• 6 months ago
Walton Goggins breaks down his most iconic roles from films and television, including 'Vice Principals,' 'Fallout,' 'The Shield,' 'Justified,' 'The Righteous Gemstones,' 'Django Unchained,' 'The Hateful Eight' and 'I'm a Virgo.'Fallout and I'm A Virgo are available to stream exclusively on Prime Video.Director: Robby MillerDirector of Photography: AJ YoungEditor: Jason MaliziaGuest: Walton GogginsProducer: Sam DennisLine Producer: Jen SantosProduction Manager: James PipitoneProduction Coordinator: Elizabeth HymesTalent Booker: Mica MedoffCamera Operator: Shay Eberle-GunstSound Mixer: Kari BarberProduction Assistant: Fernando BarajasPost Production Supervisor: Rachael KnightPost Production Coordinator: Ian BryantSupervising Editor: Rob LombardiAssistant Editor: Justin Symonds
Transcript
00:00I look back at some of the things that you've mentioned,
00:02comedies or dramas or movies or TV shows
00:06or big parts or small parts.
00:08It's the sum total of all of them that led to this moment.
00:12I am grateful to be known for all of it and none of it.
00:18Really.
00:18♪♪
00:23Vice Principles.
00:26You don't want to tussle with Lee Russell
00:28because I have the muscle.
00:31Busted, I'm busted by Lee Russell.
00:34I'm busted, busted by Lee Russell.
00:38I have been a fan of Danny McBride's
00:42going back to the foot fist way.
00:44He is the funniest person that I have ever met.
00:46But I think on camera, he is one of the funniest people
00:51that has been photographed in the last 50 years, man.
00:56The man is a genius.
00:58For which it stands, one nation, under God,
01:02indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
01:06I had an opportunity to read for him
01:07on Eastbound and Down.
01:10It didn't work out, but they called afterwards
01:12and they said, it was just a little too dangerous.
01:14You're too dangerous for what we were looking for.
01:16But we're titillated, you know,
01:20and we want to keep this conversation open.
01:21Cut to three years later,
01:23he was there in New Orleans when I was doing Django,
01:26and he sent me this script for Vice Principals.
01:29I read it and I thought, oh, this is dangerous.
01:32This is really, really dangerous.
01:34I read Lee Russell for the first time
01:36and thought, I understand this guy.
01:40I don't make these decisions.
01:41I don't believe in playing characters.
01:44I don't believe in making choices.
01:46These people just, they jump off the page.
01:50We're not partners.
01:51Fuck this partnership.
01:53I'm going to get me a new partner.
01:54Someone who will actually help me get things done.
01:58Someone who's not a fucking little pussy.
02:00A fucking little pussy.
02:01A hairy mustache pussy.
02:03That's what you think I am?
02:04These are two very, very insecure,
02:07very lonely people that are looking to be seen.
02:14You know, they just want to be seen
02:16and loved for who they are.
02:17Regardless of how funny this is,
02:19there's an underlying pain to their journey
02:23that is a part of this process.
02:26And if at the end of this, they have each other,
02:28well, what more could they want?
02:32We've got this bitch exactly where we want her.
02:35One push and she falls into the Grand Canyon.
02:38If she can fit.
02:39If she can fit, if she can fit.
02:42She's so big that there's no way she can probably fit.
02:44I got it.
02:45Yeah.
02:46I think Lee Russell and Neil Gamby
02:49is one of the great love stories
02:51I've seen in the last decade.
02:54I really do.
02:55And we had such a great time filming it.
02:58So much so that at the end of that,
03:00I knew that Danny was going to be a friend
03:03for the rest of my life.
03:04And someone, if given the invitation,
03:07that I would collaborate with forever.
03:11Fallout.
03:12["Fallout"]
03:19You wouldn't happen to be a doctor, would you?
03:22Because I happen to be looking for one.
03:24You know your kind ain't welcome here.
03:27Well, maybe not.
03:30But I'm going to make myself welcome.
03:32If I'm being honest, I'm not a gamer.
03:34As I've done with even Tomb Raider
03:37or several of the other movies
03:39that I've done over the years.
03:40My job isn't to protect the player's experience.
03:44My job is to interpret these words
03:49and understand who this person is
03:53and make them as real as possible.
03:56I didn't know anything about the game.
03:58There were so many people
04:01that knew everything about the game
04:03that made that experience tactile
04:07in a way that made everything
04:10that was happening around you,
04:11the environment of all of these different spaces,
04:13it made it feel like,
04:16okay, for the player of the game
04:19who's now watching this show,
04:20you are inserted into an authentic representation
04:24of the world, right?
04:27Number one.
04:28I didn't have to think about that.
04:30And as far as the story goes,
04:33and Jonathan Nolan's approach to it
04:36in Geneva and Graham Wagner,
04:38who's also a very big fan of the game,
04:42tried not to be influenced
04:44or to be swayed by including things in the game
04:49that would get in the way of a truly authentic story
04:53in the canon of the Fallout universe.
04:56And a weapon in their arsenal was me, was the ghoul.
05:00I wasn't concerned about the player's experience at all.
05:04I'm concerned about the person that I'm playing
05:06and making it as three-dimensional and real as possible.
05:10And if you do that and you come from your heart
05:12and if you believe it and the audience believes it
05:14and everybody else is taking care of the feel,
05:17the vibe of the Fallout universe,
05:19well, then they'll go on that journey with you.
05:21And luckily for me, for all of us
05:25that participated in the making of this show,
05:27that's been the experience.
05:28["Fail Fuerte y Fumar"]
05:37There's an old Mexican eulogy.
05:40Fail fuerte y fumar.
05:42When I read these scripts for Fallout for the first time,
05:45what I realized pretty early on
05:47is that this is an extraordinary opportunity
05:50to play the same person
05:52at two very different times in their life.
05:55One, Cooper Howard,
05:58the equivalent of a retro-futuristic kind of 50s
06:01Pax Americana world.
06:03He is a Western movie star in this time
06:07and with a beautiful wife and a beautiful daughter
06:12and a family and a world that he loves.
06:19I needed to understand everything in that world
06:21as Cooper Howard to understand 219 years
06:26after the bombs fell and everything that he had lost
06:31and everything that he had seen over those 219 years.
06:34I mean, this is a man who has been walking
06:38a post-apocalyptic wasteland for 219 years
06:41and seen the absolute worst
06:46that human beings have to offer.
06:48He is cynical and beyond indignant.
06:55He is just walking and walking
07:00and trying to stay alive long enough
07:02to find out answers to questions
07:06that only he knew until we get to the end of the story
07:12and you realize it was for his family.
07:15And so it was an incredible opportunity.
07:18It was a unique opportunity to play these two people
07:24that are so similar and have them speak to each other
07:27over time, but at two very, very different points
07:31in their life.
07:32It was the extreme version of the lives
07:35that most people live.
07:39We're all very different at 19 than we are at 52
07:42or at 62 or at 72 or at 82.
07:46And his was just interrupted by the ending of the world.
07:53The Shield.
07:57Lim, I'm sorry, but I had to, right?
08:04But you know I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, man.
08:08Buddy.
08:13No one knew what it was going to become.
08:15It was just a great pilot.
08:18No one knew if it would get picked up or anything else.
08:20Michael Chiklis and Kenny Johnson and I
08:23became very, very close very, very quickly.
08:26And I'll never forget the first day of filming
08:29downtown Los Angeles.
08:30I'm a serious guy.
08:32I like to think I'm a funny guy too,
08:34but I'm a pretty earnest, serious guy
08:36and I take what we do for a living very seriously.
08:39But we were messing around downtown LA
08:43and we had our badges on and we were just bonding
08:45like that first day of work.
08:47And the badge was out and this police officer
08:51who was security on the set came up to us.
08:55He said, what the fuck are you doing?
08:59I said, I'm sorry, what do you mean what are you doing?
09:01You see that badge?
09:02It's not a joke.
09:03There's a hit out on a police officer right now.
09:05Take that fucking thing off and put it in your pocket
09:08until they call action.
09:10And it was in that moment that I realized
09:12this is for real, you know.
09:16That's the culture of this show.
09:21It's the tenor of this city.
09:22And that's how we're gonna approach this.
09:27Lock and load, baby.
09:30This is not gonna be any beauty pageant, ladies.
09:32He's got steel-enforced doors,
09:33which means we gotta go through a window
09:35and we gotta be fast before he starts flushing.
09:37Knock, knock, who's there?
09:38Strike team, Mr. Drug Dealer.
09:41It was all said and done.
09:42We all became very, very close and that was it.
09:45We waited.
09:48Two months later, 9-11 happened.
09:49America changed, the world changed.
09:52And we're sitting on this powder keg
09:56of a visual experience that vilifies police officers
10:01at a time where police officers were running up those stairs
10:05to save people at 9-11.
10:07It was sacrilegious to even contemplate
10:11telling a story like this.
10:14And the decision had to be made sometime in December,
10:18I think, by the higher-ups at FX.
10:22And they decided that, yes, this is the time.
10:27You made that decision on your own?
10:29He wouldn't go to Mexico.
10:31I told him about the goat farm, about the way out.
10:35About the money that we were gonna send him.
10:38He said that if he wouldn't take the ride to Mexico,
10:40that we would know that he turned.
10:41He didn't turn!
10:42Well, I know that now!
10:43I did 84 episodes of The Shield.
10:47That had never been done before, right?
10:50No actor had ever had the opportunity
10:53to play a linear story
10:57and over that extended period of time
11:00and explore every facet of a person's
11:04psychological condition
11:06and have that psychological condition evolve over time.
11:09No one had ever done that.
11:11And we were kind of the test pilots in that way.
11:14And I'm very proud of and very grateful
11:18for that opportunity.
11:19So no one knew.
11:20I didn't know that it was going to go that long.
11:22I didn't know that it was going to become
11:24that nuanced and that complicated.
11:26Not only did I not get bored by that experience,
11:31it was riveting daily
11:35and remained that way up until the last cut
11:39that we heard on the series finale.
11:41An opportunity that I have never taken for granted.
11:44No one took it for granted.
11:46And everybody understood how special this opportunity was.
11:51I was just lucky enough to get to do it again.
11:57Justified.
12:00You gonna shoot to stop me?
12:02Maybe.
12:03I'm pretty sure you're empty.
12:06You gonna bet your life on that?
12:08No, Rylan, I'm gonna bet my life
12:10on you being the only friend I have left in this world.
12:13When I was offered the role of Boyd Crowder in Justified,
12:18it was just to be in the pilot episode, right?
12:21I read it.
12:23It's extremely well-written.
12:25It's Elmore Leonard as a source material.
12:27You can't really go wrong with anything
12:30that Elmore Leonard has written.
12:31And Graham Yost and Michael Denner and Tim Olyphant,
12:36they all did such a great job
12:37of putting his words on the page.
12:40I turned it down twice because of a speech
12:45that Boyd Crowder made in the middle of the show.
12:50And just a feeling that they're just selling
12:55Southern culture down the river.
12:57This is just a one-dimensional interpretation
13:01or perpetuating a stereotype, if you will,
13:05of a Southern character that I no longer needed to play.
13:10And I don't believe in that.
13:12I've never believed in that.
13:13The South is way more complicated
13:16than it has been depicted in movies and TV.
13:21And I didn't wanna participate
13:24in selling out my culture anymore.
13:28The most interesting people I've ever met in my life
13:30are from the South.
13:32And the funniest people I've ever met in my life
13:34are from the South.
13:35And after the second,
13:38thank you so much for the opportunity,
13:40but no, I can't play this, I'm sorry.
13:44Tim Olyphant gave me a call.
13:46And he said, listen, I think it could be special.
13:49You know, and I think that we could be special together.
13:51What do you need in order for it to be a yes?
13:56And I think I talked to him and Graham
13:58and I said, two things.
14:00I need for Boyd Crowder
14:02to be the smartest person in the room.
14:04That's the only way that I would play him.
14:06And I need whenever he's going on this racial rant,
14:11I need you to say to me
14:14that I know you don't believe half the shit
14:16that's coming out of your mouth,
14:19that it's performative.
14:21See, I'm giving you the benefit.
14:23You weren't mental.
14:25No, you're not stupid enough
14:26to believe that mud people story.
14:28Well, you think you know me?
14:31Well, I know you, Deputy Marshall Allen Gibbons.
14:33The chemistry between Tim and I was just palpable,
14:38you know, from the first day that we worked together.
14:40And I just fell in love with the guy,
14:42to be quite honest with you.
14:44I loved the creators and what they were doing,
14:45but that was it, just walked away from it.
14:49And John Landgraf and the people at FX,
14:51obviously I'm like family to them
14:54and they're my family because of the shield.
14:56They came back and after testing the show
15:00and the audience said,
15:01oh, that guy, you can't kill that guy.
15:03See, we gotta have that guy around.
15:06And so they came back and offered me the opportunity to stay.
15:12And to be quite honest with you, much like the audience,
15:15I just wanted to see where this relationship could go.
15:19And so I decided to stay.
15:21There is one thing I wonder back to you.
15:27We dug coal together.
15:33That's right.
15:35I'm 52 years old, right?
15:36I've been around for a while.
15:38And I have met many different people
15:43over the course of the life that I have chosen to live,
15:46that I've been given an opportunity to live.
15:49And even now meeting new people and my new milieu
15:54is so special.
15:56I have more in common with them
15:58than I do with the people that I grew up with in Georgia,
16:01certainly now.
16:03But the one thing that I will never have with them
16:06that I have with the people that I grew up with
16:08is history and struggle and experience, time.
16:14Time is something you can't get back.
16:16The stars align and you are with the group of people
16:20that you're with in the early years of your life.
16:23And if you are lucky enough to hold on to those friendships
16:26and they evolve over time,
16:29nothing and no one can replace that, nothing.
16:33And the same thing applied for me
16:37in the telling of the story, Justify.
16:40And it's something that we all talked about ad nauseum
16:42was that regardless of how different they are,
16:46regardless of how similar they are,
16:48regardless of their life choices,
16:51they dug coal together and they struggled together
16:54and they had that history together.
16:56So that was present in every conversation
17:02between Tim and I.
17:04It was antagonistic in each other's company
17:08but the antagonism had an underlying love to it
17:12and a respect and an appreciation.
17:13I like to think that Rylan Gibbons is an asshole
17:19but he's my asshole, you know.
17:25The Righteous Gemstones.
17:27This place that used to be a Sears,
17:30a place you could buy slacks,
17:33awesome power tools for all you men out there
17:35but now you can buy Jesus, amen.
17:37You can buy Jesus, amen.
17:39Amen.
17:41But you can't put him on layaway.
17:45This part wasn't written, you know.
17:48And what I mean by that is Danny,
17:50in a conversation we were having
17:52at the end of the vice principal's press tour,
17:56he said, I'm working on something.
17:58I got something in my head.
17:59I think I know what I wanna do next
18:01and I want you to be in it.
18:04And I want you to play a 67-year-old man.
18:10And I said, of course you do.
18:19Uncle Baby Billy, we see you.
18:21Ain't nobody here named Baby Old Billy.
18:24Dude, we see half your body right now.
18:28We talk all the time.
18:30So he went off and he wrote it
18:32and he kind of came back with this idea.
18:37And we said, okay, well let's do like a proof of concept
18:40and let's see kind of what this is.
18:42And there were scenes kind of written
18:44but they were just kind of a general outline
18:47of who this person was.
18:49And I flew down to Charleston and we made him up.
18:54We came up with, okay, this is Baby Billy
18:56and they pulled out this wig
18:57and we just put it on, this turtleneck and this suit
19:03and I just kind of walked out and Danny filmed it.
19:06And I just started doing this monologue
19:08and it's like this and that.
19:10Oh, how does he, oh, oh wow.
19:12I didn't know he had a limp.
19:14Where did that come from?
19:15I didn't know any of these things.
19:16And that was enough to convince us both
19:19that yeah, Uncle Baby Billy, he needs to live
19:22and there's a place for him in this world.
19:24And then Danny opened that up
19:26and kind of included him in that way.
19:29And the rest is history for the people
19:33that watch the show or like what we do.
19:34It's exactly family feuds.
19:36There ain't no family feud.
19:38This is Baby Billy's bobble bonkers.
19:40Bobble bonkers.
19:41Baby Billy's bobble bonkers.
19:43Baby Billy bobble bonkers.
19:44Baby Billy bobble bonkers.
19:45Bobble bonkers.
19:46Bobble bonkers.
19:47Baby Billy bobble bonkers.
19:48Yeah, roll that around your mouth.
19:50That's fun, ain't it?
19:50I don't believe in playing dramas or comedies.
19:53I see them the same.
19:55I mean, I think there's a different tonality
19:57to all of it, right?
19:58But any person that I've been given the opportunity to play
20:02has to be rooted in life.
20:06I have to exist in the world in my mind.
20:09I'm not playing an idea of someone, right?
20:12That would be antithetical to my belief system.
20:16So, even though the Righteous Gemstones
20:19and Vice Principles is very funny,
20:21when it lands, there are real consequences, right?
20:23Even though the shield is very serious,
20:26there are some really fucking funny moments in there.
20:30The same with Justified.
20:33So, I don't believe that I've transitioned at all.
20:35I believe that one has always informed the other.
20:38Sometimes, I guess, comedy, to use your word,
20:41is accentuated, right?
20:43And sometimes the drama is accentuated.
20:46But all of us, those two realities exist
20:50in every human being in the world.
20:53Whether you're around to hear someone tell a joke or not.
20:56Chances are, most people in life are funny
20:59at some point of the day, right?
21:02Depends on whether or not you want to photograph that.
21:04Jango Unchained.
21:09Like everyone that reads Quentin Tarantino's script,
21:11I was in awe of what this experience was
21:15and what it was saying.
21:16I couldn't, it blew my fucking mind.
21:19I called a friend of mine,
21:21a director by the name of Robert Rodriguez,
21:23who I had worked with and who I deeply respect and admire.
21:28I knew he was friends with Quentin.
21:31And I just texted him.
21:33And I said, Robert, I just read Jango Unchained.
21:37I know Quentin is your boy.
21:39Please, brother, I've never asked you for anything
21:42and I'm not the guy to ever ask anyone anything like this
21:45in my life, ever.
21:46I'm not that guy.
21:47I said, but would you please text Mr. Tarantino
21:52and just tell him, ask him if I could read
21:57or if I could just talk to him
22:00or just tell him that I read it and I just love it,
22:03if nothing else.
22:04He probably has no idea who the fuck I am,
22:07but would you please do that?
22:10And Robert, to his credit, said, I got you, Goggins.
22:13Not a problem.
22:14Five minutes later, he texted me back
22:17with a quote from Quentin who said,
22:22absolutely love Walton Goggins.
22:24Yeah, that would be great.
22:27And it blew my fucking mind.
22:29I started jumping up and down and screaming,
22:30oh my God, Quentin Tarantino knows my name.
22:32What, are you kidding me?
22:34Robert, are you fucking with me?
22:37But he wasn't.
22:38And then as fate would have it, we got a phone call,
22:41a dear friend of my wife who used to work for Quentin.
22:43And she said, Walton, I just finished reading
22:46Jango Unchained and you're perfect for this, man.
22:50Like you gotta, I gotta hook you up with Quentin.
22:53Like I'm gonna, we gotta have a dinner together with him.
22:57So we did have this dinner, five days later
23:00from a completely different source.
23:03And we met at her house and we had this incredible evening
23:09and this long kind of winding conversation
23:13about art and politics and obviously cinema
23:18and all the rest of it.
23:19At the end of this dinner with this friend,
23:22he said, you know the script?
23:24Pick one of these four or five roles,
23:28whatever speaks to you, and come in next week.
23:31I said, okay, great.
23:32And I read it again and again and again and again
23:35and again and again and again.
23:37And I came in with these five roles or four roles
23:40and it was like, oh yeah, really good to see you again,
23:44Walton, so good to see you too, Quentin
23:46and all the rest of it.
23:47And I did these four roles.
23:51And he said, that was fantastic, man.
23:53Is there one you kind of gravitate to more than other?
23:56I said, well, this is really interesting.
23:58You know, and he said, well, that one
23:58might not be available, but what about,
24:00and I said, oh, this is really interesting.
24:03And he said, okay, man, all right, this was a great time.
24:06He said, you know, thank you so much for coming in.
24:08And I said, but I'm not leaving.
24:12He said, what do you mean?
24:13I said, no, I'm gonna play all,
24:15I wanna play all of these roles.
24:17Like, I wanna read all of these roles.
24:18He said, what are you talking about?
24:19I said, I wanna read Leo's role.
24:21I wanna read Sam's role.
24:23I wanna read all of them
24:26because I don't care if I get this job.
24:27Like, that's irrelevant to me.
24:29The only thing that I care about
24:31is having the opportunity to say Quentin Tarantino's words
24:34in front of Quentin Tarantino.
24:36Getting the job is irrelevant to me.
24:38And he said, are you serious?
24:40And I said, yeah.
24:40And he said, yeah, let's fucking do it.
24:42And he sat there with me in that room
24:45for another 45 minutes, maybe an hour.
24:49And we just read through his script.
24:51And I read, like, Sam's role.
24:53And he read every other role as if he was filming it.
24:57And then I read Leo's role.
24:59And he read every other role as if we were filming it.
25:02And it was one of the greatest days of my life as an artist.
25:06And at the end of it, I mean, I think I hugged him
25:09and I just said, thank you.
25:10You know, that was a dream come true.
25:12And good luck with your movie.
25:14I can't wait to watch it, man.
25:18Couple of months go by, a month goes by,
25:20and I get a call that he wants me to come and play with him.
25:25And that was the beginning of, you know,
25:30two of the greatest experiences of my life.
25:32Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
25:41The giant goat!
25:43I think anyone would be lying
25:45if they said they had any real influence
25:48in developing a character in a Tarantino movie.
25:51What I mean by that, let me qualify it.
25:54Quentin has said this,
25:55and I think it's one of the reason why he is who he is.
25:59And a number of the great directors I've worked with
26:04over the years have said the same thing.
26:06They hire an actor that will give them 90%
26:09of what they're looking for, without conditions.
26:12They just know whatever they bring to the table,
26:1590% of it they're gonna love.
26:18And the other 10% is just nudging them
26:20in certain directions.
26:22So you don't deviate from the words
26:26in a Quentin Tarantino script,
26:28the commas or the periods or the semicolons
26:32or anything else.
26:34It is word for word, the uh, the duh, the and,
26:38the it, all of it.
26:39It's perfection.
26:42It is like the best meal you've ever sat down to eat.
26:46You just don't wanna stop eating it.
26:50But that being said, you bring what you have to the table,
26:54and he looks and he sees it.
26:57And that's why he casts the people that he casts,
27:01because of Django and my time there
27:05with all of those amazing artists.
27:08All of those days and everything that kinda happened
27:13in those days.
27:13And it's even, there are things that happen
27:15that you don't know about that I still can't talk about.
27:18But it was a surreal experience,
27:21but that's what led to The Hateful Eight.
27:25The Hateful Eight.
27:28You got business in Red Rock?
27:29Yes, I do.
27:30What?
27:31I'm the new sheriff.
27:33Oh, shit.
27:34Pray not.
27:35Where's your star?
27:36I ain't the sheriff yet.
27:38Once I get there, they swear me in,
27:40but that ain't happened yet.
27:42And that's when you get your star.
27:43When Quentin reached out to me
27:46about this movie called The Hateful Eight,
27:49it wasn't to do the movie,
27:50because the movie wasn't going to be made at that point.
27:52It was to do a stage reading
27:55of the script that he had written.
27:57He was going to do the rehearsals
28:00in this space in Los Angeles.
28:04I was out in New Orleans working at the time,
28:08and he called and said,
28:09okay, I need you to get here on these days.
28:12There's this character I want you to read,
28:14but I need you to come in and read with everybody
28:20before we put this thing up.
28:22I know as well as anybody else
28:23that he didn't ask me to audition.
28:26He offered me the opportunity to come in and read.
28:29But any actor worth their weight in salt knows
28:31that when a director of that stature
28:33is asking you to read their words,
28:35with or without admitting it, it is an audition.
28:38And it's an audition for everybody in the room.
28:41Either you're going to get it
28:42if this movie ever gets made, or you're not.
28:46And I had been working all night the night before.
28:49I got on a plane.
28:50I flew into Los Angeles.
28:51I got there at 9.15 in the morning.
28:54I had to be in this room at 10 a.m., no matter what.
29:00And I made it, got the taxi, got there in time.
29:04I was running up the stairs, and it was so quick
29:07that I didn't let myself get fearful
29:10until right before I was about to knock on the door
29:13to go in.
29:15It wasn't some fancy space, man.
29:16I think it might have been on Santa Monica or something.
29:19And I ran up the steps, I ran up the steps,
29:21and then I was going to knock on the door, and I stopped.
29:24And then my heart started beating really quickly
29:28because I thought, on the other side of this door
29:30is Tim Roth, Kurt Russell, Sam Jackson,
29:35and Michael Madsen.
29:37These are my fucking heroes, man.
29:40These are my heroes.
29:41And I just, I started having a panic attack,
29:45and I just said, if you get really quiet,
29:47no, it's okay, just walk in there
29:50and come from your heart, man.
29:52I walked in, Quentin's like, hey, you know,
29:54hey, Walton, come on in, take a seat.
29:55You know, sit down, sit down.
29:57We've been reading a lot of other things
29:58because you weren't here, you know,
30:00so now we're going to start with you.
30:02How do you feel about that?
30:03You know, and I said, well, catching my breath.
30:06And Sam, who's one of my dearest friends now,
30:10he leaned over to me and he said, you got this shit?
30:13And then we started,
30:16and we just picked up with Chris Mannix scenes.
30:19And it was like I'd been saying those words my whole life.
30:23You know, that's how good Quentin's dialogue is.
30:27Oh boy, did my daddy talk about you.
30:32I heard you gave those blue bellies sweet hell.
30:36Before you know it, we did two days of rehearsals.
30:39This thing is just coming alive in the hearts and minds
30:43of everybody that's there to read.
30:45We did the reading downtown at the Ace Hotel,
30:48packed house and brought the house down, you know,
30:53the way that a Tarantino experience always does.
30:56And it was euphoric.
30:58And that was it.
30:59We all walked off stage and it was like,
31:01God, man, it was so lovely to meet you.
31:03What a great experience.
31:05What a high, unbelievable.
31:08And never thinking that we would get the opportunity
31:11to actually play these people.
31:13And then I suppose a couple of months later,
31:16however long it took Quentin to make his decision,
31:19he decided, you know what?
31:21It's worth telling the story.
31:23And so he did.
31:26And I got the invitation, the golden ticket yet again.
31:30You know, like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, really.
31:34And you know, you opened the bar and there it is.
31:37It's two golden tickets in one lifetime.
31:39Are you fucking kidding me?
31:41And then we set out and I had, again,
31:47one of the best experiences of my life.
31:49Abraham Lincoln, the president of the United States?
31:53Yes.
31:54Of America?
31:55Yes.
31:57Wrote you a letter personally.
32:00Yes.
32:01Personally as in dear Major Warren?
32:04No, personally as in dear Marquess.
32:06Dear Marquess, Abraham Lincoln,
32:08the president of the United States of America.
32:10It was eight people who went through that experience
32:14together with so much love and respect
32:17and admiration of the other.
32:19And daily, if it was one person in the scene,
32:22if it was two or if it was three,
32:25the rest of us, depending on who was up,
32:27you could be on camera,
32:30but the rest of us stayed there in the cold
32:34and watched every one of these masterclasses.
32:38Watched Quentin do his thing and Bob do his thing.
32:40His whole crew do his thing.
32:42And these actors do their thing.
32:45Everybody supported everyone.
32:49And it shows in the movie.
32:53So I guess it must be time for bed.
32:59Respectfully, Abraham Lincoln.
33:07Oh, Mary Todd, that's a nice touch.
33:12Yeah.
33:15Thanks.
33:18Am I the sheriff of Red Rock?
33:21You know,
33:24I asked Quentin that question.
33:26I said, that's for you to decide
33:28and I don't want to know your answer.
33:30And so I did decide and no one will ever know my answer.
33:36I'm a Virgo.
33:38So I did this show, I'm a Virgo, with Boots Riley.
33:43Like so many people, after Sorry to Bother You,
33:46I was blown away by that experience.
33:50And he reached out and he said,
33:53I have this thing that I'm working on,
33:54this character that I want you to play,
33:56this person I want you to play.
33:57And he is the owner of this comic book kind of empire,
34:03this kind of global media empire, if you will.
34:07And he eventually sent me the pages and I was reading it
34:11and I was like, oh my God, this is,
34:15people are going to lose their mind.
34:17A 13 foot black man walking the streets of Oakland
34:21and everything that this show is saying,
34:24it's so of its time and timeless simultaneously.
34:28And so we began talking about this person, Jay Whittle.
34:31I looked at it as him being a superhero
34:35going through a midlife crisis.
34:37I had a real specific idea of who this person was
34:41just because I'd been reading it for so long.
34:43When I showed up to go to work
34:48for the very first day to do a camera test, if you will,
34:51I walked into the makeup trailer
34:55and was getting some makeup applied
34:57and looked over at this like crazy long wig
35:00with a gray streak in it.
35:02And I thought, that's a fucking crazy wig.
35:06Like who's wearing that?
35:09And the woman said, what do you mean?
35:12I said, the wig, who's wearing that wig?
35:14And she said, boots didn't tell you?
35:17Tell me what?
35:18That's your wig.
35:20And I said, what?
35:22She said, yeah, he wants you to wear that wig.
35:24So I put the wig on, walked on stage,
35:27met Boots in person for the very first time,
35:30and without even saying hello, he just said,
35:33so what do you think about the wig?
35:35And I said, I don't know who this person is.
35:38I have no idea who this person is,
35:41but I'll wear it if you go on this journey with me
35:46and we find out tomorrow when I start work
35:49who this person is together.
35:51Because you can't control it,
35:53and I can't control it either.
35:55This wig is going to inform this entire experience.
35:59And he said, bet, let's do that.
36:03And then I showed up the next day
36:05and it was off to the races.
36:06And something about a superhero,
36:11something about a person with means
36:14going through an existential crisis
36:16who knows that the system that he is propping up is corrupt,
36:21that he is suffering under the weight of carrying the mantle
36:27or supporting a system that, in his heart,
36:31knows isn't sustainable and is unfair
36:35and fundamentally has to change.
36:38But like an alcoholic who, the closer he gets to sobriety,
36:44drinks more and more and more and more
36:45and more and more and more, the same with Jay Whittle.
36:49He can't change his universe, his way of thinking,
36:54because the world only makes sense
36:57if there is structure and law and order.
37:00And he is incapable of making the leap
37:03from this way of thinking, even though in his heart
37:06he knows it's wrong, to this way of thinking.
37:08And again, that's what Boots did for Jay Whittle
37:14and what he did for me and hopefully for people
37:16that watch the show, was fundamentally challenge
37:19the way that you think and give you an opportunity
37:22to evolve as a person and see some of these things
37:26for what they really are.

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