" Yeh Konsa Insaf Hai 50 Hazaar Thankhowa Par Tax Le Rahay hain, Miftah Ismail
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00:00So when you say that this budget and this country cannot work together, what does this mean? What is the political meaning of this?
00:05It doesn't have a political meaning. I am talking about the economy of the country. The economy will get worse.
00:10It will get worse. It will come to a standstill. There will be riots. There will be protests.
00:13No, no. Look, I don't have any...
00:15Sir, now you have a political party. You need to give me the political dimension of these things.
00:18Look, I don't want riots in my country at all.
00:20Allah forbid, no one wants it, sir.
00:22I don't want it at all. But I think that if the people of my country are becoming poor,
00:26then the government should first think about what to do to give relief to the poor.
00:31And not to give a show of relief.
00:33We at least... Look, let me tell you...
00:35What were you expecting?
00:36You doubled the tax on the 75,000 employees. This is not a base.
00:40You doubled the tax on the 100,000 employees.
00:43The 500,000 employees used to pay a tax of 91,250 rupees per month.
00:48Now you have increased their tax to 113,750.
00:53So there will be robberies. People will run away. They will get their salaries in cash.
00:56No, no. Exporters will not come with money.
00:58People will take cash money.
01:00May Allah forbid that factories are closed. May Allah forbid that jobs are lost.
01:03But the government should do something.
01:05Look, when you are taking 49% tax from a business individual,
01:08it is taken in Scandinavia.
01:10It is a cradle-to-grave service.
01:13In 30,000 Arabs... Let me give you a couple of examples.
01:15In 30,000 Arabs, you return 500,000 rupees to the BISC. I am very happy about that.
01:20But you spend 29,500 rupees on yourself.
01:24You are saying that you are giving people a title.
01:27In FATA, this is the 6th and 7th year after 5 years.
01:30Who did you give the title to in FATA?
01:32Did you give the title to the ghee factories?
01:34Did you give the title to the steel factories?
01:36They will make it in FATA and sell it all over Pakistan.
01:38Today you will get that steel in Lahore and you will get that ghee in Karachi.
01:40Which is supposedly made from FATA.
01:42And is ghee cheap in FATA? No.
01:45Is Sariya cheap in FATA? No.
01:47You should put a tax on them.
01:49And you should spend this money on FATA?
01:52Absolutely.
01:53You should help the poor people.
01:55But nothing is trickling down to the common man.
01:58Sir, were you expecting more tax on real estate, agriculture and retailers?
02:02To put them on the tax net.
02:04Look, the tax should be taken on agriculture and property.
02:08Absolutely.
02:09When you give so much welfare money to the provinces,
02:11that they are distributing the money,
02:12then they are not putting that tax on you.
02:14There are two ways for that.
02:15You say that you are not taking this tax.
02:17In the last 22-23 years in Pakistan,
02:20we have collected 8 billion rupees in property.
02:22That year, Bombay collected 150 billion rupees.
02:25So you should have taken that tax.
02:268 billion was not a big deal.
02:28You should have collected it.
02:29If the data comes to the FVR,
02:31then we would have seen the property with the income.
02:34Similarly, you should have taken the agriculture tax,
02:35so that the income would have been unified.
02:37You did not do this.
02:39The provinces are not getting any benefit from this.
02:41Why are the provinces not giving you this?
02:43Because they want to save the people
02:45who are sitting in the assembly,
02:46of the province and of Punjab, of Wafaaq.
02:48The big landlords and big people who are sitting there.
02:50Tell me, what kind of justice is there in the world
02:53that you are taking tax on a salary of 2 lakh rupees.
02:56You are taking tax on a salary of 50 thousand rupees.
02:59But if someone has a land of 1000 acres,
03:01and you are not taking tax on that.
03:03Sir, more than this,
03:04most of the people are such that
03:05in these new slabs,
03:07you have your own old colleagues
03:09who are sitting inside IWAN, sir.
03:11If you open their records,
03:12someone has given 1.5 lakh,
03:13someone has given 2 lakh,
03:14someone has given 40 thousand,
03:15someone has given 30 thousand tax.
03:16And I ask you this because
03:17you are one of the bigger tax paying
03:19political personalities of this country.
03:22So,
03:23neither do they do it publicly,
03:25nor do they have their tax returns from the cabinet's approval.
03:27Do you think they should lead by example?
03:29Should they do it publicly?
03:30Should they pay more?
03:31But it is public.
03:32There is nothing on the names.
03:34I am asking you that
03:35people who live in big houses,
03:37and do not pay tax,
03:39I do not understand
03:40how their electricity bill is paid.
03:42That is why Mr. Shahid and I say
03:44that it should not be new,
03:45it should be taken from the income tax.
03:46Your house's electricity bill...
03:48So, this reform is not budget, basically, sir.
03:50This is the problem.
03:51This is typical, more of the old, same.
03:53If you want to take from the sacrificed people,
03:55first of all,
03:56begin with your home.
03:57Secondly,
03:58you should do reforms.
03:59The country has less time left.
04:00I am telling you the truth.
04:01This economy has been brought there.
04:03India is ahead of us.
04:04In 1990,
04:05we were the richest in the 90s.
04:07India is ahead of us.
04:08Bangladesh is ahead of us.
04:09Sri Lanka is ahead of us.
04:10Every human development industry in Nepal
04:12is ahead of us.
04:13And in 2-4 years,
04:14it will be ahead of us.
04:15Maldives is ahead of us.
04:16Apart from Afghanistan,
04:17in this region,
04:18there is no other country
04:19that is behind us.
04:20This is a matter of shame for us.
04:21Number one.
04:22And number two,
04:23this is the time to get up.
04:24For God's sake,
04:25get up from your sleep
04:26and see
04:27that this country is being reformed.
04:29I will ask you the last question, sir.
04:30He says,
04:31we have come to save the state.
04:32We have come to make tough decisions.
04:33Political capital has been wasted.
04:35We are still standing.
04:36We are saving the country.
04:37The IMF has dictated this budget.
04:39If they are doing all this,
04:41popularity is also at an all-time low,
04:43then why don't they make these decisions?
04:46What is the problem?
04:47Is it the problem of their stomach,
04:48their profits,
04:49and the profits of their friends?
04:50I don't understand this.
04:52When Mr. Dar brought me here,
04:54he said that we will not make reforms.
04:56We will not take tough decisions.
04:58So we didn't take tough decisions.
04:59What was the result?
05:00You don't win elections.
05:02If popularity is at an all-time low,
05:04then do it.
05:05Nothing else to lose.
05:06The thing is,
05:07your loyalty should always be to your country
05:10before your political party.
05:12Your loyalty should be with the country
05:14that has given you respect.
05:16If your loyalty is with your country,
05:18then when the country,
05:20politics is a little bit of a problem,
05:22but when the country is in so much danger,
05:24that you have to go to the IMF every year,
05:26you have to beg from the world,
05:28then for God's sake,
05:29tell your agriculturalists to pay tax.
05:31Tell your retailers to pay tax.
05:33If you are in need of tax,
05:35then you are taking it from the salary class.
05:37Don't spend Rs. 30,000.
05:39Don't increase the government's spending by 25%.
05:41What was the need to increase the government's spending by 25%?
05:44You increased the salary of the workers.
05:46Okay.
05:47The inflation was high last year,
05:48so you increased the salary.
05:49The government's spending of more than half
05:51will be increased next year.
05:53You are saying that inflation will be 13.5%.
05:55I am saying that it will be 15%.
05:57You increased it by 24%,
05:58so how did you increase it by 9% in the real term?
06:00Sir, the officers of the Civilians and Armed Forces,
06:03who are either in service or retired,
06:05they have been given an exemption on the sale of property.
06:08What is the logic behind this?
06:10Now you see what kind of thing you are talking about.
06:13You have not even mentioned that
06:15the property is worth Rs. 10 crores or Rs. 20 crores.
06:18So if there is a bureaucrat or a retired general
06:21who will sell a property worth Rs. 20-25 crores,
06:23we will not take withholding tax from him.
06:25But if Meher Bukhari Sahiba is selling her property
06:28worth Rs. 3 crores,
06:29we will take withholding tax from her.
06:31This is not the way to run a country.
06:33And nobody is answerable here.
06:35This is the problem.
06:36I mean, if this country is for the rich,
06:39this has been proven today, sir,
06:41and none of them came to save the state.
06:43This has also been proven.
06:44Are we safe to say that?
06:45Look, the people who save the state,
06:47they don't do this.
06:50Those who have to do the last programme of the IMF,
06:52they are not taking these steps.
06:54And neither is this the last programme.
06:56If they had an understanding of the state of the country's economy,
06:59they would not have taken this step.
07:01But in the end, the biggest thing is that
07:03those who know that there are 10 crore people
07:05under your poverty line,
07:07it is easy to say under the poverty line,
07:09it means that their child does not have money to eat at night.
07:12The hungry child is sleeping.
07:14In a country where 40% of the children are stunted,
07:18that is, mentally and physically weak,
07:21the Prime Minister of that country should not show this preference.
07:24Thank you very much, Mirta Ismail.