During a Joint Economic Committee hearing last week, Rep. David Schweikert (R-AZ) & Rep. Don Beyer (D-VA) questioned witnesses about gamification and helping people learn how to use AI.
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00:00I just just to stick in the back of your head and it's a slight non sequitur as you were talking about teaching people
00:07technology literacy
00:08What's our only success function in the last decade of getting?
00:13Americans to actually exercise we've spent hundreds of billions. This is somewhat of a trick question and he may he already knows the answer
00:22It was gamification. It was Pokemon go
00:26I know that sounds absurd
00:27but if you actually look at the data Pokemon go did more to get people out chasing the little and
00:34We've often had this running discussion. What would happen if that type of technology saying here's how I train you how to
00:42understand how to work chat GPT the gamification of even down to health care and
00:47maintaining if
00:49Drug adherence is 16% of all US health care when I forget to take my stat and when I don't do those things
00:54How do I make it so my pill bottle cap beeps at me or those sorts of things?
00:59That's there are solutions that are genuinely ahead of us
01:02And we're actually struggling saying is there a unified theory of the ability to use this technology?
01:07Disruption when I call the IRS the person I'm talking to is actually a chat GPT
01:12But it stays on the phone with me and it helps me fill out my forms and then maybe texts me the form I need
01:20Instead of someone who's been dealing with crazy for seven hours and doesn't really want to be on the phone with me
01:26and that's actually going on right now and so far the early data of the IRS experiment of
01:31Using a chat bot has been apparently really good
01:36That's human so if it be from the cures to the education to the you know miracles of producing new
01:44Materials and
01:46We're trying to help us sort of build the the argument that
01:52you know many of us aren't that bright, but we get to sit here and
01:56Read things that smart people write for us
01:58But how do we create a unified theory of let the technology run because God forbid?
02:04None of us truly know what it's gonna look like a few years from now
02:08Richard chairman will you yield for question? I thought you're gonna tell us it was pickleball
02:14rather than
02:16You know, I don't like you anymore. I
02:19Tried one pickleball my eight-year-old beat me. I
02:24mean
02:25Could I just a wholeheartedly endorse what?
02:28Dr. Howard had to say about digital literacy AI literacy because this is really important
02:32First of all representative Rochester has a really nice bill on
02:35Digital AI literacy that I think we should take a look at that's really good stuff
02:39And when we talk about this, you know AI literacy digital literacy
02:43We're talking about, you know learning for life, you know
02:46No matter what kind of punches come at us
02:48We can roll with those punches and figure out how to adapt when we know more about the technology
02:52It's about building resiliency societal and individual resiliency. And you know people sometimes laugh at this. I was on a I was a co-chair of an
03:01Obama administration online safety and security task force
03:04We're like the only thing anybody in the room could agree on was the importance of digital etiquette literacy
03:09So there's a lot of agreement on this. This is a good place to start
03:12It's a good foundation for building that resiliency and some people say well, that's not enough. Okay, fine
03:17We'll find other remedies, but it can go a long way
03:19You know
03:20I'm old enough to remember the problems we had in this country with littering and forest fires back in the 60s and 70s and I
03:26Remember well, I'm sure some of you up there too as well that you know, give a hoot don't pollute we address that right?
03:31We went after woodsy, you know woods of the owl and things like that with smoky the barren forest fires
03:36We we made a huge difference just with societal education about the problems of littering and forest fires
03:42Right, that wasn't a law that passed that was actual societal learning
03:46It was wrong to throw things out your window of your car, right?
03:50So you apply that mentality to the world of like digital and AI policy and we talked about again AI etiquette
03:56Etiquette if you will like proper behavior using algorithmic services and technologies using LLM's using, you know, these systems
04:03I want to go and actually I also want
04:06Mr. Byer to comment on this and you know
04:09You teach students you already have you have to deal with lots of freaky smart people most of them bathe I assume
04:16That's actually really funny. If you know some of her scientists
04:20How do I deal with my brothers and sisters here who aren't Don Byer who are almost fearful of technology
04:28I mean, you know, what do we do to take away? I mean, I swear they
04:35Instantly think of a Terminator movie. I
04:37Mean what do you do? I mean in health care
04:40I can't tell you the I'm gonna forgive my elegance in my language the crap I take
04:46When I basically say the same things you have at forums of my here's my health care costs
04:50here's things we could do to disrupt it using technology and
04:54I will get administrators and this and that that come and say well we can't do that. It might be against our state law
05:02So technology allows us to operate at a higher level. I have a terrible sense of direction, right?
05:07So I use Google Maps and uber lift to get places
05:12I don't pick up a rotary phone and call my friends to ask for directions and write them down a notepad
05:18Right that the norm after you look it up in the phone book, right?
05:21Yeah
05:22I don't even have a don't even have a phone book in the house anymore and you know
05:25my iPhone
05:26organizes my calendar and email and tells me where to go and what to do because a little absent-minded and that's the
05:33Standard like that's the standard of my day
05:35and I think if we make that analogy over to health care where right now we have the
05:41Rotary phone and we actually a single-handedly keep the fax machine lobby employed
05:47We have an opportunity to totally transform that so that the clinical example is like if your blood pressure is really
05:54Relatively low and you have septic shock and you're going to the ICU and you're getting pressors
05:58They have to stick some big IV in your neck
06:0130 years ago if they they did that they just look at anatomical landmarks and put the put the IV in and and hope that
06:08You know, they didn't hit your carotid artery, which would be bad now
06:12Use ultrasound you do ultrasound guided you have a little probe and you take a look and if you try to do it the other
06:17Way, the nurse would one run screaming into the room telling you that you're about to be negligent and doing something bad
06:24And the now that the answer here is is that technology will allow us to do a safer more effective job
06:31It will become the standard and at some point to actually not use technology will be negligent
06:40You get the list
06:43Well, first of all on your comment on gamification
06:46I wanted to show you David that I'm on day 643 on Duolingo. I'm so proud of you
06:53And that's only because the gamification and but but but it makes my point
06:57I know I'm ringing 1130 at night if I forgot to do it
07:00So, oh, so that's what I want from pill bottle caps when you don't take your stat
07:05and
07:06Dr. Carrio, so I
07:09Was very impressed with all that you your testimony, but especially the notion that scientific machine learning
07:16Sandia's fusing machine learning with scientific principle to solve scientific and engineering problems
07:21For me that is
07:23Maybe the most exciting part of AI not not chat GPT for five or six or seven
07:28But the notion that everything from fusion energy to how our biology works, etc
07:35Etc that you can use machine learning the first the predictive parts of AI to figure things out
07:41Can you expand on that as a scientist? I
07:44Would love to thank you for the question
07:46You know, I think
07:48To me, this is this is the really exciting potential, right?
07:51I mean chat GPT has shown us how it can change our daily interactions
07:56and you know, I was able to put my written testimony into our internal chat engine and ask it if it was
08:03You know helping me make it a little less technical and more general and it was great for providing me with a first draft in
08:08editing
08:10But that's just been trained on the corpus of knowledge. That's in the Internet. I think
08:16What I get really excited about is the transformative potential of training models on science data
08:21So that I have my chemist intern with me that can help me discover new science properties
08:26That can then help me think through the physics and thermal and mechanical stresses to design a part that can be manufactured
08:35Today, right we can just go from a new material to something that can be in our hands and usable and transform
08:43not just
08:44How we do medicine and how we interact with patients, but how we make things in the country
08:49and so AI has the potential if we do it and we constrain it with science so that these concepts of hallucination and
08:57Statistically guessing what the next answer should be based on what it's learned. We can constrain that with physics and chemistry and science data
09:05We can then do new manufacturing
09:07We can make digital twins of the human body to take the drug discovery from decades down to months
09:14Maybe a hundred days for the next vaccine
09:18Buyer anything fellow
09:20no, but I'm so glad that you're doing that and I one of the things we don't talk about much is
09:26As somebody ran a small business for many many years the notion that one of the most important technologies is management
09:34We don't tend to think of it that way
09:36But the way we can the way we can explore the use of artificial intelligence
09:41To make management much better and management decisions much better. Once again to the issue of
09:47Making our world much more efficient dealing with a hundred thousand dollars per second that we borrow and if we're lucky
09:53We'll replace members of Congress with something intelligent. Never mind
09:57And they've called votes on for us on the house side. So
10:02Will it be short? Yeah. Yeah, you sure? I'm positive. Okay, dr. Howard you started zyrobotics
10:10And you also made
10:12What's it say?
10:14STEM tools and learning games for children with diverse learning needs. Yes, I'd love
10:19You know the the chair of our AI task force
10:23J McObernolte, dr. Obernolte
10:26Machine learning masters from Caltech. So sort of a smart guy and he made his fortune in video games
10:33I'd love to get your insight into how we use gaming
10:38To help educate people
10:40not just artificial intelligence, but on
10:43Everything else in the science world. Well with zyrobotics
10:47I could get five-year-olds to learn how to code through gamification
10:51and so and it really is is how do you provide small nuggets based on someone's knowledge engaging with them and
10:59Bring them along scaffold them along till at the end. They're like, oh, I'm actually putting code together to do simple things for a five-year-old
11:06I think that could be done with adults as well
11:09I'd love to work with you. I have a couple of ideas which
11:12We should go offline with but but David, thank you so much
11:16And he knows that's actually one of my fixations. So you're
11:21There's a reason I like you
11:23Thank you for engaging in this hearing with us
11:27You be prepared you have we're gonna for three days. We may ask you questions
11:31I am going to ask also to do something a little bit different for the public record if you have articles
11:38That you think would be appropriate for us to try to absorb and reality
11:42We're gonna make our staff read it and then give us the highlighted copy
11:46Please send it our direction and with that