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00:00 Assalam o alikum, you are watching Kashif Abbasi with Taruq Hassan.
00:15 We are here with the new member of FIA, Mr. Aslam. How long have you been with FIA? I have been with them for 2.5 hours. After that, Mr. Gauz was with them for 1 hour. I was with them for 45 minutes. But we waited for 2.5 hours for their convenience.
00:38 What do they ask? What were the questions? The questions were about the same tweet, about the video that was played, who put it, who is it, where is it, who ordered it, what was the order, you should know everything.
00:58 I explained everything that it doesn't fall in my domain. But according to your party constitution, it is in your domain. Yes, it is in my domain, I don't handle it.
01:08 Whenever this is legal, let's say it is legal, then they see what is written. I have full awareness. I have full awareness of this thing, but the factual position is also there.
01:23 But this is a factual position, isn't it? Yes. But when it comes to legal matters… Yes, I have full awareness. You are absolutely right. I have full awareness of this thing. So we will try to sort out this issue.
01:33 They asked you, which was on TV, who runs this Twitter? Yes, they asked me. Who runs it? I don't know who runs it. There are many people. Frankly, I don't know what happens from where.
01:44 These are the people who used to be in Pakistan at some point in time. But when our grip started and the stories of torture and all that became common, then all these people went one by one.
01:55 And where are they? At what time? At what place? We don't know. There must be a point man. We don't know. There must be a point man.
02:01 There are people, 2-3-4 people, everything is there. They do it. But naming them would not really serve the purpose. The fact is that they are not here.
02:09 They have left the country. They are based in various countries. Sir, who do they take permission from when they… I don't know.
02:15 I don't know what their line of operation is. I am not aware of that. I am being very honest with you.
02:21 You said in the last program that you haven't seen the video. Have you seen it? Yes, I have seen it.
02:26 They have shown it to me today. I have seen it 2-3 times myself. And what is your view on that now?
02:31 Sir, this was discussed in the core committee. We had given its statement. It was found there too.
02:36 Some people said that some portions are necessary. Maybe I subscribe to that view.
02:41 But there were some people who wanted to own up to it. At the end of the day, we had decided in two parts.
02:51 One is that the party had owned up to it. We have mentioned it in its statement.
02:56 The second is that the so-called objectionable portions were forwarded to the legal committee to give us their input.
03:04 We had another meeting yesterday but they have not yet given their input.
03:07 So, when their input comes, we will decide on the basis of that how to proceed.
03:11 But if they tell you that you will be in a lot of trouble legally, it means that you have already been in a lot of trouble legally.
03:18 Because now you have honored the peace or put it on Twitter, so you have no way back.
03:23 This has been recorded.
03:26 Yes, it has been recorded. I am aware of that too.
03:29 And after the incident of 1971, which is not discussed much in Pakistan as you know,
03:38 what was the reason for putting up the pictures of the present army command?
03:42 The same portion which is objectionable, which I call unnecessary.
03:47 It was absolutely unnecessary. If you state your narrative, then state your narrative.
03:53 There is no need to inject venom in it. I will not do that at least.
03:57 So, it has been done. As you say, I totally agree with you.
04:02 So, the case has been made. Its formalities will be completed. It will go ahead.
04:07 It will go ahead and you are seeing the case of treason?
04:10 No, it has not been discussed. It has also been discussed frankly that what do you see common in it?
04:14 I said, I see it as common that the mandate was denied then and it is denied today.
04:20 I said, I find it common. It is a common fact.
04:23 And the second thing I said is that the people should be sensitized.
04:26 The people should know what is happening in our country so that we do not let it recur.
04:30 They should not repeat it. They should learn a lesson from it.
04:32 So, I did not get any answer on this. I am not expecting any answer from them.
04:35 But I was talking to you last time.
04:37 See, whatever books are written on Bangladesh, no one can explain the issue of Bangladesh in a book of five or seven pages.
04:42 No, it is not possible.
04:44 It is a huge volume.
04:46 It is a huge volume.
04:48 It is a huge volume.
04:50 It is not just one thing. It is a huge volume.
04:53 Absolutely.
04:54 What did Mr. Imran Khan say about this?
04:56 Sir, I have not met him yet.
04:58 You met him last week.
05:00 No, I did not meet him. I did not talk to him.
05:02 And I did not meet him after that.
05:04 If I meet him tomorrow, I will definitely try to discuss this point with him.
05:10 Mr. Imran Khan is going to the interview in the publications of the buyer.
05:15 I am pretty sure he must have seen this video.
05:18 He cannot see it.
05:20 Either the jail authorities should concede that there has been a breach of security.
05:25 Because to see it, because I also do some technical work,
05:29 so to see it, they need some implement.
05:32 Like, someone should take a mobile or a laptop.
05:36 Apart from that, they cannot see it in any way.
05:39 Even a bird cannot fly there.
05:43 Either the jail authorities should say that yes, there has been a breach and this thing has gone ahead.
05:49 Maybe they will do it.
05:51 But I can say with confidence that Mr. Khan did not see the final video.
05:57 Mr. Khan was not told what the actual product, the final product was, which was uploaded.
06:04 Did you talk to the social media team?
06:07 I did not talk to them in detail about this issue.
06:10 You did not talk to them either?
06:11 No.
06:12 Because basically I am inclined to taking policy decisions on this.
06:17 See, this should be filtered.
06:19 Whoever goes and uploads should be filtered.
06:22 Put someone.
06:23 But there should be a consultative process after which the material should be clear.
06:27 And in the party, most people think that we took the trouble of making this video and putting it.
06:34 I talked to someone on social media, they do not take you seriously.
06:38 Okay, I did not know that they do not take us seriously.
06:40 I am honest with you.
06:41 I said, who are these people?
06:42 We take our instructions not from these people.
06:45 We do not take instructions from them.
06:46 Is this right?
06:48 I have never realized this thing that we do not talk about instructions.
06:53 Since it does not fall into my domain, so I do not instruct them.
06:56 So let me tell you straight away, concede to you, that I do not know.
06:59 Because it is not in anyone's domain.
07:00 If it is not in your domain, then it is not in anyone's domain.
07:02 Now I cannot say this.
07:04 You are saying this after 10 days that you do not know that what instructions are there.
07:08 I told you the same thing that day.
07:10 But in so many days, when you start an internal conversation on an issue, which becomes a big issue,
07:16 then everyone knows who is there, who is asked, who is reported, what is the reporting line, what is the procedure.
07:23 In 8-10 days, so many people find out.
07:26 You did not even know this?
07:27 This has been discussed in the court committee, it has been discussed extensively.
07:30 So, the definitive line of operation, I have not understood how it is done, frankly.
07:37 So, all the people who were sitting there, no one asked you to own up?
07:40 No, no one owned up.
07:43 So, this means that it is going on autopilot.
07:45 I am not saying that.
07:46 Because he has no connection with Mr. Khan.
07:48 If I know that it is going on autopilot, then I will say.
07:50 I am telling you what I know.
07:53 No one is taking ownership of it, how it is happening.
07:56 So, in the next meeting, whenever I have a meeting with Mr. Khan, I will definitely raise it or someone will go.
08:01 I think most probably Mr. Gauhar is going tomorrow or the rest of the people, I will tell them to take up this.
08:06 See, the only strange thing, again, this is a little complicated issue of this video.
08:13 It is complicated because no one is saying that everything is a lie, some things have not happened.
08:18 It is being said that it is a very complex issue.
08:21 The issue is bigger than one issue.
08:23 It has elements, many other elements.
08:25 But because of this, you saw, the FIA called you and it seemed that there are indications that maybe some cases will be made.
08:32 A case of fraud will also be made.
08:34 And yet you are saying that we have talked about it and you are owning this video.
08:40 You are also saying this.
08:42 The court committee has owned it.
08:44 With a proviso.
08:46 With a proviso, as I said, that the objectionable portions have gone for legal input.
08:51 So, that portion, theoretically speaking, we did not own up because we have put a proviso with it that it will go to the legal committee and it will tell us what to do with it.
08:59 If you did not own up, then you did not disown it.
09:01 No, it is already there.
09:03 It is already established that this video has been uploaded.
09:07 You cannot deny that.
09:08 And if the legal committee tells you that everything is fine, there is no problem.
09:13 If it says that, then it is part of the fact, but it is a fact.
09:16 So let it go, you have no problem.
09:18 If the legal committee says this, then I will be honest about it.
09:24 If I have the option to go and talk to Mr. Khan directly, then I will go to Mr. Khan without wasting a minute.
09:30 Mr. Khan, this is the situation, this is the complication, so my suggestion is that you tell me, if you make other people sit, then one person.
09:37 Now the problem is that we cannot get a bill.
09:39 We have no option.
09:41 So a week has passed.
09:42 Now it is tomorrow.
09:43 Now let's see if my name is approved or not.
09:46 Sir, that is also a big problem, to be approved.
09:49 So if I go, but if the rest of the people go, I will talk to them.
09:53 I will definitely try to get this matter with them.
09:56 Talk and use some mechanism so that it goes ahead accordingly.
10:02 Did the party raise the threat of treason cases on you?
10:06 We can get into a lot of trouble in your court committee.
10:09 No, this is a case of treason.
10:11 The truth was not raised, but I think how will a case of treason be made?
10:15 I don't think there is that kind of a deal.
10:18 It is a part fact, but it is a part fact.
10:20 It is not a part fact, it is facts.
10:22 It is a part of a larger holistic issue.
10:26 Yes, the other side of the story has not been described.
10:30 And if you read any of its literature, you will see that there were many elements of it.
10:38 But now because of that, do you think there will be any pressure on your party?
10:41 Because of this issue.
10:42 There is another video that has come out today.
10:45 Yes, I have seen it.
10:47 Is that your promotional video?
10:49 No, I don't know about that video.
10:51 See, we have never had any pressure.
10:55 We have always had pressure.
10:57 We have had pressure for the last two years.
10:59 And it keeps increasing.
11:01 It keeps increasing and increasing.
11:03 We have always withstood it.
11:04 So, there is no issue of pressure that it will be less or more.
11:06 It has never been less.
11:08 It is there in your place.
11:09 So, you know, you see, the way they have put forward the case of Indut,
11:15 there was no logic in it.
11:16 The judge had already announced that he was giving judgment on the next hearing.
11:20 He did not give it and he has separated himself from the case.
11:23 So, what is this?
11:24 Obviously, there is pressure.
11:25 So, on one hand, today's newspaper…
11:26 There is a multifaceted pressure.
11:27 Today, there is a popular newspaper, its front page story is that more cases are ready.
11:35 Toshakhana 2 is ready.
11:37 We have been listening to it for a long time.
11:38 Yes, Mr. Khan will be kept in that.
11:40 Obviously, it is a case of 190 million.
11:42 You have already told this.
11:44 The problem is that what was the position today?
11:47 You had two convictions.
11:49 That too ended with the cipher.
11:52 One is left.
11:53 The rest are bails.
11:54 You are adding more cases.
11:56 Don't you think that you are adding more cases, pressure on yourself with these things?
12:00 Look, a narrative of the party is going on.
12:03 A narrative of the party is going on.
12:05 The narrative of the party is spinning because the party has been manipulated.
12:08 The party's mandate has been stolen.
12:10 So, the last thing is that emotions are incensed.
12:13 They are definitely there.
12:15 I cannot deny that.
12:16 People talk.
12:17 People talk very loudly and in a very intense way.
12:21 So, there is no such thing.
12:23 What is happening with us, everyone should see it.
12:26 You have seen a new video.
12:28 A new video has been uploaded.
12:29 There is a core commanders conference again and again.
12:31 There is a formation commanders conference.
12:33 There are announcements given again and again.
12:36 In which, in the ninth, someone will do this, someone will do that.
12:39 You said I have seen it.
12:40 Do you agree with this video?
12:42 Sir, my attitude is completely different.
12:44 That those things which can be done without avoiding, should be avoided.
12:48 And there are some things in it that can be improved by avoiding.
12:54 So, we cannot say that.
12:56 Or difficulties can be added.
12:57 Or there can be a reduction in difficulties.
12:58 There will be no reduction.
12:59 But the difficulties should not be increased.
13:00 So, at least, the difficulties should not be added.
13:01 I preach that narrative.
13:04 I follow that narrative.
13:05 So, where unnecessarily some statements are given,
13:09 which have no positive impact,
13:11 then it is appropriate that they should not be stated.
13:14 They should be tolerated without that.
13:16 But you say on one side, again, you talk about reality of politics.
13:20 Real politics, which we often write.
13:23 The reality is that your social media team is outside Pakistan.
13:27 So, those pressures which you see in Pakistan, your party handles,
13:32 this is such a big mark on your face.
13:35 This is the local pressure, which you are seeing.
13:40 Social media team is not seeing this pressure in that way.
13:43 I think you are absolutely right.
13:44 And because of this, you feel that this is a…
13:46 There is a disconnect.
13:47 There is a disconnect with the ground realities here.
13:50 And that disconnect can damage us.
13:52 It can potentially damage us.
13:53 That disconnect should not be there.
13:55 That is why I said that a mechanism should be in place for this,
13:59 so that local flavour should also come in it and it should be a reality check.
14:03 That this material, which has been devised or made,
14:07 should we use it or not, or should we use it with changes.
14:12 This is extremely important.
14:14 It is extremely important.
14:15 Sir, tell me that when Mr. Gowar will go to meet Mr. Imran Khan tomorrow,
14:21 what message are you sending him about these two videos?
14:25 The problem is that I would like to, if I go,
14:27 if I have a mechanism, I would like to play these videos and tell Mr. Khan.
14:31 We cannot do that there.
14:33 So, when we talk, we cannot present a wholesome picture.
14:41 You know, we say bits and pieces of it, that this has been said, that has been said.
14:45 Then the way of talking is so difficult, you know,
14:47 that you are virtually yelling at the top of your voice,
14:50 so that the other person can hear.
14:52 So, it is a cumbersome exercise.
14:55 It is in fact a painful exercise.
14:57 So, they should at least facilitate that we can sit and talk,
15:01 in a comfortable, conducive environment, so that the party's decisions,
15:06 If you disagree with their punishment, agree that they are, at the end of the day, prisoners.
15:11 They are prisoners.
15:12 They are prisoners.
15:13 They are prisoners.
15:14 They are prisoners.
15:15 They can get certain leverages.
15:18 That is not even leverage, sir.
15:20 For example, why do you need to put a partition?
15:23 Even if you remove the partition, you are allowed to take the phone inside.
15:26 At least, if you remove the partition, can we talk easily?
15:29 Earlier, it was not possible to talk easily.
15:31 Relatively, it was possible to talk easily.
15:33 So, your party is agreeing with everything I am saying.
15:36 Your party largely has a view that this should not happen.
15:40 I cannot say that this is the party's view.
15:42 This is your personal view.
15:43 I am talking about my own view.
15:45 That the things that can be said without being said,
15:48 and the things that can be said,
15:50 and the possibility of aggravation,
15:53 those things should not be said.
15:54 This is my view.
15:55 I state it very openly.
15:58 I own it.
15:59 But I am not talking about the party.
16:01 The party has owned it in the core committee.
16:04 But with the proviso, as I said, I state it again and again.
16:08 But sir, the proviso is irrelevant.
16:09 No, it is relevant.
16:10 The proviso will only tell you whether you will be in trouble because of this video or not.
16:15 Yes, that is fine.
16:16 After that, there will be action.
16:18 If they say that they will be in trouble, then there will be action to avoid trouble.
16:23 You will be in trouble anyway.
16:24 If they are issuing the verdict of such cases,
16:27 and you see that the verdict of the date should have been given,
16:29 the date was given,
16:30 the arguments were completed,
16:32 but to put you in trouble,
16:34 you have to issue,
16:36 you will be in trouble anyway.
16:38 I have said earlier that the trouble has not ended with us.
16:41 It has increased in the last two years.
16:42 We have felt that it is increasing.
16:44 It is increasing day by day.
16:45 And the decisions, I am happy that the courts have started making some good decisions.
16:50 But I hope it continues.
16:52 And Mr. Khan has come out.
16:55 That is important to know.
16:56 And he takes full time ownership of the party.
16:58 That is very important.
16:59 You gave a statement on the injustice.
17:02 I want you to listen to it and answer it.
17:09 Because you repeatedly criticize this.
17:12 Look, there is an attack on justice.
17:14 Yesterday, I was sitting here with you.
17:16 There is an attack on justice.
17:18 Whoever said it, yesterday or the day before yesterday.
17:20 And I also showed your video.
17:23 It is not possible that the judge you attack is right and the other is wrong.
17:29 I want to know what is the basis of what you said.
17:33 Chief Justice of Pakistan has destroyed the book of that law.
17:37 That man cannot be the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
17:41 He should leave this post.
17:43 The cases that Chief Justice of Pakistan has handled,
17:47 what you are witnessing right now is judicial surrender.
17:51 Jishri is selling his independence in front of the executive.
17:56 Our request to the Supreme Court is pending.
17:59 Chief Justice of Pakistan should surrender.
18:02 This is a fact.
18:05 When I talked about surrender,
18:07 when the six judges wrote a letter,
18:10 a judicial convention should have been called.
18:13 Instead of calling it, the Chief Justice handed over the matter to the executive,
18:17 which was implicated in that letter.
18:20 That is when I said that surrender was done before the executive.
18:23 There is a situation, there is a perspective,
18:27 and that is when we talk.
18:29 Sir, there is a perspective, but you say that Imran Khan's cases should not be heard.
18:33 I say that even today.
18:35 Is this your party position?
18:36 Absolutely not.
18:37 Is it your position or the party's position?
18:39 No, the bulk of the party believes that they should not be heard.
18:42 There are some of our lawyers who do not want to hear,
18:45 because they say that the cases are pending, so let them go.
18:48 They have a very logical position.
18:52 But the way the cases have been decided,
18:57 you saw what happened yesterday,
18:59 it is not being live-streamed.
19:01 Yesterday, you saw the arguments that were happening.
19:04 Atar Minna La's opinion came today,
19:09 I think there are seven or eight pages,
19:12 read the first page.
19:14 Imran Khan's live, but it was a 4-1 decision.
19:16 Mind-boggling.
19:17 He said that there is no legal precedent for Imran Khan's live.
19:20 It is not that people will come and request you to give them a live.
19:25 This is their basic right.
19:27 The constitution has protected it.
19:29 So why don't you live-stream it?
19:31 So the bias is being shown.
19:33 That's what I'm talking about.
19:35 We are not targeting any individual here,
19:37 but if an individual does something or makes a decision
19:40 that smells of bias,
19:42 then it is necessary that as the party spokesperson,
19:45 I will have to comment on that.
19:47 Where are you standing on the subject of negotiations?
19:51 With whom are you negotiating?
19:53 You must be negotiating with the government, right?
19:55 Or with the army?
19:56 Today, R.A. Falvi has given a statement,
19:58 I want you to listen to it.
19:59 If I go to talk about a house,
20:01 who will I talk to?
20:02 I will look for the owner of the house.
20:04 I will talk to the person who lives in the house.
20:06 I will not talk to the owner of the cart.
20:08 I will not talk to the person who is standing outside.
20:10 These people in Form 45,
20:11 these people in 47,
20:12 they are not even cart owners.
20:14 If you allow me to take a break on this statement,
20:17 after the break, I will take your comment on this.
20:19 Let's take a break, viewers,
20:20 and come back.
20:21 Welcome back, viewers.
20:25 Former President R.A. Falvi said that he wants to talk to the owner of the house.
20:28 You want to talk to the army,
20:30 you want to talk to the establishment,
20:32 you don't want to talk to other politicians.
20:34 If you want to solve the problems of the country,
20:36 then you will have to talk to those who have the power.
20:38 Those who did not have the power,
20:40 who are just mummies, dummies,
20:42 what will you get by talking to them?
20:44 Ultimately, if you talk to them,
20:46 they also have to go there.
20:48 So, you should directly talk to them,
20:50 sit and see whether we can come to the constitutional domain
20:52 and play our role or not.
20:54 This is the only thing you are going to do.
20:56 Nothing else has come.
20:58 But if you agree with the political parties on this,
21:00 you remember the Charter of Democracy was passed in 2004.
21:02 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:04 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:06 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:08 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:10 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:12 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:14 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:16 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:18 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:20 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:22 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:24 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:26 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:28 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:30 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:32 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:34 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:36 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:38 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:40 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:42 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:44 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:46 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:48 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:50 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:52 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
21:54 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
21:56 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
21:58 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:00 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:02 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:04 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:06 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:08 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:10 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:12 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:14 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:16 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:18 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:20 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:22 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:24 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:26 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:28 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:30 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:32 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:34 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:36 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:38 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:40 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:42 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:44 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:46 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:48 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:50 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:52 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
22:54 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
22:56 If you agree with all the political parties on this,
22:58 that now the establishment should not have any role in Pakistani politics,
23:00 then you will have to go to the Constitutional Domain.
23:02 I have given you access to Nadra.
23:04 I will tell you who he was in 60 minutes.
23:06 I have given you access to Nadra.
23:08 I will tell you who he was in 60 minutes.
23:10 He has everything.
23:12 He has modern technology.
23:14 When Mr. Tariq used to work, he has developed it a lot.
23:16 A lot.
23:18 A lot.
23:20 A lot can be done through geofencing.
23:22 A lot can be done.
23:24 A lot can be done through geofencing.
23:26 A lot can be done through geofencing.
23:28 A lot can be done through geofencing.
23:30 I told you that they will be exposed if they do not agree.
23:32 I told you that they will be exposed if they do not agree.
23:34 What will happen?
23:36 How will the conversation be?
23:38 What will be the framework?
23:40 How should the result be seen?
23:42 The conversation should be at this one point.
23:44 The conversation should be at this one point.
23:46 Because as long as the shoulders are meeting,
23:48 these conditions will remain in Pakistan.
23:50 Otherwise, you do not want to do it.
23:52 Otherwise, you do not want to do it.
23:54 It is a position of the party.
23:56 But we are engaged with all the political parties.
23:58 But we are engaged with all the political parties.
24:00 How far will you reach with Maulana?
24:02 It is very far.
24:04 It will be very close.
24:06 Both will be together?
24:08 Yes.
24:10 Definitely.
24:12 Other parties are also coming.
24:14 Good news in the offing.
24:16 Which other party?
24:18 Jamaat-e-Islami?
24:20 Let us see which party comes.
24:22 They are engaged with all.
24:24 Let us see what to do.
24:26 Maulana is here.
24:28 Are they going to start the movement?
24:30 What do you mean?
24:32 Sir, our movement has stopped.
24:34 It should have started a month or two ago.
24:36 We are not getting anywhere.
24:38 They have refused in Karachi.
24:40 DC has refused.
24:42 The court has given an order.
24:44 They said that we cannot give.
24:46 They have put so many things together.
24:48 This situation is everywhere.
24:50 Our conventions have started.
24:52 For which we are not taking permission from them.
24:54 We are endorsing them.
24:56 They have started.
24:58 The world is coming.
25:00 When we try to force them.
25:02 Maulana has done it.
25:04 He has not taken permission.
25:06 He has done it.
25:08 If we do it, then we will be accused of treason.
25:10 If we do it, then our people will be arrested.
25:12 No one has done it there.
25:14 I am very happy that they are doing Jalsa.
25:16 I am not protesting.
25:18 But the point is this.
25:20 You see the discriminatory behavior.
25:22 If 10 people come out,
25:24 20 people come out, then they get up.
25:26 They get caught.
25:28 Sir, I heard a joke.
25:30 There is a board inside.
25:32 It is not allowed to go out.
25:34 A guard is standing outside.
25:36 Every person is going inside.
25:38 A person like me goes inside.
25:40 He said no.
25:42 He said so many people were going.
25:44 He did not ask.
25:46 We are very close to doing that.
25:48 I am telling you.
25:50 We have to do Jalsa.
25:52 If we do not give permission,
25:54 then we will be accused of treason.
25:56 But you are waiting for permission.
25:58 And it is up to the DC to decide
26:00 whether you will do Jalsa or not.
26:02 This is the system of the government.
26:04 You apply to the DC.
26:06 He decides.
26:08 He is a custodian.
26:10 He decides.
26:12 He puts his input.
26:14 He says this is not in the plan.
26:16 He says that this will be treason.
26:18 You cannot do this.
26:20 That is the end of the system.
26:22 The orders of the court are being violated.
26:24 They are being attempted.
26:26 You are going towards an agitation politics.
26:28 Not really agitation.
26:30 It is peaceful.
26:32 It is a peaceful protest.
26:34 So what is Mr. Bolanar doing?
26:36 He is doing exactly the same.
26:38 So what?
26:40 I am saying that you are going towards that.
26:42 But the obstacles that are in front of you.
26:44 What do you do when you hear these obstacles?
26:46 You are not allowed to do Jalsa.
26:48 You have problems with the court.
26:50 All these problems.
26:52 What is the party thinking?
26:54 If this does not happen,
26:56 what will we do?
26:58 We have to protest.
27:00 The decision has been made.
27:02 We do not want to be hanged.
27:04 We are going through the legal process.
27:06 We have reached the courts.
27:08 All the Jalsas of the cities
27:10 are being held.
27:12 We are going through the legal process.
27:14 All the Jalsas are being held
27:16 in the respective high courts.
27:18 Some high courts have issued
27:20 an order.
27:22 They have violated it
27:24 with the deputy commissioner.
27:26 You will see what the court does.
27:28 They have so much power.
27:30 But we have to do Jalsas.
27:32 If you are not allowed,
27:34 we will still do it.
27:36 We will try our best
27:38 to do it.
27:40 We are having Jalsas.
27:42 We are having Jalsas.
27:44 But there are very few Jalsas.
27:46 Very few.
27:48 They will be released.
27:50 There will be many Jalsas in KP.
27:52 We will have a meeting with
27:54 Swat.
27:56 We will have Jalsas.
27:58 We will have Jalsas.
28:00 We will do whatever we can.
28:02 What is your one line
28:04 for Jalsa?
28:06 Will you make the government fall?
28:08 Will you run a movement
28:10 for Jalsa?
28:12 What will be the slogan?
28:14 You have the slogan.
28:16 Restoration of the Constitution.
28:18 Everything else flows with it.
28:20 Rule of law flows with it.
28:22 Democracy flows with it.
28:24 When you accept the ascendancy of the constitution,
28:26 that we have to abide by it,
28:28 we will have democracy,
28:30 human rights will be right,
28:32 rule of law will be right,
28:34 everything will be right.
28:36 Basically, struggle is focused on
28:38 the Constitution.
28:40 I know it's a very powerful line
28:42 which we use every day.
28:44 This country should run according to the constitution.
28:46 There is no other way.
28:48 But,
28:50 what are the tangibles?
28:52 Tangibles are that
28:54 the government should fall,
28:56 or
28:58 return seats.
29:00 You will be successful if you return seats.
29:02 The action on the constitution
29:04 should run according to the constitution.
29:06 What are the lines
29:08 that you will be successful?
29:10 We have reached the tribunals
29:12 regarding our seats.
29:14 46, 47, 48
29:16 N.A.
29:18 Virtually they had lost.
29:20 After that, they have
29:22 lost their trust in the tribunals.
29:24 Other than this,
29:26 tribunals are listening to the cases.
29:28 Let's see what happens.
29:30 Tribunals have a problem with the constitution.
29:32 The Chief Justice of Lahore High Court
29:34 is insisting that the tribunals should run.
29:36 The day the tribunals are constituted,
29:38 the hearing will start.
29:40 We will win.
29:42 The two-sided sword of the election commission
29:44 has been given to Pakistan.
29:46 Now, judges
29:48 can retire from the High Court.
29:50 That is not accepted.
29:52 Who is not accepting?
29:54 The law has been made through the ordinance.
29:56 That has been challenged.
29:58 It is a law until the decision is made.
30:00 That has been challenged.
30:02 Let's see what happens.
30:04 We will see if it is passed in a few days.
30:06 It will be passed,
30:08 but because it is a case of the law.
30:10 It is not possible that the ordinance
30:12 is seen by the court
30:14 and that this ordinance is right or not.
30:16 Either the ordinance is the right of a government
30:18 and a president or not.
30:20 If it is right, then...
30:22 The government has pitted itself
30:24 against the judiciary.
30:26 This is a special case.
30:28 It should never be forgotten.
30:30 I don't think this ordinance
30:32 can be implemented.
30:34 This is my personal opinion.
30:36 Sir, if they need it,
30:38 they will make it happen in a few days.
30:40 They will make it happen.
30:42 Yesterday, a request was made
30:44 to the election commission.
30:46 Three Islamabad MNAs went.
30:48 They said that it is being unfair to us.
30:50 They fixed it for the hearing.
30:52 The dice is loaded against us.
30:54 There is no doubt about it.
30:56 I am saying that
30:58 the pressure is increasing.
31:00 You are saying that it will not happen.
31:02 I did not say that.
31:04 When the dice is against you,
31:06 then everything will be fine.
31:08 I have highlighted a specific
31:10 constituent that
31:12 the fight will be between
31:14 the executive and the judiciary.
31:16 This is a dangerous fight.
31:18 This should not be fought.
31:20 The executive's different organs
31:22 have also come at loggerheads.
31:24 There is no PTI's intervention in this issue.
31:26 This is their own doing.
31:28 I hope there is a good way out of this.
31:30 Thank you very much for talking to us.
31:32 Thank you.
31:34 You heard Mr. Rahul Fasan's speech.
31:36 Now let us talk to Mr. Shoaib Shahid.
31:38 There were three seats.
31:40 He was listening to the
31:42 tribunal case of Islamabad.
31:44 It seemed that the decision
31:46 against the expectation
31:48 would be made soon.
31:50 But the election commission
31:52 did not give a clear answer.
31:54 The order was passed by the election commission
31:56 and all three MNAs went to Islamabad.
31:58 They said that there is a bias against them.
32:00 There were requests
32:02 that were made in the tribunal.
32:04 Let us know the reality of this.
32:06 Mr. Shoaib Shahid,
32:08 Assalam-o-Alaikum.
32:10 Wa-alaikum-salam, Mr. Kashyap.
32:12 Sir, this is the request
32:14 that was made to the election commission.
32:16 You saw that the election commission
32:18 has issued a notice.
32:20 They have admitted the petition.
32:22 They say that your case is a time bar.
32:24 The thing is
32:26 whether it is a time bar or not.
32:28 First of all, it is not a time bar.
32:30 We have to go after the notification.
32:32 We went on the 36th day of the notification.
32:34 We have time of 45 days.
32:36 We had to go within 45 days.
32:38 I went on the 36th day.
32:40 So, whether it is a time bar or not,
32:42 the tribunal has to decide.
32:44 When we went to the High Court
32:46 to suspend the notification of
32:48 Tariq Chaudhry,
32:50 he himself said that
32:52 we should go to the tribunal.
32:54 You should go to the tribunal
32:56 and take all his shows.
32:58 When we went to the tribunal,
33:00 he asked three questions.
33:02 Number one, you bring your answer.
33:04 Number two, with that answer
33:06 you give an affidavit
33:08 that this form 45 is correct for you
33:10 and you should bring that form 45.
33:12 Simple.
33:14 That has to be decided in six months.
33:16 Today, it has been four months
33:18 and they have been given time
33:20 to decide.
33:22 They will give an answer
33:24 within seven days.
33:26 If they don't,
33:28 they will be fined Rs. 1 lakh
33:30 and their rights will be striked down.
33:32 But, instead of giving an answer,
33:34 they have to decide.
33:36 Instead of giving an answer,
33:38 they have to decide.
33:40 Our polling agency has not taken
33:42 the form 45.
33:44 Mr. Shain, can you hear me?
33:46 Yes, I can.
33:48 They have called you here.
33:50 You have a history with them.
33:52 You have a history of their decisions.
33:54 They have taken a mark from you.
33:56 They have insulted you.
33:58 The election commission has insulted you.
34:00 These three seats
34:02 seem to be reaching
34:04 their logical conclusion very quickly.
34:06 What does your gut say?
34:08 What is your feeling
34:10 that the election commission
34:12 will give a verdict against you?
34:14 Mr. Kashir, the first thing is
34:16 that the insult is that
34:18 the criminal has committed
34:20 three crimes in my case.
34:22 Number one, Tariq Fazal Chaudhry,
34:24 who is a puppet M.N.A.
34:26 Number two, the returning officer
34:28 who has committed this crime.
34:30 He was tampering in form 45
34:32 and along with form 47,
34:34 along with Tariq Fazal,
34:36 and on the third number,
34:38 the election commission of Pakistan.
34:40 Now, the election commission,
34:42 the criminal in my case,
34:44 has repeatedly repeatedly
34:46 in the court and
34:48 has written in it that
34:50 you answer this and the election commission
34:52 has not yet given any answer.
34:54 The election commission has notified
34:56 me, I have given it to you,
34:58 I will tell you.
35:00 I have given it to you on 11th February
35:02 that the consolidation process is suspended.
35:04 That is, you do not have to
35:06 count the votes.
35:08 Number two, the returning officer
35:10 has written the original order
35:12 in compliance with the order of the election commission
35:14 process of consolidation is postponed.
35:16 He notified me on 11th.
35:18 And on 12th,
35:20 he also backdated it later, but leave it.
35:22 He has given me a certified copy
35:24 that on 12th, we issued
35:26 form 48 and 49.
35:28 That is, we consolidated on 12th
35:30 and notified earlier.
35:32 And this is one ground sufficient
35:34 for acceptance of the election petition.
35:36 This time,
35:38 it is written in order of 2-5,
35:40 then it is said to the order of 25
35:42 that you comply with it.
35:44 Then it is said to 29-5.
35:46 Instead of answering this,
35:48 instead of answering,
35:50 three criminals,
35:52 that is, three who are the culprits of Shariah,
35:54 they will be answered in court.
35:56 This is your case,
35:58 but what will happen now?
36:00 It will happen that the case will be heard.
36:02 Tariq Fazal Chaudhary
36:04 was called with a lawyer.
36:06 If it happens, you will be issued a notice.
36:08 We have been issued a notice.
36:10 We have been issued a notice.
36:12 We have been issued a notice yesterday.
36:14 And tomorrow morning,
36:16 we have filed a petition.
36:18 We have been sitting all day
36:20 with Chief Justice Ahmad Haikur.
36:22 He has fixed our case today.
36:24 He has fixed it for tomorrow morning.
36:26 So now at 9 am,
36:28 our case, our petition is pending.
36:30 It will be filed.
36:32 And after that,
36:34 we will present our case.
36:36 And for that purpose,
36:38 we have no fear.
36:40 But after the new ordinance,
36:42 which can be considered as a retired case,
36:44 the Election Commission of Pakistan
36:46 has been weaponized.
36:48 We have challenged the Election Commission
36:50 and this ordinance.
36:52 The law is still there.
36:54 This is the law.
36:56 If the law is wrong in front of you,
36:58 then you cannot take its support.
37:00 That is why we have challenged
37:02 its varies.
37:04 When a judge of the High Court
37:06 has taken cognizance
37:08 of the election as a tribunal
37:10 without any plausible reasons,
37:12 he cannot be separated from it.
37:14 What is the reason?
37:16 You have a petition in front of you.
37:18 He is being hasty.
37:20 Unnecessary haste.
37:22 Unnecessary haste.
37:24 Unnecessary haste.
37:26 The Election Act says
37:28 that we will give an answer in 7 days.
37:30 And if we don't,
37:32 then we can get a fine of Rs. 1 lakh
37:34 and the right of defence
37:36 can be strike down.
37:38 But the court still gave them time.
37:40 They gave time to 2nd of August,
37:42 then to 20th of August,
37:44 then to 29th of August.
37:46 You are right.
37:48 You will go to the Timelines and tell us tomorrow.
37:50 But I feel that
37:52 the Election Commission
37:54 has come to the field.
37:56 Let's take a break.