Anthony Mackie ('Twisted Metal'), Bowen Yang ('Saturday Night Live'), John Goodman ('The Conners' & 'The Righteous Gemstones'), Kelsey Grammer ('Frasier'), Ricky Martin ('Palm Royale') and Theo James ('The Gentlemen') join THR in Off Script With The Hollywood Reporter. The stars talk about overcoming fears, subverting expectations and the emojis that define them in this updated roundtable format hosted by Yvonne Orji.
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00:00I tell my boys, I'm like, yo, I'm the coolest motherf-
00:02I'm the dad everybody wants.
00:05Yeah.
00:06And my sons don't watch Marvel movies.
00:08They don't ask.
00:09They have no idea.
00:11Like, I'll FaceTime Sebastian.
00:13I'm like, yo, man.
00:14I'm like, yo, say what's up to my son.
00:15And he's like, hey, really?
00:17Dude!
00:19Hey, everyone.
00:20I'm Yvonne Orji, and welcome to the Emmy-nominated
00:23Off-Script with The Hollywood Reporter.
00:26We are here back again at the beautiful Georgian Hotel
00:29in Santa Monica, California.
00:31A place where for many years,
00:33countless friends have gathered to share a drink.
00:36Oh, thank you, baby.
00:37Maybe even share a room, but definitely share a laugh.
00:40Well, today is no different.
00:42We brought together six actors
00:43from TV's biggest comedies to toast each other
00:46and open up about their Hollywood journey.
00:49You'll hear from John Goodman
00:50of The Righteous Gemstones and The Conners,
00:53Kelsey Grammer of Frasier,
00:55Theo James of The Gentleman,
00:58Anthony Mackie of Twisted Metal,
01:00Ricky Martin of Pom Royale,
01:03and Bowen Yang of Saturday Night Live.
01:10As always, they are on the record,
01:13but maybe just a bit off-script with The Hollywood Reporter.
01:17Hey, Mikey, they're all yours.
01:20Thanks, Yvonne.
01:21Hi, I'm Mikey O'Connell.
01:22Welcome to the Comedy Actor Roundtable.
01:24Let's get started.
01:25We're gonna jump right in.
01:27What's the funniest or strangest feedback
01:30you've ever read or heard about yourself?
01:33Oh, no.
01:34Oh, that somebody criticized my toupee one time.
01:41I forget what film it was, but-
01:42That's fucking-
01:43You weren't wearing one.
01:44Yeah.
01:44Right.
01:45That's on the hair department.
01:47I don't own one.
01:48I got told I looked like Justin Bieber,
01:51and since then, everything I wear,
01:54I try to look, you know, 50 and above.
01:58Terrified that I will resemble the Biebs.
02:01Thankfully, I do.
02:02You're like, boy, he's a nice-looking kid.
02:03Yeah, I know, but it was when he was about 12.
02:06You're like Bieber on HGTV.
02:08Exactly.
02:11Yeah, I think they, now that you say that,
02:14they were talking about me in an article,
02:16and they put a picture of Enrique Iglesias.
02:18Oh, that's so good.
02:20That happened?
02:21Yeah.
02:22It happens, it's okay.
02:23I shaved my head once for a movie,
02:25and I was told that my head was too perfectly round
02:28that I looked like the brown ball on the pool table.
02:32I was like, well, first of all, that's a compliment, sir.
02:34I don't have any divots in my head.
02:36Yeah, perfection.
02:37But then, I never shaved my head again,
02:39because I was like, it's too perfectly round.
02:41I've received many reviews, many of them very bad.
02:45So, it would probably be one of those.
02:48I did a production of Othello years ago,
02:50and Christopher Plummer did Iago,
02:54James Earl Jones did Othello, and I played Cassio.
02:58And I think the review basically said,
03:00and Kelsey Grammer was just fine as Cassio.
03:03And that, to me, just sucked.
03:05Whatever it is.
03:06It would have been a great Desdemona.
03:07You would have been a great Desdemona.
03:08I would have been a great Desdemona.
03:10I had a woman tell me how much she admired
03:12my work on Cheers the other day.
03:13There you go.
03:17Probably some comment that was like,
03:19that guy's got an underbite.
03:21And I'm like, yeah, I do.
03:24It draws a little bit out.
03:25Very specific answer.
03:27Very specific feedback.
03:28It's strange feedback.
03:29I think that qualifies.
03:30I bet it was a dentist.
03:31But now with social media, it's crazy,
03:33because you just never know what you're gonna get.
03:34And people, we're behind a fake picture,
03:37and they can just say whatever they want.
03:40Would you set up a fake account
03:41just to troll people who troll you?
03:44I just block them.
03:45Too much time.
03:46I've been wanting to do it so bad.
03:51When I read that, who was it?
03:53Kevin Durant started a fake account
03:57just to troll people that were trolling him.
03:59I'm like, I salute you, my man.
04:02Just five minutes a day, right after your shower.
04:07You know?
04:07Okay.
04:08Too much work.
04:09You can have 50 good comments,
04:11and then that's one comment that can ruin it.
04:14So it's really good to just block.
04:16It feels good.
04:18John, I read that you consider yourself
04:21a people pleaser to this day,
04:23which I feel like could get you in trouble in Hollywood.
04:25Has it ever?
04:27To my detriment.
04:28Yeah.
04:29Yeah, it's one of the many things I'm working on.
04:33I mean, I'm not gonna smack somebody in the face
04:35for no reason, but it became too much work.
04:38I became devoid of any personality,
04:41and just trying to help.
04:43And then it brings a lot of things to it,
04:45a lot of layers that cost a lot of money to fix.
04:49Hollywood likes to put people in lanes,
04:52and I'm wondering, what are the parts
04:54that all of you are still occasionally offered
04:57that you're like, please no, not this again?
05:01I'll tell you this.
05:02I was the most famous actor on The Wire
05:04who wasn't on The Wire.
05:06And when The Wire was on TV,
05:09I was every criminal, every drug dealer,
05:12every rapper, every bad boy.
05:16And I was like, I went to Juilliard.
05:19Like, stop it.
05:21I'm not on The Wire.
05:23I couldn't.
05:24I auditioned.
05:25I didn't get on The Wire.
05:27Every black dude was on The Wire except me.
05:30So that was my thing.
05:32After that, I put my foot down,
05:34and I was like, no, like, gangsta hood dudes.
05:38I didn't wanna do that.
05:39Just because I did such a great job on The Wire,
05:42I proved that I could do that.
05:44So I don't need to do it again.
05:45You're so good at that.
05:49Wait, what part on The Wire did you audition for?
05:52I auditioned for Marlo.
05:53And all of those dudes,
05:54because I lived in New York at the time,
05:56all of those dudes were my friends.
05:58So one of my dear friends still to this day,
06:00Jamie Hector, got the role.
06:01So I would be, it got to the point
06:03where it was a joke between him and I.
06:05I would go around, and people would ask me for pictures,
06:08and I would take pictures as him.
06:10So people, it was just like you with Enrique.
06:13Like, people would, I'd be like, oh my God,
06:14I have this amazing picture with Jamie Hector.
06:16And I'm like, get the fuck away from me.
06:17They're like, Jamie Hector's an asshole.
06:19No.
06:23I'm kind of still amazed that the assistant trope
06:27is still so present in Hollywood
06:29for someone like me with an effeminate voice.
06:32It's like, they're still out there.
06:34And it's okay.
06:35It's like, it's fine.
06:37It's just, it does, if you think too hard about it,
06:40you go, oh, is it just an ornamental thing?
06:43Like, are we just ornamental people in society?
06:46And so, but I can't think too hard about it,
06:49otherwise I get, I spiral.
06:50I've heard you recently say that you sort of
06:55swindled your way into Hollywood.
06:58Did I?
06:58You're swindling your way into roles.
06:59I read that, I read that.
07:00Anthony read that.
07:01I read that.
07:02How did you agree?
07:03No, how do I swindle my way?
07:04You read.
07:05Scamming your way through Hollywood.
07:07I love the word swindle.
07:08What is the biggest scam that you've run?
07:10Oh my God.
07:11Show us the way.
07:12I don't know.
07:13I feel like that was probably just my self-deprecating way
07:15of being like, oh, I don't really know.
07:19I don't know how I figure into this.
07:20Like, that's what, I feel like I have my safe haven
07:23at SNL where I get to just sort of write
07:25whatever I want for myself.
07:27And I am, there's a little bit of anxiety
07:29around like leaving the nest and kind of being
07:32at the whim of other people and kind of giving that up.
07:37There is sort of a power.
07:38How did you get, what was your SNL entry?
07:41Just kind of auditioning and doing the, yeah.
07:43It was auditioning.
07:44And then Lauren brought me on as a writer for one season.
07:48And then he made me the cast after one season.
07:50And he said, you know, this was always my plan.
07:52Like, if I were to throw you out there without a paddle,
07:53then it would have set you up for failure.
07:55And it would have been, it would have been a sad story.
07:59And he was like, I just wanted to make sure
08:00you knew how the sausage was made.
08:01So therefore you could succeed as much as you possibly could.
08:05So it was very.
08:06I think you're awesome, man.
08:07Oh, thanks, Ricky.
08:08You too.
08:09Everyone here is fucking awesome.
08:10Ricky Martin.
08:11Hey, shut up.
08:12That's pretty, that's pretty cool.
08:15Thanks, Ricky.
08:16No, but Ricky, your last two roles were so different,
08:21but they had one through line,
08:23and that was shirtless in Florida,
08:26or LA, subbing for Florida.
08:27Is that by design, or that's what you're going for?
08:30Is that what Hollywood expects of you?
08:32You have a tattoo of that thing, shirtless.
08:34Actually shirtless.
08:35And that's, it's a part of,
08:35very important part of the deal.
08:39No, I mean, it's, it's, that's the way it was written.
08:43I mean, it's, it's, that's the way it was written.
08:46And the first one was the assassination of Johnny Versace.
08:48And, and, and, you know, it was Miami in the eighties.
08:53So I guess you wear your Speedos and you wear no shirt.
08:57And then now is Palm Beach in the late sixties.
09:03And you're a pool boy.
09:06You have, you're a caretaker.
09:09And, and Carol Burnett,
09:13the character once you have naked in the city, I guess.
09:16I don't know.
09:17You just go with it and you own it.
09:18And, and.
09:19But it's endemic to the story.
09:20It is part of the story.
09:21So you don't, you don't think about it twice.
09:23These are very deep, deep characters.
09:25And, and, and the story behind them are very intense.
09:29And, and that's the kind of thing I like to do.
09:31It's based on a book, was it?
09:33It's based on a book.
09:34And is that fiction or based on a real?
09:36No, it's fiction.
09:37Everybody wants to be part of this, this, this social club.
09:40It's the wealth of Palm Beach and the glamor
09:44and the fashion, but also the darkness behind it
09:47and, and their secrets and their, their, their pain.
09:51And, and, and this character knows that this
09:55everyone's secret and, and it's,
09:58it's a very powerful character.
09:59So I'm very happy to be half naked
10:01and half of the show.
10:01I don't care.
10:03I missed all that.
10:05I was just in West Palm.
10:06And there was no half naked Ricky Martin.
10:08It's always, always in one specific house.
10:14I went to the breakers.
10:15I was like, I was just there too.
10:17Yeah.
10:18I didn't see that either.
10:19That's stupid.
10:19I saw a lot of things, but yeah, 1960s, 1960s.
10:24Theo, you went straight into The Gentleman
10:26from White Lotus, which is the show
10:29that every actor seems to want to be on these days.
10:32Did that experience open any doors
10:35that you previously felt were closed to you?
10:37Yeah, definitely a hundred percent.
10:41I think because it's comedic, but then there's, you know
10:45it tackles fairly complex issues, you know, first season
10:49second season and then his other seasons as well.
10:51Of course, you know, with that season
10:53it's about sexual politics, gender, love, animal
10:58versus the kind of, you know, ephemeral it's, it's complex.
11:04And it, yeah, it definitely opened doors for sure.
11:08And I, and I loved playing that character.
11:09You know, he, he represented Americana to me for
11:14in its best and, you know, the problems with it, you know
11:16he's kind of front facing, front foot on the ground.
11:20He's, you know, his energy is outward, he's charming
11:24but then beyond that, he's quite calculating.
11:27So with The Gentleman, I kind of wanted to do some
11:30the opposite, which is, you know, very British and a twat.
11:34That's the right pronunciation.
11:36That's the right pronunciation, I asked for it.
11:40Looking back on all your careers, when was the time
11:43that you felt like you took your biggest risk?
11:47Hosting Saturday Night Live.
11:49Oh.
11:50That was a risk?
11:50The first time, I was scared to death.
11:54I didn't think I could do it.
11:55I thought I'd die once I opened the door for the monologue
11:59but it happened and it was, turned out to be the
12:05most fun I've ever had.
12:07And you were such a mainstay.
12:08Like, like people were clearly so happy
12:10that you were coming back.
12:11They made me feel at home, it was wonderful.
12:14That's really nice.
12:15But I was, I was, that's probably the most fear
12:18I've ever had.
12:19No one would look for it.
12:21No one would look for it.
12:23What were you afraid of?
12:24Were you afraid of the live actor?
12:25Oh, just stinking on ice and, you know, not being funny.
12:29Being fat on camera.
12:30Wait a minute.
12:31Just the worst.
12:35Because I admired the show so much.
12:37And yeah, I was definitely afraid of getting kicked
12:43out of the studio before the hour and a half was up.
12:47But it worked out.
12:47And how was the lead up to the week of show?
12:50Oh, it was, it was so busy.
12:53Did you feel nervous at that point or?
12:55Oh, absolutely, yeah.
12:56But I had such, I was working with such wonderful people.
13:01And then the stage manager, everybody took care of me.
13:03It was very scary, but so rewarding.
13:06It's just so much fun.
13:09I would let everybody know, I'm a mess right now.
13:11I'm super nervous.
13:14Help me here.
13:16I think they appreciate that.
13:17I think that's what they want to hear is that if you're
13:19like, if the host is feeling uneasy about anything,
13:21like let's help them out.
13:23Oh, really?
13:24I think so.
13:25That's good in a way.
13:26I think they take a lot of care there.
13:26Then you did it subsequently in the future.
13:2913 times.
13:30What?
13:31All right.
13:32You've done it 13 times?
13:33Oh, wow.
13:34In the old days.
13:35So, and so once you've done it once, did it feel lazy?
13:40Yeah, a second, I was still scared,
13:41but it felt like coming home again
13:43because we still had some of the same cast members.
13:45Kelsey, did you have a good experience?
13:46I did it a couple of times.
13:48I liked it.
13:49I had a great time.
13:51I'm trying to think.
13:51Phil Hartman was still alive then.
13:54Rob Schneider was on the show,
13:55and Adam Sandler, and Farley, too.
13:58Oh, wow.
13:59Yeah.
13:59Holy shit.
14:00I had a great time with them.
14:01I was so impressed with them.
14:02And of course, I couldn't get through it.
14:04I kept cracking up.
14:06Schneider's skit was something smells good
14:09in whatever, in Asphill or whatever it was.
14:13It was like, so, honey, what does that smell?
14:15And I said, just give me the cat's ass, will you?
14:18So, I'd grab a cat.
14:20Oh, that's better.
14:21I couldn't get through it.
14:23I just started laughing the whole time.
14:28I really enjoyed it.
14:29Shaquille was on one time with me.
14:31And so, at the end of the final tableau thing,
14:35good night, everybody, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
14:37he picked me up.
14:40Holy shit.
14:41I said, you know, I weighed 230 pounds at the time.
14:44And I said, shit, isn't that kind of hard?
14:47He said, no, you as light as a feather.
14:51And you're right about that nervous thing.
14:53You did it so much, though.
14:55I've never been a standup guy,
14:57because I was too scared of it.
14:59I just thought, I would hate to fail in that.
15:02I hope my monologue's always stunk.
15:04I even sang one.
15:07But I got through it, and then I read later
15:10that Tom Hanks said the most important thing
15:13you'll do is the monologue.
15:14Oh, now, great.
15:15Now, now.
15:16Now, now, now.
15:20I just wasn't good at it,
15:21so I figured, well, we'll just get through that.
15:24And we did one with Kirstie.
15:25Kirstie Alley hosted the show,
15:27and we all sang the cheer song with her.
15:30That was great.
15:31Great girl.
15:32Anthony, what's your biggest risk been?
15:34I feel like you've had such a diverse career.
15:37You started out working with Spike Lee
15:39and Catherine Bigelow, all these huge directors.
15:42You're a Marvel guy, and now you're playing
15:44this action-comedy, post-apocalyptic thing
15:48based on a video game.
15:49What's your, where do you feel comfortable,
15:51and where do you feel uncomfortable?
15:53I will say my biggest risk was probably the,
15:56I would say the saddest moment of my career.
16:00I did this show where it was 40 pages of dialogue,
16:04and it was just me.
16:05It was me against me talking to me.
16:08And you're getting the rut of people being like,
16:12oh, you know, play this guy 20 times,
16:15or do this 20 times.
16:16And I was like, I wanna see if I still got it.
16:20Like, if I'm a fail, I wanna fail
16:22going down guns a-blazing.
16:24And I read the script.
16:26I was like, I wanna do it.
16:27I went to go do it, and honestly did some of the best work
16:33I feel I've done as an actor in my 40 years of acting.
16:39And nobody saw it.
16:41Was it a movie?
16:42No, it was a show on Amazon.
16:44Yeah, I was sure it was a TV show.
16:46It really just humble-sauced the shit out of me.
16:50And ironically enough, it was this dude,
16:53something he said that a friend of mine sent to me,
16:57that it really just, it turned everything around for me,
17:02for my career, the way I perceived my career,
17:05and the work that I wanted to do.
17:06Did you go to Noka?
17:08I did, I did.
17:09It's a great place.
17:10It was an amazing school when I was there.
17:13We had to create and evolve out of nothing,
17:17and we did some of the craziest work,
17:19and clown work, and just everything.
17:23So, performing artists in New Orleans,
17:27and a lot of people went through this.
17:28Yeah, every Harry Connick Jr., all the Marcelluses.
17:31Yeah, Marcelluses.
17:32I met Wendell Pierce, who has kinda been
17:36my older brother since I was 13.
17:39Wendell Pierce pulled up to Noka in a Porsche,
17:45and he had on a white linen suit with a white hat,
17:50and he was coming to talk to the students.
17:52I'm 14 years old, and I'm like,
17:54who is this black dude in this Porsche
17:56with this linen suit?
17:57So, I run up to him after he talks.
17:59I'm like, man, I wanna be just like you.
18:01I'm gonna do everything you did.
18:02I'm gonna go to every, I'm gonna do everything you did.
18:04He's like, all right, kid, good luck.
18:06And he puts on his hat, and he gets in his Porsche,
18:08and he's like, skirt!
18:10Blew my mind.
18:10Wow.
18:11Oh, man.
18:13To this day, every time I see him,
18:15I'm like, fucking Wendell Pierce.
18:17He's so helpful.
18:18Yeah, he's huge.
18:20I mean, we grew up in the same neighborhood,
18:21so everything he did, he went to Noka, I went to Noka.
18:24He went to Juilliard, I went to Juilliard.
18:26He started on the stage, I started on the stage.
18:27Everything he did, I literally was in such awe of him
18:31that I just chased him around.
18:34He had carrots in his ass.
18:35I actually played against myself,
18:44and I, similarly to you, I put everything in it.
18:46I feel like I did some of my best work,
18:49and I always remember, and I didn't watch the show
18:54before the, you know, before you go to the premium,
18:57whatever, blah, blah, blah,
18:58because, you know, at the time, everyone was like,
18:59yeah, fuck yeah, this is fucking awesome.
19:02Yeah, everyone was like, okay,
19:04I'm feeling pretty good about this.
19:05I remember going down to the bar.
19:06I was ready to go to the premiere of it or whatever,
19:11and I looked at my phone, just on nothing,
19:13like New York Times, something else,
19:14and I was like, oh, God, I'll have another drink.
19:18And I was just like, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God.
19:25And then I had to fucking turn up to the thing,
19:27which I knew had been kind of destroyed.
19:28You know, like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
19:32Do you guys feel that, like,
19:33it's a little bit better to play opposite yourself
19:36because there are fewer variables there?
19:37Like, you are kind of on both ends
19:40knowing where you're coming from?
19:42I would say it's the hardest thing,
19:45because for me, I look at acting like a game of tennis.
19:48Like, when you hit the ball across the net,
19:49you need somebody to hit it back.
19:51Like, you can't volley by yourself,
19:53and you're just hitting a wall if you are.
19:54So you're looking at yourself,
19:55and you're like, I'm not getting anything.
19:56I'm not getting anything.
19:58You're shit, man.
19:59Oh, my God, this dude sucks.
20:02So it's weird when you don't have that other person
20:06to act against.
20:08Or to surprise you.
20:09Or to surprise you.
20:10Yeah, do something really.
20:11And you can lock yourself into performances
20:13that you find you don't like on the other side, can't you?
20:17Because you do something, and then on the return side,
20:20you're like, eh, but I don't have enough time,
20:23or I wanted to do something else.
20:24Yeah, it's tricky.
20:25You and John are both playing characters
20:27that you originated in the 80s.
20:30What could you get away with then that you can't now?
20:35And is there anything vice versa?
20:37You know, honestly, I don't think there's anything
20:38you couldn't get away with then
20:40that you can't get away with now, honestly.
20:41I mean, there's...
20:44I always tried to keep the level of the comedy up
20:47above a certain quality.
20:49So it was never my thing to go scatological,
20:52or to go diminish anybody.
20:57To try to make the level of comedy sort of aim up
21:01or play up to the audience.
21:02So I don't, I've never really been cursed by,
21:05oh, that was inappropriate, or that was like,
21:07well, what a terrible thing to do.
21:08I mean, the only thing I ever felt foolish about
21:10was trying to do a James Mason impression
21:12on Saturday Night Live, which sort of went rather well,
21:16but it was still, you know, it was still rather embarrassing.
21:21Well, I was at the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea,
21:26and Phil Hartman was just going crazy, you know?
21:29He just made me giggle.
21:30Was he Kirk Douglas?
21:31Yeah, yeah, he was Kirk Douglas.
21:33Mid-land.
21:36What a funny man.
21:38But no, I've never really encountered it,
21:41but I've never done jokes below the waist.
21:44I mean, we always had a standing rule
21:46about the Frasier show was always,
21:49we'd never make a joke about, you know, genitalia.
21:52It just wouldn't happen.
21:53We might suggest such a thing,
21:55but we would never really, you know,
21:56there was one scene where Frasier undid his belt
21:59because his dad told him to
22:00if he was feeling like he ate too much.
22:03It's about it.
22:05Below the waist.
22:06John, do you feel the same?
22:07I feel like the original iteration of Roseanne
22:10pushed a lot of new ground.
22:13Yeah, and perhaps it did at different times.
22:20I think Roseanne kissed Mariel Hemingway one time
22:23or vice versa, and that was pretty much unheard of
22:27at the time.
22:31None of us wanted to work stupid.
22:34We set the, I think Roseanne first said,
22:37it's just because we're poor doesn't mean it's stupid.
22:41And we tried to cue to that,
22:43and sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.
22:46Ricky, you've been working in entertainment
22:48since you were 12.
22:50In like every corner of the industry,
22:53is there still something that's on your list of things
22:56to do that you're really dying to try?
23:01Yes, I would love to do film.
23:05I think that's what I'm getting ready for,
23:08and I knock on wood, but it's my dream.
23:11It's my dream.
23:12I need to go back to theater, of course.
23:15I need to go back to Broadway,
23:16something I really want to do.
23:18Well, did you start when you were 12?
23:20It was a boy band, but for me it was theater
23:23because they told us what to wear, what to say,
23:25what to sing, how to move.
23:28It was stagecraft, five years of being part
23:31of the boy band, traveling around the world.
23:32It was beautiful.
23:34You learned a lot.
23:35I learned a lot, yes, of course, until I was 17.
23:38And then I went as a soloist.
23:41I started doing theater in Mexico.
23:43I did TV series in Mexico, in Argentina as well.
23:48It was Latin America.
23:49It was acting, but then something happened
23:51with music that I had to serve the wave.
23:55Because it was very powerful.
23:56Well, something definitely happened with music.
23:57Right?
23:58I mean, something happened, right?
23:59It happened the hell out of music.
24:00It was very, very powerful, very beautiful.
24:03And it was all a preparation to where I'm at today.
24:06What can I say?
24:07This is, this is, I would do it all over again.
24:10It's been a very beautiful life of entertaining.
24:13I would do it with you.
24:14Right, right, let's do it.
24:16Shirts on.
24:18Shirts on.
24:20Maybe not.
24:22What's on everyone else's bucket list?
24:24Theo, I heard recently that you want to play
24:27Henry VIII, which seems very against type.
24:30That's aggressive.
24:31No, that's cool.
24:32I thought you were gonna say a gamut
24:33of inappropriate things I'm saying.
24:34To that question.
24:36Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:38Yeah, yeah, I would.
24:39I like the, I've always been fascinated by him,
24:42the idea of someone who, because he became maniacal,
24:47he became obese and covered in boils
24:52and a terrible dictator, but he didn't start that way.
24:55So the idea of seeing someone evolve to that
24:59and what power does, and Britain at that time
25:02is an interesting, you know, it's a very interesting
25:05period of history because.
25:07He's fascinating.
25:08Yeah, they were kind of small fry.
25:09That's extraordinary.
25:10Yeah, and Henry VIII kind of put them back on
25:12the kind of, the European scene.
25:14His contribution to music.
25:15I mean, Greensleeves.
25:16Exactly, exactly.
25:16And also the single syllable per note.
25:20Yeah.
25:21They went away from the glissando stuff.
25:23Ah, ah, ah, ah, he said, no, no,
25:25everything's gonna be one syllable, one note.
25:28And that changed the whole, everything about
25:32religious music, everything about it.
25:33Handel's Messiah, I mean, based on that.
25:35He's an extraordinary contribution
25:37and he could fight like a son of a bitch
25:39when he was young.
25:39He was very athletic, yeah.
25:40And of course, he would always say to his wives,
25:41you know, don't lose your head.
25:42Ah.
25:44I did have a question about music related.
25:46The theme, the Frasier theme, how did that come about?
25:49Oh, that was just a whim for me because I thought,
25:52I've always wanted to sing a theme song.
25:54So I said, I'm singing it.
25:56And they said, okay.
25:58We weren't even gonna have one.
25:59I said, well, we're having one.
26:01And then you gave him that or you vibrated a punch?
26:03No, it just came off with the songwriter for the show,
26:07the guy that kind of did the incidental music
26:08and stuff as well, Bruce.
26:10He put together an idea and I sort of looked at it
26:14and I thought, well, I guess I could sort of jazz it up.
26:17But what's kind of interesting is,
26:21Joni Mitchell wrote a song called,
26:22you know, a man was telling me
26:24that I was running out of my head,
26:25the way I described it, better off dead than alive.
26:27And we kind of thought about that song
26:31when we were first shooting the pilot.
26:34So then it came up, but an interesting runaround
26:36is they're gonna shoot a movie about,
26:40Cameron Crowe's shooting a movie
26:41about Joni Mitchell's stroke
26:43and what she went through.
26:46And he's gonna take a clip from Frasier
26:47and put it in the movie because apparently
26:49she helped recover her ability to use language
26:52by watching Frasier.
26:53Oh my God.
26:55Absolutely blown away by it, very moved by it.
26:59And of course, I mean, she was, you know,
27:00miles and miles and, you know,
27:01free man in Paris and all that stuff.
27:03I mean, her music just blew me away when I was there.
27:07Oh, and I was just thinking,
27:08the most challenging two things I've ever heard,
27:10actually, really, were not so much that review.
27:13One was after I'd just played Beast in my days in Marvel.
27:17And they came up and said,
27:18we have the most wonderful next film planned.
27:23And we were, I mean, this was Lauren Donner.
27:26And she said, we're gonna go back in time.
27:30And so I suddenly had that sinking feeling of,
27:34oh, so I won't be in it.
27:36I think it's, so my performance as Beast will not be in it.
27:43That's what you're telling me.
27:44So sure enough, it went back in time.
27:47I was gone.
27:47So I thought, well, that was really exciting news for me.
27:51The other, my most favorite statement I ever heard
27:53was when I was in my 40s.
27:55Somebody said, you are the worst boyfriend I've ever had.
27:59So that's it.
28:00That's it.
28:01That's it.
28:04That's a great review.
28:05That was so exciting.
28:06Tell me about a time where you most wanted
28:10to walk off a job.
28:11I walked out of stage once.
28:13I left the tour.
28:14I was exhausted.
28:15I was sad.
28:16I was depressed.
28:17I was not happy with what I was doing.
28:19I had been working for two years nonstop,
28:23200 shows in two years.
28:25Jesus Christ.
28:26And I was in Australia
28:27and we still had two more weeks to go.
28:30We had to go to Argentina to do the final.
28:32And then everybody was going home.
28:34And I said, I'm not going to survive.
28:36I'm not going to, if we go to Argentina,
28:38I'm going to collapse and I'm going to collapse bad.
28:40I need to go home now.
28:42Please listen to me.
28:43I need to go home.
28:44I was begging my managers, everybody, you're crazy.
28:46We're almost there.
28:47Come on, let's do this.
28:48And I'm like, no, no, no.
28:50No, you don't understand.
28:51If we don't go back home now, this is going to get ugly.
28:54And I went back home and it was the best decision
28:56I ever made.
28:58It was the best decision.
28:59How much did it cost you?
29:01It was a lot of money.
29:03It was a lot of money, but it was my health.
29:05And it was my state of mind, my mental health,
29:08physical health.
29:09And I just wanted to be home.
29:11I wanted to be with my dogs.
29:13And this is not only two years,
29:14this is a decade of not being able to say no.
29:18Yes, let's do this.
29:19Yes, let's do it.
29:20Yes, yes.
29:20People pleasing, people pleasing, people pleasing.
29:22And that last year I was angry.
29:24I was not enjoying the music.
29:28I was not happy with the applause.
29:30The arena was full, packed up.
29:32Every stadium was full.
29:33And I was just sad.
29:35And I couldn't take it anymore.
29:36So I went back home.
29:38And we're still here.
29:39This is 20-something years ago.
29:40Oh, wow.
29:41I just needed a break.
29:43And if you're numb to all that stimulus,
29:44like in the arena, like if that's doing nothing for you,
29:47it's a huge red flag.
29:50Oh my God, yeah, yeah.
29:52I mean, I feel like a lot of people
29:54reach a point in their career like that
29:55where they're like, I'm just doing it for myself now.
29:58Has anyone else had that sort of like moment
30:00where they're like, oh, I'm not gonna take this part
30:03that my agent really wants me to do,
30:04or I'm gonna take some time off
30:07even though I'm really like hot right now?
30:09I had to have kids help that for me personally
30:12because I was very into, yeah, I think, you know,
30:16you're a product, you're kind of selling a product,
30:18which is yourself in some ways,
30:19especially when you're starting out.
30:22But I guess having kids suddenly,
30:25you realize that some of it doesn't matter, you know?
30:29Like it doesn't matter in the broad scheme of things.
30:31And that gave me a bit of perspective.
30:33Because when I was a young actor,
30:34I was just like, ah, I'm rather hungry,
30:36and I have to jump from job to job
30:38and fucking all that stuff.
30:40But it gave me a bit of perspective
30:42where I'm like, I don't wanna take your kids out of school
30:46or do that just because it seems sexy
30:49or whatever at the time.
30:50That gave me a bit of perspective.
30:53And obviously stopping taking all the class A drugs
30:55helped as well, so I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.
30:57I'm just kidding.
30:58All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.
31:00All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.
31:04Anyone else?
31:05No, I would agree with that.
31:06My kids changed a lot for me, dude.
31:09My dad, you know, dropped out of school in eighth grade.
31:13My mom went to a Negro-appointed high school.
31:16So looking at that, I left home with $435.
31:21So I wanna give my kids the opportunity of leaving home
31:25with the advantage that all my classmates had
31:29when I got to school.
31:31Like, I had a classmate who, you know,
31:34backpacked across Europe for a year after high school.
31:37I was like, how the hell?
31:39You just walked across a, what?
31:41That's a thing?
31:42That's a thing?
31:45That's a thing?
31:46That's a what?
31:46It's a thing?
31:47Like, coming from New Orleans,
31:49every day was a, you know, an idea
31:52of how are you gonna eat?
31:54That's a struggle.
31:55So having kids now and looking at my kids,
31:57I'm like, I never want them to experience the struggle.
32:02I want them to have the pain.
32:04I want them to know what it takes
32:06that the regular American man experiences
32:09trying to put a meal on the table,
32:10but I don't want them to have the pain.
32:13I mean, the struggle.
32:13You know, so it's a dangerous negotiation.
32:17Yeah, you can't spare them.
32:19You kind of have to set them up, not for failure,
32:21but for the idea that they're gonna have to fight for it.
32:24You're gonna have to fight for it.
32:25Yeah, if you just give them anything.
32:28It doesn't matter if they don't fight for it.
32:30I tell my boys, I'm like, yo, I'm the coolest mother.
32:32I'm the dad everybody wants.
32:36And my sons don't watch Marvel movies.
32:38They don't ask.
32:39They have no idea.
32:42I'll FaceTime Sebastian.
32:43I'm like, yo, man.
32:44I'm like, yo, say what's up to my son.
32:45And he's like, hey, look, dude.
32:49Like, it's just, it's really, they don't,
32:51to them, I'm dad, of course.
32:54You know, and that's what I've been working so hard towards.
32:59But what is that cutoff point
33:02when you decide to coach soccer
33:06as opposed to filling the coffers for their future?
33:09Yeah.
33:10Do you think living in New Orleans helped as well?
33:12Just kind of a little bit of, you're not here or whatever.
33:16Oh, yeah, living in New Orleans,
33:18I mean, the cost of living in New Orleans is 35 cents.
33:21But is it, I mean, with your kids being kind of
33:23in a nice way, not super interested in, you know.
33:28Yeah, they're out of touch.
33:29They're out of touch completely
33:30with the world of the business.
33:34And all of their friends are like normal friends.
33:37All of their friends' parents
33:39are like working class people.
33:40So it's not an idea of, oh, well, you know,
33:44me and, you know, Jamie Foxx's son are hanging out
33:48on a yacht.
33:49Like, no, it's, you know, it's not plumber to the stars.
33:53It's like, no, my boy is a plumber.
33:56And when our kids get together, it's like his kids
33:58and my kids, just regular little, you know, kids.
34:02And that's something that I've experienced
34:04that I've always wanted to curate for them
34:06by living in New Orleans.
34:08It's the only city in the world you sit on your couch
34:10and you hear a tuba.
34:12It's like, yo, bro, yo, bro,
34:14it's the second line coming down the street.
34:16So I make a, you know, a iced beverage
34:20and I pull him outside and we walk down the street
34:23with a second line, you know, then we walk home
34:26and we're like, man, that was amazing.
34:28You know, and it's really cool.
34:30And then, yeah, it's just, it's those experiences
34:33that you have to, you know, tap into.
34:36What is the best feedback, professionally,
34:39that you've gotten from your children
34:41or in your case, obviously, the most humbling?
34:44Yes.
34:44Lack of feedback.
34:45Lack of feedback.
34:46You saw my movie?
34:47Nah.
34:48Come on, Dad, you can do better.
34:50Oh, no.
34:51And what?
34:54Last night was better, Dad.
34:56It's a last night performance.
34:57With your shows.
34:58With my shows.
34:59Come on.
35:00In theater, no, in the V-Town,
35:01there were like five or six, like,
35:03yeah, last night was better, Dad.
35:05That's how it goes, son.
35:06Yeah, some days are better than others.
35:08That's true.
35:09Thank you, I'll make a note of it.
35:12My kids are most thrilled about cartoon performances.
35:15Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:17My voiceover, Dad, I've got a new,
35:19I'm playing a toilet bowl on the Patrick Starr show
35:21next week, they're thrilled about that.
35:24My nine-year-old wants to come and see,
35:27watch the recording and see how it goes.
35:29That's true.
35:31It's great.
35:32Owen, I'm going to throw it over.
35:34I don't have kids.
35:35Another quote that you have back in your face.
35:37Okay, uh-oh.
35:38You said in the same interview
35:40where the other made-up quote happened
35:42that this was the season that you sort of
35:45really let go on SNL.
35:48What does that look like in the writer's room and on stage?
35:51I think I kind of threw out any preconceived notions
35:55that I had about myself,
35:56because I think I was absorbing
35:58other people's expectations, right?
35:59Like, I think I was playing a lot of
36:02campy, loud, broad characters for a while.
36:07It's a sketch show, there's room for that.
36:09It kind of celebrates that more than anything else.
36:11But look, I will reveal to this table,
36:16we wrote, and it was a purely loving tribute
36:19to Sylvester Stallone, but we were talking about Stallone
36:23and I was like, I think I've got a Stallone.
36:25I think I've got a Sly.
36:26I'm not going to do it here.
36:27But that was, I think, internally,
36:30to the people that work at the table read,
36:32they saw that, I think people were like,
36:33I didn't know you could do that.
36:35I think people are kind of locked into
36:37an idea of what any of us as performers can do.
36:40It's like that type thing we were asking about earlier.
36:42And I think letting go this season has meant
36:46kind of building from scratch again,
36:49which has been really nice.
36:50I never thought I'd have that reset.
36:53It's not comfort.
36:54I think if you're comfortable at any place,
36:57or if you're comfortable at SNL,
36:58then that's probably not a good sign.
37:01But I think that's what I probably meant by that.
37:06I remember saying that.
37:08I read that.
37:13Can everyone tell me about the weirdest fan interaction
37:17they've ever had?
37:18Mine have always been good.
37:19I mean, honestly, never bad.
37:21I was doing a front page on Broadway about six years ago
37:25and during previews,
37:28a troop of four or five people came in to the second row
37:33and they went to the first row
37:36and they started telling me how much they loved me.
37:38At one point, they had drinks on the stage
37:41and shit like that.
37:42That was pretty weird.
37:44Really loud.
37:45And I just wanted to jump down there.
37:47And I kept going and got off
37:53and then they threw him out.
37:54But that was strange.
37:59That's the one that springs to mind anyway.
38:01I'm sure there are many more.
38:02I had one where I was at a bar
38:06and these people were sitting opposite
38:08and we were just having a glass of wine, whatever.
38:10And the girl goes, excuse me?
38:13And I was like, oh God.
38:16Your fly is undone.
38:20Also, love the show.
38:21But in a cutting way, I was like, do you?
38:24I'm very confused about this whole interaction.
38:27Lift up my forehead, what the heck is going on?
38:29Oh my God.
38:31Something similar on Broadway as well.
38:33I was doing Les Mis in Italy live theater.
38:39And she was dying in my arms
38:41and it was that final moment of final breath
38:44from the last row of the audience.
38:47Ricky, I love you.
38:49No.
38:52She resurrected?
38:53And she went back to death.
38:57It's like, ugh.
38:59Or like in the silent moments.
39:00In the silent moments.
39:01When you hear someone just be like, come on.
39:02You leave the story.
39:06Or the candy wrap.
39:09Cameras.
39:12Anthony, is it Marvel?
39:14No, actually I was in Vancouver shooting Alter Carbon.
39:18And this is a very long story,
39:19so I'm truncated drastically and miss a lot of points.
39:23See this young lady across the bar.
39:25So I tell the bartender, yo,
39:26tell her come over and say hello.
39:27She moves her way around the bar.
39:30And everybody in the restaurant's like, he's so nice.
39:32Because I went to this restaurant like every day
39:35because they had an Oyster Happy Hour.
39:36She comes around the bar.
39:38She's like, can we take a picture?
39:39Like, look, I can't take a picture with you.
39:41Everybody in the restaurant's looking.
39:42She goes, oh no.
39:43She starts crying.
39:44And everybody in the restaurant's like, you're an asshole.
39:46And I was like, well, give me your phone.
39:48If you're discreet,
39:48I can hold the camera down and take a picture.
39:50She goes, oh my God.
39:51And everybody in the restaurant goes, yay.
39:53So I take the picture and I tell her,
39:55you have photo approval.
39:57If you don't like it, we can take another one.
39:59Everyone's hearts melts.
40:00She looks at it.
40:01She goes, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
40:04And she pukes from here
40:09all the way down to my shoe.
40:12And this is after two dozen oysters, a lobster.
40:16She runs out of the restaurant.
40:19The waiter comes and he's like, dude.
40:23He scoops me up.
40:25He takes a tablecloth, wraps me,
40:27and takes me back to the oyster wash off.
40:30Closes me down in the oyster wash off.
40:34The shoes don't shock you.
40:37They take my clothes.
40:39He goes across the street to like TJ Maxx
40:41and gets me like some sweatpants
40:42and like a graffiti T-shirt.
40:46And I come back out and this woman like,
40:48I'm sorry, can I take a picture?
40:52Same lady.
40:53No.
40:54Same lady.
40:55Oh.
40:56Wrong timing.
40:56Who saw me.
40:57Wrong timing.
40:58Walking out thinking I'm leaving the restaurant.
41:00Oh.
41:01Raw oysters from here.
41:04Oh.
41:05Oh, delicious.
41:06Before we wrap things up,
41:07we're gonna do a lightning round.
41:10What did everyone spend their first big paycheck on?
41:15Your first sort of like, I'm doing okay splurge.
41:18I bought a house.
41:20Big dog.
41:21Yeah.
41:22First one.
41:24I'm gonna catch my sweater, but okay.
41:27I built my dream car.
41:28I found a 1964 and a half Mustang in Tuxedo, New York.
41:33Brought it back down to Brooklyn
41:34to Christian Camargo's garage
41:37and worked on it for like three years
41:38and built it myself.
41:39Yeah.
41:40That's cool.
41:41Yeah.
41:42That's really cool.
41:43I also bought a home and I gave the down payment
41:46of an apartment for two of my best friends.
41:48Oh.
41:49I will rock with you.
41:51Yeah.
41:52Yeah.
41:53Yeah.
41:53I hate that.
41:54You'll die.
41:55It's cold.
41:56You know what I mean?
41:57This is a pretty apartment.
41:58That's pretty cool.
41:59Yeah.
42:00Should we hang out more?
42:00Yeah.
42:01Yeah.
42:02Yeah.
42:03I bought similar.
42:04I bought an MGB GT for $1,200.
42:06Oh, nice.
42:07I mean, it didn't run,
42:08but over the years I've done it.
42:09You took care of it?
42:10You still have it?
42:11I still have it.
42:12Oh, dude.
42:13Come on.
42:14We're going cruising.
42:15Awesome.
42:15Awesome.
42:16Beautiful car, yeah.
42:17The most gratifying thing was able to get my mom a house.
42:18Ah.
42:19That was great.
42:21It's been cars and real estate this whole time.
42:24I was just going to say like,
42:24I bought Gucci shoes.
42:26Yeah.
42:27Yeah.
42:28Equally great.
42:29One man's Gucci shoes.
42:29One man's shoes.
42:30Your shoes are great.
42:31It's all her shoes.
42:33What's the inevitable question that you always get asked
42:36that you just never want to hear again?
42:38Cock size.
42:39What?
42:40What?
42:40What?
42:42I'm sorry.
42:42That's interesting.
42:43What did you say?
42:45Cock size.
42:46That's it.
42:46Cock size.
42:47I thought you said cap size.
42:48He was so mad at me too.
42:50He was so ready.
42:52He was so ready.
42:53His sleep shot was pulled back.
42:55I'm glad I shot her.
42:56Ha ha ha.
42:58He's like,
42:59somebody go ask this shit.
43:00I got it all.
43:00I'm ready.
43:01I'm ready.
43:02I'm ready.
43:03Oh my God.
43:04It's usually,
43:05honestly,
43:05the most difficult one to answer is,
43:08you know,
43:08how do I get an acting career?
43:10You know,
43:11that's what I get asked most of the time.
43:12And I say,
43:12well,
43:13act.
43:14Go out and find a place to act.
43:15That's what you got to do.
43:16If you really believe in it,
43:17just go do it somewhere.
43:19Do it at your church.
43:20Do it at your local playhouse.
43:21Do it in your school.
43:22Whatever it's going to be.
43:23Get somewhere with a great play and read it.
43:25Read it out loud.
43:27Look in the mirror.
43:28Do what you got to do to make sure
43:29that you're connected to the emotional life
43:31of the character.
43:32And if you're any good at it,
43:34you'll find out pretty quick.
43:36He answered it.
43:37Never ask it again.
43:38Ha ha ha.
43:40Mine is take a picture.
43:42Can I take a picture?
43:44They,
43:45I've had many experience.
43:47Cause you don't know what social reality
43:49you're tying yourself to.
43:50You don't know what that person
43:51going to use that picture for.
43:53You don't know how,
43:54you know,
43:55because of the Kardashians,
43:56we're kind of put in this reality
43:57where we looked at as tools,
44:00as vessels,
44:01as opposed to artists.
44:04And there's been several experiences now
44:07where people have taken a picture with me
44:09and use them for ways that I don't deem,
44:14you know,
44:15the right way.
44:15So because of that,
44:18I just,
44:18I choose not to be a part of your social reality.
44:21You know?
44:22It is interesting that the melding of,
44:25you know,
44:26actors and celebrities,
44:27where there used to be more different.
44:28Completely different.
44:29People,
44:30they're conflated into the same thing.
44:31Right.
44:32But it's like,
44:33I have no interest in that other part.
44:34Right.
44:34It's the job.
44:35It's what I do.
44:36You know?
44:37Yeah.
44:38But the assumption that you're that as well is.
44:39Right.
44:40I have people tell me all the time,
44:41well,
44:42this is what you signed up for.
44:44I'm like,
44:45I'm like,
44:45that's crazy.
44:47You're telling a girl that because she got put on a cute
44:50dress and went to a bar,
44:51she signed up for me to harass her all night.
44:53No.
44:55No.
44:56In this day and age,
44:57we literally learned that we have to respect everyone's
44:59no.
45:00So if I tell you no,
45:02respect it.
45:03And there's a reason for that.
45:04For me,
45:05it's,
45:06not to make it about work again,
45:07but it is always people asking,
45:09what is the week like at SNL?
45:10Because it's such a long answer.
45:12Because it's like,
45:13you have to go down.
45:14Second question.
45:14Ah!
45:15I'll tell you Monday.
45:16Make a form letter.
45:17What's that?
45:18Make a form letter.
45:19I know it is like,
45:19it's like what Kelsey is saying.
45:20It's like,
45:21it is a long,
45:22it's,
45:23it's like,
45:24if you give people that advice about acting,
45:25it's like,
45:25that's the advice they don't want to hear.
45:27I know.
45:28You know what I mean?
45:28And like,
45:29I'm about to give you such a boring,
45:30dry,
45:31like,
45:32rundown of what the week is like.
45:33And you know,
45:33it's,
45:34it's,
45:35it's when you feel like you've disappointed them in your
45:36answer that you feel like,
45:37oh,
45:38well.
45:39Totally.
45:39Or,
45:40in your answer,
45:41they're like,
45:42yeah,
45:43I want an answer.
45:44I want an answer.
45:44They're like,
45:45get in the phone ready.
45:46Just wanted a picture.
45:47Shut up and take a picture.
45:48Get in the phone ready for the picture.
45:49There's a game,
45:50and it probably doesn't happen with you guys,
45:53but,
45:54it's like,
45:56where do I know you from?
45:57Yeah.
45:57Oh.
45:59You want to,
46:00and I'm like,
46:00I don't know.
46:01Whatever.
46:02And it's a fucking,
46:03and then you're getting up and they're like,
46:04no, no, no, wait, wait, wait.
46:05And it's a game and blah,
46:06blah, blah.
46:07And then,
46:07you know,
46:08they expect you to reel out your CV and they're like,
46:10no,
46:11never heard of that.
46:12It's all shit.
46:13No, no.
46:14It's like that game of kind of,
46:16it's like,
46:17if someone's going to just say,
46:18you know,
46:19oh, hey,
46:20notice,
46:21whatever,
46:21that's fine.
46:22It's an interaction,
46:23but a kind of,
46:24a free song that someone wants to happen in a kind of sexy
46:27way.
46:28You know,
46:28what is this?
46:30That's,
46:31I find that irritating.
46:32That question,
46:33Ricky,
46:34are you gay?
46:35Are you kidding me?
46:36You don't know by now?
46:36What are you talking about?
46:39Are you sure?
46:41That's a wrap.
46:43I read that.
46:44I read that.
46:45I read that.
46:46Okay.
46:47Okay.
46:48I wish people would ask me.
46:51No.
46:54And to end things on a very serious note,
46:56what is the most frequently used emoji on your phone?
47:02You better not say eggplant.
47:04No.
47:05I'm not an eggplant guy.
47:08I think for me,
47:10there is such a thing.
47:11There is.
47:11There's a thing.
47:12There's a thing.
47:13I'm more of a cucumber guy.
47:14I'm a cucumber guy.
47:15I'm a cucumber guy.
47:16It's got the slices.
47:18I'm a realistic shape.
47:19It's in a more.
47:20Realistic shape.
47:21It's more phallic.
47:23I,
47:24the upside down smiley face.
47:25It conveys so much.
47:27It conveys a lot.
47:28I just,
47:29I mostly just
47:31use it with my wife.
47:32It's just a heart one.
47:34Aw.
47:34Aw.
47:35Aw.
47:36Come on.
47:37I'm single.
47:38Yeah.
47:42Fuck, no.
47:43The kind of face.
47:45Like that.
47:47Because I'm often cringing myself
47:48and other people around me out.
47:50High five.
47:52Feet and peach.
47:54Oh.
47:55Oh, the peach.
47:57I hear it, that peach.
47:58The peach.
47:59Yeah.
48:00The peach.
48:01Yeah, nothing like a nice peach.
48:01Feet, and peach.
48:04We know.
48:05We know what you're feeling.
48:06We know.
48:07Cucumber, cucumber, cucumber.
48:09Cucumber, cucumber, cucumber.
48:11Cucumber, cucumber, cucumber.
48:13Very interesting.
48:15That's so good.
48:17You know, I've been trying, there's a face,
48:19like, I call it the gas face.
48:21Or like the, like you bullshitting face.
48:23Like when you look at somebody and you go...
48:25Yeah.
48:27There's no emoji for that.
48:29So they need that.
48:31So I usually do the side eye face,
48:33where it's a smile.
48:35Like that.
48:37But that's the closest you can get to this.
48:39Right.
48:41I know, I know.
48:43I don't know how that little emoji would look.
48:45It would have to be like the little yellow dude
48:47that you can make black.
48:49And he would have to go,
48:51you should copyright it.
48:53You should just do it.
48:55I know what I'm doing right now.
48:57There's a future in that face.
48:59No true soul.
49:01Mine is none.
49:03Interesting.
49:05I was told recently that using punctuation
49:07is aggressive.
49:09And to me, I think it's so lame
49:11that we have reduced
49:13our communication skills to
49:15emojis and stuff like that.
49:17I find it diminishes
49:19our ability to communicate.
49:21Yeah, and so I'm a punctuation guy.
49:23Is it because your last name is Grammar?
49:25Probably.
49:27It was when I was in
49:29sixth grade, it was.
49:31I get Mr. Grammar to answer.
49:33Okay, that's an object of a preposition.
49:39I think it's important for us
49:41to communicate as
49:43well as we possibly can.
49:45In the best possible way.
49:47So I find it,
49:49I'm annoyed by emojis.
49:51I don't like getting them, and I never send them.
49:53Fuck, you should have gone first.
49:55We all degraded us.
49:57I'm going to change my answer.
49:59You're cutting this up, right?
50:01Thank you all so much for doing this.
50:03Let's raise a glass.
50:05Thanks, Yvonne.
50:11Gentlemen, all right, we're back.
50:13Wonderful to see you, man.
50:17Well, that was an exciting conversation.
50:19And I guess I did drink that drink.
50:21When did that happen?
50:23I have another.
50:25Until next time, I'm Yvonne Orji,
50:27and this has been Off Script with
50:29The Hollywood Reporter.