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00:00 Muneeb Bhai, you are a political and legal background.
00:04 How serious do you see this issue?
00:07 We have the remarks of the Prime Minister in front of us.
00:09 And a request goes to the Lahore High Court.
00:11 And it is approved for hearing in the Eclipse.
00:14 Do you think this could be a serious issue for the Prime Minister?
00:17 Thank you very much, Mr. Banami.
00:21 The request is that what the Prime Minister has said,
00:25 it is an uncalled for statement.
00:30 If the Prime Minister says this,
00:32 then it cannot be said that it is a good thing.
00:36 An executive head of the country is saying that there are black sheep in our country's judiciary.
00:41 The exact reference that the Attorney General was giving,
00:44 he is a very articulated person.
00:46 So naturally he said that he has no relation with the present.
00:48 He has a relationship with the judges of the past.
00:50 But as rightly pointed out,
00:52 Mr. Imran Khan has a relationship with the present judges.
00:59 You can say that there was a distinct division in the Supreme Court of Mr. Bandyal.
01:04 By the way, that division still exists.
01:06 But at that time, there was a system and it was the impression of some of the judges
01:12 that they used to conduct themselves more as judges and as lawyers.
01:18 Anyway, this request to come and say that the accused of insulting the court in the Lahore High Court are the Prime Minister,
01:26 is fine.
01:27 In my opinion, it is a non-starter.
01:29 It has no value.
01:31 If the Honorable Chief Justice of Pakistan had taken notice of this,
01:34 or if four or five judges had written to the Chief Justice in the court,
01:39 they did not particularize this,
01:41 but it is a big insult that they have written to our country's court,
01:46 which obviously these judges are a part of.
01:48 They are saying that there are black sheep in them.
01:50 Mr. Atar Vinayala's statement that there are no black sheep,
01:53 if there are, then bring a reference.
01:55 That basically means that if you have something, then tell us.
01:58 Otherwise, the court itself is not issuing a notice of contempt or a notice of justification to the Chief Justice.
02:04 So, fine, this small matter will continue,
02:06 but I will tell you one thing, Mr. Badami,
02:08 before I end this argument.
02:11 That Mr. Shahbaz Sharif, as a journalist,
02:14 as much as I know him, obviously we all know him as a politician,
02:17 he picks his fights very carefully.
02:22 You must have seen him fighting less than others.
02:26 He is very particular about, he is very meticulous about picking up his wars.
02:31 So, in the fight that he has chosen, he knows that he stands his ground.
02:36 Obviously, he has a support of the Muktadara of Pakistan, and the establishment as well.
02:41 So, obviously, he has spoken as an executive head in that arena.
02:46 Off the record, there are many things that he has as a politician,
02:50 as a Prime Minister, maybe he has emotions,
02:52 but here he has chosen this fight or this disagreement very carefully.
02:58 He is absolutely right.
02:59 I am absolutely sure that Mr. Shahbaz Sharif is not one of those who,
03:02 when it comes to criticism, just says it in such emotions,
03:05 and especially he knows that in terms of Adria,
03:07 what can be the seriousness of a minister talking about Pakistan,
03:11 so he has seen a certain environment,
03:14 or maybe the institutions are there,
03:16 he has seen a lot, that is why he has gone so far, I also feel so.
03:19 So, Athar Kazmi, this is fine,
03:21 this is the opinion of Mr. Munir, as a lawyer,
03:25 that maybe this matter should not go so far,
03:26 that we say, tomorrow, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif will be released,
03:28 that you have just sentenced him.
03:29 But this is not a secret,
03:31 that obviously, right now, he is very far from an ideal relationship,
03:34 Adria and Muktadara, and obviously, the one we are talking about.
03:37 And obviously, it seems that this tension is increasing further,
03:40 if you have a different opinion, then tell us,
03:42 otherwise it seems that this tension will increase further.
03:44 So, what can be the point of this,
03:46 where will it reach as it increases, Mr. Kazmi?
03:49 Look, it is just the beginning, what happens next?
03:53 The beginning is what?
03:55 What happens next, what happens next?
03:57 What happens next?
03:58 I hope that nothing like this will happen.
04:01 The problem is that, look,
04:02 today, a minister like Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
04:04 a minister of the Dima Mizaj,
04:06 why is he talking against Adria?
04:07 This is a matter of understanding.
04:10 This is the same Adria, Mr. Waseem Badami,
04:13 which until a few months ago,
04:15 until before the election,
04:16 every decision of Adria,
04:18 as it was humiliated,
04:20 as it was made fun of,
04:21 when Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
04:22 last time he was the minister,
04:24 the Supreme Court of the country said that
04:25 on May 14, there will be elections,
04:27 you have to get the elections done,
04:28 so the people of his cabinet,
04:29 sat on TV and said,
04:31 you get the elections done.
04:32 If you can get it done, then you get it done.
04:35 These are the same high courts,
04:36 whose Moses judge used to say,
04:37 what can we do,
04:38 we will give you bail,
04:40 you will go out,
04:40 the government will catch you again.
04:42 You can do a press conference.
04:44 At that time,
04:44 they were seeing a problem in Adria.
04:46 So today, if Mr. Shahbaz is going to this extent,
04:48 a man like Mr. Shahbaz,
04:49 then why is he going?
04:50 At the same time, they also know that,
04:51 there is a match ahead.
04:52 They know that Adria will not make decisions
04:57 to please my government,
04:58 it will make its decisions,
05:00 will make it act.
05:01 Whether it is a lower judiciary,
05:02 high courts or the Supreme Court.
05:04 So this is the issue.
05:05 If someone tells Adria,
05:08 this decision is such,
05:09 which is against the law and the constitution,
05:11 then you must criticize it.
05:13 You can criticize the decisions.
05:15 Like the decision on 13th January,
05:17 like the sign of the flag was taken,
05:19 Qazi Faiz Issa Sahib and other people
05:20 in the bench gave that decision.
05:22 It is a public property,
05:23 everyone criticizes it.
05:24 In fact, the world also criticizes it.
05:27 It is not a good democratic decision.
05:29 No, no, Qazi Sahib,
05:31 you tell me,
05:32 then I will ask this question to Malik Sahib
05:33 and Amir Sahib as well,
05:34 that this tension,
05:36 as it increases,
05:37 what is the end point of this?
05:39 None of us will want it to happen.
05:41 That can be our wish.
05:42 But what is the analysis,
05:43 how far can this matter go?
05:45 No, I don't think it will go anywhere
05:47 till October.
05:48 I don't think any matter will go anywhere
05:49 till October or November.
05:50 It will go on like this?
05:51 It will go on like this.
05:52 Yes.
05:53 Okay, Muneeb Sahib,
05:54 this year or next year?
05:56 Tell us this, Qazi Sahib.
05:58 Both are important,
06:00 this year and next year.
06:02 Yes,
06:03 earlier we used to call September as September,
06:05 now October and November have become very common
06:06 in our history,
06:07 despite the fact that November is always there.
06:09 Now October as well.
06:10 Malik Sahib,
06:11 thank you very much for your time, sir.
06:12 I am really grateful.
06:13 What is your opinion,
06:15 obviously, it is not a secret
06:16 that there is a tension between Adliya and Muktadara
06:18 that is increasing with each passing day.
06:20 So, what is the end point of this?
06:25 Look, first of all,
06:26 you were talking about
06:27 Mr. Nawaz Sharif's statement.
06:29 Yes, yes.
06:30 Abbasim,
06:31 Mr. Shahbaz Sharif and Mr. Nawaz Sharif
06:33 are two different personalities.
06:34 Yes.
06:35 Mr. Nawaz Sharif sometimes
06:36 forgets about his emotions
06:38 or he gets excited,
06:39 carried away by the moment.
06:41 Not very much,
06:41 sometimes.
06:42 But Mr. Shahbaz is a very calculated
06:45 person.
06:46 Yes.
06:47 The sentences he had that day,
06:50 that black sheep and all of this,
06:52 I think they were very smart
06:53 and they said it with a lot of thought.
06:55 Yes.
06:56 These were not the words of the heat of the moment.
06:58 Yes, yes.
06:59 And there was a clear pattern to this.
07:03 Before that, we saw
07:04 the speeches that took place
07:05 in the parliament and senate.
07:07 There is a complete pattern
07:09 where some parts of the judiciary
07:13 are opposing the government,
07:14 some are not, and vice versa.
07:16 Like if you see,
07:17 the government likes the Chief Justice,
07:19 but the Supreme Court does not like many judges,
07:21 including Mr. Manila and others.
07:24 Similarly, the government likes the Chief Justice,
07:26 the Supreme Court,
07:27 but the judges do not like him.
07:29 And the PTR and others
07:30 have exactly the same
07:31 reversal in everything.
07:33 The tiff that is going on,
07:35 and the judiciary is increasing it even more,
07:39 like the way you read today,
07:42 the communique,
07:44 the formation commandment.
07:45 Yes, yes, we read and read
07:46 the summary of it before you went.
07:49 Yes.
07:50 Now, in that,
07:51 the language used in the ninth may
07:53 is very harsh.
07:54 Yes.
07:54 Tell me one thing,
07:55 the ninth may incident in this country,
07:58 and the aftermath of it,
08:00 and all the politics,
08:02 the Supreme Court's decision
08:03 is very important in that.
08:04 What happens in the ninth may?
08:06 This should be put aside.
08:08 It is beyond my understanding
08:09 why the Supreme Court
08:10 is hanging it.
08:12 Every time,
08:13 the army's problem is that
08:15 they decide in the ninth may,
08:16 either or,
08:17 the Supreme Court is also
08:19 increasing it even more,
08:21 and the consequences of this,
08:23 the consequences of this are not
08:25 legal complications,
08:27 because of this,
08:29 there is a lot of harshness
08:31 and polarization in politics.
08:33 Brother, you decide
08:35 whether the civilian court will go or not,
08:37 whether the military courts can go or not.
08:39 At least, let's move on.
08:41 I still don't understand
08:43 why the Supreme Court is hanging
08:45 the case of top priority.
08:47 There is a collision ahead.
08:49 Look, what was in the communique today?
08:51 We want transparent,
08:53 speedy justice.
08:55 Without a transparent judicial process,
08:57 the country will be in the hands of the
08:59 conspirators of the ninth may.
09:01 Not only the people of the ninth may
09:03 have to give a message,
09:05 the court also has to give a message.
09:07 In the past, there were three centers of power,
09:09 government, army and the judiciary.
09:11 We have always seen that
09:13 when two are on one side,
09:15 the other has to rethink
09:17 its position and everything.
09:19 This time, all three have stood up
09:21 with great pride.
09:23 I understand the government.
09:25 The government is very happy that
09:27 as long as the fight with the
09:29 establishment of the courts continues,
09:31 as long as Imran Khan's fight
09:33 with the establishment continues,
09:35 they will benefit.
09:37 Because both their fights have
09:39 been in the necks of someone else.
09:41 So they will not do anything
09:43 because if tension comes down
09:45 and Imran Khan benefits more
09:47 and I am talking about the bailout
09:49 from the freedom of expression.
09:51 So the government is at a loss.
09:53 The government is at a great loss.
09:55 They cannot afford to come out.
09:57 So the real thing has to be decided
09:59 that how the judiciary
10:01 and the establishment
10:03 pull back.
10:05 This can happen.
10:07 This is not impossible.
10:09 For example, if today the army chief
10:11 meets the chief justice
10:13 and all the four chief justices
10:15 of the high courts and they say
10:17 that we will open an inquiry
10:19 to see who has been misbehaving
10:21 and who has been so intrusive.
10:23 Everyone will get face-saving.
10:25 But you see that happening.
10:27 I will move forward and talk.