government was formed.
40:39Will the relations between Pakistan
40:41and Iran improve
40:43after the arrival of
40:45Iranian President Massoud Pazashkian?
40:47Because before his death,
40:49President Raisi visited Pakistan.
40:51The future awaits.
40:53With this, I will take your leave.
40:55Take care of yourself.
40:57Allah Hafiz.