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00:00Nabeel Kabul, the leader of Pakistan People's Party, has given a timeline
00:05that Mr. Varun Khan will come out in this timeline. Listen.
00:09We are going through a dangerous situation.
00:12There is only one person who is in jail.
00:15I am sure that Mr. Khan will agree.
00:17He is absolutely agreeing. He wants to come out.
00:19No one trusts him.
00:21It seems that he will come out.
00:24And he will understand. He will understand and come out.
00:26I think it will take six months.
00:29On one hand, it is a matter of six months.
00:31On the other hand, it is a matter of bringing Mr. Imran Khan out.
00:34There is a fierce battle going on between people outside PTI and people inside PTI.
00:40Shibli Faraz vs. Marwat vs. Fawad Chaudhary.
00:44Now there are many more people.
00:46Mr. Fawad Chaudhary has given a lot of criticism to Mr. Rao Fasan and Mr. Hamid Khan.
00:54Listen to what he said.
00:56Mr. Rao Fasan and Mr. Hamid Khan are like rats.
00:59They have started eating from the inside.
01:04Mr. Hamid Khan and Iftikhar Chaudhary won the 2013 elections.
01:09Now they are involved in a conspiracy.
01:11They have harmed Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:14And they are still harming Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:16Until Tariq-e-Insaf does not get rid of them,
01:18a strong opposition cannot play a role.
01:22If there is a complaint, there will be a reply.
01:24Listen to Mr. Hamid Khan's reply.
01:27Mr. Fawad Chaudhary is also criticizing the legal strategy.
01:29He is also saying that those who have leadership, their stature is not that good.
01:32Listening to these things from his mouth is already sad.
01:35How can he say such things?
01:38He left the party in a difficult time and ran away.
01:41Now he is deliberately criticizing the party on someone's signal.
01:46I think he does not have any right.
01:49Who is following whose signals?
01:51We will have to see who is following whose signals.
01:56But it is clear that USA has always tried to follow Pakistan's signals.
02:01Like a puppet, it has also tried to run the political system of Pakistan.
02:05At this time, the resolution that came from the USA regarding the elections in Pakistan,
02:10the parliament of Pakistan passed a resolution against it.
02:14Talks are going on about it.
02:16Pakistan was against it.
02:19One more thing was against Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
02:22It was against the parliamentarians.
02:24We will discuss all the topics.
02:26I will introduce the guests who are with me.
02:28At this time, in Islamabad Studios, Senior Director of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
02:31Senator General Retired Abdul Qayyum is present.
02:34Thank you very much for joining us.
02:35Pleasure having you in the program.
02:36Zain Qureshi is present with us.
02:38Director of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
02:40Thank you very much for joining us.
02:41Amir Zia is present with us.
02:43Senior Analyst.
02:44Thank you very much Amir sahab for joining us.
02:46Let's start with you.
02:48All of you are talking about the resolution.
02:50All of you are talking about it.
02:51And the resolution is probably due to the government's mishandling.
02:56You have made it controversial yourself.
02:57You said operation.
02:58They are saying that the operation will not happen in any way.
03:01Mr. Mohan Hanna, who was trying to straighten out the matter in Afghanistan,
03:05he says that it will be against the relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan
03:09if such a thing is done.
03:11So, it is a must to onboard the stakeholders of KPK.
03:15The government has mishandled it, Mr. Hanna.
03:17Thank you very much.
03:18Look, it is far-fetched.
03:20The explanation given by the different political people.
03:23Azam means firm will.
03:26To strengthen the stability of Pakistan.
03:29This is a vision.
03:31And to complete this vision, when you operationalize it,
03:36there is one element of terrorism in it.
03:38Then there is your economy.
03:40Then there is your political stability within the country, which you have to do.
03:44Then you have to protect yourself on the diplomatic front.
03:47So, if the government has said that the operation will happen,
03:51it means that...
03:52If it has not been said.
03:53It has been said.
03:54No, it has been said.
03:55Okay, it has been said.
03:56So, it does not mean that the operation will happen.
03:58But who does not know that today there is no no-go area in Pakistan
04:03in which there is an operation.
04:04When you did it,
04:05North Waziristan, South Waziristan, the tribal belt was not under your control.
04:10Rockets were fired from there.
04:13There was no soldier of the army.
04:15So, when they went inside, there was a displacement.
04:18And that was a big blow.
04:20Right.
04:21Now, by the grace of God,
04:22See, at that time, there was no-go area in Karachi.
04:24There were prisons.
04:25I myself was an M.S. to the Prime Minister at that time.
04:28And I went and saw.
04:29The hanging people, the drilling in the bones and all that.
04:33So, even today, if some sleepers are caught in Lahore or Karachi or Sheikhupura,
04:39then it is not that it can be said that no, now we are in operation,
04:42because the opposition is saying that this operation will not happen.
04:45This will continue.
04:46Whatever is happening against them.
04:48But this does not mean that a large-scale army is being pulled.
04:53We just have to take the country forward with a determined intention.
04:58So, our concern is definitely terrorism.
05:00Because it has escalated since we have talked about operationalizing CPEC.
05:06So, they target the Chinese.
05:08What scheme are you talking about?
05:09What scheme are you talking about?
05:11Sir, this is a greater game against China.
05:13It is a greater game.
05:14So, you are saying that the USA is involved in this?
05:16See, India is involved in this.
05:18The USA has said that this is your red line, CPEC.
05:22You see, India has never agreed to this.
05:25And these chosen engineers who are working on the Chinese Dassault Dam,
05:30if they catch them, kill them or do anything, then there is a plan.
05:35This is not our internal issue.
05:36This is important.
05:37And lastly, if you want to kill a terrorist, you need kinetic energy.
05:43If you catch a terrorist,
05:44but if you want to clear terrorism as a whole in Pakistan,
05:48then you need the judiciary, the media, the politicians,
05:52all parties together to make a strategy,
05:56a plan, and when you implement that plan,
06:00then that is your operation.
06:03Okay.
06:04Mr. Zain, since you have talked about the greater game,
06:08on one hand, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Ansar is against the operation.
06:13On the other hand, the USA is passing a resolution on Pakistan.
06:17So, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Ansar is kind of owning that.
06:22It is saying that this is done with our hard work.
06:26This is right.
06:27You should pay attention to this.
06:29So, if we go to the greater game, then this story becomes something else.
06:32Mr. Zain, please clarify,
06:33before these fatwas come to you on Pakistan Tehrik-e-Ansar,
06:37that these are the allies of the USA or puppets.
06:43In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
06:44Anika, thank you so much.
06:45You invited me to the program.
06:46Look, there are two or three things, and I am going to clear things in this.
06:49The first thing is that, in principle,
06:52we all agree with the Nationalist plan.
06:55Terrorism should end in this country.
06:58This is what every Pakistani wants.
06:59Did Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa and the people of Pakistan make the biggest sacrifices?
07:03Of course, they did.
07:04Do we want peace and stability in this country?
07:06Of course, we do.
07:07This is what every Pakistani wants.
07:09There can be no two opinions on this.
07:11Now, where is the issue coming from?
07:12The issue is coming from here,
07:14that the General of Azam-e-Sahkam has made a very beautiful explanation,
07:17but the same thing,
07:19what I always say about their call and fail,
07:21is that when the Defense Minister of Pakistan
07:25will talk about cross-border adventurism,
07:28when he will say that we will enter Afghanistan and eradicate terrorists,
07:33when he will say that we will do new intelligence-based operations,
07:37when there is no parliamentary approval in this.
07:40Look, we want you to do intelligence-based operations.
07:44We want you to get terrorism out of this country at once.
07:49But can you do this without debating in Parliament?
07:53Can you do this without taking the opinion of the public representatives?
07:58Enlighten me, Mr. Zain.
07:59Look, there is no doubt in this.
08:00Enlighten me, please.
08:01Before this, Zarb-e-Azb, Radd-ul-Fasad,
08:04were all approved in Parliament after discussion?
08:07Or did the government decide to talk to the National Security Committee?
08:10So, Anika, listen to me.
08:12If you have made a mistake before,
08:15will you make the same mistake again and again?
08:17Have you not seen how big...
08:20Yes, let me finish, Anika. Please don't interrupt.
08:23Have you not seen how big a price your law enforcement agencies,
08:28your forces, your civilians,
08:31have paid to you?
08:35So, the biggest stakeholders in this,
08:38the stakeholders are either Balochistan or KPK,
08:40shouldn't you take them on board?
08:42If you have made mistakes before, will you make the same mistakes again and again?
08:46The demand for justice in Pakistan is very simple.
08:49If you want to carry out a new operation,
08:52bring it to the floor of the House,
08:54have a debate on it,
08:56give us an in-camera briefing on it,
08:58and when you get parliamentary approval,
09:00then you can proceed.
09:02If you sit in a closed room and make these decisions,
09:05the consequences are far-reaching.
09:07And everyone has to face the consequences.
09:10You don't have to do it alone.
09:12So, it's not your decision alone.
09:14There have been elections in this country,
09:16and people have been elected.
09:18The representatives of this country
09:20should know about this,
09:22and with parliamentary approval, this should proceed.
09:24The second thing you said was about the resolution.
09:29So, again, our stance on the resolution is very clear.
09:33If you were bringing a resolution against the House of Representatives,
09:37then you had a right to get parliamentary approval,
09:42to build consensus,
09:44to give a copy of the resolution to the opposition,
09:47and you said, we are bringing a resolution,
09:49it should come unanimously.
09:51But you saw that the government
09:53that has gained power from the thieves,
09:55they also tried to bring a resolution from the thieves.
09:57What was wrong with that?
09:59If they had come to the leaders of the opposition,
10:01to the leaders of the opposition,
10:03we were all sitting together in the assembly,
10:05they could have shown us an hour ago,
10:07that they are bringing a resolution,
10:09give us your stance on it,
10:11but they didn't show us a resolution.
10:13What is the reason?
10:15One minute.
10:17Mr. Zain, let me clarify,
10:19number one,
10:21number two,
10:23if your party is saying that this is a victory for us,
10:25that the USA has passed a resolution
10:27that the elections in Pakistan,
10:29the humanitarian issues,
10:31whatever the USA is doing,
10:33in their homes or outside,
10:35or supporting Israel,
10:37but they are seeing the human rights violations in Pakistan,
10:39when it interferes here,
10:41your party is saying that they are doing the right thing,
10:43they could have shown you a resolution,
10:45and I am not saying that they shouldn't have shown it,
10:47they absolutely should have shown it.
10:49First of all,
10:51you should decide
10:53that you can't choose
10:55when there is interference or not.
10:57If we say that they sent a cipher
10:59of the interference,
11:01you say that it wasn't interference,
11:03but if they pass a resolution,
11:05then you feel that it is interference.
11:07Then both are wrong.
11:09We just say that,
11:11why did you create so much commotion?
11:13We didn't claim victory or defeat on this.
11:15We said that it is a resolution
11:17of the US House of Representatives.
11:19This is the habit of this government,
11:21they make it a mountain out of a molehill.
11:23We just said that
11:25whatever Imran Khan and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
11:27have been saying since 8th February,
11:29that there were irregularities
11:31in the upcoming elections on 8th February.
11:33It was not a clean and fair election.
11:35Today, the US House of Representatives
11:37have also supported it.
11:39I don't need to read more than this.
11:41Clarify one thing.
11:43I will come back to you.
11:45I will ask for clarification.
11:47You said that if you did this,
11:49then I am not referring to you.
11:51Clarify it.
11:53What do you mean?
11:55You said that you created a commotion
11:57at that time.
11:59I am not referring to you or the media
12:01regarding the cipher.
12:03I am talking about the government.
12:05I am talking about the PDN government.