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00:00Squeeze it, Cheesy-P!
00:03Very little telly of any kind reveals as much about Britain and the way we live as the sketch show.
00:09When I caught Gerald, he was completely wild. Wild! I was absolutely livid.
00:14All life is here.
00:15Can I help you?
00:16Yes, you'll face my arse!
00:18No class, occupation, region or community has escaped parody.
00:23I'm flying, Jack! I'm flying!
00:25Are we the baddies?
00:27They've supplied catchphrases that quickly became the unofficial language of Britain.
00:31That is so unfair! I hate you!
00:34You are awful.
00:37I like you.
00:39Friend.
00:40I'm Paul Whitehouse, and I've spent a huge chunk of my career writing and performing in comedy sketches.
00:46Over there. There.
00:49So, who's better than me?
00:51Me.
00:52To look at the history of short-form comedy.
00:54My name is Michael Payne.
00:56Well, you can probably think of loads of people, but tough.
01:00You're stuck with me.
01:01Brilliant!
01:04Yeah!
01:23We've seen how the 1970s sketch show was very much a game of two halves.
01:27Don't turn round.
01:30From the clever and surreal world of Monty Python
01:33to millions of viewers guffawing at the daft, almost silent comedy antics of Benny Hill.
01:44But the 80s was an even more turbulent and divisive decade politically.
01:49And so it was for comedy, as new, zany, subversive and alternative comedians began to stake their TV claim.
01:56Hey, guy, all your animals have escaped.
02:00And what better vehicle than the sketch show?
02:03Basically, I go around schools, you know, I sit in with the kids.
02:09Because I'm trying to learn French.
02:12Oxbridge still loomed large over some of the big 80s sketch shows.
02:16Not least because a lot of the performers had come via footlights in the footsteps of the Fringe.
02:21You try saying that.
02:23And, of course, Monty Python.
02:26One of the most impactful was not the 9 o'clock news.
02:29A brand new comedy concept.
02:31The fast turnaround news satire on world events.
02:34Always on the right side of daft.
02:37The show launched the careers of some really big stars.
02:40Here's Pamela Stevenson, Mel Smith and the future Mr Bean in a legendary and very silly sketch.
02:47There have been some extraordinary breakthroughs in communication between men and animals.
02:51Some outstanding cases being those with dolphins and with owls.
02:55But in the forefront of this field is Professor Timothy Fielding.
02:59And his experiments with a gorilla called Gerald.
03:05Professor, can Gerald really speak as we would understand it?
03:09Oh, yes, yes, yes. I mean, he can speak a few actual words.
03:11Of course, it was extremely difficult to get him even to this stage.
03:16When I first... When I first captured Gerald in the Congo, I'm 67, I think it was.
03:22I'm 68.
03:2568.
03:27There was an awful lot of work to do. He was enormously slow and difficult.
03:30I had to do a lot of work with him on a sort of one-to-one basis.
03:33If I might just butt in at this point, Tim.
03:35I think I should point out that I have done a considerable amount of work on this project myself.
03:40And if I may say so, your teaching methods do leave a bit to be desired.
03:44Some of it is ungrateful, isn't it?
03:46And your addiction, for instance, is not...
03:48I'm sorry, can I put this into some sort of perspective?
03:50When I caught Gerald in 68, he was completely wild.
03:55Wild? I was absolutely livid.
04:01But as well as Python-esque sketches with Rowan Atkinson in a daft gorilla suit,
04:06the show wasn't afraid of savage satire.
04:09Here's Griff Rees-Jones' racist copper, spoofing the Met's notorious special patrol group.
04:15The offensive language might now be shocking, but it's brilliantly crafted, funny and a satirical triumph.
04:21I want to talk to you about some charges that you've been bringing lately.
04:25I think that perhaps you're being a little overzealous.
04:30Walking on the cracks in the paper.
04:36Walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area during the hours of ducks.
04:44And walking around with an offensive wife.
04:50In the space of one month, you have brought 117 ridiculous, trumped-up and ludicrous charges.
04:56Yes, sir.
04:57Against the same man.
05:01Yes, sir.
05:03A Mr. Winston Kodogo of 55 Mercer Road.
05:09Would I be correct in assuming that Mr. Kodogo is a coloured gentleman?
05:15Well, I can't say I've ever noticed, sir.
05:18Savage, you're a bigot.
05:20Did you get some kind of perverted gratification from going around stirring up trouble?
05:25Yes, sir.
05:28There's no room for men like you in my force, savage.
05:31I'm transferring you to the SPG.
05:34Oh, thank you, sir.
05:36At the other end of the mainstream spectrum was perhaps the heir to Benny Hill,
05:41DJ-come-mad-cut-TV star Kenny Everett,
05:44who was genuinely wacky and really appealed to the young.
05:48His show was massive.
05:50A mixture of comedy, top-of-the-pops and consciously anarchic,
05:54it didn't take itself at all seriously.
05:57I mean, what's not to love about Rod Stewart's inflatable bum?
06:01A beautifully realised bit of uproarious nonsense.
06:11And deep joy. It just keeps on getting more and more preposterous.
06:16Rod's Jacksy now has a life of its own.
06:19CHEERING
06:30As a famous DJ, Kenny had loads of showbiz mates he was able to lure onto his show
06:35to prat about with established characters like Sid Snopf,
06:39essentially a tabloid's idea of what a punk rocker was.
06:43Having the comedy punk meet up with Freddie Mercury on the show was a major coup,
06:48and Mr Bulsara played up to his role like a comedy natural.
06:52It's obvious they were very close pals.
06:55Upcoming is the British Eurovision violence contest,
06:59and here, ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce to you
07:04our British contender in said contest, Freddie...
07:08Good start.
07:10..Mercury, ladies and gentlemen!
07:12Freddie properly in his element here.
07:15Do your stuff, Fred.
07:17Giving Kenny a run for his money.
07:20Whilst most comedians have begun to realise you didn't need to dress up as women
07:24when you could use actual women,
07:26Kenny didn't seem to have got the memo.
07:29Mind you, his spoofed chat show guest Cupid Stunt is grotesquely funny,
07:34although the offensive spoonerism cues up a somewhat revolting character to today's viewer.
07:39You know, everybody was so friendly.
07:42I mean, I was talking to all the big directors.
07:45They'd come up to my room, and we'd have some drinks,
07:48and then they'd put it to me.
07:51It was so exciting to know I'm really wanted by big people,
07:56and so many times.
07:59The beard, the joke boobies, and the cardboard cut-out parky
08:03are all part of this very silly comic construct,
08:06and Kenny is clearly having a ball or two,
08:09as are the tittering crew.
08:11You know, these directors, they don't really talk about films.
08:15They just want to get into you as a person.
08:19Anyway, I hope you'll all go and see my new movie,
08:22Bloodbath of the Naked Vixens.
08:24It's all done in the best possible taste.
08:28Talking of funny women rather than men dressed up as them,
08:31three of a kind saw Tracey Ullman launch her successful bid
08:35for international stardom and world domination.
08:38I make love twice a week, and I'm fairly happy.
08:41I make love four times a week, and I'm very happy.
08:44I make love once a year, and I'm bloody delirious with joy.
08:48It's tonight.
08:50The old ones are the best.
08:52As well as comic David Copperfield,
08:54the show also saw one of the nation's favourites, Lenny Henry,
08:58as the first major black comedian in a sketch show.
09:01I've been checking out the West End, man.
09:03Have you seen all the new clubs are opening down there?
09:06Have you seen all the new clubs are opening down there?
09:08It's well wicked, man.
09:10And they convert these places so quickly as well, right?
09:12I mean, I went into this butcher shop the other day,
09:14and I'm standing there waiting for my change.
09:16Suddenly, all these disco lights come on.
09:19The music starts blaring out,
09:21and this chick comes up and asks me to dance, right?
09:23I mean, it's impossible to look cool
09:25carrying a pound of minced beef in your hand, you know?
09:28A lame bang of my own drum here.
09:30Harry Enfield and I were writing together at the time,
09:33and H encouraged me to write a few bits
09:35for Lenny's famous invention, Delbert Wilkins.
09:38And Lenny included a couple of those lines in his live set.
09:41That's another great thing about sketch shows.
09:43They're a good platform for emerging writers to develop confidence.
09:47Well, we've been married now, um...
09:50Two years. Oh, yeah, two years.
09:52And, um, well, um...
09:55Well, I'd say our lives are quite normal, really.
09:58Yeah, quite normal, really. Yeah.
10:00Except for the interviews, of course.
10:02Oh, yeah, except for the interviews.
10:04Um, the interviews?
10:06Well, I blame that on me mum and me nan, really,
10:08because, um, I mean, they just didn't tell me
10:10how much of married life was taken up with making documentaries.
10:13In fact, if... Can I...?
10:15Oh, yeah, go on.
10:17See, um...
10:19To be perfectly frank,
10:21our first interview was a complete disaster.
10:23Simon!
10:25Come on, Jane.
10:27It's nothing to be ashamed of.
10:30Of course, we're a lot better at it now.
10:32Yes.
10:37Further showing off her comedy chops,
10:39Tracey Ullman was also involved in era-defining sketch show
10:43A Kick Up The 80s.
10:45What Tracey did was put pitch-perfect pop spoofs centre stage.
10:50You'd better run and hide
10:52Because you're phony and you're plastic
10:54And when something makes me angry
10:56I can really get sarcastic
10:58I'll blow my nose in public
11:00If you say I'm cute and cuddly
11:02Cos I wanna be rude
11:04I'm gonna barf in the nude
11:06Cos I'm angry
11:08I am angry
11:10The show also starred the late, great Robbie Coltrane
11:12and Roger Sloman,
11:14who turned in a career best as Keith
11:16in Mike Lee's classic Nuts in May.
11:18Still brilliant, and up there with Spinal Tap,
11:20in my humble opinion.
11:22And the time on Breakfast Time is 8.15.
11:24Time once again to go over to our special guest
11:26on Breakfast Time this morning,
11:28playwright, critic, journalist, and wit,
11:30Geoffrey Blake. Geoffrey, what's your opinion
11:32of the state of English drama?
11:34My opinion is exactly the same as it was at 7 o'clock.
11:36Half past seven.
11:38Now don't go away, Geoff,
11:40because I'd like to talk to you once again
11:42about the state of English drama at 8.30.
11:44Perhaps the biggest thing to emerge from the series
11:46was Rick Mayo as the sublime Kevin Turvey,
11:50a ridiculous, self-styled investigative journalist.
11:53Now, this might be controversial,
11:55but for me, this is Mr Mayo's greatest creation.
11:58So I got up, like, really early
12:00on the first day of my investigation
12:02and thought I'd have a really good breakfast.
12:04You know, cereal.
12:06So I went into the kitchen, right,
12:08got out the cornflakes, put it on the table,
12:10went over to the fridge, like,
12:12because that's where I keep my milk, you know.
12:19Milk.
12:21I thought, that's all right, I'll go to Tesco's
12:23and get some milk, right, because they've got loads down there.
12:26Oh, they have, I've been there, I've seen it.
12:29Racks and racks of it.
12:31And that's when this really strange thing happened.
12:34Because I saw this woman in there.
12:36Well, it's not odd in Tesco, is it?
12:39But this one was.
12:41I thought, crikey, that's Noel Gordon.
12:45I thought, it can't be Noel Gordon, not in Tesco's, right?
12:49So I crept up behind her and tapped her on the shoulder
12:52and she turned round.
12:54Do you know what? I was right.
12:56It wasn't.
12:59The 80s opened the door for a lot of neglected comedy talent and regions.
13:04Naked Video was a Colin Gilbert creation for BBC Scotland.
13:08He was also one of the people behind Kick Up The 80s.
13:12Naked Video was an embarrassment of daft riches.
13:22LAUGHTER
13:39So he's perhaps best remembered
13:41for permanently drunk Glaswegian street philosopher Rab C Nesbitt.
13:45Being deranged is nothing to be proud of.
13:48Ah, well, maybe not with you comfy, pal,
13:51but see up your street, in case it's like a knighthood.
13:54Rab made such an impact, along with his series wife Mary,
13:57the brilliant Elaine C Smith.
13:59What is it with those two and the C word?
14:02That is me, pure mental.
14:05Pure mental, oh, Rab, I'm not pleased.
14:10It's amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it.
14:14Another weak tap on the bass drum from me, here.
14:17Charlie Hickson and I wrote a fairly lame Naked Video sketch
14:21for Gregor Fisher and Tony Roper as clown buskers.
14:24It wasn't great, but not their fault, and it gave us hope.
14:27Oh, come on! Yeah, come on, sod this, sod this for the luck.
14:30They're a light, miserable bunch.
14:32So, yeah, come on, we'll find a better pitch than this.
14:35One, two, one, two, three and...
14:37LAUGHTER
14:45The 80s was a decade of social unrest, but also of social change.
14:50Alternative lifestyles gave way to alternative comedy.
14:54We've already seen that reflected in Not The Nine O'Clock News
14:58and other sketch show formats.
15:00But while the more right-on comedians were mucking about
15:03on the BBC or Channel 4,
15:05Gareth Howell and Norman Pace reached huge audiences on ITV.
15:09Alternative comedy, really, but just not on the BBC.
15:12Their sketches often pushed the envelope, whatever that means,
15:15or, in this case, the microwave door.
15:18There's a lot of controversy, or even controversy at the moment,
15:22about bad taste on television.
15:24But of all the things you can do on British TV,
15:27swearing, sex violence, nothing causes more of an uproar,
15:30nothing causes more anger than being cruel to animals.
15:33Isn't that right, Gareth? Yeah, that's absolutely right.
15:36Especially if you take a lovely, lovely girl,
15:41and a lovely, lovely furry little kitten like this,
15:44and...
15:51Seriously, though, we wouldn't...
15:54We wouldn't do anything like that, would we, Gareth?
15:57No. Certainly not.
16:02I mean, we like to experiment with comedy,
16:04but even we wouldn't microwave a cat live on national television.
16:08We certainly wouldn't.
16:10So...
16:12here's one we did earlier.
16:20Today, Billy's in the bedroom making a baby.
16:29Billy's making a baby with my wife, Jenny.
16:34Hello, Johnny.
16:36Hello, Jenny.
16:37Hello, Jenny.
16:38Hello, Jenny.
16:39Hello, Billy.
16:40Hello, Willy.
16:43Johnny.
16:45How many people are there?
16:47Three people.
16:49Troilism.
16:50That's a very long word, isn't it?
16:53We know a song about that, don't we?
16:56There were three in the bed and the little one said...
17:00Mmm.
17:03But for me, it's the management, a.k.a. the two rums.
17:07They were great.
17:08A kind of comic take on the Kray Twins
17:10that really tickled the nation's funny bone.
17:12So let's give them the last word.
17:14Or I could be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my days.
17:21I met this geezer, Mundy, and he hadn't paid his bill.
17:25Oh, dear, Ron, Ron, Ron. Oh, dear, Ron, Ron.
17:28Ron threatened him a bit, and then his heart stood still.
17:32What did you do, Ron, Ron? What did you do, Ron?
17:36Ooh, he didn't pay his bill.
17:39Ta-ta.
17:41So his heart stood still.
17:43Then Ron caught his eye.
17:47It just popped out, Ron. It just popped out.
17:53Now, this is probably the best title for a comedy show ever.
17:57Beautifully self-deprecating,
17:59but it only really works if you know the seminal 70s cowboy series
18:03alias Smith & Jones.
18:05If you like to go home, I'll tell you how to play.
18:08You win some, you lose some.
18:19Having broken away from the prison of Not The 9 O'Clock News,
18:23Griff Rhys-Jones and Mel Smith's own show was a massive hit.
18:27Their head-to-head sketches were probably
18:29their most distinctive returning characters,
18:31with more than a nod to Pete and Doug.
18:34I took you down to Wiley Street yesterday.
18:37Oh, yeah? Yeah, down, you know, where the clinics are, innit?
18:40Oh, yeah.
18:42I go down there quite often, actually.
18:44Do you? Oh, yeah, to the artificial inseminatory.
18:52Sperm bank, you know.
18:54Cos they've actually got the biggest collection of sperms
18:57in the country down there.
19:00You go down there and have a look at them, do you?
19:05No, no, no.
19:07I mean, I go to stick some in.
19:10I'm a... I'm a donator.
19:13Oh, oh.
19:16Well, how do you do that, then?
19:21So, do they give you a hand?
19:23What?
19:25Well, do they give you any help, you know, when you go down there?
19:28Oh, yeah, well, yeah, well, I mean, well, yeah, I mean, a nurse does, yeah.
19:37How does a nurse help you, then?
19:40Well, I mean, you know, I mean, she gives you the bottle.
19:43Oh, what, like a milk bottle?
19:46Sort of, yeah.
19:48That's nearly a pint.
19:50A nice reference to Tony Hancock's blood donor sketch there.
19:53And I really like this news-for-the-elderly sketch.
19:56Kind of a more cruel Two Ronnies
19:58while still managing to make a very smart point.
20:01Now, here's the news for the elderly.
20:05Hello!
20:07Hello, dear, yes, hello.
20:10Today, the Prime Minister, you know,
20:13you know, nice girl, nice young girl who runs the country,
20:16The Prime Minister, you know, you know, nice girl,
20:19nice young girl who runs the country.
20:22Yes.
20:24That's right, yes.
20:26You voted for her, you remember?
20:29Hello, yes.
20:31What, yeah, mm, yeah.
20:33It's going to be very nippy.
20:35Yes, mm, yes, yeah.
20:37Going to wrap up warm.
20:39Yeah, yeah.
20:40Plenty of woolies.
20:41Yeah, you can't be too...
20:42I say you can't be too careful.
20:44Yeah, well, it's getting colder these days, don't you think?
20:46Oh, much colder, yes.
20:48Well, bye-bye.
20:49Yeah.
20:50I'll pop round in the morning, all right?
20:53Victoria Wood was a true giant of the decade.
20:57Not least because she mainly used women
20:59and proved what a lot of male comedians had tried to suppress.
21:02Women are funny.
21:04Especially when they're in shoe shops.
21:07Hello, there's a pair of shoes in the window.
21:09Yes, that's right, we do that because it's a shoe shop.
21:13They're a black lace-up, £15.99.
21:15Are they?
21:16Yes, can I try them on?
21:18On your feet?
21:20Yes.
21:21All right, why not?
21:31No, sorry, sorry, the black ones, they're a flat lace-up.
21:34I pardon?
21:35Well, those aren't flat.
21:38LAUGHTER
21:41Flatter now!
21:45One of Ms Wood's crowning glories,
21:47so successful it became a hit West End musical,
21:50was Acorn Antiques,
21:52a parody of clunky soap opera Crossroads.
21:55Mrs Overall, played again by the sublime Julie Walters,
21:58is one of the great comedy creations.
22:01Gosh, I am awful.
22:03Here I am blabbing away about my own troubles
22:06and I forgot to ask you about your husband's car crash.
22:09Oh, he's dead, Miss Babs.
22:11Yes, in fact, I was going to ask you
22:13if I could have a couple of hours off on Thursday for the funeral.
22:16Oh, of course. Just pop back at five for the hoovering.
22:19What happened?
22:20His heart stopped beating.
22:22Yes, well, sometimes that's God's way of telling you you're dead.
22:26And in a further nod to Crossroads
22:28and its star diva Noel Gordon's exit,
22:31the moment when poor Mrs O is sacked
22:33and sashays out in her opulent civvy clothes
22:35is still a thing of great beauty.
22:37Were you expecting to be fired?
22:39A faithful dog expect to be kicked.
22:42That shows my life.
22:47Victoria was blessed with a brilliant cast of female performers,
22:51with the occasional bloke thrown in when required.
22:54But who needs blokes when you've got future Hollywood stars
22:57Celia Imri and Julie Walters in possibly the best sketch ever?
23:01Never has there been such exquisite torture.
23:04Ready to order, sir?
23:07Madam?
23:08Jane?
23:09Yes, what's the soup of the day, please?
23:12I'll just go and find out.
23:21We'll have two soups.
23:24Two soups.
23:25Two...
23:30One...
23:33Soup.
23:36And...
23:38Another.
23:42Soup.
23:43Right away, sir.
23:56Oh!
24:12Two soups.
24:18Perhaps reflecting outdated social attitudes to race,
24:22there were still precious few black comedians on TV in the 80s.
24:25But one shining beacon we've already seen was Lenwood Hanward,
24:29who, having cut his sketch show teeth in three of a kind,
24:33was soon back where I love him to be,
24:35doing daft sketches and characters.
24:39I know Lenny's achieved a lot in the theatre and in other fields
24:42where he's addressing racism and injustice,
24:44but I still love seeing him do this kind of thing.
24:47I mean, look at his gospel news sketch.
24:49It's a proper spectacle.
24:51And at the Old Bailey, I said,
24:53at the Old, Old Bailey,
24:55Lenny was convicted of a million-pound gold bullion robbery
24:58and sentenced to 15 years.
25:02What did he do?
25:06He stole a million pounds.
25:09What did he do?
25:11He got 15 years.
25:13Got 15 years?
25:16Yep.
25:17All men.
25:18All men indeed.
25:19What?
25:20The Russians launched a space satellite.
25:23Ooh, ooh, ooh, space satellite.
25:26And it went up. It went up.
25:28It went up. It went up.
25:30It went up. It went up.
25:31In the blue, blue sky.
25:36Now, I love Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie.
25:39I even work with them as it goes.
25:41Look, that's handsome me planted in the audience.
25:44I've been told that I'm going to die within six months
25:47unless my bottom is fondled.
25:50Hugh, you may not be aware of this,
25:52but the new Yamaha 600 RS CD player
25:54has an electronic arm that comes out and fondles your bottom.
25:59Well, what can I do?
26:01Well, you could fondle his bottom for a start.
26:04Well, it's only fair.
26:07Inheritors of the 60s footlights legacy
26:10and most obviously Monty Python,
26:12Fry and Laurie's sketch comedy was properly funny
26:15without being too smart for its own good.
26:17A Jeeves and Wooster for a modern audience, if you will.
26:20And they actually went on to play Jeeves and Wooster,
26:23as well as a raft of idiosyncratic characters
26:26in their own fabulous take on the good old Fox Pop.
26:30I'm going to write a very stiff letter.
26:33A very stiff letter.
26:35On cardboard.
26:38I always remember this spot because it was right here.
26:41This was the very first time that I saw my wife.
26:44I was standing absolutely here and I remember thinking,
26:47what an incredibly tiny woman she was.
26:50Absolutely tiny.
26:52She was about that size.
26:54Tiny little thing.
26:56It was only weeks later that I got to know her
26:58that I realised that that was, of course,
27:00because she was a long way away.
27:02The things they say, Ed.
27:04The things they say.
27:06My youngest, she said to me the other day,
27:08she said, Daddy, why are there wars?
27:10Why do people kill each other and fight?
27:13I said, Rebecca, darling,
27:16shut your face and watch the video or I'll blow you up.
27:20Running for six years and four series,
27:23their show was defined by clever wordplay and preposterous set-ups,
27:27wonderfully delivered by these two beautiful Renaissance men.
27:31I loved their mickey-take of Sunday night business dramas.
27:34Think Howard's Way or The Brothers.
27:36Come up here to the window and take a look.
27:39What is this, some kind of game?
27:41No game, John.
27:43Tell me what you see.
27:44I see a car park.
27:46Well, that's funny, John, because, you know,
27:48the last time you looked out of that window,
27:50you saw an idea.
27:52Don't you remember?
27:53Yes, I remember thinking that would be a good place
27:55to put a car park.
27:57Damn it, John, you're not listening to me.
27:59I'm talking about the big idea,
28:01the dream that you and I shared,
28:03the dream of a health club
28:05that would put the town of Utoxida
28:07on the goddamn map once and for all.
28:10Yeah, well...
28:12Maybe I...
28:13Maybe?!
28:15I don't believe I'm hearing this.
28:17What the hell happened to the old John?
28:19We pulled it down when we built the car park.
28:22Damn it, John, you're not hearing me.
28:24Damn it, I...
28:26No, don't you damn it, I, me.
28:28We've got that close.
28:29And you're just gonna...
28:30You're just gonna lie down and walk away?
28:33Damn it, Peter, maybe you're right.
28:35You're damn right, maybe I'm right.
28:37Damn double damn and an extra pint of damn for the weekend.
28:40Damn!
28:41Welcome back to the fight, John.
28:43Sorry if I was a little rough on you back there.
28:45Oh, I deserved it, Peter.
28:47I was acting like a damned amateur.
28:50Oh, John, if Marjorie should call...
28:53If Marjorie should call,
28:55tell her I'm busy.
28:59Damn!
29:03And there you have it,
29:05the 1980s sketch show years
29:07in a comically shaped nutshell.
29:10Apparently, the 90s was quite decent, too,
29:12but I wouldn't know anything about that,
29:14because I freely admit
29:16that I was there.
29:18There, John.
29:35You