At a House Oversight Committee hearing last week, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) spoke about discrimination in work.
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00:00Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.
00:03Ms. Wiley, I found some of the opening statements quite interesting that we heard
00:09from our witnesses here today, plenty of claims being thrown out there.
00:15One I thought that was particularly interesting was the idea that a company,
00:19a large company, perhaps a company like Disney or any other employer,
00:25aspiring to maybe have about 30% of new hires and
00:31having a goal of 30% of new hires being from diverse backgrounds or people of color.
00:36And the assertion that that kind of goal was anti-white discrimination.
00:41I wanted to break things down in terms of the numbers a little bit.
00:47About what percentage of Americans are white, non-Hispanic white?
00:55I think we're hearing from the census, like 59, 60%, is that right?
01:01That is about right, yes.
01:03Okay, so about 59% of every American, of all Americans, are white.
01:10That would mean about 40% of people are people of color in the US population.
01:16And it seems to be that the argument is that
01:21Seeking to have 30% of your hires be people of color is anti-white discrimination.
01:28Can you shed some light on the logic of that for me, please?
01:33No, because that's not logical.
01:36What I can say is what is factually accurate around the state of our laws.
01:41And that is aspirations are not unconstitutional.
01:46Aspirations are not antithetical or
01:49in any way a violation of Title VII under our court's precedence or
01:55based on the plain language of Title VII.
01:58And in fact, this is exactly what the fear mongering is doing.
02:03We know, for example, that the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission had
02:07a million complaints between 2010 and 2018.
02:13A million complaints, anybody can file one.
02:16A white man who's experiencing discrimination on the job can file one,
02:21and it will be investigated.
02:22That is the job of the EEOC.
02:25What we're hearing and seeing is a large swath of cases that are based on race
02:31that are people of color, that are women of all races.
02:35In fact, the majority of hostile environment harassment cases are
02:39disproportionately women of all races, and black women in particular.
02:44And that's in the statistics that they provide on the website.
02:47I think the question here isn't whether people can file complaints and
02:52charges with the EEOC, it's who is filing them and why.
02:57And the aspirations themselves are consistent with our goals.
03:01Very well said, thank you.
03:02And I find that point so interesting and fascinating because
03:08this discussion around how diversity, equity, and
03:12inclusion policies are discriminatory in the long history of anti-integration
03:19in this country, and reaction and opposition to the Civil Rights Act,
03:22the Fair Housing Act, and more.
03:26I think one of the things that we need to take a look at is the world that
03:30they're fighting for, a world without diversity, equity, and inclusion policies.
03:35Which is to say the default, which is to say workplaces
03:41that are honestly kind of like Congress.
03:46Because the population of the United States, as we mentioned, is about 59% white.
03:52Do you know what percentage of Congress is white?
04:00I don't, but I know that we finally have 60 members of the Congressional Black
04:03Caucus, which is progress.
04:04But even then, 75%, white Americans make up 60%,
04:1059% of the US population, 75% of Congress.
04:16Men are 50% of the population and make about 70% of Congress.
04:25When we see institutions of power, when we see, and
04:29that is reflected in almost any institutional organization of power.
04:32And when we even just try to have the basic acknowledgment that it would be good
04:38to encourage not an unreflective body,
04:45not unreflective workforce, but a workforce that barely even reaches
04:50the proportion of representation of what everyday Americans look like.
04:53That's somehow anti-white discrimination, anti-male discrimination,
04:59anti-straight discrimination, anti-cisgender discrimination.
05:04I mean, come on folks, what are we doing here?
05:08What are we doing here?
05:12And lastly, Ms. Weather, I was wondering if you could also just shed some light
05:15on the economic impact of civil rights legislation.
05:19And if you could draw that link between civil rights protections and
05:24policies and outcomes that help the working class.
05:27Yeah, one of the critical things we have seen as a result of having civil rights
05:31protections and having them enforced is we have seen an increase in participation
05:37and people getting to the middle class of the American country,
05:42particularly people of color, long denied fair and equal opportunities.
05:47And I think it's really important to understand that that has had widespread
05:50societal benefits.
05:53For example, thanks to civil rights laws,
05:56we have seen an increase in the life expectancy of people who are black.
06:02And not only black, other people of color, and that's something we all want.
06:07One of the things that's so important to understand about the Sheets case,
06:09because we keep hearing about this, and it is being misrepresented.
06:14What the Sheets case says isn't you have to hire any old body who's a person of
06:19color, no matter their criminal background.
06:20It's saying you can't use what is colorblind on its face,
06:26but has the practical effect of denying employment if,
06:30if it does not bear a relationship to the job that is going to be done.
06:36You can absolutely say an accountant who has been convicted of absconding with
06:42money, you don't have to hire that person.
06:46The reason that the Sheets case is a lawsuit is because they didn't
06:51have evidence that they needed to do that, and
06:54it was discriminating against qualified black applicants.
06:59Okay, chair now recognizes Mr. Palmer from Alabama.
07:04Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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